Hot potato inside Catholicism vs Judaism vs Christianity vs Islam
I picked these 4 because they all believe in the same God.
or so they say.
this is not to start a fight.
i just see so many different opinions here and i just want to get it all straight and thought all the 4 who all call upon the same God could state what they believe and why.
i am not talking about any but the 4 listed.
let's be respectful here.
OK now who wants to go first?
no i did not mean it like that.
i mean i could have picked any name first.
Islam or Judaism could have been first too.
sorry if it was taken like that....honestly.
they say they all do, i am just wondering if they believe that.Exactly. Christianity is a broad church (literally) which includes RC, Greek Orthodox, Anglican, Presbyterian etc, etc.
I raised the question because I've seen a lot of 'born again' types who insist that RC is not Christian. But I don't think the Pope would like that
You didn't start this thread to start a fight? Sure you didn't Shaul. And I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida.
You started this thread then called Judah's Daughter in from that other thread to get the fight on.Mike i saw you and her and 3 others going around and around in another thread about stuff that was way of the topic of the thread so i just made one to facilitate what was already being discussed man.
This and other weak arguments for a god are outmoded and accounted for in and across many sciences and only those who are ignorant by choice could think otherwise!
There is no proof at all for a god. No evidence is required, there is no proof of god, and don't accuse me of being as ignorant as you are!
I would have thought Allah is upset with this one anyway. This is Usmanali's alter ego - he should be hiding away grovelling instead of accusing people of being ignorant for not accepting his fairy tale just because of the 100% lack of evidence.
These guys are so funny. They claim something with absolutely no evidence is true and then refuse to listen to the actual proof that their god does not exist ....... Talk about ignorant.I have a question. Why those fanatical religious atheists pushing through our throat their beliefs?
Hi Mark!
The Vedas which are the oldest spiritual texts means science.Spirituality and science were fused at that time and will come together again is what I believe.
Usmanali,
You have not proven a damn thing.
Sorry you need to resort to lying in order to justify your irrational beliefs. Your god does not exist. There is no proof. Sorry dude. You are another one who needs a decent dictionary.
Glad to see you now think the universe started with a big bang and then we evolved rather than being created.
@ Mohit - I see you are finally understanding what most adherents to these religions actually believe. And when they say "god," it is not quite the same as when you use the word.
Brahma Shutra
Thats the name of a spiritual text like the Quran.
Its a book on Brahma or Allah or God.
Brahmin --knower of Brahma,Allah, Jevovah.
Its clear neither of you belong to this category because no one who knows god fights over one of his many names.Get to know god first then preach on him.
I'm just going to get a birds eye view of the fireworks, thanks.
Nice q by the way"fireworks" funny
- Leta Sposted 14 years ago
0In other words your a zealot. Nothing new here!
i did not meant it as you take it.
just on a fact gathering mission here to see what they all believe.
i do not want to fight about it.
peace
what is an elyewon?I don't think you're going to agree with me
but go ahead !
Be my guest !
I'm not giving you anything. I don't have to discuss or prove anything. You can go on copying and pasting . Have a nice week end !
he gets serious when having a tantrum
he reminds me of a spoiled little child
The kind you either love or h***(love)...
Nothing more interesting to do ?.Is this break time ?go and resume your copying and pasting
come now son, when we need your permission we will ask for it and then ignore you.
- Onusonusposted 14 years ago0
Ah the love continues, I sure can't waith for tomorrows sermon on Jesus "The brother of Satan" because they howl it from the pulpit on a weekly basis.
But lets not hide behind the guise of monotheism, otherwise there would be no need for a distinction between father and son.Yes there was absolutely no sarcasm there at all....
- Onusonusposted 14 years ago0
well, when you find the time to answer logical questions then please return to the topic sir.
and thanks for serving our country.
- Onusonusposted 14 years ago0
I love this - true believers! - Are you listening, Mike? Here's a guy who doesn't think you're a Christian
i like The Lord's "replacement"...man named Shaul.
in seriousness though, many apostles were picked, we just have the names of many of them and some wrote letters.if you were talking to me then i was not talking about any false apostles, (that's why i said "them" meaning the true) the false existed back then too.
false prophets and apostles have always been around no doubt.
they are easy to pick off if one has discernment of spirits too.
Strange, I'd never made that connection (with denominator) before. Good thought, thanks
It seems Luther didn't believe Jesus either when He said He would send His Holy Spirit to guide the Church. That is why 2 Thessalonians 2:14 reads "Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle."
Besides placing the 7 books and part of Daniel and part of Esther from the Old Testament in the back of his Bible unnumbered Luther also placed Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation apart at the end of his New Testament in 1522 (Source). These four New Testament books were eventually placed back in the proper order 80 years later but the Old Testament books were completely removed around 1825 by the English Bible College.
From the Jewish Virtual Library we read this about the Tanakh, "These books were included in the Jewish canon by the Talmudic sages at Yavneh around the end of the first century CE" We also see that since the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran in 1947 "They have been a major focus of scholarly and general interest for the last half-century. Among the Dead Sea Scrolls were a number of manuscripts of the Apocrypha ..." "mostly in Hebrew, with a lesser number in Aramaic and even fewer in Greek."
"Coins at Qumran show people lived there from about 135 B.C. to the Roman destruction in 68 A.D." and "God promised to preserve His word in Isaiah 59:21; 40:8; Psalm 119:89, and 1 Peter 1:23-25." are both quotes from this Overview of the Dead Sea Scrolls. So it looks like the manuscripts found at Qumran predate the Jewish canon by the Talmudic sages.
The Septuagint or simply "LXX" which includes the Apocrypha were translated from Hebrew to Greek in stages between the 3rd and 1st centuries BC in Alexandria. "The early Christian Church used the Greek texts since Greek was a lingua franca of the Roman Empire at the time, and the language of the Church. In addition the Church Fathers tended to accept Philo's account of the LXX's miraculous and inspired origin. Furthermore, the New Testament writers, when citing the Jewish scriptures or when quoting Jesus doing so, freely used the Greek translation, implying that the Apostles and their followers considered it reliable."
So the Septuagint (LXX) also predates the Jewish canon by the Talmudic sages. And so it looks like Luther would have been wise to follow traditions like the Bible says.
I guess that is why this online version of the King James Bible includes the Apocrypha or better known to Catholics as the Deuterocanonical books.
The Septuagint was translated into the Latin Vulgate in the 5th-century by Jerome. The English College at Rheims and Douay, France translated the Latin Vulgate into English between 1582 and 1609, which is called the Douay-Rheims Bible. For all of the above reasons I do not think an "improved" English version of the Bible can be found, whether published by Protestants or Catholics.
But all this bickering is not what Christians are supposed to do. As the Bible says we are to be one body in Christ. How do we put the pieces back together?
One thing I know for sure if we are at all concerned about our salvation is that we are to receive the Holy Eucharist as Jesus Christ mentioned in John 6:54-55 (verses 53-54 in the KJB).
John 6:54-55 "Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day."
The Holy Eucharist has been offered daily for nearly 2,000 years.
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God bless
Mike
does anyone think The Messiah came to start something called Christianity?
do you think He went to services that resemble Christian ones?
so you think He approves of anything that goes on that has replaced the way that He worshiped?
i am asking because when you come to a King to worship Him, you do not change the worship to make it fit your opinions, ideas and feelings. kind of making it seeker friendly to you and the people you want to attract.
He being King of The Jews and all, i find it odd that men would make a service and community that looks about as Jewish as Voodooism.
if i go into a church, any church, of any denomination, i have no idea they are worshiping the King of The Jews. how could i, no evidence in the whole building.
and no, i am not talking about an alter outside with fire and animals or circumcising all the males.
seems like Christianity has removed 100% anything resembling the Jewishness of The King they say they worship and replaced it with a concoction of men and women.
just some observations, no need to have a cow, but you can reply.interesting there...
Messianic Jewish believers use music in their services.
very nice stuff too.
"if"~~you were a man?
why let that stop you, if you feel like you need to preach and teach people i think millions of women are out there too.
if men care to listen, they will show up too.
i would not let that stop me if i was female.
i would not insist on any certain audience either, children are a great audience too.
the Bible clearly tell the older women to instruct the younger ones and i am pretty sure you know this.
if men teach men and women teach women but the men care to go hear the women or vice versa...then great!!!
but don't let that stop you otherwise you'll answer for making excuses and be miserable until then.seminary~~~cemetery = same thing.
why go there only to unlearn most of it?
spending $1,000's on a serving of whale water.
worthy? who is that? someones last name?
i recall ignorant fishermen doing a fine job, what's your excuse today?
gosh, a 130 posts in less than 24 hours
good topic question maybe?I know for me, I have to click on that Formatting Tips link to remember how to do the smile faces, but I have this one memorized
- Onusonusposted 14 years ago0
Judah's Daughter from that other thread you have proven that there is no sense in discussing anything with you. You just completely overlook any Biblical proof anyone gives you and come back with your Tim LaHaye manual of attack. There is not one iota that you could give to anyone that would benefit their salvation.
Very "christian" of you Judah's Daughter. But you have nothing to worry about cause you think you will be raptured before the tribulation and before your so-called 1,000 year reign of Christ.
i know that the one who calls himself the truth, he found me 3 decades ago.
so i do not "look for the truth" he already found me.
i do carry a sharp two~edged sword though.
i discern the truth in all things.
take captive every thought and every word that men / women speak.
make it submit to the mind of the Messiah.
that's what i do is all, very simple.- Onusonusposted 14 years ago0
- Onusonusposted 14 years ago0
- Onusonusposted 14 years ago0
Yes, you're a youngster, too! Thanks ~ I've learned something new
I have a son your age...
I think you would be great at doing this. You do really dig into the Word. In fact, I'd really appreciate it if you could take over witnessing/conversing with Onusonus. It's pretty well a done-deal where I'm concerned.
Would you care to take over?I think you would be great at doing this. You do really dig into the Word. In fact, I'd really appreciate it if you could take over witnessing/conversing with Onusonus. It's pretty well a done-deal where I'm concerned.
Would you care to take over?
IMAO
in my arrogant opinion.........
someone will use it nowDing Ding
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I like your style
Most Bible fanatics haven't understood Jesus message of the kingdom of god being within.
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