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ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years ago
A followup on the thread I posted earlier.
I realized that perhapse the answer to my question "Why are nonbelievers so obsessed with telling Christians they are wrong" is simple.
So many "Christians" bash non believers and tell them they are stupid for not accpeting God. They are hypocrites and show no love.
I wanted to post this as an apology on behalf of those "believers". It saddens me that both sides are so ready to bash the other, and I realize that only an apology is needed on the topic.
If you are not a believer in Christ, and have been wronged, hurt, or bashed or had beliefs shoved down your throat by a Christian rather than lovingly told about what they believed,
I apologize.
You have the right to believe what you want, as do we all.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps, you might want to understand that often having beliefs shoved down your throat is the same thing as being lovingly told what they believe. Just a point of clarity.
  
  As well, you may state that you have the right to believe what you want, but that means you would have to follow the beliefs of your religion and your god, which means you have to tell us all how to live according to your scriptures.
  
  Notice the circular motion going on there?
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not at all, Beelzedad, there is a difference. When someone asks us what we believe and we tell them lovingly, that isn't shoving anything down anyone's throat. It's merely answering questions and it happens all the time.
  
  And yes, that is true, but as I just stated - that may be done in a way that is unoffensive and good. Like answering questions or giving sermons in our own churches while inviting people to come. Is it so wrong to give someone the choice whether to listen or not?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And you had to turn this thread into defending your right to spread your ridiculous beliefs didn't you?
  
  I am offended every single time that some one invites me to listen to their ridiculous beliefs. What on earth makes you think anyone is interested in what you believe?
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  getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  It doesn't matter whether you talk about your beliefs in a loving way, or shove them down our throats, it's still disturbing.
  
  Would you respect my belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, even if I told you in a loving way, or would you think my beliefs were absurd?
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If I hear you and someone else talking about your spagetti monster I'd most likely just think to myself ...... "just listen to them silly squirrels" and go on my way.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is the critical point of your argument though. No one is asking you because they already know or were never interested in the first place because they have access to bibles just like you.
  
  Yes, it is wrong because you forced that choice upon them, which means the choice of whether to listen or not has nothing to do with what they want and everything to do with what YOU want.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Imagine if you can that you get next weeks newspaper? You know beforehand what hurricane Catrina is going to do to New Orleans and the gulf Coast.
  
  Ya know what is about to happen.
  Ya want to save as many people as you can but nobody will listen to ya.
  Yea; you know that most everyone is going to think that you are foolish. But if just one person believed you and got out of town it was worth pushing your beliefs upon those that didn't hear ya..
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Imagine your god...
  
  Oops! There's the problem.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah - but your threat does not exist. In which case the one person saved from the nonexistent threat does not make up for the constant wars.
  
  But - you go ahead and justify sticking your beliefs to all and sundry. Odd how upset you seem to get when people tell you they are nonsense. Ya know?
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't need anyones permission to believe what ever you believe in or not believe.
  
  I don't either.
  I do not come on here to argue with Atheists or even to change their beliefs.
  I come here to express my beliefs with believers.
  
  I believe that approx 99% of all bible prophesy has been fulfilled. So to believe the finalley is near, or even at the door, would be logical.
  
  You don't want to hear it?? OK; Fine with me!
  Most Christians don't want to hear it either.
  The prophesy that they are waiting and watching for to be fulfilled at some time in the future have "ALREADY" happened according to the book that they hold in their hands.
  
  That is; except for the seventh trumpet and seventh Vial
  
  Someone said (2000 years ago) that it hasn't happened yet
  
  It is written so it must not have happened yet..???
  
  A 1000 years from now it will still be written that it hasn't happened yet ?????? And a 1000 years after that it will still be written. SO ?
  
  That is my message. And I know !! You don't want to hear it! If you don't want to hear it ? Don't listen.
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  klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ohmygoodnessrae, just a word of advice... don't waste your time trying to get Beelzedad to understand. He is the most argumentative man I've ever encountered! lol
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Klarawieck, I do understand what people are saying here, unless they are completely incoherent and require remedial English classes. I understand what you're saying too.
  
  Are you sure maybe it isn't you who is not understanding me?
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  thisisoliposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As to the question about vegetarianism, it might be rude to talk about a lovely steak with a vegetarian around. But I think it would be just as rude for a vegetarian to act so offended because somebody else has a different view on meat eating.
  
  While my wife is vegan and will still cook me a steak, I do know some other vegetarians who are offended when I talk about meat. They feel that their own belief is more 'justified' than mine, which I feel is somehow wrong.
  
  In regards to the OP, I don't think you need to apologise since you have held your temper, and have only tried to reason, not insult. There are probably apologies owed from both sides of the religion argument.
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  CMCastroposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I belong to a family with the combination of religious and nonreligious, believers and nonbelievers. I believe that having discernment on how to speak to others, and being prepared with the right words to say, and when to say it. It is good to be fair and nondenominational. I think that EVERYBODY should LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
  We live in a cruel world full of crime and evil, and to be personally spoken to with judgement by others who believe in God is harsh in itself. Being a good listener helps for the correct words to say.
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
Based on what I read of what they say - their book tells them so.
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They are wrong.
  The book never tells us to be hateful or to ram things down people's throats.
  I'm sorry they've led you to believe that.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is your interpretation of the book. Obviously it allows for multiple interpretations, as many believers will tell you you are wrong, and quote the book to support their point of view.
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's true, Misha. Many people interperate and call for hate.
  This, however, is an apology for that. Nothing more.
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You can accept the apology, or argue religion. But I really only wanted to apologize.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, I don't need an apology, I am not feeling offended. It is nice of you, though
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok. But I still believe an apology is in order. If not for you, than for others that have been offended, ya know?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is this from another book then?
  
  Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
  
  Thus speaketh the invisible sky fairy
  
  Nice!
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is a completely different situation, earnesthub.
  
  That is speaking of the Kingdom of Israel. Like any other kingdom, they had laws. That priest was the enforcer of the law. Those under him served God.
  They weren't forcing anything down anyone's throat - just enforcing a law they all agreed to keep.
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You always seem to be looking for a fight.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, just making some observations. Your title is the stuff that picks fights.
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again, I only entitled it to pose a question.
  If you read my very first post, you'll find the reason why I published this topic.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have a great memory thanks. I can recall all of the things I read very clearly.
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wasn't insulting your memory.
  I just wanted to make sure you read it.
  
  The topic was to link this thread to my other one, so that people would know it was a follow up.
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Diane Insideposted 14 years ago
Thus speaketh the invisible sky fairy

See I told you, it was coming.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't you enlighten me with the "truth" then and show me proof of the guy who made himself, became his own son. killed himself and blames, punishes mankind for his screw ups??
  
  "Fairy in the sky above, write a hub and show some love!"
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That isn't want this post was about.
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  Diane Insideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What for it wouldn't matter what I said. Or how I explained it. It is a lost cause.
  
  I was only pointing out that one of you would show disrespect by calling names, as I have said in the other forum.
  
  And you just proved me right that's all.
  
  It is offensive to me, because it is making fun of God and believers, and that is blasphemy.
  
  I know you don't believe that, but because I do it is offensive to me.
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's exactly what I mean!
  Why do we have to name-call and be offensive?
  Even if we do disagree with each other???
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  Diane Insideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  are you saying I'm calling names, no.
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No not at all.
  I'm agreeing with you.
  Why do people have to name-call when they don't agree with someone, you know?
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  Diane Insideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wish I knew why but I don't. But it sure gets old. I usually can go along with most things, and be civil and friendly but I hate the name calling it is like we are back grade school.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You know, my belief tells me that people speaking English in my presence are offending me. Please stop it, have some respect for others, would you?
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Um . . . HubPages is strictly an English-speaking community . . so you are offending yourself by being here . . LEAVE!
  
  haha just kidding
  Oh, late-night sarcasm . .
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He-he, those English-speakers conspire here to insult me!
  
  But you see the point, right?
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well . . the way I took it is that you are offended automatically by people who believe the way I do.
  No matter what we do.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You mistaking me for Earnest and Mark.
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No no.
  I meant by your comment about being offended by the English language.
  
  I don't think I got your double-meaning in that.
  
  Could you explain? My brain kinda . .shuts down around this hour. haha
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  OK, once I take that English-offended stance, i am offended automatically by anyone who speaks English. Which is not the brightest stance to take obviously, and very hard one to sustain - given the abundance of English speaking people
  
  Replace english with atheism, and you see why Diane's position is a losing one.
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I see.
  Yeah, so basically it's kind of like what I thought you meant - replacing someone being offended by christians with someone being offended by athiests.
  Got it.
  Duly noted!
  *bangs gavel
  ..lol
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  Diane Insideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Okay come on over the the Russian Forum and I talk to you there.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So, why don't you move over to a christian forum then?
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Because I'm not here for a Christian forum.
  I'm here to write, and I participate in these forums to engage in the community.
  This is just a response to what I've seen throughout the forums, you know?
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This was my response to a specific post by Diana, trying to show her that I think her stance is unsustainable
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oh . . sorry.
  haha
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  Diane Insideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's Diane, not Diana, and Whatever.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oops sorry, I'll try to remember
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Misha, are you actually prejudice against Christians?
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nah, absolutely. I don't share the belief and think it is as irrational as other religions, but I don;t have any prejudice against it, probably because I was not indoctrinated with it when I was a kid. Mark and Earnest seem to still fight the indoctrination they received in early years.
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah I see.
  Well I have no problem with you not sharing my beliefs.
  I think we can get along as long as we don't start name calling. haha.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am sure. I always get along with pretty girls, ya know
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah . .
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And Misha, I can definitely see why Earnest fights so hard.
  I got extremely angry with God because of my indoctrination as a kid. But we won't get into that.
  I just wanted to say I understood. I don't hold anything against him.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm right here, no need to third person me.
  To understand someone you need to know a lot more about them. I have got to know Mark and I know his activities. He is a helluva lot deeper than just someone who did not enjoy indoctrination as a child.
  We although sharing many beliefs are as different as I am to the OP in religious background and experiences.
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh sorry. I thought you'd left.
  Yeah I can't say I completely understand you, my friend,
  I only meant to say I can understand your view, you know?
  Because I used to feel prettymuch the same way.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's funny, I used to feel the same way you do!
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh irony . . . .
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Honesty.
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Haha.
  Well let's start this over shall we?
  
  Hello, I'm ohmygoodnessrae
  nice to meet you, earnestshub.
  
  lol
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Rae, I'm a mould breaker.
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  Diane Insideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I was waiting in the Russian forum, you never showed. he he he
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I've been waiting for you on a christian one
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  Diane Insideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I was there.
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
Cool, you guys are starting to get along!
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Haha.
  I was hoping for that.
  This post was about mending tension. I hate offending people - especially over something so unnecessary. He has his beliefs and I have mine. The end.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Or may be the beginning?
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  *Cue dramatic music.
  
  haha
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  Diane Insideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That will never happen, be nice if it would.
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  ohmygoodnessraeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What will never happen?
  Mending tension?
  Because it just did . . .
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  Diane Insideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just wait, you'll see. I've seen this before.
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Joy56posted 14 years ago
er two posts same question,,,,,,, now what has gone on here.

Time to sleep ohmygoodness, it's three in the morning.,
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Jeramiposted 14 years ago
Mark Knowles wrote I am offended every single time that some one invites me to listen to their ridiculous beliefs.
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ME ... Do vegitarians get so offended when someone tells them how good that "T bone" steak tasted last night?
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Mark Knowles wrote What on earth makes you think anyone is interested in what you believe?
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Me
I think that everyone has wanted to ask this same question from time to time. And I think that we forget that someone will always be thinking it about us.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know if vegetarians get offended. It would be pretty rude to do so wouldn't it? Sort of like telling them their lifestyle is wrong and you have a better one for them if they just listened to how good that steak was.
  
  Really - what a high opinion you have of yourself. Where I come from it is downright rude to ask some one what they believe as far as religion goes.
  
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You sure are good at twisting things that people say.
  Were you born with that ability or do you have to work hard at it??
  You must be proud of yourself.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jerami - I did not twist anything. It is there in black and white.
  
  Do vegetarians get offended when you tell them how wonderful your steak was?
  
  I don't know - I am not a vegetarian, but - it would be pretty rude of you to do so.
  
  No twisting here Jerami. Feel free to read what I wrote.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I did say when someone I didn't when I do.
  
  Just suppose that "Someone" doesn't know that someone else is a vegitarian BUT comments on how good their Steak was!
  
  Should the vegatian go into a rant?
  
  NO! Cause everyone has the right to like what they like.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So - you go around telling random strangers that you had a great steak last night?
  
  "Hey random stranger - let me tell you the good news about that Prime Rib I ate last night. It was wonderful, and you should really consider eating Prime Rib tonight.
  
  I hear there are some people that don't like to eat Prime Rib. This is an offense against The Great Invisible Cow in the Sky, and they are going to be punished for not eating Prime Rib.
  
  I have spent years translating the sacred texts to explain why and I now know that the prophecies have come true. Mad Cow Disease was foretold in the scriptures, many years since, as a punishment for vegetarianism. Come - let us eat Prime Rib together in the Holy Texas Steak house.
  
  Repent and eat the Cow!"
  
  Actually - that is a powerful argument. See if you don't want a prime Rib for dinner.
  
  See how that would need to go to be the same Jerami?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  To Parra
  How typically condescending!
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Rude to ask? We don't ask, you just volunteer it (like) ALL the time.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Zat so? No book being spread far and wide then? No churches? No ringing bells? No knocking on doors? No TV ads? No billboards? Dear me.
  
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your spelling is getting worse! "Zat so?"
  
  I haven't ever "spread" a book
  rang a (church)bell
  knocked on doors, (well maybe a few, but definitely not yours!)
  done tv ads
  nor billboards.
  You are indeed dear to me.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah - Interesting. Lying for Jesus huh? I have seen you quoting the book that you do not spread. LOLOLOLOL Dear me.
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We spread butter, margarine, topsoil etc. I have never seen a "spreadable" book before.
  LOL @ya.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah - semantics. Very good DJ. Proof you are a genuine Christian in any case.
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Did you at least crack a smile????
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  DJ - it was not in the least funny. Sorry dude.
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I suggest you give up on sucking lemons dude.
  That's best left to the religious/pious folks!
  
  I see there is no fun to be had here, so, I'm "outa hea!"
  (oh no, badd speling iz contrageouse).
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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
Flip:Why are believers obsessed with telling nonbelievers theyre wrong

Only because of free will and for humanity's sake to help the nonbelievers, out of love. If still they don't believe it is OK with me.
Thanks
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Out of love? You're kidding right?
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We don't hate anybody and don't want that others should suffer in the hereafter, when they could easily avoid that suffering. But we don't insist because of your free will.
  
  Thanks
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Apostle Jackposted 14 years ago
It's like this.If i see you heading for some quick sand,
should i tell you,or let you go ahead?
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Diane Insideposted 14 years ago
Mark, just wondering, so If a forum specifically says Mark you are not invited to listen to my beliefs.

Would you not therefore comment in that forum?
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Jerami, I will concede that you may well be correct in your interpretation or reading of what was written. I just don't believe what is written is true.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hay Earnest enjoying your weather? I'm not.
  
  I might have agreed with ya except I can see the bread crumbs. (Hansel and Gretel).
  
  There is a pretty clear trail through history that can easily be seen as fulfillment of all of the seal, trumpet and vial judgments. (except for two)
  
  That proves something, to me at least.
  Just because the story got corrupted don't mean that the main characters in the story didn't exist.
  
  My thoughts anyway.
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  stilljustwonderinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well after reading all this it is pretty clear to me that ya can't have an opinion, a thought, or a belief. If ya do you should just keep it to your self because others don't want to hear it. They can express their views but if yours is different your foolish.
  So
  How's the weather? Is it ok to discuss the weather? Of course the weather is different every where so I guess we shouldn't discuss that either. Is there anything we can discuss?
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hay I'd like to hear your opinion. here is mine ...
  I think you are cool
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  stilljustwonderinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well I think your pretty cool too. And guess what else? I think it is ok if you have an opinion. I won't even get upset if it is different from mine. I won't insult you or your belief. I'm silly enough to think every one is entitled to one.
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  mythbusterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But if we stop trying to "discuss," we won't get anywhere, either. Once in a while people DO listen to one another. I think those moments are worth many of the frustrations, don't you?
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  stilljustwonderinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes we should be able to discuss. I have gone onto threads and be involved in good discussions with some one who believes differently than me. There seem to be a mutual respect there.
  Take some one who is color blind. They see a color differently than we do.
  They honestly see it the way they do. Who is to say they see it wrong? The majority rules? How do we know that it is the majority that isn't color blind? We all go by what we see.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was reading once that everyone does in fact see a different shade of, lets say green. The thing that everyone has agreed to CALL green may actually apear to me as blue, but we have agreed to call it green.
  And this is difficult to communicate that FACT.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's a free world. You can discuss what you like.
  
  If I discuss my adorable invisible unicorn feel free to not disagree with me.
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  stilljustwonderinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you see one, good for you. I'm not going to argue with you about it, or insult you. You see what you see.
  I have seen you on many threads. I have ignored your comments because you seem to be insulting and condescending. If you attack some one they will by human nature go on the defense and a good discussion isn't going to happen.
  If you have a disagreement with your wife and you start insulting her, will ya'll be able to settle the disagreement? If your wife starts yelling at you, will you hear? I believe that in order to be heard you have to speak calmly and respectfully.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you see any gods get a photo will you? The prize goes to the religionists not me. Condescending threats made in the third person are not nice, and I usually respond to them.
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  stilljustwonderinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We all know that God is a spirit. I could show you a picture of a spirit but you still would not believe. I have a picture that was taken with a polaroid camera. It was taken at the death bed of my husbands cousin. There are images of people in the picture that were not seen by her husband and children. Her mother took this picture to an expert to have it analyzed thinking it was a double exposure and she would have evidence that her son in law had been cheating on her daughter. The expert said No, it is real.
  
  No one should be threatening you in any way. You do realize and been told that referring to God as a sky fairy is offensive to us. You continue to do so. That puts others on the defensive. As I stated in my above post, no one hears when they are on the defensive. We can disagree, that is every ones right, but we should do so respectfully.
  
  Where are ya'll getting the smiley faces? I see no where on my page to get them?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Click "Formatting Tips" bottom right under the reply box for the smilies.
  
  As a matter of interest - I see from another thread that 1, you believe in heaven, and 2, you believe that some people do not go there.
  
  So - you buy the notion that some people get to live forever - based on their behavior in this life.
  
  You also claim to be a Christian and your bible clearly tells me that the only unforgivable sin is to not believe in the Invisible Super Daddy, for which I will be burned in the lake of fire for all eternity.
  
  How is this not a threat?
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  stilljustwonderinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you.
  
  Yes, you are correct. I do believe there is a heaven and some people won't make it there.
  
  Correct again. I do believe that a person has to believe.
  
  The Bible says that when he comes every eye shall see him. When you see him, then will you believe? What is in your heart? Goodness? Love? Forgiveness?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now answer the question.
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  stilljustwonderinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry.
  I concede. I guess it can be taken as a threat. I didn't look upon it that way because I don't think on that. I prefer thinking on the good things. I have known some one who past away and their family was saying how this man went to hell. They don't know that! They don't have the right to judge. I am so thankful that we do not have the right to judge.
  If I have offended, threatened, or judged, please forgive me. It was not my intent.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  All you need to do is see that there is a threat inherent in your belief system. That rather makes your comments to earnest invalid, and your statement:
  
  really needs to be turned around to your belief system. You are the one putting people on the defensive. You are the one making the threats.
  
  I do not have the power to forgive you. Only you can do that by seeing the inherent threat in your beliefs. Every time you say "I am Christian" you are threatening every one who is not.
  
  Expect a reaction.
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  stilljustwonderinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I ask for forgiveness every night. I know I am not perfect. My intent has not been to threaten or judge any one. It isn't my place to do so. I have seen so much name calling coming from both believers and non believers. No one is going to be heard that way. We just had a discussion, neither one of us insulted the other. A respectful conversation that can be heard. I heard where you are seeing the threat. You weren't insulting, so I heard you.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  By this rational... No one should be a member of any group,club or organization that exists anywhere on the face of tearth; or even a family reunion.
  Exclusionary practices are not allowed even for those that refuse to partisipate.
  by order of Mark Knoles and anyone else that does not want to partisipate in them. For this reason... these gatherings are not allowed.
  
  Ya cain't let icecream haters join a icecream lovers club.
  
  SORRY
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ya cain't see um can ya Jerami. Them ice cream cultists bain't thretnin' nuthin' am they?
  
  No other group lies wot sez it is an invisible super daddy innit.
  
  NONE.
  
  Sorry you are unable to grasp the basic principle. No ice cream cultists are prepared to die for it are they?
  
  Divisive nonsense.
  
  I will concede that your religion is on a par with an ice cream lovers club - assuming the ice cream lovers club has spent the last 2000 years murdering and threatening people who refuse to eat ice cream - sure - why not - 'zackly the same now innit. Am thez tryin' ter git them pesky laws changed to suit theyselves and the invisible ice cream monster?
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  Joy56posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you will not be burned in hell Mark, you really wont......... you love the religious forums too much, you are a secret believer, come on admit it, and throw me a pepper
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL No - I am just here to educate the ignorant and dispel a few fairy tales for the long term good of mankind. Peppers are awesome - much tastiness and very refreshing.
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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
Why are believers obsessed with telling nonbelievers theyre wrong

Hi friends

To help the non-believers to come out of their frustration for humanity's sake.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How typically condescending!
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