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Obama Skeet-Shooting Truthers Think the President Is Scared of Guns

  1. Stacie L profile image88
    Stacie Lposted 3 years ago

    The Obama Skeet-Shooting Truthers Think the President Is Scared of Guns
    Alexander Abad-Santos 758 Views 11:43 AM ET

    President Obama said in an interview published this week that he has, in fact, shot a gun recently, and conservative skeptics are having a field day with the latest in presidential sport shooting. This isn't just a standard-issue defense of the Second Amendment, goes the new narrative, it's a cover-up from a man whose "athletic prowess" is not to be trusted, especially in the middle of a fight over new gun legislation.


        Yes, in fact, up at Camp David, we do skeet shooting all the time ...

        Not the girls, but oftentimes guests of mine go up there. And I have a profound respect for the traditions of hunting that trace back in this country for generations. And I think those who dismiss that out of hand make a big mistake.

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics … vid/61526/
    There are those who don't beleive he actually shoots guns and question that timing...maybe this would make a great photo op
    wink

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      whoisitposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      How did he cook his skeet?

      1. Superkev profile image85
        Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I'm thinking the same way as dog??

        1. Josak profile image61
          Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You failed to answer for your blatant errors then accused Obama of being of the communist "faith" a creed of atheism while at the same time being Muslim... it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

          1. Superkev profile image85
            Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            One does not exclude the other, surely you know this.

          2. Superkev profile image85
            Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Since when is communism a faith LOL. Obama says he is of Christian faith so he will be palatable to certain groups. His true, "faith" and ideology are quite clear to see. Statist, communist, socialist, all different forms of the same cancer.

            Because he does not conform to your preferred puritan brand of communism does not  mean he isn't one.

        2. Josak profile image61
          Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Implying there is something wrong with eating dog?

          1. Superkev profile image85
            Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Ask PETA what they think.

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    JaxsonRaineposted 3 years ago

    It always seems that when a politician wants to push more gun control, they start painting themselves as a gun-enthusiast.

    Yeah, I love going shooting with my family.
    Yeah, I love hunting.
    Yeah, I go shooting all the time, I embrace our traditions of hunting.

    It's a trick, because they want to appear pro-2A, when the 2A has nothing to do with hunting.

    1. LiamBean profile image89
      LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Uh huh. So you are a bow hunter is that right? Or do you prefer sling-shot?

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        JaxsonRaineposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        What? I'm talking about what the politicians say.

  3. Superkev profile image85
    Superkevposted 3 years ago

    I don't think he is scared of them, I don't think he's ever shot one in his life. Like all things Obama, he is just saying what he thinks his audience wants/needs to hear in order to push his agenda.

    1. Zelkiiro profile image84
      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Welcome to Politics 101!

  4. LiamBean profile image89
    LiamBeanposted 3 years ago

    Wow I'm just astonished at the anti-Obama sentiment.

    I distinctly remember questioning Bush on some of his allegations and being told to shut up and respect the office.

    I guess that doesn't apply if the office holder is black eh?

    1. Superkev profile image85
      Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Has, and never had, anything to do with his race.

      A) He's 1/2 black

      B) He's ALL communist

      And B is why I dislike him and his Marxist policies. You want to give me the pro 8+% Unemployment for 43 months, pro 6 TRILLION in new debt, pro Fast and Furious cover-up and pro 4 dollar gas arguments, I'm all ears.

      The race card has expired long ago Liam.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
        Uninvited Writerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        So did the communist/marxist card, only a fool would believe that.

        1. Superkev profile image85
          Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Yet his childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was card carrying communist, so where the Grandparents who raised him and Bill Ayers who launched Obama's political career in his living room.

          But Obama could not possibly be one now could he?

          Only a fool would believe THAT!

      2. LiamBean profile image89
        LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Really? Explain the voter disenfranchisement in Florida, Ohio and other battle-ground states.

        A) Apparently half is all it takes.

        B) Look up communism. He isn't.

        Communism: a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production.

        If he's a communist you cannot explain Wall Street.

        He's not a socialist either.

        Socialism: an economic system characterized by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy.

        Again explain Wall Street!

        Marxism: There is no one definitive Marxist theory; Marxist analysis has been applied to a variety of different subjects and has been modified during the course of its development, resulting in multiple and sometimes contradictory theories that fall under the rubric of Marxism or Marxian analysis.

        All the debt, including new debt, can be traced back to eight years of Bush mismanagement. Two unfunded wars, Medicare part D, more tax breaks for the rich, and a  pro laissez faire business with no regulation. All of these practices and policies are directly responsible for the current state of the economy.

        Fast and Furious has been debunked. I guess you didn't get the memo.

        Gas prices have been high for years.

        Since none of your assertions actually apply the only thing left is racism.

        Shut up and respect the office.

        1. GA Anderson profile image86
          GA Andersonposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          How has F and F been debunked? I was pretty critical of Holder for F & F - so if it has been debunked I should check it out so I don't make a further fool of myself - can you point me to the "debunking" data?

          GA

          1. LiamBean profile image89
            LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Holder inherited F&F. Honestly the justice department had nothing to charge anyone with. There are no federal laws addressing what was going on in Arizona. And Arizona gun laws are such that you can buy ten or more weapons and sell them to someone else on the same day; no laws broken.

            But it's not Arizona's fault is it?

            1. GA Anderson profile image86
              GA Andersonposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Liam, perhaps we are just debating semantics. Or perhaps I am just misunderstanding your statements.....

              But....

              No, President Obama did not inherit the Fast and Furious Field Operation.
              F & F was initiated in October 2009 - 9 months after Pres. Obama took office.

              Perhaps your misconception stems from a response Pres. Obama gave at/on something called the Univision forum in Sept. 2012

                  "Asked about the Fast and Furious program at the Univision forum on Thursday, President Obama falsely claimed that the program began under President George W. Bush."

              ABC did an article documenting that this was a false claim, (some would even say an intentional false claim - but I don't know what his intentions were).

              You can see the ABC article here:
              http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 … istration/
              - and decide for yourself - maybe the ABC reporter was lying.
                *hopefully this was not the source of your debunking facts
               
              Also, here is a CNN timeline of the F & F operation, (initiated by several agencies of Pres. Obama's administration - but field managed by ATF operatives) - that illustrates how the operation started, operated, and progressed - under Pres. Obama's DOJ supervision:
              http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/21/fa … nts-death/

              Of course I understand that those are media sources, and should be considered subject to bias, so here is the DOJ's own Inspector General report, (hmmm. a "reliable" government source), that documents the origination and timeline of F & F:
              http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/2012/s1209.pdf
              - (it is a large and lengthy file, but perhaps it can provide some helpful facts for you.

              While it is true that there were similar operations during the Bush administration - Fast and Furious was not one of them.

              As for "...nothing to charge anyone with...," I suppose that would depend on what actions you deemed to be chargeable - the DOJ report specifically addressed the actions of 14 ATF and DOJ officials.

              Further, as to "...no federal laws addressing what was going on...," - yes there certainly are. Several. Beginning with the laws against "straw purchase fraud," and for those with "extremist" views of this operation - a plausible charge of "aiding and abetting..."

              I suppose I should mention these agencies' violation a of U.S./Mexico treaty regarding arms crossing the border - but you spoke of Federal laws, so... just saying...

              (ps. I would have provided the links for the Federal firearm laws mentioned, and the specific treaty - but, I think the research would mean more to you if you looked them up yourself)

              In closing, what you say about Arizona's gun laws regarding private sales is mostly true - but what does that have to do with the Fast and Furious scandal? It involved government monitored, and facilitated "strawman" purchases from licensed firearms dealers.

              GA

              1. LiamBean profile image89
                LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Legal Community Against Violence [ranks Arizona] as having the nation's "weakest gun violence prevention laws." Just 200 miles from Mexico, which prohibits gun sales, the Phoenix area is home to 853 federally licensed firearms dealers. Billboards advertise volume discounts for multiple purchases.

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            JaxsonRaineposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            It's been debunked because Holder says that we don't need to see certain documents, and since we can't prosecute him without that proof, and he's the one in charge of it...

            well... that's what happens when you have corruption in high places. Who can touch them?

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      whoisitposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Did you shut up when told to do so?

      Why do liberals always play the race card? It no longer has any meaning.

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      JaxsonRaineposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Yup, that's it. It's not that he is trying to encroach on the Constitution, has encroached on the Constitution, and views the Constitution as an obstacle to his goals.

      It's not that he wants to increase taxes and regulations, basically putting a pillow over the face of our struggling economy.

      It's not that he made grandiose promises, coupled with saying that if he didn't meet his goals he wouldn't be a two-term president, yet that meant nothing.

      It's not that he plays dirty politics.

      It's nothing to do with any of his policies and actions. It's because he's black. Yup.

      1. LiamBean profile image89
        LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I guess when Reagan encouraged the NRA to help restrict high capacity ammunition magazines and limit the types of firearms Americans had access to that was different huh?

        The pillow belonged to Bush, he used it to hold office for another four years. He didn't worry in the least what his policies would do in the future. He's the one to blame.

        It's hard to keep promises when you have a house of Representatives that is doing everything in it's power to make "Obama a one term president."

        Respect the office and shut up.

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          whoisitposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          No its Obama's fault, and its not because he's black its because he just isn't a very good leader.

          1. LiamBean profile image89
            LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            You wouldn't know a leader if you ran into one.

            You really need to watch other news than just Fox, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. Really!

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              whoisitposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I know he isn't, sorry if that bothers you.

              1. LiamBean profile image89
                LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                He is a leader. Sorry if that bothers you (not really).

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                  whoisitposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Nah, he's just the latest democrat failure.

                  1. LiamBean profile image89
                    LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Name some others. Like FDR, how about Lyndon Johnson? How about Robert Kennedy? How about Harry Truman.

                    Democrats always have to come along and clean up Republican messes.

                    Respect the office and shut up.

            2. Jean Bakula profile image96
              Jean Bakulaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I can't understand these people who are still fighting the Civil War and have ideas that belong in that era. People should read up on Socialism and Communism. I can't believe that some people can still believe this is a bad and unpopular President when he was re-elected by rejecting the ridiculous lies and stupid policies of the Republicans. Sane people realize that Reagan also wanted restrictions on handguns and less of a tax burden on the middle class.

              The country would not be in so much debt had it not been for fighting the war in Iraq, based on the lies of Rumsfeld and Cheney. The worst thing is Congress and the R's don't care about this country. They will block good legislation just to spite Obama. They feel proud saying that their goal the first time around was only to get him out of office. Obama does not have a "master plan" to destroy America. If it's not racism, as they all say it's not, what is it then? Stupidity? Maybe "they" have a master plan, since they want all the guns. The R's were saying yesterday they think Women should have the right to choose if she wants to carry a gun. They spent a year trying to characterize all women as sluts who shouldn't even control their own bodies. They are making such fools of themselves I don't think the party will ever recover. They can't turn back the clock.

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          JaxsonRaineposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Was it different? I'm not aware that I ever said that was good coming from Reagan. Strange...

          Blame Bush. Nice. No he wasn't the greatest President, but blaming everything on him is ridiculous.

          Haha, It's hard to keep promises when you promise to cut the deficit in half in 4 years, and your first submitted budget calls for nearly tripling it.

    4. GA Anderson profile image86
      GA Andersonposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Whajamean willis? Pres. Obama is black?

      Really Liam? You found a racial motivation to the comment you responded to?

      *sigh*
      GA

      1. LiamBean profile image89
        LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Explain eight hour voting lines in largely black districts in Florida.

        Respect the office and shut up!

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          whoisitposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Lots of people? Sounds reasonable to me, especially since he won Florida.

          1. LiamBean profile image89
            LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Explain eight hour voting lines in largely black districts in Florida.

            The attempt at voter disenfranchisement didn't work this time because the people in line refused to leave. But the attempt to prevent these people from voting was clear. Or do you just ignore reality.

            Shut up and Respect the Office.

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              whoisitposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              It didn't work because its imaginary.

              1. LiamBean profile image89
                LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Explain eight hour voting lines in largely black districts in Florida.

                Not imaginary. Except in your mind I suppose.

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                  whoisitposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  The attempt at voter disenfranchisement is imaginary, didn't happen its just the latest democrat fairy tale.

                  1. Superkev profile image85
                    Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    There is no other job in the world where you could blame the 'last guy' four years in for your lack of solutions and still be employed. When, exactly, will Obama become president???

                    I notice that when ever a liberal sees they cannot defend the indefensible they just squawk "shut up racist!" LOL hell of a compelling defense there I'll say.

                    This whole meltdown can be traced back to the Democrats and the Community Reinvestment Act. When Bush tried to reign in Fannie and Freddy and warned there was going to be an issue the democrat congress had a fit. THERE is the genesis for our economic nightmare, the housing bubble the liberals created.

        2. GA Anderson profile image86
          GA Andersonposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I am not able to do that. I was not there.

          I did not check your profile, but does your ardor mean that you are a Florida voter and you were there?
          Were you there to see for yourself that it was a Republican ploy to suppress the black vote?
          Did you see any other colors in the voters lined up?
          Was there another "speedier" line for non-black voters? Or, were you in a 100% black-voter precinct?

          Shirly you are not relying solely on what the media and "other" people say for your facts.

          GA

  5. Reality Bytes profile image94
    Reality Bytesposted 3 years ago

    I wanna see a pic of Obama in an Elmer Fudd hat, shootin some skeet!

    https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTWnpX1j0scaOcXUQ8CdvoSH9dpjgx1wHPVSgKD9iND1KByrpwR

    No one has posted a pic that I could find.  Graphic artist opportunity alert!

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    whoisitposted 3 years ago

    I think Liam was wanting someone to get mad. Didn't work so he went away.

  7. LiamBean profile image89
    LiamBeanposted 3 years ago

    http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2 … ous-truth/

    This is just another attempt by the sore losers to throw a monkey wrench into anything and everything tied to this administration.

    Sore winners, Treasonous losers.

  8. LiamBean profile image89
    LiamBeanposted 3 years ago

    Fast and Furious Debunked

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/debunk … onspiracy/

    Now lets talk mind control, black helicopters, and tin-foil hats.

    1. Paul Wingert profile image80
      Paul Wingertposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      "....and they're going to clone 30 million  Obama  "mini-me" and send them all out to confinscate all our guns!! Be ready for this my American citizens! They're coming!!! This is no joke! Keep listening and remember, I'll do the distorting, you comply! This is Rush Limbaugh for the EIB Network!"

      1. Superkev profile image85
        Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        These are the same people who claim they can't find 15 million illegal aliens but they are going to confiscate 30 million firearms LOL.

        Pretty sure Rush was being juuuust a leetle sarcastic there guys. I know most liberals are pretty humorless so thought I might point that out.

    2. GA Anderson profile image86
      GA Andersonposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Liam, your linked source is debunking a conspiracy theory that F & F was a ploy to garner support for gun control laws - that was not the discussion - or the gist of your earlier comments.

      Is that what you meant by "debunked?" Not that it was an Obama administration operation?

      your link does not exonerate the DOJ, or Pres. Obama's administration. Nor does it support your earlier statements.

      If that is the case - we are discussing two different topics.

      GA

      1. Superkev profile image85
        Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        That's just the liberal way of shouting "SQUIRREL!!!!!" LOL

      2. LiamBean profile image89
        LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        You didn't read the whole article. Not that I expected you to.

        First, Fast and Furious does not appear to have been the brainchild of President Obama or Attorney General Holder. Rather, the program reportedly was formulated by the ATF in Phoenix in response to an edict from Washington to focus on eliminating arms trafficking networks, as opposed to capturing low-level buyers, as had occurred under traditional interdiction programs. If Fast and Furious had been the product of a conspiracy by the administration to promote gun control legislation, the program would have come from the top down, not from the bottom up.

        So the above paragraph does not exonerate Holder or president Obama?

        So you are the administrator of this forum and decide what does and does not get discussed; who the heck to you think you are?

        Gun grabbing figures very prominently into F&F.

        1. GA Anderson profile image86
          GA Andersonposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          ...an edict from Washington....

          Yes, I did read the full article - it dealt with the conspiracy theory that the Obama administration orchestrated F & F to provide an impetus for more gun control.

          That was not the direction of this thread, nor the point of your original comment.

          But, it appears that our purposes are different - so believe what you wish, don't let facts get in your way.

          GA

          1. LiamBean profile image89
            LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Apparently even reading the article isn't good enough. You put whatever spin you want to on it no matter what it really says.

            Again, the operation started from the bottom up, not the top down. if it were a grand conspiracy by the administration it would be a top down operation.

            No matter what "the direction of this thread" the gun grabbing factor, true or not (and it's not) is driving at least part of this. You know, right along with fears of "big brother" where none exists.

            But the real issue the tea-party has it who is in office, the color of his skin, and the party he represents. Real fact, issues, and actions have nothing to do with it.

            With any luck the rather shrill attempts by the right to hang a frame around the president will be seen for what it is and the Republican Party will be all but non-existent by 2014. One can only wish.

            All of you would be better served by the Libertarian Party. Fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

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              whoisitposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              He put no spin on it, you said fast and furious had been debunked then posted a link to a story about fast and furious not being a factor for efforts on gun control. Nobody ever said it was. You pop in every once in a while with a new (off topic) claim and then run off.

              Fine job.

              1. LiamBean profile image89
                LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                That's not all it said, but why bother with the bits you don't agree with eh?

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    JaxsonRaineposted 3 years ago

    Weird, whatever happened to the raging spiel directed at people who don't like Obama?

    1. LiamBean profile image89
      LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      The same thing that happened to the raging rants against Obama I guess.

      You start if you like and I'll follow up.

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        JaxsonRaineposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Your beef with me was 100% imaginary. You just can't stand any criticism of what Obama says and does?

        1. LiamBean profile image89
          LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Is that a question or a statement?

          No, I'm tired of the hyperbole. If Obama had 1/4 the power and really intended to take us into a communist stated we'd be there already.

          Hasn't happened and won't happen.

          1. Superkev profile image85
            Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Oh, he fully intends to do so, he just didn't think he would meet any resistance.

            Obama is used to the skids having been already greased for him all his life. Now he is having to work for it and I don't think he likes it very much.

            His failure to bring us to full on communism should never be mistaken for a lack of desire on his part.

            “It’s interesting. Deep down underneath all the work I do, I think there’s a laziness in me,” Obama said. “It’s probably from growing up in Hawaii, and it’s sunny outside. Sitting on the beach.”

            Surfs up Moondoggie.

            1. Zelkiiro profile image84
              Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Wow! I thought stupidity this comical was only hearsay and hyperbole, but it actually exists! Congratulations, Superkev! You're the leprechaun of sheer stupid!

              1. Superkev profile image85
                Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Do you have anything intelligent or interesting you would like to add or just go back to watching cartoons?

                Why don't you let the grown folks talk now, run along.

            2. Jeff Berndt profile image91
              Jeff Berndtposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              "Obama is used to the skids having been already greased for him all his life."


              lol Pfffffthahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! That's the funniest thing I've seen in a forum in a long time.lol

              Do you have any more fantasies you'd like to share with us, or are you ready to join us in reality-land?

              roll

              1. Superkev profile image85
                Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Yeah, I guess the sealed divorce records of his Illinois senate rival didn't magically pop open, allowing him to run essentially unopposed, right? 

                He's had more doors opened for him than I can count. Maybe you should take a realistic look at the man yourself.

                1. LiamBean profile image89
                  LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Well that proves it. He's a Muslim Commie Socialist Nazi Marxist. Glad you cleared that up.

                  1. Superkev profile image85
                    Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    That's just one example of the ease with which he has had everything handed to him in life. But if you don't think his actions, personal history, policies and rhetoric prove he is a communist, that's because you've not a clue what one is.  Or you willfully choose to drink the Kool-Aide of the Obama personality cult.

                    Being a Marxist/Communist are one in the same I love how liberals always try to parse that out LOL. Marx came up with the idea, Lenin was the first to try it  in a socialist society.

                    Is he a Muslim? He sure was at one point, as is listed on his papers from his time in Indonesia. Which by law he had to be to attend the school he did there.

                    And need I remind that 'Nazi' was a contraction of the German for National SOCIALIST German Workers party. So far you are batting .1000.

                    But by all means, keep defending this failure.

                2. Jeff Berndt profile image91
                  Jeff Berndtposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  "He's had more doors opened for him than I can count."

                  So, you never watched Sesame Street, then? tongue

                  One! One huge opening for a joke! Ha, Ha, Haaaaaaaaaa! lol

            3. Josak profile image61
              Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Ah the hilarity.

            4. LiamBean profile image89
              LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Got a crystal ball do you? Or perhaps you practice mind-reading? I know, you have a "man on the inside" and that's how you know these things.

              This sounds deeply delusional to me. Especially since there is absolutely no proof whatever that any of this is in the works, is something Obama desires, or that there's any chance at all of this happening.

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            JaxsonRaineposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            You think Obama can do anything he wants?

            Please tell me you've never posted about the 'obstructionist GOP House' smile

  10. Jeff Berndt profile image91
    Jeff Berndtposted 3 years ago

    As far as I know, no member of the Obama administration has ever shot anybody in the face...

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      whoisitposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Probably never shot anything.

      1. LiamBean profile image89
        LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Wishful thinking.

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      JaxsonRaineposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Anybody shooting anybody in the face deserves to be punished, unless it is for defense.

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        whoisitposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Oh come on, the guy Cheny shot in the face was a lawyer! There has to be some exceptions.

        1. LiamBean profile image89
          LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Ah yes, I remember that. There was some question about Cheney's sobriety during the incident. Interestingly he was unavailable for the police to question for over twenty-four hours. How convenient if you've had a few too many and don't want the law to cite you for that.

          1. Paul Wingert profile image80
            Paul Wingertposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            When Cheny shot that lawyer in the face, that was the only time his approval rating went above 19%.

            1. Josak profile image61
              Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Best comment in a long time.

  11. Mighty Mom profile image93
    Mighty Momposted 3 years ago

    The thing about the truthers is they never actually admit anything. They simply move on  -- en masse -- when the pupetteers whip them up into the next big fear frenzy.
    Still, there are always some who are slow on the uptake.
    I actually heard "Obamaphone" yesterday.
    I'm looking forward to testing out my government-issued Obamington 870 or 1100.

    1. LiamBean profile image89
      LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      LOL.

      I hear the Obamaphone is hooked permanently to the ear. All libruls are required to wear them. That way when Obama says something communistic what we here platitudes of the equality for everyone  American dream. I quite like mine. It's gray with cream highlights.

    2. habee profile image92
      habeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      MM, if you have a choice between the Obamington 870 and 1100, choose carefully. I shoot an 870 because that's what I learned to shoot skeet, quail, and doves with. If you're not used to firing a shotgun, you'll probably prefer the 1100, as it has much less "kick." After a day of shooting my Obamington 870 Wingmaster, my right shoulder is sometimes black and blue - and that's WITH a recoil pad.

      1. Mighty Mom profile image93
        Mighty Momposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you for that very useful feedback, friend. Should have known you'd have the intel and deliver it with aplomb!

        I'm such a wuss I won't even shoot any of the shotguns. Fear of recoil is big with me.
        The Glock kick is more than enough action, thank you very much.
        smile

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          JaxsonRaineposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You could always shoot a .410. You probably won't even notice the recoil.

          Edit: even better, get a Taurus Judge in .410! It's pretty much the laughing stock of anybody who knows the ballistics of it. It could be turned into a very handy less-than-lethal weapon for police lol

          1. LiamBean profile image89
            LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Saw the video on that. A five shot cylinder. Not bad. They claim to have modified the rifling to accommodate both the shot-shell and the .45 cartridge. You get close enough. Say up to twenty feet and it should do the job.

            I do have a question about the video. Why was the presenter stroking the grip sensuously?

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              JaxsonRaineposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I don't know... some people think it's the greatest thing ever, but it won't do what you think it will do. It fires heavy ammo, but doesn't have a long enough barrel to get it up to speed.

              A basic shotgun will fire the smallest birdshot 4-inches deep into ballistics gel from 10 feet away. A Judge will fire the third-smalles birdshot(should penetrate further) less than 2-inches deep into ballistics gel from 1 foot.

              That's barely enough to pierce your skin. Like I said, to those who know about the ballistics, it's a complete joke.

              1. LiamBean profile image89
                LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Well, there is the tendency of the manufacturer to oversell features and ignore faults.

                Again, why was the presenter stroking the grip sensuously?

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                  JaxsonRaineposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I told you, some people think it's the greatest thing ever. To the point of near-worship(kind of like fans of politicians big_smile)

                  1. LiamBean profile image89
                    LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    http://images.politico.com/global/2013/02/02/130202_obama_gun_605.jpg

                    This is a $2,200 Browning Cynergy over/under shotgun. An earlier model as this year's models have a different trigger guard and a thicker butt-plate configuration. Wish I had one.

                    And he's wearing an Obamaphone too. My Obamaphone ringtone is president Obama's voice singing "Obama lama ding dong."

      2. LiamBean profile image89
        LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I loved my 870. Very reliable and frankly a good looking shotgun. I thought it was Remington thought, not Obamington.

        1. Mighty Mom profile image93
          Mighty Momposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Only the official government issued guns (issued only to law-abiding, not crazy citizens) are Obamingtons.
          You haven't gotten yours yet?
          Didn't your contribute your $18 to Obama's reelection campaign (?)
          lol

        2. habee profile image92
          habeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I was echoing MM's comment about Obamingtons.

          1. Jean Bakula profile image96
            Jean Bakulaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Hi habee,
            I know you are educated about guns, and had to defend your family with one. I think that you are an exceptional person, and you made me reconsider my views on guns. Some people should have them, to protect themselves. But some people should not. The government does not always do a very good job when it tries to pass legislation about issues like this. But too many crazy people can get guns that are too dangerous. I'm worried about them. I don't know the answers, but would it help if there were restrictions on the amount of ammo?

            1. habee profile image92
              habeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Hi, Jean. Thank you for your kind words. I'm all for keeping guns out of the hands of crazies. Also, I see no reason why anyone would need a weapon that holds a clip with 50 rounds or more. I'm on the fence about how much ammo one should be able to buy. What's too much? If you're hosting a skeet-shooting tournament, for example, you'd need lots of shells.

              1. Jean Bakula profile image96
                Jean Bakulaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                A friend of mine has concerns because his wife works for the state Government in NJ, and even though she and her co-workers must pass through metal detectors to get to the office, he wanted to get her a gun and teach her to shoot. It is a dangerous city, and many shootings have taken place there, so his fears were well founded.

                She took a few lessons, then they went on vacation in AZ. She was "practicing" and when she actually began to shoot the gun, went into a panic, and she just kept shooting. Her husband came home with a video showing this crazy incident, and the rest of the family was jumping for cover and hitting the decks. It was a hilarious video, but proves that people need experience with guns, maybe a certain amount of hours of lessons? That's probably a requirement I would guess.

  12. habee profile image92
    habeeposted 3 years ago

    Back to the original question...it wouldn't surprise me if Obama is afraid of guns. So what? My husband is afraid of spiders, and I'm terrified of tornadoes. I grew up with guns, but I can understand how people not familiar with them could find firearms scary. I compare the fear with the fear of horses. I grew up owning horses and learned to handle them. People who have never been around horses often see them as big, powerful, intimidating animals.

    1. LiamBean profile image89
      LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      There is fear and there is respect. Fear is usually ill reasoned and has no basis in fact. Respect is knowledge of an objects capabilities and careful handling based on that knowledge.

      I don't know why "truther" is tagged to these silly overly speculative fictions.  Truth has nothing to do with these rants.

      1. habee profile image92
        habeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Huh? I didn't mention "truther." ???

        1. LiamBean profile image89
          LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I'm referring back to the title of this thread; "Obama Skeet-Shooting Truthers Think the President is Afraid of Guns."

  13. movingout profile image60
    movingoutposted 3 years ago

    I guess if Obama is afraid of guns, then Cheney was afraid to shoot an animal? Only his fellow hunter! LMAO....Afraid of guns? WHere do you people come up with this stuff? LOL

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    Education Answerposted 3 years ago

    President Obama isn't afraid of guns, as long as they are used to protect his family.  He simply doesn't like you to have guns.

    1. LiamBean profile image89
      LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Take it up with the law. His protection and the protection of his family are codified.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta … et_Service

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    Education Answerposted 3 years ago

    Look, we don't necessarily believe that Obama is afraid of guns.  What we do believe is that he is not an avid skeet shooter and that he lied in order to endear himself to gun-rights advocates.  We feel he isn't afraid of guns; we feel that he is a typical, lying politician who says and does whatever it takes to get his own agenda furthered.

    1. Superkev profile image85
      Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, I don't know, I'd say there may be a case to be made smile

      http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d2f_1239153090

    2. LiamBean profile image89
      LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Who is "we?" Is that a royal "we" or an inflated go "we?"

      What agenda is that?

      That's one heck of a handle you've chosen for yourself since "education" seems to be such an iffy thing and "answer" is something you don't have.

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        Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        LiamBean, you've turned this into an argument over syntax rather than substance, one that steps away from the true issue.  President Obama lied in order to make himself sound like he is an avid gun supporter.  You and I both know that, at best, that is untrue.

        "We" refers to millions of gun owners who do not agree with President Obama's gun control.  No, it does not necessarily mean that it represents everybody's opinion any more than President Obama's gun-control agenda is supported by all democrats.  Again, let's discuss the actual issue.

        So many liberals love to call names when they do not have any credible statement.  Your statement is "iffy" at best and does nothing to further this debate.

        1. LiamBean profile image89
          LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I didn't address your wild assumptions, because they are just that. Bad guesses based on no real evidence.

          This is typical of conspiracy nuts and "truthers." While claiming to just ask questions, no real questions are asked. Instead wild assertions and unfounded claims are put forward as truth.

          I don't call names when I have no credible answers. I call names when some nut case decides to make up an issue out of thin air and present it as if it is fact.

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            Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Shall I respond with the same level of intellectualism?  I know you are, but what am I?  Seriously?  This is actually embarrassing.  Let’s stick to the topic, not some kind of meandering personal attack that does absolutely nothing to further the debate. 

            Again, the thread is about whether or not President Obama is an avid skeet shooter or not.  He is not, and you know it.  Deflecting the truth into derogatory attacks doesn’t negate the reality of his statements.  President Obama lied, and you can’t accept that anybody would dare question him on this.  We must not question the president, ever?  Get over it.  That’s politics.  I am not a nut, a truther , or a racist, because I disagree with the president or feel that he is playing politics.  I simply disagree with him.  Can’t anybody disagree with President Obama, or his tactics, without being stereotyped into some category? 

            Let's see your evidence.  Prove he is an avid skeet shooter.

  16. Reality Bytes profile image94
    Reality Bytesposted 3 years ago

    Where is the Elmer Fudd hat?

    https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQyBhl4ofNsZxMOXlWb1uUIDltH5za36kpnPKkvLdXjdytopOBvqw

    He looks as heroic as Michael Dukakis driving a tank!

    lol

    1. LiamBean profile image89
      LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      On your head?

      https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQyBhl4ofNsZxMOXlWb1uUIDltH5za36kpnPKkvLdXjdytopOBvqw



      Really? I wonder how you'd look in a similar situation.

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        Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        There's a picture of President Obama skeet shooting.  Thus, he must be an avid skeet shooter.  There's a picture of Willie Nelson in the White House too.  Thus, he must have been president.

        I'd be shooting the pigeon while it's high in the air, if I were an avid skeet shooter.

        1. LiamBean profile image89
          LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Or if you were testing your aim and skill you might actually let it get way out there before taking the shot.

          See? I can make stuff up too. The difference is my "made up" is more credible than yours.

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            Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Based on your statements, you are absolutely right.  You do make up a lot of stuff.

            1. LiamBean profile image89
              LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Actually that's your schtick not mine.

              To demonstrate, I had a long barreled full choke bolt-action goose gun. This is precisely the type of shot I'd take with it.

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                Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                What's your point?  Your argument is digressing.

                1. LiamBean profile image89
                  LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  You said: "I'd be shooting the pigeon while it's high in the air, if I were an avid skeet shooter."

                  You may have forgotten that you said that; I did not.

      2. Reality Bytes profile image94
        Reality Bytesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Just like everyone else!

        https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQMea0xEQyPjgcgYgf5KULNa6xC_ChDcrshxozZT7pD9_sCIVW8

  17. pagesvoice profile image85
    pagesvoiceposted 3 years ago

    I am nauseated by the hatred shown to our first African American President! As a child no one spewed filthy hatred toward other political people like they do today. Gee, would a nation morn  for Obama like they did for President Kennedy if something happened to him? I think not. The uneducated far right, have no respect for our president simply because they are simplistic...pure and simple. How's that for redundancy? Aah, my guns and my prejudiced Bible, coupled with the talking points of  multimillionaires who earn their dough by vomiting up conspiracy theories, distrust, education is evil, don't trust the government, unless you're hit with a natural disaster or want to drive on roads and bridges and you want your check at the end of the month. I loathe stupidity and I really loathe those who never learned or forgot that there is "US" in the "United States."

    1. LiamBean profile image89
      LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I grew up with a grandmother who was rabidly racist and parents who were mildly so. As such I shared much of the racism until I got out on my own and began interacting the the "inferior" black, latino, chinese, and what have you.

      I quickly learned that much of my taught racism was immune to good old fashioned common sense. When I finally realized that the only difference between my doubting one person's word over another person's word was based entirely on skin color I had an epiphany.

      After that I re-read or made a point of watching speeches by Martin Luther King or Malcolm X, or Eldridge Cleaver or Maya Anjelou or Coretta King. Their words held a fascination for me, because everything they said could apply to this white southern raised former racist. We are no different. Color is only a few skin cells deep and it has a function after all. To protect the wearer from the harsh rays of a equatorial sun.

      In the last ten years the concept that all humans originated in Africa has taken firm hold in my mind. As such we are all black Africans, some with lighter skin pigment than others. That is all.

      In the last forty years I've watched as rights have waxed and waned, primary due to how loudly and stealthily the pocket racists can spew hate. By avoiding the labels of the past, and by applying standards that they themselves cannot meet, they've managed to re-frame the old racist dialog without using racist terms. It is still obvious though.

      And it is disgusting.

      1. pagesvoice profile image85
        pagesvoiceposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you for such a well thought out response. I'm glad you realized how debilitating racism and hatred can be. It is such a simple concept...live and let live. Unfortunately, there are those so mired in my way or the highway thinking, that they refuse to see the forest before the trees. I've written about my experiences as a white child and my exposure to flagrant and blatant racism while visiting the old south. I am so proud I grew up in the area of Harriet Tubman and the Underground Railroad.

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      Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, President Bush received the same level of support and respect too.  I do not hate President Obama; I hate his politics.  I am not uneducated; I simply disagree with you.  When a conservative disagrees with a liberal, it doesn’t mean we’re uneducated or bigoted.  It only means that we disagree.

      1. LiamBean profile image89
        LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I call bull-crap on that statement. There has to be some basis for the disagreement. I think it's race.

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          Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          The disagreement is over guns.  I do not wish to lose my rights.  Many of us believe that President Obama lied about being an avid skeet shooter, so he could endear himself to gun owners.  That's what this is about, not race.  How does race have anything to do with guns?  You play the race card way too much.

          1. LiamBean profile image89
            LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            And I have a well established position on fire-arms. If you are responsible citizen you should own any weapon that does not violate the NFA of 1934. This includes "scary black rifles" and extended magazines. I even feel that if you can meet the standards set forth in the NFA that you should be allowed a machine gun. It is all about responsible gun ownership. The only step that I feel needs to be taken is a universal background check for all gun sales (excluding family sales of course).

            That said this ridiculously shrill "call to arms" is based on nothing more than fear of the unknown. Obama is not capable, and he knows this, of depriving you of your precious fire-arms. It will take an act of Congress and he knows that as well.

            Everything else thrown out there, including a "fear of guns" is pure crap. The only purpose of this crap is to stir up fear and cloud the real issues.

            I think our president would be best served if he and his staff completely ignored these tea-bagger driven screeds with no foundation. Give the attention they deserve; none!

            By the way. You aren't the O.P. Whether I deviate from the topic or not may annoy you, but it will not stop me simply because you point it out.

            Besides, the larger issue is not a photo; the larger issue is race driven hyperbole.

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              Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Of course it is not about a photo, because you know you are wrong on this issue.  Thus, you deflect the issue and make it a race issue.

              The bottom line is this.  President Obama lied.  He wanted to endear himself to gun enthusiasts.  He got caught in the lie, and now it's all because of racism, according to you.

              Actually, your prejudiced opions deserve no attention. 

              Now, if you want to get all emotional and call me more names, go ahead.  Debating with you is pointless.

              1. LiamBean profile image89
                LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I know I'm dead right on this issue and so do you. You simply cannot or will not admit it.



                Prove the so called lie. I'm almost certain you'll either tell me it is obvious (it isn't) or you don't have to. You don't.



                And yet I am in the majority. Galling isn't it?



                I'm attempting to bring reason into the conversation even if I have to point out the absurd with sarcasm. But since you choose to believe the worst with no real evidence to back the absurd up then I have to agree debating with you is pointless.

                Carry on Alice.

          2. peoplepower73 profile image90
            peoplepower73posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Education Answer:  We are a culture of racists.  I'm a racists, your are a racists. we are all racists at one time or another.  The difference is, some of us are afraid to admit it.  How many times have you been in an express checkout line and an Asian person checks out with a basket full of groceries that exceeds 15 items?  You get upset right, not because of the person, but because of their race.  How many times have you talked to a customer service rep from India and couldn't understand them and made a big deal about it.  That's racism.  When people say they like Obama as a person, but not as a President.  That's code for I don't like a black president in my White House.  If Bush would have been shooting that gun, no one would have cared about it. It's O.K. to be a racists.  It's human nature, just  don't lie about it.  Come out of the closet just like the gays.  I'm  not attacking you personally. I'm just tired of people hiding behind the cloak of prejudice.  When they are with their peers, I'm sure they talk in a different manner.  I seen it and heard it so many times.  That's what the comments in this forum are about.  They just don't have the balls to say it. So they come up with he is shooting too high.  He is shooting too low.  He is afraid of guns by the way he is holding his gun.

            1. Reality Bytes profile image94
              Reality Bytesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Projecting your prejudice upon others does not make it true.

              1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                peoplepower73posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Reality Bytes:  Can you elaborate on your comment?

                1. Reality Bytes profile image94
                  Reality Bytesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Assuming that everyone judges others based on race is a personal opinion.


                  THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE

                  There's no time to discriminate,
                  Hate every mot***fuc***
                  That's in your way


                  Marilyn Manson

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                    peoplepower73posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Of course, it's my observation based on just playing living for 74 years.  When people feel safe, they say things about other races that they would not say when they feel they are not in a safe environment.

                    I think there is a difference between racism and prejudice. Racism is about criticizing a race for their behavior.  Prejudice deals with hate and is learned.  People are not born prejudice, they are taught it. 

                    I'm just trying to be truthful about how people really feel from what I have experienced.  I see and hear it every day in every walk of life. Like a said before, it's human nature to point out differences in races.

                2. Greekgeek profile image98
                  Greekgeekposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  You came up with some bizarrely race-specific examples that I never in a zillion years would've thought of. Asians clogging up grocery express lanes? What the heck? Is that like our universal prejudice against Germans driving big cars though car washes, or South American Indians smoking in no smoking zones?

                  That's why it seems like you're projecting your own racial prejudices.

                  Have you tried any Project Implicit tests to verify your own prejudices?

                  I know mine. (Bizarrely, I seem slightly prejudiced against Native American facial features, while I see African features neutrally -- the same as Causasian. In my case it's probably an unconscious preference for familiar over less familiar facial types. How about you?)

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                    peoplepower73posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I think I misunderstood the definition of the word Racism.  I thought it was just pointing out the differences in races.  But here is the definition: "A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."

                    I don't think anyone race is more superior than any other race.  I apologize to all of those I may have offended. But I still see people getting upset over the behavior of different races.

              2. LiamBean profile image89
                LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Ignoring the obvious does not make it go away.

                "None so blind as those who refused to see."

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              Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Isn't it prejudiced to assume somebody is a racist merely because they are a conservative and disagree with the president?  People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

              1. LiamBean profile image89
                LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Exactly, so why are you throwing stones?

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                  Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I'd laugh harder if I didn't think you were serious.  Your comments are beyond comical, and I can't take them seriously.  Still, I enjoyed our conversation, as it provided minutes of levity.

        2. habee profile image92
          habeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Liam, are you serious? The ONLY reason people disagree with the POTUS is because of his race??

          1. Superkev profile image85
            Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, he is, because that is all liberals really have in the end...play the race card when they have no way to defend the SCOAMF in the White House.

            Millions out of work or underemployed, Obamacare layoffs left and right, record gas and energy prices, GDP is a joke, Benghazi, on and on.

            But we don't like him because he is half black, yeah, ok.

            I don't like him because he was never qualified for the job in the first place and remains woefully out of his depth to this day. His race is not an issue, his incompetence is.

            1. LiamBean profile image89
              LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I don't play the race card; I simply point out when it is being played. You do realize, do you not, that some of the most vocal "respresentives" of the right make no bones about their racism.



              Tell that to Harry Truman.

              1. Superkev profile image85
                Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Or Sen. Robert Byrd (D) West Virginia huh there Liam??? LOL

                What was that legislation he so vehemently filibustered in 1964?? The Civil Rights Act was it??

                The hypocrisy of liberals on the race issue never ceases to astound and mystify.

                1. LiamBean profile image89
                  LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  The perfidy of the "party of Lincoln" never ceases to astound me. Now there is real hypocrisy. Especially considering that Robert Byrds party has moved on to embrace all ethnicities, genders, and religions and "The Party of Lincoln" would be quite happy if things were as they were in 1964.

                  From Wikipedia regarding Reagan's assassination attempt and the resulting changes in law regarding firearms.

                  "The shooting of Reagan widened a debate on gun control in the U.S. that the death of John Lennon in December 1980 had started. Reagan expressed opposition to increased handgun control following Lennon's death and re-iterated his opposition after his own shooting. However in a speech at an event marking the assassination attempt's 10th anniversary,[60] Reagan endorsed the Brady Act:

                      "Anniversary" is a word we usually associate with happy events that we like to remember: birthdays, weddings, the first job. March 30, however, marks an anniversary I would just as soon forget, but cannot... four lives were changed forever, and all by a Saturday-night special – a cheaply made .22 caliber pistol – purchased in a Dallas pawnshop by a young man with a history of mental disturbance. This nightmare might never have happened if legislation that is before Congress now – the Brady bill – had been law back in 1981... If the passage of the Brady bill were to result in a reduction of only 10 or 15 percent of those numbers (and it could be a good deal greater), it would be well worth making it the law of the land. And there would be a lot fewer families facing anniversaries such as the Bradys, Delahantys, McCarthys and Reagans face every March 30.
                  "

                  The Brady Act requires that background checks be conducted on individuals before a firearm may be purchased from a federally licensed dealer, manufacturer or importer—unless an exception applies. If there are no additional state restrictions, a firearm may be transferred to an individual upon approval by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) maintained by the FBI.

                  This was approved by Reagan, passed by congress, and signed into law.

                  1. Superkev profile image85
                    Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Sorry, hard to type when I am laughing so hard smile

                    Liam, you are one for the books mate LOL

          2. LiamBean profile image89
            LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            In many ways President Obama is even more conservative than Ronald Reagan. Considering this reality I find it hard to believe that all the criticism, or even some of it, is not race based.

            It is quite clear to me that race is a major factor for Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, and Anne Coulter. Limbaugh and Coulter in particular are racist to the nth degree.

  18. LiamBean profile image89
    LiamBeanposted 3 years ago

    How the NRA maintains it's membership. A little arm-twisting, a promise of support, and an insistence that members of a gun club also be members of the NRA...or else.

    http://news.yahoo.com/u-gun-clubs-nra-m … 26441.html

    1. Superkev profile image85
      Superkevposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Really? LOL Somehow you manage to read in to that article that the NRA "forced" people to join?

      Either your reading comprehension is at about a 4th grade level or you are just delusional. Nowhere in that  article does it claim the NRA coerced anyone in to joining. It _does_ say that a_private_club required it as a condition of joining -Which they are perfectly allowed to do, are they not?

      There was no "or else" anyplace in that article. Talk about hyperbole. Actually, it's just making crap up. 

      Do you work for MSNBC by any chance?? LOL

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        Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Superkev,
        Racism is the cause.  These people jointed because of racism.  Just as LiamBean.

        1. LiamBean profile image89
          LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Personal attacks Education Answer?

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            Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            No, I'm just making observations, just like you do.  Here's one observation. I noticed that you didn't answer Habee's question.  Here it is:

            Liam, are you serious? The ONLY reason people disagree with the POTUS is because of his race??

            1. LiamBean profile image89
              LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              You often don't answer mine. We are even.

      2. LiamBean profile image89
        LiamBeanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        And the NRA had nothing whatever to do with the "join the NRA or lose your club membership requirement." I see.

        I'm not the one with reading comprehension problems, but I'm sure anyone following this thread with more then a few brain cells can see that for themselves.

 
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