With so much vocal an organizational opposition to President Obama and his policies (such as they are) after only 9 months in office, is such criticism warranted? Does the opposition reflect minority intolerance, or a fear of growing minority influence?
It is None of the above!
It is a fight to keep the Constitution and its implided privelages given to Free citizens, in tact. Nothing to do with race at all, but all to do with preventing socialist change. All to do with Jobs, and earning your way, not give aways. All about preventing supressive taxation, and Goverment over controls so you can not live free, while the Goverment machine takes peoples earned money away. Claiming The very Goverment; This President Took the Oath for, is flawed? We are loosing rights, systematicaly. He is to dis-honest in his ideas and truths.
Dont play the race card for political or personal purpose, its a no go with me and many many others. If you want to re-distribute anything re-distribute my work ethic. I made the Money, I made my life, and you or any one else, is not entitled to it. I made it, I earned it! You did not make it for me.
Go make your own life first, then bitch about it. Laws are well in place to prevent race problems, constitutional admendments are in place to gaurantee all citizens their rights. So You are free and can do this for yourself. Instead of waisting time twisting the emotions, playing with and baiting race. This is crap.
We are in the the year 2009 not 1930, go to work and make it happen for yourself and enjoy that. Its a free country at least for now Until these blind following Obama-ites screw it into the ground! Right now it has a Political system that works well, and will work once he is out of office for good.
501 and 7(a) Loans are there for you reguardless of color or gender, or anything for that matter,The Banks are tougher, yes. But are open if you have a reasonable Business idea and a plan. So take a chance and be very sucessfull. Use the privelages of this Free country, and have sucess. You deserve that.
I wish you well.
Stop lying! You dont wish the man well. You could be talking to a Doctor, a Lawyer, or an Indian Chief. Yet all you saw was some welfare Cheat that wants to "help the government take Ma Money". <snipped personal attack> Most of the people taking your money are up those mountains I'm sure live in or near. The republican and conservative have lost their minds because a Black Man is in the White House! Stop trying to explain it away. You're self destructing right before the nations eyes. Nobody even wants to admit they are a Republican because the racist nuts that have taken over what use to be the GRAND OLD PARTY of this country.
There's considerable truth in what you say, that is, there is a significant racial element in the opposition to Obama as there was during the election campaign. The racist tea bagger signs are a fact that can't be denied. (However, the racist signs were not numerous compared to those accusing Obama of being a fascist, communist, socialist, etc.)Perhaps greater opposition is coming simply from the so-called leaders in the GOP who for political reasons are trying to sink Obama's ship, and even more so from the drug and insurance companies who are fighting to kill health care reform and/or to turn it to their financial advantage.
We are not against his skin color but his policies. How dare you use the race card, when it is the policies, i.e. liberalism and communism that is coming out of this guy that we are against. We hate Bill Ayers, what color is he? It is not race, Wake up people!!!!
Interesting. Where was such an elegant defense of the Constitution when Bush and Co. was gutting it with warrantless wiretapping of American citizens, the overuse of the FISA (secret courts) to obtain secret searches of the property of American citizens, redention of suspects (I'm talking about those with no obvious ties to terrorist organizations...i.e., unaffiliated innocents), and the declaration of an otherwise unfounded war in Iraq? It seems you have more of an allegience to anger and ideological dogma than to reality. You are too bias to have any credibility.
Yes..."only" (what...too broad of a concept?). I myself gave former President Bush the benefit of the doubt for far longer when he was elected...until his policies showed his bad decision-making. Nine months after taking office is a few weeks in political time. Give the newly-elected adminstration a chance before you condemn it. Base any judgments on actual performance, not ideological differences (trust me, I can name plenty of conservative ideas which failed the country).
Obama has had a free pass with the media from Day 1. The media was overwhelming giving him the best press through the primaries (against Hillary) and against McCain.
Even with his shady background friends, the press quickly passed over it.
Now, the media is questioning his decisions after 9 months in office.
It's about time the press and comedy shows (SNL, late night) start to openly question Obama.
He has enjoyed the easiest road to the Presidency when it comes to press but now his smooth talking can't win them over anymore.
We want results!
Sure, I think some of it is. Why not? The great thing about America is we all have the right to ask opposing questions of our leaders, fellow citizens, and neighbors. It is how we handle ourselves, and to what level of respect is openly expressed- when we ask such questions. Moreover though, it is our basic right as tax-paying citizens to question the rights and wrongs of the governing leadership. Great question, thank you for bringing this topic to the forums.
It has been nothing but a ton of bitching and hype, from the war mongers/hate-seekers residing in the Republican "loony-bin" section.
Of course it's warranted!! We have a right to free speech and dissent! I don't think the vocal opposition is all that organized either especially when compared to the organizational support behind the president.
People are not opposed to him because of his race, at least I don't believe most people are. I believe most people want to support him, the man, and want him to succeed. The problem is his policies, so far, are socialistic and unworkable. History has shown rising tax rates lead to reduced economic activity AND reduced revenues when they are too high! Obama has a very large social agenda and he's trying to get it all done at a time when jobs, the economy, and the national debt need attention. His agenda will hurt the economy and destroy jobs. Most Americans know this and that's why they're opposed, especially to his health care plan and cap and trade!
Why are minority intolerance and a fear of growing minority influence the only choices you offer?
What I find funny is a report that because of the reaction the rebublicans have had to this latest test with healthcare and reinforcing the party platform of just say no, a recent poll survey revealed that Obama has gained back a few popularity points.
I guess when you go negative that is the result you reap.
Kind of hard to say anything when you are (literally) locked out, and we'll see what is "reaped" soon enough. There are already bellweather elections coming to a head and next year will really tell the tale, hopefully pointing Ocarter toward the exit.
The opposition started well before the actual election. Whether it was for political, economic, security or racial reasons everyone weighed in on it and what an election it created. So the continuation is only inevitable and some of it is warranted and other is sour grapes. The best ones are the predictors of doom and gloom, alarmists to say the least.
I find it funny that so many people who are so opposed to him spend so much negative energy and create nothing but hard feelings. Rather than concentrating on the positive aspects and working on the negative ones, they would rather do nothing but wait until 2012. What a waste of three years and what a futile wait to do nothing about it again in 2012 with a possible switch of power.
Yep, but to be fair, it goes both ways. I remember how much liberals and Dems were foaming at the mouth when Bush was in office, and the Conservatives and GOP under Clinton. I really disliked Bush, just reminding everyone how much vehement hatred people had of Bush. Just being fair in pointing out both:)
The difference is that Clinton and Bush took it like men and just went about their day and handled the big issues and got results.
Obama Drama and his administration are always on the attack and giving pep-rally type speeches. It's clear the public and political figures are not happy with his practices. There must be reasons, right?
Plus, the House BARELY passed the healthcare bill when the Democrats have a CLEAR majority. His OWN party is torn with his policies. Think about it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see his screwing things up with his ideas.
Back to the initial questions...
The nature of a democratic government makes "criticisms" critical to continue operating under its founding ideology of Majority Rule. The greater number of criticisms, the more it is paid attention to-- under a truly democratic government. Lobbyists, campaign contributions, corporate ownership of major media networks, conspiracy theories, political rhetoric, simple pier pressure, ETC., have come to offer much confusion over this principal. But, as I choose to continue to believe in this founding principal-- yes, criticism is always warranted (even if it simply makes us all think about the issues).
The "opposition reflecting minority tolerance" issue speaks to people's fear and therefor to every individual. Personally, I have no such fear. I believe that a person is as a person does. I can't speak for others; but my impression is that the majority of people, at the time of Obama's election, wanted to be perceived as "modern" or "hip" or even "unprejudiced"-- so they voted for him, appearing to be a convenient balance between "a person of color" and "white" (and to get anyone who resembled a Bush outta' there). Then, many started listening to pier groups around them and fell back into a place of fear with "My God, what have I done? I went against the familiar status-quo!" This was coupled with politically-charged jargon spewed out by the usual "hate groups." Dissension started forming within weeks of his election. So, yes, "minority tolerance" does play into the current "dissension", via what people choose to believe. But also the nagging question "Is Obama actually accomplishing anything he promised?" plays a part. I know how difficult it is to accomplish anything on Capitol Hill, without the strong, active and continuous support of the grass-roots people that elected you-- and, in that vein, I believe he has accomplished at least a new awakening for Americans to issues they may not have recognized before. I applaud and welcome awakenings!
As to the rest: I believe that if, when we all go to the polls to elect our next President, that we stop that voice that says "What would my friends or family think?" and "If I vote for this person it would damage the campaign of my SECOND, perceived-to-be-MORE POPULAR choice"; and simply vote for THE PERSON who truly reflects your ideals-- we'd have a much more interesting and perhaps more Democratic race.
neither. His policies are directed at wealth re-distribution and bigger government control. This American does not want or need big daddy government to intrude
It's funny...I didn't see anything about race in those comments.
I took it to mean he meant a minority of the country were intolerant, or afraid of the minority ruling...
It's not him it's liberal politics and dishonesty!
Really? Dishonestly? So, the misinformation about non-conservative proposals (e.g., "death panels"), the Republicans/conservatives caught up (along with many Democrats) in the Congressional scandals of the last class of Congress (Tom DeLay, Bill Frist,Jack Abramoff, etc.), the hypocrisy of the conservative idea about "family values" contrasting the behavior of those promoting it (Bob Barr, Mark Foley, John Ensign, Larry Craig, etc.), and promoting one's political party as "fiscally conservative" yet voting to help balloon the national debt is what you call "honesty?" Yes....your implied point about the conservatives being the salt-of-the-political-Earth is well taken.
I said nothing about democrats or republicans. I said liberal policy's gay rights-loser, health-loser, education reform-loser, bail-outs-loser,military statagy-loser, enviromental policy-loser, forgien policy-loser, abortion-loser and socialism-loser. Now if you want to talk morals liberals don't even know the definition of morals gay rights-please, pornography-please and abortion-please. Those are all family oriented issues and where do liberals stand on those. Lastly I'm an Independant I pick who and what I think is right,I would never tow a party line. True conservatives(not the phoneys) are more apt to promote buisness-jobs, no abortion on demand-lives, no gay marraige-morallity, strong defense-no surrender monkeys, no bail-outs-let the free market handle it, healthcare-for WORKING AMERRICANS, lower taxes-stimulate growth, close the borders-security and no government ownership of buisness-socialism. Your liberal position noted.
This is close to the truth, but read between the line(s). It is politics and dishonesty. Not liberal politics and dishonesty however, general political dishonesty. Republicans and so-called Conservative Independents (that so happen to always agree with Republicans) are feeding an array political dishonesty into the fray! It is impressive to see the Republican following so overwhelmingly motivated to be vocal and stand up for the Rush/Fox message. If they could use that influence for something that was actually more purposeful for the majority of Americans, as opposed to just a selfish agenda, I would be right out there with you guys.
How about we give them money, a new car, open our borders and offer the world free healthcare and only tax those above 60,000 a year. Sound good? Well as far as conservatives(independants) go the democrats went so far south they don't even know where middle is! There are so may clowns that they've lost touch with reality now it's the march of the lemmings!
I'm afraid I read into it what dutchman did. The OP may seek to correct me, but the question does imply that race is fueling the opposition. It's not true from where I sit, and it's insulting to the majority of conservatives who aren't so concerned with race. It's his politics that bother me.
If race was fueling the opposition-- how did he get elected?
The election proved that race was not a factor.
I agree. Yet, the implication of racism is bandied about dangerously. It's a cheap trick. Of course there are backwards people (some of them democrats who refused to vote) who don't like that a black man is in office, but it's an unfair indictment to imply that the vocal opposition consist wholly of this element.
No it pretty much proved many voters (primarily the swing vote) are foolhardy, easily deceived, and uninformed.
The idiotic logic behind many of my party's opposition, proves it is playing a factor NOW. Just because it was not playing a factor nine months ago, does not prove that it is not playing a factor now. As a Republican, from the Southern side of Missouri- it is a factor now.
There is a reason why they call the Republican party the "Good 'ole Boys Club." Ten minutes of Rush- is proof enough. God I wish that man would seriously shut up, along with Cheney.
The global agenda/game plan always works like a charm...
When do people shake loose from this Alice in Wonderland dream???There is NO 2 party government...devide and rule has always used these kind of tricks to distract people from what is really going on....
The whole "race" thing is in our minds... once you realize that this is JUST what has been planned all along and BHO (Barack Hussein Obama) is just the right puppet to do their dirty job...follow the money and you'll always find the one's responsible of creating world events and sponsoring both sites.. ahhh nobody knew that grand father bush was accused and found guilty of sponsoring Hitlers nazi germany (IG Farben now Bayer)??? If my grand dad would have had such a record I could never ever become a president lol
Left or right, republican or democrat.....sometimes I am getting tired of people still arguing amongst themselves even while their basic liberties and freedoms are being taken away so they can ALL feel save again (and imprisoned) havent we learned enough by now? Nvere heard off the phrase "HISTORY repeats itself??"
I am very aware of the phrase. And see a very dangerous part a history trying to repeat itself. I'm not going for it.
You're very correct. Denial isn't a river in Egypt. They may have hijacked the true Christians on their way.But I have never known any true Christians who would join a club named anything like "Skull & Bones". True Christians would never boast of having and would absolutely refute having the head of Geronimo and Poncho Villa for toys. Yet- Christians continue to vote that way. Never mind there has been a majority of of republicans in the "houses" to pass abortion laws, which is the only reason Christians vote "that way". Democrats hope that things will be better. Dems so often, maybe mostly have great hearts. I agree with you that there is one party. Evidence? It all works for the top one per cent. More later- keep the faith.
Well, this is what happens when you vote for someone simply because of their ("half") race. I have been saying since the start of his campaign that some factors will call him 'black' when he fuc*s up and another will call him 'white".
Additionally, there are actual websites that focus on nothing much more than bashing him and the Democratic party. I have written a few reviews on one particular website. I would include the link here but I honestly don't recall the name. Then again, we tend to forget that we are supposed to support our presidents whether we personally voted for them or not.
So much for good sportsmanship in America. The truth is, a significant amount of people who talk sh*t about others are not smart enough to come up with anything better. Now back to writing hubs!
The global agenda/game plan always works like a charm...
You are correct. There is a game plan to keep all citizens busy with disagreeing with trivialities while a more sinister scheme is the real agenda. I am glad that America has a Black president. However, if there is no re-investigation into 911,then Obama is Bush 4 with a cuter smile. If you count the Clinton years then it's Bush 6. We could include the years when people and Reagon thought he was in charge- Bush 8. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is voting for evil. Democrats and republicans need to seriously consider being deprogrammed. It's not working folks. It never had. I need not offer mountains of evidence that is available on the WWW. I can prove my point simply from my own experiences. I can't waste time with the "thoroughly convinced" about America being "for real". I need not offer past examples of fraud from our courts. There will be one next week in the news, or the week after. There's just a huge club keeping everyone busy and "at" one another. Political stances are used more for arguing and hating than getting anything really constructive done. We're being had. Please, it's time to wake up.
My next choice for president would be Cynthia McKinney. She is black. I will not vote for her because she is black or because she is a woman but because she has already stood against the real powers that be.
It's not exactly 100% true that there is no difference between the parties, though I could wish for far, far more than does exist. However, if you bring it down to the level of how your life is personally affected in at least the short term, there are differences that can definitely be identified.
Personal example: Reagan rolled back personal income taxes considerably for those earning significant amounts. His cuts were still in force when I was fortunate to build a sales organization that made a chunk of money for a number of years. During that time, my calculations are that his tax cuts saved me something over $275,000 in taxes. I appreciate that--though of course I'd prefer no tax whatsoever.
Personal example: As soon as Obama was elected, the gas drilling boom in western Colorado went into a nosedive. By February my truck driving job in that field was toast, and on Dec. 2, my former Colorado home will be sold at foreclosure. Had McCain and his Drill Here Drill Now partner (Sarah Palin) been elected, I'd still be driving a truck for a living instead of not working for any paycheck in Arizona.
Still, there are benefits. When driving 60 to 70 hours per week on full time night shift in those rugged mountains during all sorts of weather, I had neither time nor energy available for commenting on HP forums. So I thank you, Mr. HALF black President, for knocking me out of work.
Now, I disagree as well regarding the point about losing my racist, conservative mind over Mr. Obama's election. Since he's only half, must it not be true that I've only lost HALF of my racist, conservative mind because of his being elected? Which, actually, I have--the left half.
You are a prime example of why I should not try to convince the "thoroughly convinced". I won't try. Good luck out there in Republican world. You have not a clue and don't want one. The "government" has worked for you or you think it has. Sorry I won't waste my carpel tunnel on you. 911 was an inside job. Until there is a re-investigation- our government is a fraud no matter what political affiliation you want to be.
Rummy goes on the telly the day before 911 and says there is 1.13 trillion dollars missing from the pentagon. On 911 a "flying object is heading straight for Rummy's office. It makes a 300 plus degree variation that is impossible for the "Arab" who was supposed to be flying it and slams right into a section where accountants and records are kept. Thre World Trade Center buildings go down exactly the same as if they are being imploding. One such building is a world record. Two is another world record. It has never happened before. Throw in building seven that people forget about or ignore and you have a conspiracy. Now until you educate yourself I can't waste time with you. You can't de-convince the thoroughly brain washed.
And I saw bigfoot with granny from the beverly hillbillies walking with Elvis the other day.
Check out Loose Change
Veterans for truth
If not-join the Marine Corps like I did.
But you're way smarter than these pilots, vets, etc.
Join the Marine Corps? Too late bro, joined almost 30 years ago! And what will that teach me about the paranoia on display?
What was your MOS? Where did you serve? If you're speaking about paranoia in me you're out your stupid mind. I'm not afraid of anything- you- Obama Bin Bush or whoever you can drag up. You're an insulting bully, used to getting your way that way. Still no research on your on. Bit lazy if you ask me which you wouldn't, just full of the same old rhetoric. That gets us where we are. You are nothing new.
I've been through more poopoo than you. Intimidate me? Give it your best shot. I will bow out of this useless conversation. You're overwhelmed. You just keep going to the same classes for your dis-information. Goodbye and Semper Fi- let's be always faithful for a better purpose and outcome!
My Occupation changed several times 0311 0321 and the rest is none of your business. Nobody is trying to bully you and I don't care how much PooPoo you were in. If we were gonna have a pissing contest then maybe you would win maybe not, we will never know. Semper Fidelis always!
Oh man, a truther! There was a show a while back showing some of their theories are not too sound, and they refuse to believe the science. Oh well, you're not convincing me, either, so call me distrustful of .gov but brainwashed nonetheless.
You've done little homework. It's like the argument against pollutants/global warming, etc.
If you think auto gasses and such are good for the environment -do a test- go into your/a garage crank your car up.
Test. If you're against marijuana laws being repealed we'll go for a bike ride. You, Lance Armstrong, whoever. You guys drink all I'd like you to and I'll smoke pot all that you'd like me to. Do some research of your own. So you're the disinformation representative to ridicule any proposition from your own. You offer nothing. You just use playground bullying- "Oh man, a truther!" What is sound? Three world records in one day within blocks of each other? You want to look at the radar facts about the "plane" going into the pentagon or I guess it's too easy to write dissent off as insanity. Do some research and get back to me. Do some homework of your own instead of this school yard but proven tactic of discrediting the messenger.
You're right, that was disrespectful. Let's just go forward knowing that no amount of effort on your part is going to convince me 9/11 was anything other than a terrorist attack. If I'm wrong, I'm comfortable with that. Why do people around here like to make assumptions about people they just met in forums? It must be because everyone has three or four alter egos, so no one is who they say they are. Either way, I don't need to have an evangelical conspiracy theorist try to tell me what to believe, okay.
First question: Yes, Why? Because my President believes the Constitution of the United States is a flawed document. I do not.
Second question: No, see explanation above.
Any group with too much power is a risk there has to desent it keeps things in balance. Yes, his closet looks like it's full of crap too! If one group goes unchallenged they can convince themselves they can run amock. This balance keeps both sides from doing too much damage.
Good to see you too.
I've been staying out of the forums. I couldn't take anymore forum topics, about another drunk Irishman.
Been holding down the fort?
Nooo...I'm off, too. They won't ban certain trolls with a penchant of following me around. Just not worth it.
Debate is disintegrating. lol But good to see an old timer, .
I completely agree. I'm just sitting under the radar until they begin to pop in, and then I'm outta here. But hey good to see you too. Nice work you've been putting out lately. Keep it up!
Maybe we could have an old-timers forum?
And Misha, if you mean me, you really do have a problem.
Would have to be you, RK. lol Both Mark and I have issues with trolls and somewhat following that, mgmt. haha
Anyway, gotta go to work. Expect to see an 'old timers' thread when I come back, .
As long as a certain condescending bitch is banned from it, I am all for it!
I find it interesting?
Is the opposition to President Obama warranted?
To be a completely LOADED question, to say the least and already of much debate across the Country, we know as America.
How ever, what many people forget is that he was elected by a very LARGE margin, because many citizens are tired of the politics already in Washington.
Liberal, Conservatives and other Moderates are sincerely a laughing and running joke. These people are no better than the paper used to print America's money.
You want to know WHY there is opposition to the President and his programs? Because, there are too many bigoted ignorant fools already in office, who out-right refuse to change their methods, because they have been reaping the rewards from BIG business for years, at the expense of the citizenry.
These are the SAME people who have been in office or held a political position for a decade or longer. Some of them are RACISTS and wish a "black" man was never elected.
I'm also positive, those who come from down south, which still till this day, has racial tensions, even as high as Judical positions. As an example: see the recent Judical misconduct that had happened- the fact of a inter-racial marriage license application was DENIED and/or not approved.
If you think this opposition has NOTHING to do with race....then you've obviously made the wrong call.
Stop and think about- A 'black' man is running the most freed country in the World, which less than 100 years ago was strictly for 'white' people only. Black people were oppressed for the longest time and now that is in the highest office in the country.....the minority feel a sense of entitlement coming their way and that simply doesn't josh in Washington, because those in power don't want things to change.
If things change....they could very well be out of job and then more and more 'black' people could be possibly in office and this scares the hell out of them.
So, if they can make him fail.....then there is less of chance another 'black' person would want to challenge the already powerful authority in office.
President Obama campaigned - BREAKING the "status quo" in Washington.....which many people do not understand what that means? Do you?
I do. And you know what- I didn't vote.
If you're unsure what he meant by the 'status quo'? It was in reference to the strangle-hold 'business' has on Congress.
The strangle-hold 'business' has on Congress is literally killing society and must be changed, in order to progress forward in a faster way. The present morons in office(not including Obama) continue to exploit weaknesses within America's citizenry, so they can keep the country separated and at each others throats.
A divided country is more easily conquered. If you divide the country, no matter how you do it, you can manipulate them into doing whatever you want.
If you don't want to accept what I've said...that is your choice. But, I can honestly say- I've watched what past administrations have done and absolutely NONE of them have provided any form of stability in America, which is another thing President Obama wants to do, but gets flack for.
Again, if you think this is not a racial problem...then you have mistaken. It is precisely what it is about.
Thats a very sad assessment, I'm sorry you think so little of white Americans.
It's not my assessment of white Americans.
So, please refrain from putting words in my mouth.
Read what I wrote and get back to me.
I was talking about the POLITICIANS in office.
President Obama would have NEVER been elected if it wasn't for the average 'white' American citizen.
So, before you rant and rave about what I know....re-read my statement.
"I'm also positive, those who come from down south, which still till this day, has racial tensions, even as high as Judical positions. As an example: see the recent Judical misconduct that had happened- the fact of a inter-racial marriage license application was DENIED and/or not approved."
A point of clarification. The south does not have the market cornered on "racial tensions" as you put it. The reporting of this has NOT been accurate. When you apply for a marriage liscense, you present ID and Birth Cert..both parties must be present. You pay your 35 dollars and you get a marriage license.
What appears to have happened is one of the following:
1. The couple attempted to get a 72 hr waiting period waiver. In Louisiana you must have a license to marry for 72 hrs prior to the wedding. However you can go and get a waiver from a Judge. They asked, he refused.
2. The couple approached this jackass and asked him to Marry them. He refused.
3. In Louisiana you can practically have anyone marry you. However a member of the Clergy, registered with the clerk of court, a Judge or a Justice of the Peace must sign the marriage license. The couple simply asked this clown for his signature and he refused.
In either case its not as you described. Not your fault, the media has mis-reported it as well. Here is what I find MOST disturbing. ABC News got a quote from another JOP, stating that he should have just told them he was busy that day!
Judge Vernon Wilty, also a justice of the peace, says Bardwell's actions have brought unwanted attention to all who hold the office. "It doesn't make us look good at all and it's a shame" Wilty says.
Wilty also acknowledges he disagrees with what Bardwell's done saying, "If he would've said I'm sorry but I'm busy at that time and I can't do it, but here's a list but just to come out and say because you're a black person and a white person, that I'm not going to do your wedding, I don't know if that's the way it should've been handled."
Here is what I suspect happened....The NAACP/ACLU stung this clown. They knew he was going to do, exactly what he did. Good on them. Hopefully the comments this other clown made didn't go unoticed....
You couldn't be more wrong!!! It's not about race at all, except when the left pulls the "racist" card to squash dissent! Talk about politics? Obama was supposed to bring change to Washington, and he's more Parisian than anyone!
Bring change to Washington?
What change are you talking about?
The 'Change' left in our pockets when all these bills are passed!
Well, if previous administrations did their damn job....HE wouldn't be in this position in the first place.
But, no they couldn't do what is in the best interests of citizens.....they could only take what they want and screw the rest of us.
There won't be any change when he gets done with us! Our deficit has tripled under Obama. Moody's last year said in 10 years they would have to downgrade our debt...this year they said we will get that downgrade in 3 to 5 years! Obama and his advisers are bankrupting this nation! Advancing a socialists agenda by giving away money they don't have, by redistributing wealth not just around the country, but around the world!
interesting comment, seeing how there are numerous members of the bush cabal who were allowed to keep their positions within the new administration.
The opinions on a forum dont give a true picture of reality most times,IMO
All I can say is it's now been six and a half years since a judge ruled it to be constitutionally sound for Fox (or any news organization for that matter) to deliberately distort news events and downright lie about them (citing the 1st Amendment, no less). Not great for the consumers of news, but doubleplusgood for the folks over at the Ministry of Truth.
MSNBC,CNN,CNBC and the networks certainly have taken advantage of that ruling!
Pretty much across the board, the news stopped being the news a long time ago.
In my opinion, news is still news, it's just what kind of news is covered. For example, with Obama's Health Plan, MSNBC has been running tear jerker segments with people who lost their insurance, even if it's their fault, and children who are terminal, not getting care (right!), while Fox is running news about the political and financial aspect. Both are news, just swayed to attract a different opinion.
No news in America is objective.
It's ALL bias.
Each individual ownership group has their own agenda, depending on where they sit?
Totally agree. As a broadcasting major, that was the first thing we learned. No wonder Cronkite decided to check out on us.
The White House said President Barack Obama will be coming to Jacksonville next week as part of a two-day trip to Florida.
The president is scheduled to arrive Monday. The same day, he will attend a fundraiser for congressional candidates in Miami.
A White House official wouldn't say what the purpose of the Jacksonville stop will be.
News was always biased and will always be biased. News is written, produced and read by people. People have opinions. Also people don't like to be wrong so they tend to want to find support for their opinions and arguments.
That said, what's different about today's news as to years past is back in the early days of radio and TV news was a public service. The press had a responsibility to be the skeptics, to question power and authority. The news back then didn't make money and the networks didn't care about them making money.
Today news is entertainment. Opinions matter because ratings matter. If you want a particular demographic to advertise to, you'll have a particular news broadcast. Usually the younger audience, a much sought after demographic, will tend to watch a more liberal graphic. They can't help it, they don't know any better. The principles all sound good to them. Fairness, equality, wealth distribution, are attractive ideas to those just struggling to make it in the world.
If they are watching liberal news how do you explain Fox ratings? Its usually 2 to 1 for fox
Fox appeals to d different demographic. Don't forget, Fox news has a more conservative audience and the conservative media is much smaller in the mainstream. MSNBC, NBC, CBS, and CNN all compete for the same younger, (and more liberal), demographic. To be fair ratings wise, you'd have to total them and compare that to Fox, but then the Fox demographic would tend to be older I believe.
FNC – 2,511,000viewers
CNN— 628,000 viewers
MSNBC –861,000 viewers
CNBC – 127,000 viewers
HLN – 658,000 viewers
These are prime time stats, for news only!
It only shows theres hope for mid-term elections. I doubt middle America will miss twice.
Good for Fox "News" (not really news, but obviously a very successful opinion channel). Murdoch really found an untargeted niche, recognizing the popularity of right-wing talk radio and moving them to TV, and exploited it. I'm sure he's laughing all the way to the bank.
At any rate, more people watch Judge Judy than all the news channels combined, so I wouldn't read into the numbers that much. It makes sense that since the Right is the opposition now, they're going to want to feed on partisan commentary even more now. And of course you shouldn't assume that all Fox viewers are mindless Republican drones, either.
Unfortunately from what I personally have witnessed since the election, race has played a part in people's base opinion. Neighbors & family members always begin political discussions with words such as immigrants and socialism, then devolve into 'you can never trust a black man'. Kinda scary. I do understand everyone is not like this; they can disagree with social policies without viewing race (Obama's black? No way, next thing you'll be tellin me Michael Jackson's not white) but from what I have witnessed very few fellow citizen's are doing their homework. Labels like socialism, abortion, communism, liberal, left wing are bandied around to be as shocking as George Carlin's 7 words - meant to get attention and push the limits but really not accomplish anything. By this I mean people just stop at the label, define it by what their own personal emotional reactions elicit - and categorize others by those definitions. At a time when we truly need to be standing together, united, we are being torn apart by a idealogical civil war. Kinda sad when you look at it.
Yes labels are used all the time, but that doesn't mean they aren't useful nor does it have anything to do with race. I don't view Obama as a black man. I view Obama as a man, period. The man, Obama is without a doubt of a liberal philosophy. He holds a belief that government has a role to play in leveling the playing field of life. I don't hate the man because he has such a view but I do disagree with him. The role of government is to encourage prosperity, not take it and redistribute it to some formula that serves the interest of government itself! This anti-capitalist sentiment prevalent in the Obama administration is in my view, anti-freedom and I will always be opposed to any man, black white or indifferent, liberal or conservative, that opposes freedom.
PoppaB, what you said was so refreshing. Thank you.
I agree that it was refreshing, but absolutely hogwash concerning most peoples point of view. I wish there were more people who didn't see a man for his color, or I'd like to add, for who they choose to go to bed with... However, they do.
Well thank you darlin! I think there are too many people trying to turn opposition into hate. They're trying to change the argument, from the issues to something totally unrelated, because then they don't have to answer questions or address the real issues. This isn't personal people! We all want what's best for the American people but we all differ on how to get it. I've lived long enough to know that you can't get to prosperity, by force. You can't tax or legislate your way there. You need people to be free. You need people to compete, to push each other to higher heights. Government doesn't do that by taking from one and giving to another. This ain't rocket science people! It's nothing new! It's all been tried before!
First, I don't believe the majority of opposition to Obama is based on race. There was a very strategic set of attacks on Clinton by the Republican elite - which their followers fell for hook, line, and sinker - and he was white. The Republicans just like to play ugly character assassination, because sometimes it's the only thing they've got (in the absence of an actual plausible policy agenda).
However, the fact that a majority of Republicans doubt Obama's birth in the U.S. suggests there is something bigoted among a majority of Republicans - maybe not because he's half-black but because he has a foreign father. I've noticed most sane Republicans don't like to acknowledge that a majority of their party indulges in this sort of insanity.
As for your thoughts on government intervention - it's, frankly, Republicans and libertarians who use the most hypothetical arguments to support their positions, while Democrats/liberals point to many actual, real-world examples of success that should be transferred or broadened.
Health care is a timely example. Republicans keep on pointing to the failures of government involvement in health care, when Medicare is the one program no one would dare kill, and most developed countries have universal coverage, with better outcomes, at half the cost as our broken system.
I personally am tired of hearing the meaningless platitudes about the evils of socialism (these same people would never get rid of socialist institutions like the military, police or fire department), and would rather see *what works* implemented. Until the conservatives can get past character attacks, obsessions with conspiracy theories and rants about socialism, they will continue to be an angry opposition party and nothing more.
Yeah, race played a major role as he was voted president BECAUSE he was black. If he was a white man with the same family, shady history and lack of experience, he would've never been voted as president.
I don't see people not liking Obama now because he's black. I don't think I've even heard/seen one person mention that.
This is not a race issue anymore (since the election). This is simply an issue of a lot of talk and no action.
Is The Opposition to President Obama Warranted?
A simple YES!
The opposition again President Obama is not warranted. He has only been in office for 9 months. When George Bush came into office after Clinton, there was a surplus of money in the treasury. Pres. Bush took the country down to the negative. He totally ruined the United States. He started two wars. He is to blame for the depression. He lifted the regulations on most of the big companies, and the Securities Exchange. The Banks went wild and the Mortgage Companies defrauded their clients. Alan Greenspan was at the helm and let it happen. The moral of the story is don't let the appointees run the country, we didn't elect them. Pres. Bush kept smiling at everything that they did!
The Republicans should not be saying anything about Pres. Obama. His race is not a card to play. He is intelligent and has a good background. If people are that prejudice, than they deserve the roten break they got! I think that African Americans have paid a price to deserve the highest office in the land. We continue to pump billions of dollars to foreign countries that hate Americans!
All very true! The so-called leaders in the GOP are trying to sink Obama's ship in every way they can with considerable help from the drug and parasitic insurance companies. Bush wrecked our foreign policy, and turned domestic policy over to oil, mining, electric power, drug companies and Wall Street banksters and to religious whackjobs who were allowed to over-rule science based on their literal interpretations of the Bible. Not to mention that he cut taxes for the very richest Americans and ran up a huge national debt by waging a foolish, unnecessary war in Iraq and neglecting our true enemies in Afghanistan.
I would think your condescending tone may be appropriate to the public school, but it is inappropriate on public forums. I don't even touch on your racist remarks. I pity your students.
It's been said before by others I respect, so I doubt it will help. However, I keep noticing stuff like this, and it does not cease to bother me. This: The lady has a right to her opinion and to express her opinion in HER country, the country she votes in and is a citizen of, Misha.
Just because, YOU, in whatever mindset you have...find her tone condescending, and in some mixed up way take it personally and feel you have to verbally "come after her," does not mean her tone actually is condescending or racist. Maybe you should try formulating and expressing an opinion/statement of your own rather than following and attacking whatever woman is currently the target as being stupid, condescending, racist, or inappropriate.
--a condescending, mean, non-sexy and not seeking it, nasty bitch (to save you some trouble).
Now tell me again how inappropriate this lady was with her personal opinion?
One thing that you seemed to forget Lita, was that I have a right to my own opinion too, even if it differs from yours. I posted it above. Live with it.
You do understand what expressing an opinion is...as a separate statement...rather than following and attacking someone you don't know personally, right?
Or could it be you really have no adequate, actual opinion on the matter and in all actuality, cannot even vote--as you are not an American citizen, as compared to the woman above you, who has a valid right to an opinion on the matter?
If that's the case, deal with it. Doing that in a positive way would mean a lot less nasty hot air. I won't even begin to utter what my considered opinion is here--though it has been well discussed.
--nasty, crude, demeaning, condescending, ugly bitch (just beating you to it again.)
Are you having a tantrum Lita?
Take a chill pill, please
Of course not! I yield the floor to the EXCELLENT debaters on Hubpages, as many of us are now doing. You rule...and how excellently, too.
There is a course in sarcasm I could recommend, but it might be along the lines of the above female teacher's class tone, so I won't do that.
You have a good day...and night, crawling the boards. I have banned myself forever, as you see. And laugh...at, uh, someone or something, lol.
Maybe "condescending tone" means that she actually posted an intelligent comment?
Politicians, ALL politicians are in it for power, money and fame. They could give a rip about this country anymore. If you doubt this you are either very, very gullible or living under a rock. ALL politicians have one goal, that is to get re-elected.
There is an old saying about politicians, it goes like this: "If their lips are moving, they are lying". This saying has never been more true than today...on both sides.
There is a solution and it is very simple; Do not vote for anybody that holds office now. Kick the whole bunch out and start with a new bunch. If the new ones blow it, kick them out. Holding an elected office was NEVER meant to be a lifelong occupation. It would be totally impossible for new elected officials to do any worse.
One example for my closing thought; If the members of the Senate, the House and the Executive branches had to live off of social security when they retire, as it is now structured for you and I, do you think it would be in the shape it is now?
I dont know but if you are going to change the people that are currently governing, how sure are you that the people who are going to replace them will be different? Could it be that there is wrong in the political system? or economic system?
Some would say that you can only judge a politician after his term and time can only tell of his achievements because some policies takes time to effect. I am just happy to be included in this sytem, there is freedom of speech!
Its hate.Plain and simple.no matter what he does it's going to be a problem.President Obama tried to bring the Olympics to America he failed,Limbaugh,Beck,Republicans,cheering on national T.V. President Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize for "inspiring the world and giving the world HOPE" thats why the president won the peace prize because he inspires and gives hope to the world but instead of being happy that the world is looking to the President of America for hope instead of looking at america with hate like they was last year they are upset that President Obama won the Nobel peace Prize calling for him to give it back.It does not matter what he does,He could cure cancer,end poverty,bring peace to the world,and it would still be a problem.It is Hate,plain ole Hate,good old fashion racism.and thats the truth .its HATE.
That logic is flawed! You can't claim that ALL opposition to Obama is hate even though I have no doubt that some is.
Obama ran as a centrist democrat, but he is ruling as a leftist one so it's only natural that there would be opposition to him. He's expanding government, raising taxes, running up the deficit, increasing debt, and destroying the dollar all at the same time. He's throwing money around like the Santa Claus in the Macy's parade throws candy at the crowds.
This isn't about hate at all but about how his policies will lead to greater joblessness and an extension of economic pain and possibly a bankruptcy of our country.
look at fox news over the last few months and tell me that this whole thing isn't about hate.did you see the secret awards for bill oreily?where one of the politicians made monkey jokes and all that.do you here limbaugh on the radio barking out halfrican?take a real good look at what the republicans are doing and you will see that I am right.the republicans are hate-mongers fear-mongers and liars.
"Is The Opposition to President Obama Warranted?"
Does anybody (including the president) think that he is immune to opposing ideas, policies, opinions...?
Of course some opposition is foolish, and some is hate. Name a president who hasn't been there. Barak Obama isn't the first president to face opposition. It's actually how democracy is supposed to work. Friction and criticism are central to our political model.
When the political fighting dies down and the opposition fades then it is time to worry. U.S politics is all about skepticism, doubt, and distrust. That's what keeps them all nearly honest most of the time.
Nothing is going to happen if people oppose Mr.Obama. He has three more years in White House. Let him finish it peacefully.
No one has any magic to undo all the ills done by your big business houses and financial institutions who committed grave irregularities. If it was in any Asian country, at least thousands, if not in millions would have gone behind bars for those irregularities.
It is upside down in America! The freedom people enjoy is not available for their leaders, including the President. He gets all the abuses, accusations, etc. First that has to be changed! A man with an iron hand should come and rule America for a decade. Then America will be right.
Did you feel the same way about G.W. Bush?
What do you mean by "iron hand"? And while your at it, What do you mean by "right"?
I think Mr.Bush never pushed himself to criticisms in the beginning. When he invaded Iraq and Afganistan, there not even a murmur in America. It was only when erratic business people spoiled the economy, and put the whole blame on him.
"Iron hand" is not to curtail the rights of right people. It is only to curtail illegal and erratic people who never care for their country and behave selfishly.
America is not a dictatorship. At least, not yet.
If one or two more Presidents cannot set things rights, it will come. Pray that does not happen. It can be avoided if people have awareness about erring business people. Instead of conducting opinion poll on Mr.Obama, why don't you conduct opinion polls about who spoiled the economy, which industry, financial, real estates or others?
TKsensei's got the right perception. If you did know the US you would never have said that.
Ever since I could remember, the media always do some type of 'report card' after 6 months of a President in office. I get really annoyed when I hear that when people are oppositional to Obama's policies, that they are being 'intolerant.' Were people 'intolerant' when they were opposing Bush after 3 months? Obama's economic policies I believe, are very legitimate to examine and criticize. It has to do with philosophical ideology, and people's belief in the role of government.
I do believe a fraction of the criticism of Obama is racist, but not the majority of it. I'm sure many conservatives and repubs would support Michael Steele.
No, Obama does not deserve the criticism he is getting.
Political discourse in this country has sunk to such ridiculously extreme levels and the misinformation that is out there makes it hard to believe that anyone. knows what the hell they are talking about.
I do know that health care reform is a must in this country and to say that it is a threat to our freedom is absurd.
The health insurance companies have been misbehaving for a very long time and the so-called non-profits have given us no relief.
If 44,000 people die every year from lack of insurance, our health care system is more of a threat to national security than all the terrorist groups in the world. I imagine that deaths that result from denial of payment for diagnostic procedures by insurance companies add to the death toll quite a bit.
No one should FORCE me to buy anything - insurance or not - unless it can kill someone else like car insurance.
You are opening a can of worms when a bill charges you fee's for not buying insurance. Do you really think that doesn't help the insurance companies? Why do you think they are supporting it for the most part? Think about it!
If you feel like really helping "poor souls with no insurance" than you better be donating your time to charity. You're "have pity on the poor" attitude better show in your other daily actions. Don't expect the government to always bail out poor people.
Are we not forced to pay taxes? This bill is clearly not universal healthcare, but even under that we would still be forced to pay for it through taxes. It doesn't just make you buy insurance, it makes it more affordable for those who couldn't otherwise get it.
I don't think it's an argument about charity. It's about whether or not health care is a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT. In the United States, it is not; it's based on how much money you make.
And we're the only advanced country where that's true.
Sorry, but healthcare is not a basic human right. If you think that this bill does anything about the cost of healthcare, you're dreaming. All this bill will do is reward the people who wrote it at the expense of the average American.
Can we get real? I read only a few of the replies, however, it seems no one will ever agree on care for those that have no insurance.
Allow me to tell you that I worked for 30 some years. I now have heart disease, adrenal issues, depression and other problems. Obama's mother died of cancer, always worrying about the bills. Is that fair? I am afraid to go to the hospital when I have chest pains, I will not have open heart surgery because of the money that my family will be saddaled with.
Do we really want that in our community? I will not take a heart transplant from those younger. I will not have anything done. I am 49.
There are those who depend on me.
Why would your family have to pay your bills? Collectors don't come after your family.
Also, if you're 49 and already have all these problems, maybe it's because you worry too much. I would get treated and not hold in all that tension.
Actually Tim, when it comes to medical bills the hospitals do come after the next of kin. I learned this the hard way after my mother's death two years ago. Even with her insurance there was still 15,000 dollars left unpaid that we are still in court over. Just as spouses can be billed in the event of a wife or husbands death.
The GOP has become Californicated and is endangering the entire country.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/opini … ef=opinion
STILL not giving a shit what other countries think is best is one of America's finest qualities.
Your very questions play the race card. The opposition to Obama is because of his frighteningly Marxist-like policies, not his skin color!
What questions and what "Marxist policies" are you referring to? Do you know what Marxism is?
Read the original question with its "because of minority" blather, and I know precisely what Marxism is but I haven't the time to explain, and I'm legitimately sorry about that.
Non-profit organization filed a lawsuit against the federal government Thursday morning, seeking to overturn a law stopping the flow of federal funds to ACORN.
The suit, filed in federal court in New York, claims that bills passed by the House and Senate to defund the group qualify as bills of attainder, legislation that unfairly targets one group. Such bills are unconstitutional.
ACORN claims that the legislation was of “malicious and punitive intent.” The suit also claims Congress violated the Fifth Amendment by skirting due process before doling out the punishment of the funding cut. OMB Director Peter Orszag and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner are listed as co-defendants in the suit.
The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, protects against abuse of government authority in a legal procedure.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
No it is not. Why is it that no matter what happens the loonies all come out to play?
Facts are ignored and replaced with conspiracies worthy of the fundy religionists! Or is it these fundies that oppose everything, hate everyone ans assume their own government is out to get them!
The truth is most people enter politics to do a service for their country, then they face the madness and many give up to become what they are constantly accused of!
i have been thinking about this lately.
the President on several occasions has had no trouble being frank and speaking his mind. he likes being 'in your face' a little bit.
i just wonder why he doesn't just come out and set the record straight and say:
I am NOT a socialist.
I am NOT a muslim.
simple enough, and it would certainly go a long way towards quelling these wild suspicions and rumors.
Hi cosette. The rumors are baseless and driven by those who have a very strange idea of what a muslim is.
The crazed stuff on the radical radio shows in America is indicative of some "thinking" of these losers. It should be viewed by Americans as it is in Australia.
I put it on when I want a real belly laugh as do two of my friend who listen while working for unrivaled madness and comedy! What a pile of crud some Americans buy!
Cartman's lament for the GOP
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/t … -base.html
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