Chemtrails? How many chemtrail believers are there here?
Good Morning Bard of Ely. Chemtrails are real, and as an environmentalist, and a person who received complaints when I worked for a Govt agency that monitors the Environment. In Arkansas, the crap that 'falls out' from this has been gathered and tested. Every morning, afternoon and evening, we watch the jets criss cross in the air, wondering, who has this much money. They have experimented with the weather here in the past three months. I have photos of the affects and trails hours after they are created. I visited Northern Cali last May, and watched the jets spraying chem-trails over the agriculture, and trees. Everything has been dying there for years from it.
the firs
the first photo, is Feb 1, 2011 @ 4:30 pm
the second is Feb 2, within the first hour between 7:00 - 8:00 am This freak storm was "predicted" for days...
This is at the end of an hour of a freak snow storm "predicted"
- Neville Walkposted 13 years ago
0 - Neville Walkposted 13 years ago0
Entirely false. A contrail will dissipate depending on the atmospheric conditions; if the relative humidity is saturated, the contrail can remain for some time, if not, and the air is dry, the contrail will dissipate quicker.
Uh, different altitudes. Atmospheric conditions change with altitude, hence contrails at different altitudes with different atmospheric conditions will dissipate at different intervals. Simple, really.
Why are you calling them "chemtrails" - what evidence do you have that the planes are actually spraying chemicals? Planes criss-cross the sky all the time because they are getting from one destination to another. Isn't that obvious?
Hilarious. Of course, that has nothing to do with the fact that Arkansas has some of the highest concentrations of barium in the entire US.
So, lets see those so-called laboratory tests and I'll show you the false claims made about barium and the lies perpetrated by those in Arkansas, and the results. Fair enough?
Yes, please do support one conspiracy theory with another, that really gives your argument value.
Sorry, but you're wrong.
The trails you see were made last week by small, low flying aircraft. I know, because I saw the aircraft make the trails that you see in this photo.
Sometimes the sky is criss-crossed with these trails, which spread slowly to form clouds.
It is very, very sinister.
I believe and have posted this discussion to Twitter for others to learn, read, become aware and make their own decision after becoming educated from both sides of the issue.
- ahorsebackposted 13 years ago0
Really? Ever seen war pics of large propeller driven aircraft engine exhaust from the 30's and 40's - they too had contrails.
Again, atmospheric conditions vary at different places and different altitudes, hence you may very well see varied contrails lasting different time frames.
As well, varying sizes of engines will produce varying degrees of contrails.
Are you referring to 'cloud seeding'? If so, do they spray the clouds with Barium? Do they use commercial jets or smaller single and dual engine aircraft? Do they actually report and tell people they are seeding clouds?
Then perhaps, you can explain this stark contrast to the claims of chemtrails.
Clearly, you are only interested in perpetuating false claims if you're not interested in explanations and call it manipulation. How very sad.No, I would expect similar dissipation rates in the same area, if that was the case. I cannot comment on your observations and think that perhaps those planes most likely were not in the same area. I doubt whether you would be able to tell if jets that are tens of thousands of feet above had for example, five thousand feet between their altitudes.
Riding the coat tails of conspiracy theories doesn't help your plight or your quest.
There are pockets of high and low pressure areas everywhere, there are polar and subtropical jet streams plus of host of other variations in our atmosphere. Jets passing through all of these phenomena are bound to exhibit different effects.
Yes, I can look at our world, but I understand it, too.
None, whatsoever.
Coincidentally though, I had the opportunity to learn how to fly a Cessna 172 and a Mooney at fourteen, which lead me to teaching meteorology in Ground School by sixteen.
Yes, thank you for those. The first looks like a conspiracy theory website spouting everything from 9/11 conspiracies to 'the Rise of the Global Scientific Dictatorship' conspiracies.
The second link is an air purifier company that really, really wants to sell us an air purifier.
I would agree with you. Hence, if contrails are what we would expect to see based on atmospheric conditions and the physical characteristics of vapor and condensation, then they would indeed look very much like a duck.
The point being though, is that if one has no idea what a duck looks like, can the saying bear validity?
Sure, burning fossil fuels at the rate a commercial jetliner burns is atrocious, and there are thousands of them in the air every day.
Jet fuel melts steel? Since when?
It's the same in the northern hemisphere, planes fly over the polar region as these routes are shorter distances between two points on the globe.
Really? Not aware? Croydon Travel has sightseeing flights that go over the Antarctica, flying around and then turning back to it's original point of departure.
But, airlines do fly over the Antarctica, and although ETOPS does not allow commercial airliners to fly directly over the south pole, they still use routes nearby.
Quantas Airlines and Croydon Travel.
"Disinformation" would be if someone observed something, like a commercial jetliner flying overhead and immediately jumping to the conclusion of "chemtrails." THAT is obvious disinformation.
Yes, I know. All conspiracy theorists are of the same mindset.
Thanks, but no thanks. I have found that 9/11 conspiracy theorists not only don't know what they're talking about but also show absolutely no respect for those who died there.
Here's a visual of a day's worth of airplane traffic over the US.
Here's a website showing the paths over the Europe as well.
Hope that clears things up.
Oh, and one more thing...
... (planes have wings in the back on the tails)
Yes but . . .
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