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Best Answer youcanwin says
Thank you. You answer had nothing to do with church theology like the rest. I am glad to see that I am not the onlyone who would feel great joy.
John Harper says
Rod Martin Jr says
Look at them as prodigal sons and your siblings
Thanks for asking the question and reminding me to answer what is asked. Scratch my comment except for last sentence. Awesome. I cannot think of anything greater than that.
Maybe the question was really, "How would you feel if everyone accepted?" Instead of "How would you feel if He did save everyone?" Because He did! Save everyone.
Sparrowministries, Truth be told, every knee will bow and tonuge confess that Christ is Lord. You are correct. He did save everyone. Without any efforts on our part.
Your question was not sincere. You were trying to start a debate to have a platform for a false belief system that twists the Word of God and creates a farce of the death and resurrection of Christ. You were never interested in our answers. Not good
It is true, that I was open for discussion, but it is your belief that is thee twisted false belief. It dates back to A.D.500 by the catholic church. This false belief makes our saviour an utter failure, and God a hypocrite.
This is silly. No one who reads the Bible cover to cover with integrity and no preconceived ideas would ever come to such a conclusion. Just plain silly.
Only to you sister.
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Jackie Lynnley says
Please dont twist my question. I asked how you would feel if He did save all humanity with or without our so called free will.
How is that twisting your question? God does not DEMAND that we accept.
To say that He did save us, but we need to except it is twisting my question. God who wills all to be saved is dependent on us to save us, makes our will sovereign over His.
Re Read John 3:16-19 it clearly shows WE have a decision to make, which DOES affect our eternal destiny, God gave us free will, He will not usurp it by force.
Phil 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Phil 1:28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.
Yes EVERY knee shall bow and tongue confess, but is that is during life or during the judgement?
Their adversaries were Jews, and they faced their condmnation A.D.70.
After the great reserection. BTW, it saddens me to see that you find no Joy in the salvation of all.
I find extreme joy, just don't find universalism in the bible.
Universal reconciliation is found many times in scripture.
1Tim 4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
Suggest you change this to the forums.
Saviour of all is balanced by the last line, 'especially' being the operative word.
Folk do have a choice, nobody can deny them that choice.
God does not deny them the choice, why do you?
I have hubs on this topic.
So God wants to save us all, but He is dependent on our choice to save us? Is that it? He wants our permission to save us all?
No not exactly, God requires that we WANT to be saved by Christ, it's not obligatory, to oblige would make God a churlish God, who will force us no matter what. Salvation is available to ALL, but can be refused or rejected. It's our choice.
That doesnt even come close to what scripture says.
Rom 9:16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
I no longer hope for salvation for all, I know it and believe in my heart that Christ saved all.
Gods Grace is there for all, my point is it can be refused, why are you arguing? If you TRULY believe you are correct, then nobody will be lost, no matter what, but if you are wrong, many could be lost by your concepts.
The grace of God has already been given to all.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
We all inherited death from Adam, not by choice or free will. the same goes for the grace of God through Christ.
SwordofManticorE I will let you have the last word, you follow your path, I will follow mine, by your reckoning we both end up in the same place anyway. Meanwhile, there are folk who need to get saved, because Christ said that's what we should do.
I agree, they need to be saved, but saved from themselves. If everyone believed in Christ today, there would be nothing but love and peace for all.
Then we agree.
I did not twist it, I told the truth as I see it. I don't make up lies to suit fellow hubbers.
It was a simple question and you had to bring your twisted church theology. It is my experience that those who cannot show joy in the possibility that all are saved, dont want all to be saved.
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Oscar Jones says
Dr Freddie Haddox says
Beautiful analogy -- the prisoner too afraid to come out of their cell.
Here is a better anology. A bear is charging at you and a hunter (Christ) shoots the bear dead. With or without your permission you have been saved. BTW, I never heard of a prisoner scared of leaving his cell. The anology sounds unrealistic
There are many prisoners (in real life) who have been so conditioned to prison life, that they commit crimes in order to return to prison, it's a fact that some folk are afraid for freedom and personal responsibility.
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