I think you are wasting the time of some good people looking for a job by posting on Monster. You are also misleading folks by making them think they can support themselves, even partially with HP even though you mention they cannot near the end of the advertisement. You use examples of folks that did well on HP when there was more traffic and earnings potential over five years ago.
People today want honesty and transparency. You are not providing either by soliciting writers on Monster.com, a career website. This is my opinion only. I am not looking for an argument. Thank you.
According to your profile you have wasted 2 hours.
That's less than 24 hours or 15 months. I waste time wisely.
How much money have you made? Blathering away on forums is a waste.
As you blather away on forums. I haven't made any money, I am not here to make money.
Maybe, but I make money without leaving my house so its good.
Nope, just a business owner with really good employees who are paid well!
So you can afford to waste your time blathering away on forums all day while they are working. That's something to be thankful for. Go get 'em tiger.
I could afford to pay you to blather away on the forums for me, but you just don't have it.
Not everyone on Hubpages writes solely for money. If you enjoy writing and view it as a hobby, then it's not a time waster.
And we get 2 dollars per year as well (occasionally).
I don't know about you, but I'm not earning 2 dollars per year. It's seems that you're only worried about the monetary benefits that could come with Hubpages, so I can see how writing on here would be a waste of time for you.
Ah but what you say is not what Hubpages is about.
I found them when looking for a way to make money online.
They were a way to make money online, but I had to learn how to first.
Sad in a way, but by the time I had learned how to do it, I had a small gap of months to enjoy success before HP got slapped to Kingdom Come by Google.
If I just wanted to just write, I'd have made a blog.
NOW, however, it would seem that HP is being dragged down by those who write as a hobby.
Many many hubs here are substandard because the writer never targeted an audience, never targeted keywords.
Just wrote something that made sense but which would never be found by searchers and will never achieve maximum exposure to what could be an appreciative audience.
THAT is what you need to know to write online.
HP is a business. It is their business to provide the platform, to make rules, and to allow hobbyist writers an easy way to get published.
It can only work if the writers actually write for on online audience.
I wondered the same thing so I reached out personally to people that sign up for HubPages from the ad on Monster.com They have said they do not feel cheated or disappointed with the HubPages experience. They are generally happy to find any opportunity to make money doing what they love, writing. Their other options typically pay less and force them to write about things they do not know or care about. On HubPages, at least they can write about things they are interested in and they retain ownership of that content.
Thank you Derek, for that input.
Your whole post says more about you as a person with real feelings towards real people, than as a representative of an organization spouting out the company line.
When I joined HP I was desperate to learn how to make money online. But I was also a wannabe writer.
I've had stuff published, but did not consider myself a real writer.
It did worry me that HP posted adverts online in such a manner. It could have given people the wrong idea.
HP, or rather the community here on HP, have taught me how to write online.
This improves our ability to become successful freelance writers.
I am frankly shocked at the standard of writing of many of those here who say they are successful freelancers.
HP brings us all together. It also gives each one of us an insight into writing online in general.
I can't think of another site which could do that to the same extent, at least none that were around when HP first started.
I agree with Derek Gulbranson. I had seen HubPages on Monster.com well over a year ago and the idea stuck with me throughout that time until I joined in late August. Make no mistake that the writing is grueling at times and the hours long, but I can honestly say that I have met quite a number of great Hubbers, learned a lot from their wisdom (as well as from the HP Staff) and got super tips to make my job easier. I haven't even mentioned being a part of a great community or becoming a better writer because of it.
Is HubPages for everyone? No. No more than any other job would be to a bunch of candidates. That being said, there are those who are doing well on HubPages. They know that it takes time and hard work to get to the point of drawing income. And, know that for some, this is just a place to enjoy writing and meeting other writers. It isn't and shouldn't be considered a quick job/quick buck scenario. However, if one is a writer and wants to dabble in the world of online article writing, this is the best place to start.--Deb
Just what I want. Long, grueling hours of writing for chump change.
I've never known a job that didn't expect me to roll up my sleeves and work hard. Obviously, there are those who want an easy buck but not to put much time and energy into it. I have worked alongside so many print writers and they would agree with me that a writer's life may be grueling but that's the joy and pain of doing something you love. And, my words to anyone who wants a free handout: If you find it, more power to ya! Best Regards--Deb
Nothing against hard work . . . just meager compensation for it. I do write freelance for print at 35 cents a word and up. 3600 words at $1 a word, and the grueling work is worth it. I do not get a steady flow, however, and I am exploring every option. Like you, I love to write!
Then put your expertise to work and write a Hub. There are millions of niches to be filled on the Internet and perhaps you have something that will be worth sharing. No harm in giving it a try. Besides, you might just like being here. Best Regards, Deb
Steve, I found HP thru Monster.com. Yeah, it was a misleading ad, but I don't regret coming into this community in the least. It has led to great friendships, advice and my decision to quit the rat race in favor of my passion.
"at least they can write about things they are interested in and they retain ownership of that content."
Hat off! No one is going to rob all those recipes!
Happy to hear how hub pages has taught some people SEO, and that they would have spent thousands of dollars in tuitions fees hadn't HubPages taught you that. For their knowledge, there are other venues and people who do that same charity.
Now get it right Arox.
I didn't say Hubpages taught me SEO.
I said the community here on HP taught me, and many others, I suspect.
Once learned, we can go anywhere and make money online. We are not tied by our apron strings to HP.
I just like HP. I like being here, even without traffic.
"That's factually true, but in practice, I think it's still misleading.
Most outsiders, reading those income figures for 2011, would assume the "success" Hubbers were earning even more today, because their portfolio of Hubs has grown. Without the graphs, there's nothing to counter that misconception.
HubPages should update the stats to 2012, otherwise they are deliberately giving potential recruits the wrong idea."
There is no scam or misleading information to do with hub pages. You can earn money, but you have to know what you are doing on a massive scale. For most people it's about the opportunity to share what they know and get involved in a large community. Somebody who only signed up looking for a get rich quick scheme has not only joined under false pretences, but is completely disillusioned by the internet.
Good God! We must rejoice by the fact that some people are still under the illusion.
I would have to agree with you that not many make money on hubpages. But you gotta ask yourself, who cares?
Those who make the real profit over people's illusions.
You seem to care, if you don't like it after all the time you put into it why are you still here?
Of course, HubPages as a company makes a lot of money. If you want to, you set up an equivalent website. If not, get over it. Write and enjoy it or look up PTC websites that give you $5.00 a click.... I'm sure you'll get lots of luck there.
It is my understanding that the job listings are not generally made by Hupages, but by people trying to earn from their affiliate links.
I make $2 a day not a year, but still would not see it as something that could be listed as a real job.
That said, the greatest waste of time would seem to be time spent trolling the forums of a content site you don't even write for or respect on any level.
That's how I found HubPages.
The ad specifically states that this is a part-time, supplemental-income job, and by no means should anyone expect to support themselves on it.
To be more accurate, they should just say, "Write for chump change and have fun blathering on forums."
Yes. At least that was the information given to me in the ad I saw back in, uh... I don't remember. Sometime early this year. I didn't actually sign up until like 3 months after I saw the ad (I had forwarded it to someone I know who loves to write, then when I had the time to write myself, I signed up).
Actually I think the ad I saw was on Careerbuilder; but that's pretty much the same kind of thing. Probably the same exact ad went on Monster.
The ad: "a stay-at-home mother of 8 earns 1/3 of her household income ($3800) passively from HubPages"
That can happen. It is all about generating traffic. If you aren't good at that, then it is a bust.
Do you consider $3800 (per month) to be passive income? Did you see the paycheck?
Even they hide the fact that the figure $3800 is an average.
It is passive income because it is residual from a previous effort. Passive income is earned from an investment. Romney makes millions in passive income. The lady must know SEO, have a very extensive social network and been around for years. She probably got a lot of people to sign up and stuck her tracking link on everything that moves.
Now, if you are a writer looking to get a good return for well written articles, there are better avenues.
Most internet writing sites are micro-payout content farms. It would be better to start your own. I am doing that. HubPages is a good place to learn how. Once you get the hubs up, you can always link back to them from elsewhere. It is one of the benefits, in my opinion. Unless you go Adobe Muse the format here is typical, so you will be up to speed when you go to a host that uses this nasty Rupal based program for layout and publishing.
Print is the best way to go to make money. The competition is almost overwhelming. Go ahead and include a SASE, you still won't hear back. No one wants finished manuscripts anymore, and it is hard to sell with a cover letter and some tear sheets. Editors are not impressed by hubs. You need your own site.
I challenge anybody to get the kind of online writing training you get at HP for free anyplace else. We may not make fortunes here, but the education is worth plenty. My writing skills have improved dramatically since I joined HP and I am ever grateful for that. I have never considered HP a waste of time.
I find it not surprising at all that the people bashing HubPages on this thread don't seem to be producing very much on HubPages.
My mistake. I should have examined the post closer, before I replied.
Very much on the same train of thought as myself. I don't know why I get involved in these sometimes. Waste of time, Waste of typing time. I'm just happy that I made $3.00 in a week, just writing in my spare time. When I get my $50.00 cheque, it's not gonna change my life, but I'll be damned proud.
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