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Ben Blackwellposted 11 years ago
I have made a similar post a while ago, but I still haven't been able to find a solution to this problem. All of my hubs are currently featured and always have been. I have 6 poems, 3 short stories, and 29 non-fiction articles. Many of them are on topics I wouldn't consider esoteric. I experimented with changing the names of some of them, but that hasn't worked (and some people said that they've liked the names). I've been getting nothing but good comments from them, and I have 80 followers, but I'm hardly getting any traffic outside of Hubpages. I have a facebook page with 90 likes on it, and I post to that regularly as well. I also participate in the forums and Q&A section here (which is probably where most of my traffic comes from).

I've noticed that people who have been here for about the same time as I have have already received the 10k accolade. Can anybody offer any pointers or insights?

Thanks
Ben Blackwell
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  Cardisaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Starting with your best performing hubs post the title of the top three here (don't post the links) and I will review them and help you improve. I will do three at a time. When I am done the first three post three more.
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  Ben Blackwellposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I suppose any of the hubs in my carousal or the first three would do. I can't post the links here.
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  ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  According to your profile you've only been here 2 months, so perhaps expecting a 10,000 view accolade is a bit unrealistic. To be fair, you haven't given it a lot of time or patience. You need to search engine optimize titles and use good subtitles to get search engine traffic.
  
  Fiction like poetry and short stories tend to not do well on HP. Your best articles here will be informational pieces. Featured, doesn't mean they are being found. Look at your traffic sources - are you getting any search engine traffic at all?
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  Cardisaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Poems and short stories don't do well because people don't optimize them. It's a myth that poetry and short stories don't get traffic or do well on HP. I can attest to the fact that with a little SEO poems and short stories can get as much traffic as articles and I have a hub to prove it.
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  ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps if they are optimized, but even when I did have short stories here that were optimized, they got some traffic, but nothing like my other hubs. The best performing hubs are still informational hubs.
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  Ben Blackwellposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I never expected to get 10k views. That was simply a comparison. I have been trying to search engine optimise, but I am no master at it. I am getting some Google traffic, however.
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  Writer Foxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  My best Hub right now for Google traffic is a poetry Hub.
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  relacheposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If you familiarize yourself with what is called the Pareto Principle, sometimes also called the 80-20 rule, you will realize that what you are seeing is entirely standard/normalized/average. A great many other authors on this site have nearly identical ratios of traffic-earning to non-traffic-earning Hubs. That same ratio could be seen when HubPages used to display the total users on the site vs how many users actually made Hubs.
  
  Ask yourself this: how do you get your information and why? How do you get your entertainment and why? Do you explore random, unknown sources or do you use reliable sources with a history of quality and other supportive references? Most people use the latter, not the former. In this scenario, you are one of the former: an unknown person on some site where anyone can write about anything.
  
  For example, your Hub about Jeet Kune Do. Why would someone find your Hub more original, more useful and more helpful to read when compared to the sites that come up on Google's first page when you search for that martial art? Reading the Hub, you don't appear to be a master of this form, in fact, you don't appear to even be a student of this form at all. You seem to just be rephrasing a lot of Lee's own thoughts and material, without seeming to have anything resembling your own take or experience with it.
  
  So that leads to the question, if any random person/reader out there was going to read up on Jeet Kune Do, why would they want to read your Hub? Unless it's more original, more authoritative and more helpful (useful) than other sources, the answer to that question is "they won't read your Hub."
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  Ben Blackwellposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  My hub on Jeet Kune Do is not about the form, it is about the philosophy behind it. It is my interpretation based on what I have read by him and what I have read elsewhere. It is my own take, and it is totally original, as much as a holistic reinterpretation can be. There are things I've tailed about other than regurgitation.
  
  That is actually one of my best performing hubs. Thank you for the input, but that is not where the problem lies.
  
  I am familiar with the 80/20 rule, and I believe you are misinterpreting it. I shoudn't be getting absolutely no views on 80% of my hubs.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Relache is right about the 80/20 rule. Unless they're very good at SEO, most Hubbers have a few Hubs that get the bulk of their traffic and make the bulk of their income.
  
  If you consider my account. I moved on to my own sites, so at my peak I had only about 170 Hubs here which were earning about $400 a month. 90% of that figure came from the top 30% of my Hubs.
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  Ben Blackwellposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure if it applies, because today, I checked, and all but one of my hubs has had either 0 or 1 view. Only one had 11, and I believe that is temporary. It's not like 80% is doing bad and 20% is doing well, it's that everything is doing bad. I merely made the 75% point to send the point across.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  relache: As someone who has had tremendous success here at HP and who has been here quite awhile, I would like to hear what you think about the direction HP may take in the future. Will it be able to overcome its problems with Google? Can it survive? What do you think?
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  relacheposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  In all honesty, I don't know what is going to happen. I've seen a lot of statements that seem definitive on the part of HubPages admin, but not seen any definitive change in the overall Hub situation. Tons of low content still makes it onto the site. Lots of Hubs that have been changed multiple times to repeatedly come into compliance with new standards are still getting the Google cold shoulder.
  
  Admin doesn't feel to me like they know what they're doing, so at present I have to say "it doesn't seem so based on how things are going right now" to your first question. Can it survive? Maybe. Maybe not.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Relache: This was not the answer I was hoping to see! Here's the thing: if the team sees that what they are doing is not working, why do they continue along those lines? Are they purposely trying to kill themselves off? That does not make sense. What does make sense to me is them biting the bullet, hiring some really qualified help, dumping those low level hubs and trying not to further upset the good writers who are still on board. They put a QAP in place that is supposed to catch bad writing, but apparently it is not working. The first question I would be asking is "Why". Thanks for chiming in.
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  relacheposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  According to what you can see from the stats that have been consistently released since 2009 (published users and published Hubs), it would seem that plenty of Hubs have been dumped. (today's number is about 24% down from where the site was in April 2012) As for published writers, that's gone from a high of 232,660 in January 2012 down to today's 85,997 (a 63% drop).
  
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  WOW...those are staggering numbers! However, if they have dumped so many hubs (I am assuming because of quality), how is it that so many low level hubs still exist? Even with that, one would think Google would be able to take a second look and see that this site is trying to improve. The other question is, how long can they keep dumping before they go too far and are then unable to financially sustain the site!
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  relacheposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I think the drop in writers and the presence of low-quality Hubs signifies that experienced writers have bailed just as much as true spam writers have been shut down, and that much of the newer content is coming from people new to HubPages without significant web writing experience or HubPages history.
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  Bard of Elyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I am sure this is the case! Experienced writers have gone, bad writers and spammers have gone and new and inexperienced people have joined. But there are still some of us here who have been on the site for years!
  
  I really don't know what has gone so badly wrong here that has caused many former top hubbers to leave or be disgruntled with the site or why whatever new changes are bought in many people still see declining traffic and earnings (myself included).
  
  I was never a high earner here and admit that I know very little about SEO but I do know that there are those who do and they are no longer able to get good results here.
  
  I also know that whatever I do I don't see much better traffic or earnings and HP seems progressively to be asking more and more of Hubbers. I know that it can't be my lack of talent as a writer or online marketer because there are those who are much better than me but they can't make the grade here now!
  
  I just don't understand it and I admit that.
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  Writer Foxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Before your traffic declined, was your traffic mostly from internal sources (HubPages) or from external (search engines, social media, and the like)?
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  Bard of Elyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I used to get a lot more external traffic!
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  Writer Foxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Did your traffic from search engines ever pick back up after the first Google Panda in February, 2011?
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  Jean Bakulaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Mine did. I came here at the end of 2010, so didn't build up about 50 hubs until after the Panda hit. So last year was good for me. I still am unsure if what we are seeing is partly the end of summer and beginning of people staying indoors online more. I know it's more than that, but think it's one of the reasons for low traffic. I see most of the best writers left, and a lot of bad writing is still here.
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  Bard of Elyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes but it didn't last!
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  Writer Foxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It sounds like your Hubs didn't fare well under the Google Panda algorithm and subsequent updates. If your Google traffic to your Hubs resembles this graph, then Panda was most probably the reason.
  
  The HubPages domain took a slight hit during the most recent Panda Algorithm Update, July 16 – July 28, but had a slight rebound during the data refresh August 16 – 28.
  
  There are several things you can do to improve the situation:
  1. Do new keyword research and see if the phrases you are targeting are the best ones to use now (high traffic/low competition).
  
  2. Check your competition for your keyword phrases. If the top 10 search results are for strong webpages (as is the case for "crazy colour hair dyes"), choose different keywords where you will have a chance for success.
  
  3. Check your competition within the HubPages domain itself. Google will not display more than two or three listings from a single domain for search query results.
  
  4. Rewrite Meta Tags (especially Title, Description and Alt Image Tags). When you started writing on HP, there wasn't even a way to designate a Description Tag. Today, it is the information you put in the 'Summary.' Do not use H2 Tags which are not important keyword phrases. (H2s are used for the Titles in text, picture, and video capsules, etc.) Leave capsules without Titles rather than include H2 spam.
  
  5. Incorporate H3s for secondary keyword phrases you are targeting.
  
  6. Include a Table of Contents using keyword phrases for longer Hubs.
  
  7. Consider different Topic categories than the ones you are using.
  
  8. Write in-depth, comprehensive, extraordinary information that cannot be found anywhere else on the Web. (This is the most important Panda antidote.)
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  Bard of Elyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for the advice! It means another lot of work here but I will consider it!
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  Writer Foxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Let me know how it goes. I think you have interesting, unique information on your Hubs.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  One important thing to note, Bard - that very first item is THE most important. I'm sure Writer Fox would tell you, If your keyword research shows low search volumes for your keywords, then you're wasting your time doing the rest of the things on the list! I'm not sure how confident you are using the keyword tool?
  
  I suspect quite a number of your Hubs have low search volumes - they're well written, but they're not on topics many people are searching for. No matter how much you tweak them, the hard fact is - if no one is looking for them, it won't make a ha'porth of difference.
  
  Before the Featured/unFeatured system was introduced, Hubs on low-searched topics were still worth writing, because there often wasn't much information available on those topics, so your Hub would eventually be found by those who were truly interested. Now, such Hubs get unFeatured so they never stand a chance.
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  Bard of Elyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I have concluded likewise! I have remarked on this before about some remote parts of Tenerife and about herbs of Tenerife. In the offline world hardly anyone goes to these places and hardly anyone knows about the plants so it is very unlikely that many searches are being done for them. It doesn't matter how well I write about them they become unfeatured.
  
  That brings me to another conclusion I have had that people are only searching for stuff they already know at least something about.
  
  This means that articles here are not about quality of information but are about stuff that people already have some knowledge on and are wanting more.
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  LeanManposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  @ Bard;
  
  While people may not be searching for specific herbs or remote places in tenerife you can still drive traffic by capturing readers with a general interest in the subject. Have a hub on "rambling in tenerife" or "where to visit in tenerife" "what to do in.." or any other better searched term. From those pages provide links to those other less likely to be searched for.
  
  People do not know what they don't know so will not search for it directly, you have to grab their attention within something they will search for. Give them a teaser and a link to get in depth information.
  
  Even better have a dedicated site so that you become seen by google as a real authority on the subject. A site that someone with a general interest can find and then be led to read more...
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  Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  +1
  
  Bard does have a site on Tenerife but it's not on a good platform, and he was (at one time) earning more on HubPages articles than on his blogs.
  
  Having helped Bard and a couple of others with their blogs, I'm discovering that the biggest hurdle for people is not getting visitors - a blog with lots of focussed content WILL get visitors - but knowing how to monetize.
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  Bard of Elyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I have been also told that I am not good at monetizing though I can think of people who are but they don't bother with HP any more which must mean there is more to it than that here!
  
  And I am well aware that one of my hurdles is not getting enough visits to any of my sites apart from Facebook!
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  livewithrichardposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  $1200+ per month down to $23+ per month if I'm lucky... I think that's enough to answer your question.
  Have you noticed that they removed any reference to earning money on the sign in page? That's because there is very little money to be earned? If we're feeling the pressure out here on the front lines, how much pressure do you think they're feeling in their little SF office?
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  Bard of Elyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, that is a good example of why a good Hubber would be very depressed about how this place is now but it doesn't explain why it is like this or what can be done to rectify it! That is what I am hoping we can find out!
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  Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What I found really interesting was this Hub by Simone on the definition of a content farm.
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Content-Farms-v … tent-Sites
  
  The gist of it is that HubPages isn't a content farm because Hubbing is not about writing for money, it's about writing for its own sake.
  
  It's very unusual for me to disagree with Simone but in this case, I couldn't disagree with her argument more! I found myself wondering if that's really her opinion or if the Hub was part of a marketing campaign to reposition HubPages as less commercial.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If Simone was right about this, then this site would be full of fiction and poetry and very little of anything else. I don't buy it.
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  Writer Foxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Here's the companion video where she also says that people don't write on HubPages for the income but because it is "a fun, recreational activity." She also demonstrates two "I'm a Little Teapot" poses:
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0II5A5N … TadKDiYKmg
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  livewithrichardposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Marisa, you and I were both here before Simone and the first major exodus of this site. The original intent of HP was not for members to write for the sake of writing, we were enticed by the idea of earning money for what we write. HP by every definition became a content farm and all of our arguing in the early days about HP staff doing more to get rid of the thin pages that had nothing more than some illegally obtained sexy pictures, and the spammers that only created a profile to place backlinks, went unaddressed. By the time Panda hit it was too late. Google spam team had us in their radar. It's the sheer number of membership here that keeps this site afloat, not Google. As membership dwindles, so will the support HP is getting from 3rd party advertisers. Soon we will see a new share program that gives us less and them more which is why HP has started this farce of an editors choice program. Once HP has enough pages to support their goals they will continue to dump the rest of the hubs that are not earning them money. I would guess that 80% of hubs published here get little to no external traffic and those hubs have no value to HP. They take up server space and provide no benefit. If HP is going to survive it will be on completely different terms than when we first signed up. I wouldn't doubt if the Pauls are already looking into other online ventures because this ship is sinking fast.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It hadn't occurred to me, but now you mention it. . . When I joined over five years ago, HubPages' marketing was definitely "write what you love and make money", and that message continued (in different wording) right up until very recently, as Timathissen points out.
  
  So it is a bit suspicious that HP is suddenly talking about, "write what you love" and downplaying the monetary angle. Maybe they are trying to attract the less internet-savvy writer who won't care if the revenue share is cut back.
  
  After all, Bukisa just stopped their revenue share altogether.
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  Bard of Elyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Who wants to give their work away for nothing?
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  Writer Foxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I give my work away for free to some non-profit organizations. HubPages is NOT a non-profit!
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  timmathisenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  When I read that article a year or so ago, I kept thinking -- geez, HP is trying to rebrand itself now that it's smacked around by the big G.
  
  For fun, I checked archive.org and looked at HP's home page for the last couple years, so others can see that HP branded this place as a commercial writing platform -- aka content farm.
  
  In 2005, the front page of HP listed 3 things:
  
  * Publish online with easy, non-techie tools
  * Be widely read thanks to the heavy internet traffic of HubPages
  * Create ongoing royalty opportunities
  
  In 2008, the front page of HP listed 3 things:
  
  * Easy. We provide free, easy to use tools to create Hubs.
  
  * Rewarding. Advertising from Google and products from Amazon and eBay are easily added to your Hubs to help you earn money.
  
  *Traffic. We have optimized our site to market the pages you create through search engines.
  
  In 2012, the front page of HP listed 3 things:
  
  * Publish easily
  * Attract readers
  * Earn rewards
  
  And for the longest time, there were "featured" hubbers on the front page as well. These "featured" folks were the ones making a sizable chunk of change here and it told their story about their earnings.
  
  Fast forward to 2013. The home page now targets this:
  
  * Discover
  * Create
  * Connect
  
  This is the first year there is no mention about the "rewards" or "royalty opportunities."
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  Bard of Elyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  How sad that the "Earnings" and "Royalty opportunities" are missing, not just from the description but,also for many of us for our work! That is why people are flocking to Bubblews - because they get paid for writing there!
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  Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks, that just proves I wasn't imagining it!
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  relache: I agree, but what good is the QAP if you are bringing poor writers in the front door just as quickly as you are kicking them out the back door? Makes no sense!
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Relache I would really like to see you write another article similar to the one you wrote awhile back that showed the financial averages, etc. of current writers. I think many people would like to see those figures as well.
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  relacheposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Almost no one is reporting those anymore. Which is why I have not updated that Hub this year.
  
  Again, that says a lot.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Relache: This 80-20 rule makes me wonder what would happen if a writer dumped every single article except that 20%. Would the articles again settle into that same average? Just curious!
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  Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It's a good question. My initial reaction was "probably not", but then you have to consider that the sub-domain would be very small, and Google doesn't like small domains - so traffic could well drop.
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  jaydawg808posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "Personal" pieces I find rather "boring." Unless it's informational about something or solves a problem, you won't get much readers.
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  Ben Blackwellposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It isn't one of those kinds of things.
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  iamgoutamposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hello Ben,
  
  I am very new in Hubpages. I have just published a hub and it has not been published yet. Though I am new here but I think shortly I will be successful in Hubpages. Yes, like you many people are not getting enough traffic outside Hubpages because they don't know "Search engine optimization (SEO)".
  
  Keyword research (A part of SEO) is one of the best ways to rank up your articles in Google search engine and we know most of the people around the world use the biggest giant search engine Google for searching, so if you can write SEO friendly killer content then you have a chance to get tons of visitors from Google organic search.
  
  Internet marketers and SEO experts are really doing very good in Hubpages. You are an awesome writer and if you can use SEO knowledge in your writings then you don't have to turn back...
  
  I hope I have made you understand.
  
  Regards,
  Gautam
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  KenDeanAgudoposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I remember the hub of wrylilt , some reason is that the topic you are writing does not make's money. Topics must be evergreen, that can be used for decades. I have also the problem with my creative writings. cardisa, help me in making titles in poems. good luck
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tamronposted 11 years ago
I have a Hub that is just now getting G visits. It has been published on 7/28/13 I submitted the hub to Google a week ago and I just now got 2 G visits.

I am seeing more and more of my Hub losing position. Some I can't even find in search. This has never happened.

What happened hubs would index sometimes in just a few hours at most within 24 hours. Is it hubpages or the Google crawler?
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  ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hubs have taken several hits from Google the past couple of years, hence all the changes HP is making trying to appease Google. Unfortunately Panda has done HP no favors. I still get decent search engine traffic, but I am focusing most of my energy now on social media. Another reason I wish we had the Google plus button back, but that's been covered on other forum threads .
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LeanManposted 11 years ago
There used to be a page somewhere (In help?) that had percentage figures regarding the number of views that hubs received every month. I seem to recall that something like 95% of hubs got less than 10 views per month.

Maybe someone can remember where that table is....
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  relacheposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Admin has repurposed that page and while the URL is still valid, it no longer contains stats data about Hub views. They've deleted or sanitized anything that used to publicly disclose site traffic/performance.
  
  Which sends a certain message of its own.
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  LeanManposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The way the traffic has been riding the roller coaster here anything they published would be out of date by the time anyone saw it...
  But those stats were interesting, they basically showed that just a few percent of the pages published on HP were responsible for the bulk of the views and thus also the revenue.
  With the many pages that have been deleted or made no-index it would be interesting to see how those figures have changed.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  LeanMan: I remember that page. In fact, I think Relache published an article about that very topic. I seem to remember that about half of the writers at HP at the time were making less than $10 per month and only about 1 or 2 per cent were making decent money. Check her hubs out and you'll find the article.
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2uesdayposted 11 years ago
Thank you relache for sharing this information. Some names I associate with forum posts that show they know what they are talking about and for me yours is on that list.
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felix09posted 11 years ago
Maybe you should try writing about topics that people are mostly searching for. You'd be amazed that a post on how to propose to a lady may get more traffic than poetry. Work on your best performing hubs and grow from there.
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LindaSmith1posted 11 years ago
I have removed so many hubs, I have lost count. Currently, I don't earn enough in one month to pay for a cup of coffee, a small cup at McDonalds. I might be able to buy a roll of toilet tissue.
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LindaSmith1posted 11 years ago
I don't get Simone. HP is not here for fun of it, and their motivation to writers is "Write here and earn money." Hey, wasn't Ezine Articles where writers are not paid part of the Content Farm hit a few years back?
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  LeanManposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Ezine was hit because every online writer used it to dump "spun" or rapidly written articles to provide links back to their site. It only existed to provide links; no other reason. People put many weak articles there just for the links. Even me lol
  Some people use HP for links also, but HP is actually a good place to earn so more people try to use it for that reason rather than just links. However because it is free and easy to sign up to it is full of people who will throw up lots of rubbish in the hope that they get lucky or just earn from sheer volume.
  Google is not stupid, they know that online spammers and people looking to earn their fortune online without having to invest anything or really do any hard work use sites like HP - so they make it as difficult as they can. I think if HP had not done anything then this site would have zero traffic now.
  I don't think HP have done everything right, but they have the sites (and our) best interests at heart. If they don't do what Google want then we get no traffic, so they have to change and make it more difficult for the spammers and those turning out low quality rubbish. But this does mean that we will all suffer in some way and that some really good writers will get pissed as they find themselves being caught up by the changes.
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Millionaire Tipsposted 11 years ago
They did a lot of great things to improve the quality of content with the QAP. To me, even though some of the rule changes are annoying and arbitrary, they did seem to be ways that the reader may get more value on the article. But then I think they got greedy and added the related search. To me, it seems like they are milking the site to get the last of it so they can get out.
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2uesdayposted 11 years ago
There use to be a chance for anyone to have an article on the front page ( in 2009 ? ) but they changed that.
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relacheposted 11 years ago
What I find most interesting about this thread is how Ben asked people for their insights or pointers, and how his primary response has been to say that those responses are mistaken or misunderstood and shouldn't really apply to his Hubs.

Good night and good luck, Ben.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  relache: This type of response is nothing new. It is very hard for people to face their own deficiencies, and is the very reason so many people fail, not only here, but in life as well.
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lovebuglenaposted 11 years ago
What you write about is either something hardly anyone searches for or it doesn't come in the first few pages of the search results on Google and other search engines. Most people don't look past page 1 of search results, some go to page 2 or 3 and hardly anyone will go past that... So if your articles show up in search but far down in page count (page 10 for example) most likely no one will know about them because they won't go that far in the search results.
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