I know a lot of you are curious about how the niche sites are doing. Recently, 21 of my articles were moved over. Some were edited, some were not. Most did not have ads, but of the ones that did, some were left in place, others were converted to in text links to products.
I've been trying to analyze the numbers, and here is what I've found. Every article except one or two has gained page views. Some, however, remain in single digits, most in doubles and a few in triples. However, very little time has passed, so I'm waiting to see if things will improve.
I tried to figure out what the team was looking for and quickly realized that monthly page views of 100 or more coupled with great views over time seems to be the key. However, a few brand new articles with very low views were also accepted in, which surprised me.
As far as editing goes, so far, I have been very pleased with the results. I've found an error or two but was allowed to make corrections.
I noticed that commas, quotation marks and the like were removed, and in one case so far, capsule titles were replaced with call out capsules. It looked kind of neat, I thought.
I have found the editors and the team very easy to work with and think they're doing a great job so far.
I doubt all of my hubs will make it to the niche sites, but I'm thinking that if enough of them do and things go well, the increase in page views will more than make up for the fact that the other articles are stagnating. What I'll do with them, I don't know.
However, now that I see what the editors are looking for, I'm spending a great deal of time every day upgrading my articles that are "close" to the niche upgrade parameters.
It's been a great deal of work and has taken me a lot of time, but I do think the articles they took look good now. They caught a ton of minor mistakes that I was shocked to see, so I am ever grateful that they are doing this.
My gut feeling is that these sites will do well and that all of the effort on both sides will be worthwhile.
My advice? Take your very best hubs, fix mistakes, add meaningful info wherever possible, improve photos and then watch and wait.
Interesting, thanks for sharing your experience so far. Am waiting with bated breath for the crafts niche site.
Thanks for your insights! I've only had one hub moved so far (to Pethelpful). I didn't notice any major changes, though I haven't done a line for line comparison.
I had two amazon items on this page and those were kept as well.
I didn't see anything dramatically different about the hub. I had already edited out the blue shaded boxes and made everything more mobile friendly, so maybe that is the reason.
I just received an email that one of my hubs is being snipped which I assume means that it is being edited to be moved to a new niche site (home/ garden). I am concerned about losing Pinterest traffic if the link changes to the new site and is no longer good. 90% of my traffic comes from Pinterest. If the links are no good, I will lose that traffic. Can someone tell me if the links are changing? And if so, what does HP plan to do about Pinterest traffic?
I forgot to add that I am extremely upset that I was not consulted about this. My experience with HP moving stuff has been very, very bad. They made one of my hubs an Editor's Choice which moved it to another domain and it lost all of its traffic. I removed it from the Editor's Choice designation but it never recovered all of its traffic. I am afraid of this happening again, especially since I get almost all of my traffic from Pinterest. I can't afford to have hubs moved to other domains and lose those links.
The terms of service on the new features do not include any options for choice on your part. HubPages TOS always said they could change whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted. They just never acted on this power until now.
That's too bad because I would have preferred to wait to see how the new niche sites worked out before allowing any of my hubs to be moved, especially after my horrible experience with Editor's Choice. And now that HP has moved 3 of my hubs to Dengarden, I am having the exact same experience: everyone else is raving about all of the traffic they are getting from Google, while I am getting none at all. Thank goodness for Pinterest! So glad I worked so hard on Pinterest traffic because that is the only traffic I am getting on those hubs that were moved.
If you were receiving traffic from Google in the first place you would have seen an increase. Since you were getting none before you would be lucky to receive any.
I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I was getting traffic from Google before the move to Dengarden. Now I am getting none at all. This was the same experience I had with Editor's Choice. Pre designation: Google traffic. Post designation: no Google traffic.
Sounds like HP screwed up on the redirects.
Oh... That's bad. I guess you wait a bit for the domain to get some authority. About a month should be good. My hub on caloriebee is getting almost double the traffic.
The problem isn't about moving the hubs, it is that Pinterest has changed its algorithm and lots of us here have lost views as a result. They felt the group boards were cheating, so made changes. People like me, who don't participate in boards, lost a good number of views. Not HP this time.
I don'the participate in group boards either. Gardening pins are immensely popular. I pin on my own page and get lots of repins which is generating nice traffic for me. I'm concerned about losing that traffic. Who can I contact to ask about this issue?
I have had 3 hubs moved to the dengarden site, 1 older hub and 2 brand new ones. My traffic has not increased at all. I still get most of my traffic from Pinterest, very little from Google. I thought these new sub-domains were supposed to increase traffic from Google. I had a thought the other day: if Google doesn't like content farms, why would the new sub-domains work better? They are just specialized content farms with better writing. Why does HP think that Google won'the figure that out?
There is no con here. Google wants niche sites. So we give them niche sites. Quality will be the ruling factor, nothing more.
By hand selecting what moves to the niche sites, they can get better control of the spammy articles that arrive daily on HP. Content on the niche sites should be better than average quality, making them competitive with many other well regarded niche sites. Most of them (like PetMD for instance) are a collaboration of paid writers struggling to come up with content on a daily basis. Not so different from a niche content farm in the final product. I often find that they give out incorrect or outdated information in the teasers I receive in my mailbox for the various "MD" sites.
I'm confused. What's the difference between a niche site and a content farm? It seems to me that a niche site with many authors is the same thing as a content farm. The only difference is the number of topics. A farm is a farm, no matter the size.
Haha. So then most popular magazines are farms? Not really. A farm is a site that accepts all kinds of c*** that people submit. The niche sites are not farms IMO
The niche sites are not subdomains. Each is an individual website composed of articles from a variety of authors on one general topic. They will not carry the stigma HP has had to tolerate from Google for being content farms.
For this reason, most of the articles in them should be ranked higher than they were as hubs, but obviously this is not true for all of them.
Since they are essentially "new", it takes time for Google to rank them, so some will get fewer views at first and more later. Others will rank higher more quickly due to a combination of subject matter and general competition on the web.
Furthermore, spam will be totally eliminated, so Google won't be able to down rank sites for that, either.
It's probably the only way the team knew of getting rid of low quality hubs and spam, and so far the plan seems to be working.
So now I wonder what will happen to the hubs left on HP.
Good question and it's terrifying to think about considering this has been my best week thus far, traffic wise, on Hubpages. None of my articles have been moved over yet but then again the niche sites created to date don't apply to my content.
Still it's unlikely all hubs get transferred over, so I guess either the ones that don't rot or get moved to personal blogs/sites.
The problem with that is I only write gardening hubs, so if I moved my non-niche hubs to my own site, why would I want to leave hubs on the HP niche site, Dengarden? It doesn't make sense from my point of view to have some of my hubs cherry picked for HP's benefit. I would want to move all of my hubs, not some of them, and that would defeat HP's strategy.
That is the question that's on everybody's mind, but it is one for the future since at this point nobody really knows.
In my mind, all hubs that are well written, original, spam free, have legal photos, etc.,etc. will probably be moved to niche sites at some point, so if you are worried, maybe it's time to do some serious updating so that your work will qualify.
Remember that there will always be a fresh influx of articles that may be able to buoy the site up so that it can remain as is, but of course, the best of those will move to the niche sites at some point also.
I don't think the team has really come up with a plan for the remaining hubs yet because they need to see how all of this will work out. It's going to take time.
Personally, I have been spending more time upgrading than writing at this point because I want to see as many posts as possible go to the niches. That's the best any of us can do.
Thanks for the info. I am also tracking my hubs to see if there is a huge difference.
I also noticed they removed all my links in the link module. I'm curious as to why.
I thought the idea of links is to provide additional related information on the hub topic. Apparently, that is frowned upon.
Had one hub moved to axeladdict and pro edited. It was the last one I did and perhaps writing about something that's still in beta is probably why it got moved over. More than 1000 views in last 30 days. Published 05/09/16
I haven't been writing that much lately for Hubpages so didn't even know about these new domains until today when I noticed the axeladdict.com above hub.
I still get same money I suppose. Able to log on to axeladdict using same password as hubpages.
How do you even find all of the niche sites, is there a list somewhere?
So, your advice is to make sure all mistakes are taken care of, meaningful pictures, and high traffic are needed to get into the niche sites?
Not much can be done about traffic, but the other two are doable. What about Amazon ad modules, as long as there are 300 words per ad, those articles should be okay?
I was confused about the 300 words per ad, but as I understand it now, a 1550 word article, can have 5 ads and be within the guidelines. Even though 5 is probably too many, but that is how the guideline works?
I wonder why they took out all of the commas.
Right now there are only three sites, I think: PetHelpful, Tatring and AxleAddict. You can find links to them on the forums or can search for them on Google.
Marisa and Christy clarified the 300 word thing...it is that you must have at least 300 words in a hub to have one ad. However, there are very strict guidelines about how ads should be presented and how many you should put on an article.
Don't know why commas, etc. were removed in certain places.
As far as traffic goes, writing well on searchable topics and doing the other things I mentioned help to bring it your way. However, that is no guarantee.
Undoubtedly hubs that get a lot of traffic will be first in line to be chosen.
Hope this answers your questions, Sam.
I count 5 new sites so far:
Did I miss any?
I think this is it for now. None missed.
I notice the niche sites seems to have unusual names. I assume this is done on purpose. Can someone explain the logic behind these choices. Does these names help attract readers or improve SEO ranking or just for recognition? Speaking for myself, I find them a bit hard to remember, especially some of the spelling. Just curious.
I'm not surprised you're confused, Sam! Yes, that is how it should work in theory - but what I'm discovering is that the criteria for the niche sites is far, far, far stricter. You'll be lucky if you get to keep even one Amazon capsule, no matter how long the Hub is!
I've only had three articles moved so far, but I feel the same as the OP.
Unfortunate!y, mine are not doing well at all. I would always look forward to the weekends when my recipe hubs would bring in most of my traffic. Not so with my best performing hubs now on Delishably. Both are in single digits today. The best performer which used to bring in up to 90 views a day has 3 views so far today.
I asked Christy about this and she said it will take time. My concern at this point is other hubbers are reporting increases in views since the move which is a very quick turnaround.
I'm glad you're doing well, TIME2, but I'm not seeing it, at least not yet.
It is the Easter weekend so maybe wait for another week and see how it goes?
I agree that all of this will take time. Remember that my hubs are mostly seasonal, and my season is now in its beginning stages, so it stands to reason that with good editing, etc, my views would be higher. Also, on the new site, at least right now, I don't have as much competition as you. The majority of hubs on the RV section right now are mine! So keep the faith. Better days are coming.
Hey! I have one (1) there too! Don't I count as competition?
I only had 9 "axel" hubs, and of those only 1 is on RV's. But hey, it's still 1!
You may have some points, TIME2. I also think it might be the way they are categorized and what search words are used. I think they are harder to find now. For example, there is no turkey category so my turkey meatballs are under Main Dishes.
I've got two Hubs that moved to niche sites - one to Delisha-whatever and the other to Pethelpful.
So far I haven't seen any dramatic change in traffic to either one. They were both older hubs that were kinda quietly mouldering away on the shelf, though, so if the move gives them some added "juice" I'm all for it. I just haven't seen any evidence of said juice yet.
My pet hub was brand new and went straight to the niche site. So far, it has not done well at all. I'm guessing that they will give those hubs time to survive. If they don't they'll probably send them back to the mother site.
That had never occurred to me. Not a bad idea, banishment back to HubPages for non-performance.
What else would they do? If the hub isn't getting traffic, they have to do something with it. I doubt they'd completely delete it because it still might get views...just not as many as they might like to have on that site.
I'm not disagreeing, it'd just never occurred to me. I hadn't thought that far ahead yet. It's a perfectly reasonable thing to do, but the humor aspects when it starts happening could be entertaining to say the least.
I don't think they'll be unfeaturing hubs on niche sites because they have stated already that even hubs that don't get views won't hurt the site. That's kind of strange considering that they use this feature on the main site.
Probably because they hand pick every hub that moves to a niche, while articles are posted by random people on random topics of varying quality on HP proper, with no way for them to really curate that content.
Kicked off the new sites?! I hadn't thought of that either. Yikes!
We have no plans to remove Hubs that have been moved to sites (providing the Hubber does not edit those Hubs to add back spammy elements or otherwise make the Hub significantly worse). Since all Hubs on sites were checked over carefully for quality, even if they don't receive traffic, they shouldn't be impacting the sites negatively.
Good to know. It was just a thought that seemed to make sense. I guess this means that no hubs on the new sites will become unfeatured due to traffic then, right?
I like that, " the mother site" nice way to put it!
I didn't realize that moving hubs to the niche sites involved editing. It sounds like most changes people are getting are minor ones? So far the niche sites that have started up are not ones that I have hubs about, so I guess I'll have to wait to see. I recently updated and improved/polished most of my hubs, so I guess time will tell. The concept, though, is a good one. People looking for one topic will easily be directed to more in the same subject area. Sounds like an increase in traffic for most hubs to me.
I've had a few Hubs moved. A couple were edited with HubPages Pro, one with the Basic editing program, and others were moved with no editing at all.
The main thing they seem to like is to change all the paragraph headings to call-out capsules.
Thanks for the tip. I was nonchalant and using both. I see maybe? there is a different impact using the callout as a lead into the information / story. Do you think that is for a mobile strategy? Curious . . .
It confuses me a bit as I'd have thought the callout capsules wouldn't be labelled as H2, which wouldn't be a good thing for Google - but I haven't actually checked
They only changed capsule titles to call outs on one of my hubs. The rest they did not touch and I had no call outs on those.
Views on that hub I mentioned have risen by more than 30% overnight, some days more.
30% is something to pay attention to. Were these capsule titles in bold letters or just like any other call out.
Bold. They replaced the subtitle capsules and were more descriptive.
TT2 could you tell me a title of one of these hubs that they replaced the titles in? I'm curious and would try and implement it in my top hubs to see the results. On Hubpages not the niche sites yet. I can't seem to find any I did look at axeladdict and pethelpful.
I can't post the title here as it's against the TOS to do so, but if you check the camping section of AxleAddict, and check through my hubs you'll see it. It's pretty obvious.
The truth though, to save you some time, is to simply replace your subtitle headings to large print call out capsules by typing the words into the subtitle section of the callout.
I suspect this technique is best used for how to articles, though, to highlight the steps that show how to do things.
Ok got it. Anyway I think you are allowed as long as it's not a link.
Actually, I got booted out of here for awhile just for mentioning the name of my infamous site.
Haha that is because you mentioned the name of your infamous site I've seen quite a few people mention hub titles when it would help. Such as I got a hub on that topic "title here" go to my profile to check it out as we aren't allowed to post links.
EDIT: Or those posts just escaped the system
It probably depends on which moderator is on duty at the time. Such is life.
I thought there was a complete list of not only the sites that launched, but ones that are planned next. I can't recall where I saw it. Anyone? I had a hub about gardening that was just snipped.
Diet & Fitness
Arts & Crafts
These are the ones that have not launched yet. I can't remember the names of the other six but two are PetHelpful and AxleAddict. There is also one about food and three more.
Home & Garden
Alternative & Supernatural Beliefs
TV & Movies
Pregnancy & Baby
Dating & Relationships
Creative Writing & Quotes
Sports & Hobbies
I think I read this somewhere, but I can't seem to find it... did they say that you will be able to submit hubs to the niche sites for approval in the future, or will we always just post them to general hubpages and they get chosen? Also, I'm assuming our hubs are all going to remain together on our accounts page and not split up on the different sites?
And also - how do you know if your hub is moved to a niche site?
Wow, all of this is news to me. Life had taken me away from HP for a bit. Just published a new hub yesterday for the first time in ages. Then started sifting through Forums to get caught up with old HP friends, only to read about niches and such.
All I have to do is wait for them to create a WWI niche :-)
I think that's a pretty popular topic, so I don't doubt they'll fit it in somewhere. Politics maybe? I doubt you'll have many problems. The quality of your work is quite good.
I believe there is also a site called 'dengarden' (not sure if this has been mentioned and I missed it).
One of my hubs has been moved there. Seems to include home and gardens topics.
I do find most of the niche titles rather odd - I presume there is a reason for this that so far escapes me!
Also, why isn't there an easy way to find a list of these new sites as they appear? - perhaps there IS and I missed it!
Niche sites launched so far (15th April 2016)
http://hubpages.com/community/forum/135 … ost2805379 posted by Christy Kirwan 29th March 2016, here is a list of topics for planned niche sites:
Diet & Fitness = caloriebee.com
Arts & Crafts
Home & Garden = dengarden.com?
Alternative & Supernatural Beliefs
TV & Movies
Dating & Relationships
Creative Writing & Quotes
Sports & Hobbies
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