Im thinking about leaving hubpages...

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   icewave5posted 14 years ago

   I've been here a while, making hubs are hard work and i don't have the time.. unable to see the benefits..might come back one day... Farewell hubpages and to all you hubbers..

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      BristolBoyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I would hardly say thet 4 weeks is a long time but cheerio I guess.

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      Hauntyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      you can stay and publish new hubs when you have the inclination

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      TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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      goldentoadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This departure will keep me up tonight...so sad, so sad.

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         lisafwg01posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Goldentoad, you are very amusing, and I mean that in the best possible way!
         
         Thanks for giving me several chuckles tonight.

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            goldentoadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I give some people heartburn.

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      nazishnasimposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Icewave, am thinking over the same lines too ...

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   DennisBarkerposted 14 years ago

   Each to their own, I've left and arrived back, but it took me two and a half years to return.Life can get in the way sometimes.

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   frogdroppingposted 14 years ago

   Icewave - good luck

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   Good luck Icewaves, I hope you find time to return some day as DennisBarker has done.

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   Jewelsposted 14 years ago

   You can always come back and will be welcome.

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   Marisa Wrightposted 14 years ago

   Icewave, don't give up yet!  I earned nothing for the first three months and then suddenly, I started to earn pennies.  I'm now earning $30 to $50 a month even though I'm only writing one new Hub every couple of months. 
   
   By all means take a break if you haven't got time, but remember to come back and check your Adsense account in a few months' time - you might get a pleasant surprise!

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   \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago

   why not just leave your options open, you will miss us, and we will miss you.....

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   DeskCoderposted 14 years ago

   If you don't see the benefits, then you are probably aren't using Hubpages right.  I have seen some great benefit from the hubs I put up.

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   MSmithHubposted 14 years ago

   I have come to realize that it takes time for result to show in Hubpages. So, don't give up. Keep trying.

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    lawrettaposted 14 years ago

    Ice wave5, i am going to miss u.I wish i had your Hub score. farewell my friend!

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    wittywriterposted 14 years ago

    Do not leave, just take a sabbatical. Come back and check your google adsense and see what happens. It takes time for good things to happen. If you decide to leave, peace be with you.

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    Stay Icewave you can still write a Hub (or not) each month, post in a forum here and there, twitter, Facebook. It doesn't have to be a full-time activity but least you will still *build* your Hub. We are here to help and love seeing eachother grow. Hurry back.

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    Anna Marie Bowmanposted 14 years ago

    icewave, don't leave.  Trust me.  I felt the same way at first, took a little time off, came back.  I don't get a lot of time to write, and it often takes me a long time to write a single hub.  I do them in pieces.  The one I am working on has taken me over a week so far, because I can't find the time to write.

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    Hauntyposted 14 years ago

    If you want to leave, then suit yourself. I know a great community you can leave for. It's at www.hubpages.com

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    icewave5posted 14 years ago

    Ok i'll stay, ill try harder not to leave and harder making more hubs.

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    Jewelsposted 14 years ago

    Welcome back

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    mandybeauposted 14 years ago

    Hope u don't

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    Lady_Eposted 14 years ago

    No don't....  It could be that you are just at the point of breaking through. (positively).  Why not just take a break instead and come back fresh.
    
    On behalf of KC and the Sunshine band I say
    
    "Please don't Gooooooooooooo"!

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    TheSandmanposted 14 years ago

    I wish you well the effort is not wroth the rewards here

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    TheSandmanposted 14 years ago

    write for Hp, write for any one but most of all write for your  self and HP and the corporate conglomerate in general can be controlled by us, we just need the courage to say NO NO NO NO !!!

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    TheSandmanposted 14 years ago

    IF we all F'n quite what do they have, blank pages

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       goldentoadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I disagree sandman, they will have some article producing machine in case of human error

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    TheSandmanposted 14 years ago

    Yes perhaps, but a freakin PC can't do what we can and the advertisers at some point will know that real quick

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       goldentoadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       You would think, but that's the difference between us and them, its all a number to them, an equation, the words hardly matter even if they say they do. Advertisers will be shown numbers, not words.

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          TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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    TheSandmanposted 14 years ago

    I can do real quick math and between you and me and few others 3,00o fans would be lost wih just about 3 of of us leaving and of course there are many many more

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    TheSandmanposted 14 years ago

    figure the math that Google and amazon etc would have to do if just 29 of us left, that are top scores

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    TheSandmanposted 14 years ago

    besides what are you going to loose a dollar week or something, you want readership it is out there

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    cindyvineposted 14 years ago

    I think if we just ignore the marketing how to make a million page hits on Hubpages kind of hubs, how to generate traffic, how to make 89 cents in 6 months and all the other crap and just focus on the good quality hubs that some hubbers are still consistently putting out, then it can still be good.  Just keep a small list of people you enjoy reading and continue with that.  All this challenge stuff is fading already anyway, so if you are here for the community then don't quit.  If you are only here to get rich, then this is probably not the right place for you.

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       TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       exactly  and if the Robby Robot sees all of of a sudden 100 people stop writing Robbie is going to say F'n Meg  what's up

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          Paper Moonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Fortunately my sole reason for being here is not $$$.  I would starve.  I do enjoy it, and noticed a tiny jump from  5c to $15.  My wife having been here just over 3 months, is about to get her first check.  I scoffed at her for the $$$ part at first, but damn if she wasn’t right.  It isn’t much, but it is fun and every little bit helps.  Don’t feel you have to constantly publish.  I would recommend just publishing when inspired, and not when you are not.  No reason to delete an account.  Just sit a spell.  This whole Hub challenge monster has seemed to create a pressure that was not here a just a little while ago.  This too shall pass.  And ditto to cindy!

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             TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Funny thing I have not done a hub since 4/28 and numbers have not gone down at all and often go up, as for the money, artist need to eat, if you have another day job that you like and pays you , then God bless you, we all do not have that, some of us are just writers, actors, photographers etc, and what we earn from our talent is what we eran....DAM IT !m

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       TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I want to write one real top notch maybe  2 on a good week hub, and get paid for it, a decent share of what HP get, because with out you and me HP is going to get Zeltch Zero Nadq, )))))

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          Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          You are getting at least 60%, Hubpages - at most 40%. Not sure what your problem is.

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             TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Gee thought I made that obviousness I want to get apid what I 'm worth

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                Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                I don't think anybody promised you anything close when you signed up. I for example don't think I can even guess what you are worth. Why don't you try to sell yourself to publishers that think they can?

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    cindyvineposted 14 years ago

    Yep Sandman, but how much do HP get realistically?  How many people ever click on those ads?  Personally, I have never ever clicked on an ad.

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       TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Your right and HP need to put some money into advertising and promotion so that the audience grows more people from the out side world.... then more clicks, the reason they do not get click is not our fault but theirs, PROMOTE the site, I suspect they got a real cheap deal with Google and the rest and they put no dollars it to promotion

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          darksideposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          You've got no idea how this business works do you?

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             TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             40 years in Radio an TV On Air and management I think I have some idea how this crap works

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                Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                LOL You obviously have no idea Lack of understanding breeds anger, you know

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                   TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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                darksideposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                I see. You do have no idea.
                
                This is not radio. Or TV. It is the Internet.
                
                Until you can approach it with fresh eyes and an open mind then the answers, which I know you will grasp because you are intelligent, will remain hidden.
                
                The Internet has changed a lot of things. Even I have trouble keeping up with it. I registered an account at Twitter two years ago this month and didn't touch it because I wrote it off for being crap and it's only NOW that I realise how powerful a tool it is.
                
                I recommend the following books: The Adsense Code by Joel Comm and Click: What Millions of People Are Doing Online and Why it Matters by Bill Tancer
                
                And Seth Godin has a bunch of free ebooks that are worth getting ahold of.

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                   TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Your right I bow to you wisdom, I probably don't have the foggiest idea how this internet stuff really works, Your right it's not Radio or TV, but damn man I write my heart out and 9 certs, whats wrong with that picture,m also I have set up Google Amazon and the rest

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       Janet21posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Trust me, people do click.  I am on target to make $60 in adsense earnings this month with just 25 hubs.  And, I make up a very, very, small portion of the total number of hubs on hubpages.  I am just a drop in the bucket, but it does add up.   So, they are making money. 
       
       That being said, I don't click the ads either.  But, there obviously are people that do.  Also, before I started doing online affiliate marketing, I always thought that everyone was already a member of eBay.  I mean who wasn't?  But, do you know that I average 2-3 eBay signup referrals a day?  So, just because I am a member of eBay doesn't mean everyone is and just because I don't click adsense ads doesn't mean that nobody does.

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    k@riposted 14 years ago

    I have grown to love the instantaneous affirmation of writing.  I have never tried any other venue.  I have come to think of you all as my friends.  I would not like to start over.  If you leave, tell me where.  I signed on for 30 in 30, but now I doubt if I will do it.  I like to complete my thoughts and feel the readers deserve more than a tease.  I may not be cut out for blogging, but I do like to research and share! 

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       TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       K@ri, I could not agree more write for you soul and do not to sold you soul :-), ,

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    goldentoadposted 14 years ago

    I didn't come to make money. I came because I figured if someone ever came by and asked me, "what do you like to do?" I would have replied, "well I enjoy writing". That person would have then asked, "well what have you written?" I would have kept quiet at that point, but six months later, I can say,"I have one hub." Then I started making friends and enemies and it got entertaining too, but now friends are leaving, I can't read what anyone is writing(too much coming in), and my enemies have decided its best just to ignore me. But at least have a hub to show I have written something.

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       D Cortezposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       You must have written one hell of a hub to have so many fans.
       
       I joined Hub Pages for the challenge and experience, but I'm staying for the support of fellow writers and plus I love to write.
       
       Writing hubs is hard work, but that will only make us better.

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          goldentoadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          when no one is looking I fan a million other hubbers and I came away with 479 return fan gestures. The other two people read my hub.

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             TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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       Paper Moonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       GT- You rebel  ;P

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    TheSandmanposted 14 years ago

    question my friends, because I knew from the get go it was not for me, so I never looked into it , but what does one get as a reward if you do 30 in 30 or a 100 or what ever, besides sire fingers and hurt feelings

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    k@riposted 14 years ago

    I understand why golden said he would not write for 30 days and if I had it to do over again, I would never have agreed.  But, I had to see if I could...I don't think I can...it is personal.  I spend too much time researching what I write...Oh well!  I can't put my name to something I am not proud of...I did it with the Funny Fish!
    It was not what I like, and although I can do it, I don't like it.    To each their own, but I must do as I see.

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    TheSandmanposted 14 years ago

    well thou I've belted you and frayed you, by the living God that made you,Your a better man than I am Guga Den", I came to make money based on the quality of what I had to offer

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    TheSandmanposted 14 years ago

    Techno screw up, thing I'll change my name to that :-)

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       goldentoadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I screw up all the time too, I blame it on my parents

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    TheSandmanposted 14 years ago

    sometimes I think when I hear stories like this that I don't have my referrals set up correctly, I am not a technical person at all

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       Janet21posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       There is nothing technical about it.  You just need to add the eBay capsules to your hubs and select products.  The trick is finding the products that are going to generate a referral.  That is the hard part.
       
       By the way, my 2-3 referrals a day are across my hubs, lenses on Squidoo and on my blog.  Not all from hubpages.

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    TheSandmanposted 14 years ago

    Darkie you sarcasim is inappropriate, I know more about advertising and promotion than you ever will and I am not at all agree just right

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       darksideposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Your arrogance blinds you. In so many ways.
       
       Follow my previously posted suggestions. Or remain ignorant as well as arrogant.

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          TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Guess your to arrogant to say thank you for seeing my side of it at least on some level, would that be right Darside, I also wonder where you get the screen name from?

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    goldentoadposted 14 years ago

    does anyone feel like lifting a hammer anymore or are we just here on earth now to figure out code keywords? I would feel very empty I spent my life trying to figure that out.

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    TheSandmanposted 14 years ago

    Take one to know one my friend, I have posted what I believe to be a bow to you did you not get it or could you not see it

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    Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago

    lol golden
    well do they know what a hammer is anymore?
    
    actually I think the babyboomers are pretty smart catching on and still remember when a floppy disc was an LP ya left out in the sun too long lol

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       TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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          Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          welcome to hubpages , check out the forums section in help etc ,plus ask people , which I see thats what your doing.
          Youll get it ,well little by little.
          I dont know that much myself ,but I listen alot and try o sort the fact from fluff.
          Darkside helped me before which was very much appreciated because people dont always take the time to explain things.
          Ask yourself too how you best learn
          Is it through visuals? then find info with lots of graphics
          Audio ,sound
          Forget the other one but it means do you learn best by 'doing'
          Good to meet you too .

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       goldentoadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       What's an LP?

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          Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          http://www.fonoteca.ch/yellow/soundCarriers/lp_en.htm
          
          LOL Are you THAT young?

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             goldentoadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Naw, I know what they are, but I never bought one, I think they quit making them around the time I was born! '76

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          TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          LP = Last Person on HP

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             goldentoadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Good one!

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                Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                And gay meant happy ...lol

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    Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago

    Respect is a fine thing, dont ya think.

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    cindyvineposted 14 years ago

    LP is the Learner Profile

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       goldentoadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I thought Cindy you would say LP=Long Penis

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    flread45posted 14 years ago

    Wow I'm not getting in this mess!!!

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       goldentoadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I'd rather be fishing too.

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          TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Happy Medium = Gay clairvoyant

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       TheSandmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       What mess would that be :-)

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    cindyvineposted 14 years ago

    Okay guys, do yourselves a favour, check out Hup Challenge who has so far only managed to do 14 out of the 100 hubs.  And guess what, 4 are them are about car refinancing, all with similar info just differently worded and even the same pics have been used.  Should we flag three of them as sub-standard?  I really can't see how this is improving someone's writing which is the bullshit they're trying to pass on us.

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       sunstreeksposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       In what way are they substandard? If it is because the hub itself is substandard with little content, okay sure.  Is the content not unique, okay. By unique I only mean that the content is not duplicate. Text is not the exact same. Hup's articles are in no way substandard in the context of search engine friendly content.
       
       One method of article marketing is to create many articles that are all very similar but are unique. It is an easy way for article marketers to create many articles, on the fly because they already have everything fresh in their mind, they just say it differently in each article.
       
       My interpretation of the challenge Hup took on was to create unique articles that could make money. He found a keyword he feels he can do well by, and he's working it more then once. The content is unique, its just similar. so what. Rock on.
       
       Sometimes I think hubpages members are spending too much time assuming that hubbers are supposed to be writing for each other. Granted some do, but the main intent of writing for a site like hubpages is to make money. If you write for the members, your not going to do as well as if you write for search engine traffic.
       
       Also keep in mind that if the content was helpful or leads them to what they were looking for, a person finding this article through the search engine does not care that the author has written 4 or 20 articles that are all similar.

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    Leta Sposted 14 years ago

    Just want to say that Sandman DOES have some valid things to say.  At the end of the day, beyond the technical side of the internet--sales, promotion and marketing is the same stuff it has always been--just with a few new tools.
    
    But I don't think you will be 'paid what you are worth,' here frankly, however, because it just isn't set up like that--if you are talking about your quality as a writer.  You need to figure out what works best in this medium and then follow those instructions and produce what works....  And it is true, at least from what I've seen about individual hubs--some are not promoted and linked up as they perhaps should be.  I don't know how they are making those choices--I'm a professional writer and think I'm within my purview saying it.  It does seem to be a bit about what seems popular at times, with Hubpage readers even, which is odd--case in point, my 'Poetry Challenge' hub.  I had published it previously--and it performed poorly.  I published it at a second time--so a specific hubber interested in poetry could see it, and for some unknown reason, it became popular the second time around--AND was promoted and linked up....  Don't think that's a fluke.
    
    That being said, however, there are some people making money on this site.  I'd study them--Chuck, Maddie Rudd, Mark Knowles.  What I do ascertain is that you have to be writing the right stuff in order to encourage clicks--how to's, product reviews, etc.  Quick information seems to be what the outside traffic sources are most interested in.  My personal largest money makers?  Recipe hubs.  Boring to Hubpage readers, but helpful, evidently, to others.

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    vancouverposted 14 years ago

    why leave? maybe just take a break. I love hubpages the people on here are great.

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       darksideposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       He's long gone.

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    cutedollposted 14 years ago

    Wow!!!
    Everybody here is so nice. I like the hubpages more and more now.

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       darksideposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Avoid the religion sub-forum then. Otherwise you'll like it less and less.

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          Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          And also avoid the politics sub-forum too...

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