With the new Google Analytics I have been doing a study on whether it is actually worthwhile doing more hubs. Is Quantity better than Quality. I have written 43 Hubs and out of those 43 Hubs only 8 have made over a Dollar.
The thing that surprised me is that 4 of the hubs were in my first ones and were both short and crap. Some of my more recent ones that I have researched and targeted for keywords have made nothing, not a cent.
One thing I did notice though was one or two topics although not getting many clicks did get a high payout for that click. So basically it's not the keyword, it's finding out how much that keyword pays and also if it's going to be a well read topic.
So in 4 months I have wasted my time writing 35 Hubs, so the moral of the story is 30 Hubs well researched and with high paying keywords on a popular topic will get you a good monthly earner on Hubs. My theory anyway, anyone want to buy 35 Hubs ?
That's gotta suck. I'm sure mine will probably be less.
So you have a 20% success rate - that's a damme site better than i had at the start!
You hit some lucky ones and the older ones are older which is usually better. Have you built any backlinks to any of them?
You got it in one = I dominate "vacation packing tips" - it gets thousands of clicks this time of year - each are worth 5c LMAO! Its finding a good value keyword, its finding a topic which has demand - and its finding a keyword that people want an answer for NOW, and either procastinating about (vacation packing) or are embarassed about ...
35 is a start - I reckon by the time you get to 100 you should have it sorted. BTW if you want to keep on developing a readership, thats nice and that's a different way to make money here - by becoming a freelance writer - but the passive income thing is more sustainable long term i.e. you don't have to keep on working LOL
Fair point Lissie and understood all of that except the backlinks, I can never really follow the backlinks and how to create them even though I read a Hub on it. I think it's because June was such a good month and July has been just dead !
Surely it's worth it, then, even if each click is tiny, providing you get lots and lots of them?
Make sure you dont spam a keyword, keyword spamming is noticed and dealt with by search engines. read my hub on keywords here.
Keywords for best return
hope this helps.
Don't think of them as wasted hubs, think of them as a learning experience, or as an example of what NOT to do in the future.
Remember this story:
A young man asks an old man how to avoid making mistakes. The old man replies, "With experience."
After thinking about the old man's answer for a few minutes, the young man turns to the old man and asks him, "Well, how do I get experience?"
Without skipping a beat, the old man says, "By making mistakes."
Silly question, how do you know which hubs earned money? Do you set up separate channels on adsense or is this info available through the new google analytics? I don't have the new GA, atleast I don't think I do. Maybe I should get it.
You are correct. All is explained tidely in this hub!
You can always link out from the underperforming hubs to your website or your other hub articles. The link juice won't make them a waste.
You're absolutely right BC. I discovered this a few months ago. Its all about 'high paying keywords' and 'high paying ads' which are displayed on your hub. One of my hubs, despite getting thousands of page views in a week, did not generate $$ that another hub with few hundred page views and even lesser clicks generated in a couple days only. One who's here for adsense, should not worry about page views and focus on click thru rate and $$$ earned.
Hi BC - I'm no expert, but some of my hubs which are earning quite nicely (£5 or more a month($7.50)) didn't earn anything for the first month or two. So I think with your newer, more recent hubs, you might need to wait a bit?
Thanks LG I deff think I have keyword spammed and sent my click values down. I am going to go over my paying hubs and take out a load of keywords. Someone earlier said do a website on the based on the best niche but I have done that and it was no good. I at least see some progress and clicks on here plus the help you get. One thing I have learnt on here is how damn helpful people on here are. A lot complain but I have been on a few other websites and I have learnt more on here in 4 months than I have over the last 7 years.
I know I haven't replied to all your comments of advice but I appreciate everyone of them. Thank you !
Look at it this way, you are making a little money but all of us get to read your hubs and enjoy every moment of pleasure you provided us through 43 hubs. More importantly, your writing....
Read hubchallenge tips, and redo your hubs and build backlinks. You can't sell them anyway, but you can convert them into something that makes money for you
I'm constantly going back through my hubs thanks to Google Analytics, changing links out, adding tags and tweaking things to make them more viable. I've written a lot not because I want to make money but because I like being able to share what I know and that's my payoff. It's a constant work in progress.
STOP IT!!!!!!!! You may not be making money, but surely you get some slight joy out of writing and hanging out with us!! Its not a COMPLETE waste. I read somewher, proll on one of your hubs, that holidays and events are a godo thing to write about. I forget all the correct terminology, but ...some days clicks are wotrth more then others...when I wrote that fathers day thingy....every click was woth 10 dollars!! well, nto reall, its a percetnag...I got cents on the dolalr, but its better then when the click was worth .01...you know what I mean.
when Im not here, due to illness or other obligations...my clicks are worthless. I took a few days off awhile ago...I had plenty of views, even from search engines, but I had not been active here, and my score was like, 89...and it didnt matter if I got 1 million clicks...nothing...that has to mean something. I havent figured it out yet.
Cheers Misha and Thanks Dennisematt and Ladybird that I know. I have tried all the keyword stuff and to be honest it's not me as I do write only humor. I intend to just go back to that because the effort with the keyword research isn't worth the payback.
Dennisematt you know I love writing, god more than anything I like making someone laugh. And you know I love the banter etc, I think what I meant was I just intend to be myself and just write for fun from now on. Yeah that's what I meant !
Sorry Fierycj, didnt see you hiding up there lol, it sucks only a bit
Jeeeez never heard of Keyword Spamming, off to have a look, cheers !
As has been stated before, humor and entertainment don't pay that well even though they do draw traffic. That's something you have to accept.
Over time, nearly every single one of my Hubs has monetized, so part of what's playing against you is time, as you've only been here for 4 months. You seriously have to have the patience of a rock, and give yourself another eight months...
Badcompany - the best advice I can give you is to type in "makemoneyonlinewithseo.com" into the search engine and read that blog including all the archives - in fact start from the beginning and work forward to the latest posts. That guy struggled with his first 70 hubs before he cracked the problem but is now minting it.
Also relache is right - celeb stuff, humour, entertainment and politics get loads of hits, but make you no money. That's because people read them for fun or to pass the time at work. They don't click ads. The only people who click ads are those who have a need, and the ad looks like it will solve a problem for them eg they have bad breath, or ants in their house or something. The more desperate they are to solve a problem, the more likely they are to click an ad or buy a product that looks like helping them.
how much you make all depends on the "niche" some niches pay a lot more than others. If you are really looking to make decent money and can devote yourself to one single topic. Look back at which topic/niche paid you most in all of your previous hubs and then start a blog based on that topic alone.
just use blogger it is free and you could make some decent money + keep your hubs up and add a few when you feel like writing about a different subject.
I read some website last night about a guy who wrote 100 hubs as part of a challenge or whatever. week 1 he made $50, week two he made $100 week three I think around $88 and week 4 i believe he made $160 dollars. So lets not rule out hubs for money yet
I find that certain hubs make money certain times, so you really have to have patience with them before you decide to discard them. A few I thought were flops (couldn't understand why because I did love them so) ended up being quite worth keeping them alive.
My experience has been like Frieda's. I have written hubs that seemed like total dogs for a month or more then suddenly I notice they're in my top ten. Sometimes they have to build momentum I think, or hell, who knows? I mean, the internet is full of people who say they know the surefire way to attract traffic but as far as I can tell, while there are some things you can do to help (backlinks, quantity, quality, keywords, good titles) there is an element of crap shoot in all of it. You work your ass off on something and some idiot makes a killing on a video of a hamster playing a piano.
It's like the wild, wild west.
Anyway, don't give up badcompany! I made nadda for ten solid months here. Now it's way better.
By now there should be a link in your adsense account to link to your google analytics account, it usually is right next to your drop down box for your time period report summaries....
I went in to do it and got this message.
No accounts could be found to link.
In order to link an account to AdSense, you must have administrative privileges on that account, and that account cannot have already been linked to AdSense.
You can still go back and create a new account to link to AdSense.
I am not sure why it says that. I haven't linked my GA to adsense yet...
I remember having the same problem, so I had to create another GA account to track my hubpages separately from everything else...unless anyone else has a solution to this, I do not know!
You needed the "new" Google Analytics to see that kind of info about your hubs? Sheesh. Young'uns!
In your latest hubs you talk about gambling and losing weight. I haven't researched, but I've gotta figure that the competition for those keywords is pretty high.
You also did a hub on separation anxiety. You misspelled 'separation'. No wonder folks aren't finding you. In any case, that keyword has an okay number of searches and extremely high competition. You'd be lucky to be getting any results even if you spelled it correctly.
Spelling errors are actually recommended to be part of keyword placements I have found in my GA that people found my hubs with misspelled words strange, maybe but it works. Also, the thing with so-called *wasted* hubs is you can work a keyword into the writing or around a amazon item to sell no such thing as wasted.
pgrundy, I think you've got it right. It is a crap shoot, as to what succeeds and what doesn't. The internet is way too complex to game consistently. Even if the "gurus" tell you it's possible.
When I look at my top 10 hubs I just shake my head and laugh.
Most of my hubs have earned something at least one day out of their existence. However, I see a rotation of hubs with a couple being at the top. Honestly I do not do much key word research and just write like a human being thinks. Once and awhile I will go back and optimize a hub with key word research, but never did this with some of my better performing hubs.
SweetiePie I did that today. I wrote 3 hubs off the top of my head without doing any keyword research at all. And I'm going to do more that way. I just wrote 400 words as though I was talking to someone in a store.
Despite all the analytics I use, I agree there is a large element of luck or chance as to which hubs make money. Some of my lousy hubs do better than the good ones. I try to improve some hubs.
If they are related to a past news event I guess they are not evergreen and do have a shelf life. I am about to delete a couple I don't like. I have only deleted 2 hubs so far.
I agree with what others have said.
But just as a point of interest, there's something else going on here, too. Based on general Internet trends, each person's personal library of hubs will show a long tail distribution--a much-ballyhoo'd statistical phenomenon that applies well to the Web, since the Web is a "land of probability".
It basically means that for large groups of data, you'll have a small number of "hits," a few "lesser" hits, and an infinite number of "tiny" hits. The larger your collection of articles is, the more evident the long tail distribution will be.
You can't really do anything to change it, any more than a group of people can change the normal curve. Even those who earn, and earn well, on every article, generally have their earnings following the long tail distribution.
And--this is really cool--each spot on the long tail has its own separate long tail.
I agree it is a crap shoot. I like the patience of a rock comment.
In my opinion, quality is always better than quantity. And, patience is required to achieve success. I agree about the rock comment, too. For me, the more hubs I create, the more lenses I write, the more blog posts I publish, the more money I make. Slow and steady wins the race.
I think its luck & readership. I'll be the first to say I'd be on cloud nine if I made any money writing. I wouldn't consider it wasted, but a learning experience.
I must say I have learnt something from all of your comments and again thanks for taking time to share them. I guess its back to being patient and taking more time over each new hub. I usually check the spelling on most of my hubs but the Seperation one was a Poem so I didn't bother.
I am going to apply what you have all said and well thanks and enjoy the rest of your weekend !
I accidentally ran across Hubs in the classifieds, my intention was not really about making money, but it would help. I enjoy all the articles and have learned a lot, but in reading through some of the money Hubs, it seems like making money writing is kind of hit or miss.
Sign up for The Keyword Crash Course. It's a buck for the first month. Watch all the video's, take notes and do as Court does. You'll find yourself writing good Hubs on Keywords that pay. There are a lot of high payout keywords in the humor field, they're just not easily found.
Good Luck Mate!
I'm havent affiliated with adsense just yet, because i'm still learning the ropes of hubpages stuffs. But this topic is so informative and in many ways helps me to know how things works here in hubpages... Yeah someway somehow we need to get paid with the hardwork we've done, because we use time, effort and expertise in doing each hubs, but we need to learn some strategies too to make our hubs competitive. This forum topic really enlightened me with some of many question I have...
Thanks badcompany for the topic... if you've followed all the tips given to you and still you're not earning that much... Charge it to experience... for as long your friends loves your hubs that's priceless already...
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