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Any Interest for a Tutorial on How to Rank Well Using the Niche Sites?

  1. lobobrandon profile image89
    lobobrandonposted 10 days ago

    If people want to know how to work on a hub so that it ranks well once published on a niche site, I would be open to writing a guide. I will show you my research process and the way I generally structure the content and how I determine this structure and more. This will take some time to get done as I will create the guide as I update a hub of mine. I aim to take this particular hub from page 2 of search to the upper half of page 1 just by working on the content and I think this can be done. I've done it with other hubs in the past.

    If you're interested you could follow this thread and/or post a reply so that I can see how many people would actually benefit from it.

    1. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 8 days agoin reply to this

      That’s a great idea. Count me in. What’s the title of your article?

      1. lobobrandon profile image89
        lobobrandonposted 8 days agoin reply to this

        I've not written it yet, I wanted to know if people would be interested before I spent the time writing it. I will be writing it this month.

        1. jackclee lm profile image81
          jackclee lmposted 8 days agoin reply to this

          Can you provide some stats on your current articles? How many views per day on average?

          1. lobobrandon profile image89
            lobobrandonposted 8 days agoin reply to this

            Read this: https://hubpages.com/community/forum/33 … c---part-2 I'm not going to provide stats on traffic. You can take what you get from the guide or don't bother reading it. Simple smile

            1. jackclee lm profile image81
              jackclee lmposted 8 days agoin reply to this

              It seems to me, you claim to have some expertise in getting traffic to your articles...
              It should not be a problem to share your results and not a violation of HubPage rules.
              I am just commenting from a user perspective.
              I will read your article and voice my opinion.
              I have strong ideas on what works and what doesn't and some of it depends more on the topic at hand rather than anything you or I can do in the design process.
              Some topics will naturally attract more readers than others...no amount of SEO optimization or other techniques will improve on that...

              1. lobobrandon profile image89
                lobobrandonposted 8 days agoin reply to this

                I beg to differ. You have 506 hubs and only have the 10k accolade. So I'm going to assume you have 99,999 views and are 1 view away from the 100k accolade. I must say your strong ideas on what works and what doesn't, doesn't seem to be working.

                Yes, some topics get more traffic than others. But ranking for the term you want to rank for is what I want to help people achieve. Whether it's pink pigeon poop (Susannah's famous example) or something millions search for, there's a way to rank better.

                I'm close to a Million views if you really want to know, 975,933 right now. And if you read the previous thread I linked to, you will see how I jumped up the rankings. I don't have to share. I can keep it to myself like the others who are successful here keep things to themselves.

                1. jackclee lm profile image81
                  jackclee lmposted 8 days agoin reply to this

                  No need to assume. I have no problem sharing my stats. My total view at the moment after 3 years on Hubpages is slightly over 50k...  I have 500 hubs and I never write to make money for myself or promote my hubs. I am donating all my income on Hubpages to charity.
                  As far as SEO, you may have some edge but it is a loosing proposition. Google changes its algorithm periodically and you are always playing catchup...
                  If you check some of my hubs, you will note many are commentary on various topics. I write for my own satisfaction and don’t really care if no one reads it.
                  If someone finds my writing interesting, or helpful, so much the better.

                  1. lobobrandon profile image89
                    lobobrandonposted 8 days agoin reply to this

                    It's not a losing proposition. If you try to game the system like most SEO people do, then yes it's a losing proposition.

              2. EricDockett profile image99
                EricDockettposted 8 days agoin reply to this

                I would never expect another writer to share their traffic stats. I know I would never share mine. What Brandon is offering to do will benefit everyone here -- everyone who is willing to try to improve, anyway. No matter what they write about.

                Understanding even a little bit about SEO can make a big difference in your traffic. Even a small change to your writing and editing process here and there, such as creating better titles or better meta descriptions or better headers, can lead to improved results. With 503 Hubs, if you can get an extra 3 views per day per Hub that's 1500 extra visitors per day. 45,000 more readers each month. More than half a million more readers each year.

                Whether you care about the money or not, anyone who bothers to write wants people to read their work. Surely you want more traffic, right?

                Basic SEO matters. Brandon does it for a living so he is more advanced than most of us, but everyone can easily learn enough to improve their traffic and earnings here.

                That's what this forum is supposed to be for. Not for silly word games, quotes and jokes and philosophical arguments.

        2. Solaras profile image98
          Solarasposted 8 days agoin reply to this

          Thank you Brandon.  I look forward to reading it!

    2. liesl5858 profile image85
      liesl5858posted 8 days agoin reply to this

      Count me in please, I would like to learn. Thank you, Brandon.

    3. Natalie Frank profile image95
      Natalie Frankposted 4 days agoin reply to this

      Following. Thanks.

  2. DrMark1961 profile image98
    DrMark1961posted 10 days ago

    Following. Thanks for your continued willingness to help us all.

  3. Titia profile image94
    Titiaposted 10 days ago

    Following. Don't know if I will understand it all, but we'll see.

  4. gerimcclym profile image96
    gerimcclymposted 9 days ago

    Following and thank you.

  5. Grant's World profile image84
    Grant's Worldposted 9 days ago

    Interested and following.

  6. NateB11 profile image93
    NateB11posted 9 days ago


  7. Shesabutterfly profile image98
    Shesabutterflyposted 9 days ago

    I would definitely be interested. So far I have not seen much traffic or page increases from articles that have been moved to niche sites.

  8. Sherry H profile image89
    Sherry Hposted 9 days ago

    I am following too. Thanks.

  9. MelRootsNWrites profile image91
    MelRootsNWritesposted 9 days ago

    I am interested.  Thank you for sharing what you've learned!

  10. Lee Charles Laing profile image59
    Lee Charles Laingposted 9 days ago

    I would be very interested Brandon.  I'm new here to HubPages so I'm looking to learn everything I can.  I also appreciate the fact that you would be willing to that to help others.  Can't wait to see it!

  11. lobobrandon profile image89
    lobobrandonposted 9 days ago

    Nice. It should be done by the end of March. Will update this thread once it's published.

  12. viryabo profile image85
    viryaboposted 9 days ago

    I am very interested in this and will definitely be following.
    Many thanks for sharing this, Lobobrandon.

  13. sallybea profile image98
    sallybeaposted 9 days ago

    Yes, I would be interested.

  14. kannanwrites profile image92
    kannanwritesposted 9 days ago

    Interested and following.

  15. profile image59
    jamesjackoposted 9 days ago

    You can follow this site.

    https://www.nichepursuits.com/how-my-ni … n-62-days/

    & https://nichehacks.com/niche-seo-tips/.

    These sites actually post case studies on niche sites. They are very helpful and rest depend on your actions.

    1. lobobrandon profile image89
      lobobrandonposted 9 days agoin reply to this

      Yup, they are both pretty decent case studies. But, translating the knowledge to Hubpages is what is important. There are so many things you can do on your own website which you cannot do here. The niche sites here are already built up very well and they use decent JSON LD markup too. It's definitely easier to rank using the HP niche sites as they stand today than beginning your own website.

      1. profile image59
        jamesjackoposted 8 days agoin reply to this

        Yes you are right. Having the authority HP has an advantage to start niche site here rather than putting up new one.

        1. lobobrandon profile image89
          lobobrandonposted 8 days agoin reply to this

          Yeah, that's not what I meant. Just saying that it's easier. Does not mean you shouldn't start your own. Like everyone says, never have all your eggs in one basket.

  16. EricDockett profile image99
    EricDockettposted 9 days ago

    I'm interested. I do okay with the niche sites, but there is always room for improvement!

    1. lobobrandon profile image89
      lobobrandonposted 9 days agoin reply to this

      Yup. That's my philosophy too.

  17. HoneyBB profile image97
    HoneyBBposted 9 days ago

    Definitely interested and looking forward to it. Thank you.

  18. Daniel Mollat profile image97
    Daniel Mollatposted 8 days ago

    I'm definitely interested in your project and following this thread. I'm curious though. Your profile shows that you only have 15 articles published. Could you give us newbies an idea how your 15 articles are doing traffic wise and earnings wise? I understand these are confidential questions but could you give us some guidelines on these questions?

    I asked because I've been made to understand that one must write hundreds of articles to rate high in viewer rankings and earnings. But here you are with only 15 articles and already expert enough to offer your help to those of us who are still trying to get a good grasp of how things work in HP.

    I'm very much looking forward to seeing your completed project.

    1. lobobrandon profile image89
      lobobrandonposted 8 days agoin reply to this

      I have only 15 of articles, yes. And of those 15 most are not the best. I just have not had the time to work on them. Like Eric pointed out above, I do SEO for a living (over 8 years now) and at the same time, but I am also in the last stages of my master's course in a particular branch of renewable energy. I don't want to open on a public forum. So no more details on that.

      You did ask in a very nice way, so yeah I have close to 1M views and last summer I had 4 hubs getting me around 700 visits a day and this year I expect it to be even higher as I worked on 2 of those hubs and the rankings have improved significantly. Throughout the year I have a hub getting around 400 a day and many throughout the year get 100+ a day. I make payout through the HP ads program each month and I cross the threshold by a lot, I'm not just scraping 50.

      But like I said earlier, take what you want from the guide. I believe in learning something from everyone. A newbie can teach you stuff too. I have a few websites of my own, HP is just the place to be where I can interact with others and I do see that the niche sites have a lot of potential. So I am planning on writing a few more hubs, but only after I update the ones I have right now to meet the quality I am happy with.

    2. DrMark1961 profile image98
      DrMark1961posted 8 days agoin reply to this

      You do not HAVE to write hundreds of articles to rate higher. If lobobrandon had more time to write here, however, he would already have the 10million accolade. Your articles I have looked at are good and you could stop now, edit them several times a year, and easily make payout each month. If you want to earn more though I recommend you write even more high quality articles.

      1. jackclee lm profile image81
        jackclee lmposted 8 days agoin reply to this

        Quality is subjective. I am not convinced a higher quality number by HubPages will being higher viewers. It really depends on the subject matter and what people are searching on. The title and keywords are important to rank high with google and other search engines. Just by being with hubpages, we already have an advantage. Many of my hubs rank in the top 10 of google search...and bing search engine.

  19. WryLilt profile image91
    WryLiltposted 7 days ago

    I'm looking forward to reading your hub, Brandon. From everything I've seen you post in the forums, you're obviously quite up to date and intuitive with SEO.

    And hub numbers certainly don't matter - I recently passed 7 million views and only have 65 hubs published now - I rarely hub anymore, but it's still a good income source. I usually write on other sites, the majority of which I own, so I can keep all the income.

    If anyone remembers Misha, he used to have less than 20 hubs and one of those hubs made him over $100/day.

    1. lobobrandon profile image89
      lobobrandonposted 7 days agoin reply to this

      Oh yeah, Misha, that name does sound very familiar. Good to know.

      Btw, Susannah since you have websites too, you may be interested in this article by Matt Digitty, my favourite On-Page SEO dude: https://diggitymarketing.com/keyword-cannibalization/

      I did know about Keyword Cannibalization before, and I've worked on it too, but there are some pretty cool ways to track it which would help you work on it. This is if you want to increase your traffic via search. I would think you have a good brand name for your sites so this may not be a huge concern to you, but it's worth a read.

      1. WryLilt profile image91
        WryLiltposted 7 days agoin reply to this

        Interesting. I've always been wary of any of my articles competing with each other in the same SERPs, but I didn't know there was a name for it. Usually when I create duplicate content articles, I change the titles so there's no or little competition.

        1. lobobrandon profile image89
          lobobrandonposted 7 days agoin reply to this

          Yup, there's a term for it. Using an example on the topic of my hubs, what I noticed was the pages on Growing tomatoes in pots and containers was competing with my main page Growing tomatoes from seed.

          The titles are obviously different, but the term Growing Tomatoes is probably what confused Google and makes it think that they are both on the same topic.

          So what I did was, I merged those two pages and had a H2 heading for the section that discussed growing tomatoes in pots and containers. And after the merger, I rank better for both those terms, firstly because there is no internal competition (in Googles eyes it was probably duplicate content which is actually not the case) and secondly because the single page now has more in-depth content. I do have a very helpful table of contents on the top and this helps my readers too as I'm sure people looking for guidance on how to grow tomatoes would be interested in details on how to best grow them in pots.

          Also, Google now shows a clickable link to the section "growing tomatoes in containers" on the meta description when someone searches for this term.

          P.S: I don't have a gardening website, just used this as an example.

          1. DrMark1961 profile image98
            DrMark1961posted 7 days agoin reply to this

            How do you notice when one article is competing with another of your articles though? I have several articles on skin and ears and sometimes the information overlaps. Will Google consider this duplicate info?

            1. lobobrandon profile image89
              lobobrandonposted 7 days agoin reply to this

              It's hard to track on Hubpages. You're going to have to manually check the page that is ranking for that keyword in incognito mode over a few weeks to see if the wrong page ever ranks.

              Right now my watering tomatoes hub ranks better for how to grow tomatoes than my how to grow tomatoes hub. I noticed this by checking rankings occasionally. This is because the latter is relatively new to Dengarden and also the former is a lot more comprehensive so it does rank better. I need to work on the second one and make it good. Right now I'm not at all proud of it.

              What I would do in your case is study 5 hubs which you think could be competing at a time for a period of 3-4 weeks. I would look up the main keywords of these hubs and see which hub ranks for that term. If they do not switch around you're good. Else, you would have to do something about it, an internal link with the right anchor does help. But I am not sure if your topics are directly linked for you to do this.

  20. SheilaMilne profile image94
    SheilaMilneposted 5 days ago

    I read on another thread that you may not be publishing a hub, but instead put the article on a website. If that is so, I'd like to register an interest please.

  21. lobobrandon profile image89
    lobobrandonposted 5 days ago

    No, I will put it up here. If it can help many people, the one or two that use it and don't appreciate it don't really matter.

    I will begin working on this on the 21st of March as I have university stuff until then. And I am waiting for changes on a few hubs to take effect so that I can include them in the study. By the end of the month, it should be live.

    One thing I can say to those who want to work on their hubs is: Analyze your competition for the keyword. Look at the top 20 results. Is there something they are talking about that you aren't? Even if it is just one sentence. Is this information useful to anyone who comes to your page? If yes, do a little more research on that sentence and include it in your hub. Check out my hub, is the tomato a fruit or a vegetable. I recently followed this principle and extended it. Also, the quality wasn't the best. The older  version of the hub is here: https://web.archive.org/web/20180310183 … -Vegetable

    EDIT: If you see, I included another link to a dengarden hub, from a hubber I do not know. I did this because the hub is good and related to what I was discussing. This adds a quality external link and at the same time helps the search engines better understand my topic through analyzing the other pages I link out to. Details on why I did this and how if affects you will be presented in the hub.

    1. Grant's World profile image84
      Grant's Worldposted 5 days agoin reply to this

      Awesome tips thank you.

  22. theraggededge profile image99
    theraggededgeposted 5 days ago

    I'll be watching this one smile Thanks in advance.

  23. janmodric profile image83
    janmodricposted 4 days ago

    Why don't you mention some quick tips about how to rank niche topics right here?

    I would be interested if you have something to say about the structure of the subtitles, for example. Also, what you believe about links. This has changed lately. What is potentially not/effective link?

    1. lobobrandon profile image89
      lobobrandonposted 4 days agoin reply to this

      I can't discuss subtitles quickly, but links, yes. It's good to have outgoing links to sites that are related to your work. Never overdo it.

      - Always make sure your article can stand on its own.
      - There are going to be interesting branches of your topic which you don't cover, link out to those.
      - Add references to your work

      The references and the other links show search engines that your article is indeed what it thinks it is about (based on the words of your article). Just placing links for no reason is pointless. This does not on its own increase rankings in topics with even a little competition. But it does help search engines determine what you are writing about.  And more importantly it adds to reader satisfaction and they don't go back to the search results (lower bounce back to search) to find other helpful articles on the same topic. There's a lot more to it though.

      EDIT: SEO is not gaming the system, it is as the abbreviation suggests, search engine optimization. You are helping the search engines determine the worth of your work. Keyword stuffing, placing links when not necessary etc just shows that your work is sub-par and that is the signal you give search engines when you do this.

      So anyone who thinks that SEO is changing is wrong, search engines are just getting smarter and can now figure out when you're trying to play with the system.

    2. lobobrandon profile image89
      lobobrandonposted 4 days agoin reply to this

      I did mention a tip just before your post, not sure if you read that: http://bit.ly/2DrvUNK

  24. Leland Johnson profile image90
    Leland Johnsonposted 4 days ago

    Brandon, if write it I'll read it!

  25. daydreams profile image98
    daydreamsposted 4 days ago

    I would be interested. I tend to just write articles and hope for the best- it would be useful to learn some tactics to try.

  26. Leonie Manguilin profile image60
    Leonie Manguilinposted 4 days ago

    Wow, interesting. Following!

  27. Joshua Crowder profile image92
    Joshua Crowderposted 4 days ago

    Yes please!