What am I doing wrong...Actually it would probably be easier to say what am I not doing wrong?!?!?!
Please HELP me....
Ann, you may be best served to focus on paying freelance gigs as a full time deal and then use this as a passive income and build over time. Use the 2 together and you can make a nice income working from home. Take a look at my hub that was for this weeks hubmob topic it is writing to make money online. great info in it and some places you can get work writing.
Thanks so much for your speedy reply Has_aWayWithWords. I'll have to take a look at that asap!!!!!
Write more hubs.
It took me a good six months before I started making any cents at all on a daily basis, (and a good few weeks before I made my first cent!), so don't lose heart, it just takes time. Also it is true what Maddie said about humour hubs, (I have done loads of them too), they don't really make money, but are fun to both read and write. Sadly the more boring hubs make the money, e.g. product reviews, how, why, where type hubs etc.
Keep writing good quality hubs, it took me to 11 months to my first check, just because I had not decide to learn what works here at hubpages. Always keep learning practical lessons and avoid theoretical lessons which will lead you nowhere
You're not having patience (that's what you're doing wrong)!
Not making any either yet but at least I am writing. If writing is what you like to do than take joy in that liberty and freedom. You now have the opportunity to gain exposure to your thoughts and creativity to the entire world - FREE! This age is unprecedented and I know I am grateful for it. I just put my faith in all the other replies that it takes time and that it will come. Have hope! All good things take time and patience. "Get rich quick" ideas will inevitably land you on your back if not your glutius maximus. Ouch!
You are so right! I am loving the atmosphere of writing here and the kind people-yourself included- I am so greatful to be a part of this place and I really don't care if I don't make money but I thought I might have set up everything wrong...(I do that a lot!)
Thanks for your comment and I WILL take joy in the fact I can write!
You need a bit more patience - you have only been here 5 weeks and written 12 hubs.
It usually takes between 6-10 months to really start making money. Keep writing quality original content and learn all you can about SEO, backlinking, keywords etc.
Thanks...so where can I get info on this stuff...the keywords and such. Honestly I'm not in it for the money but i figure if I am here I might as well try!
It looks like you're mostly writing humor pieces. These are not going to earn as much as informational hubs would. People generally search for tips, how-tos, and product reviews, and are most likely to click on ads on that type of content.
Thank you Maddie! Go figure!!!...I guess I better change my tactics!!!!
Ann, I would research several hubs here by Darkside, Relache, RyanK, sunforged and a few others - they detail how to make money on hubpages & they all write very good info. Just us the search bar & you'll find the hubs Happy reading
Thanks....You are an Incredile Hubber...recommending other's work! Two thumbs up Jane!!!!!!!!!
I have not made much at all myself here, but for me its getting the writing done, I am not into this for the money..
I guess you just have to look at it in different perspectives..
Well I am not either...but a little extra wouldn't hurt...But the best thing about HP is of course the WRITING! Thanks!
Don't feel bad, Ann. Look how many hubs I have, and I'm barely making any money, either. I thought after creating back links, the traffic would pick up, but so far it hasn't. And my hubs run the spectrum from travel to education to recipes to diseases. Apparently, I'm doing something wrong, too.
I checked out how many you have, glanced at your titles and was impressed with your bio and thought, "Hey, I should be following her!!!!" and so now I am!
Thanks for the encouragement...I thought I was doing something majorly wrong because I am not a tech whiz but who knows.....
Habee, I had a quick look at your Hubs. You would find it helpful to read my Hub on "My HubPages Tips", which I wrote to help Bard of Ely optimize the layout of his existing Hubs for money-making.
You need to write longer pieces here than at Helium. I used to aim for 600-700 words, but now I'm reading that Nelle Hoxie thinks Google likes 800+ articles even better, and she's aiming for 1,500 words.
I imagine whats happening with the 800-1500 word articles is the authors are naturally creating more long tail keywords/phrases within their text.
2 or 3, 500 word articles would most likely add up to the same or more traffic plus give you the added bonus of being able to interlink and purposely target specific terms within your URL's
One can always add more text if a page is proving to be promising
Sunforged, I'm sure you can't blame me for following Nelle's advice, considering her staggering success! I think you're right about why the longer articles work, in fact I think Nelle said as much.
Absolutely not! Nelle would be THE hubber to watch in my book.
But not because of SEO gimmicks, rather good old fashioned hard work (she has written how many hundreds of hubs in how little time!) very smart strategic planning (did you hear about her notebooks?) careful seasonal consideration and a real knack for finding market trends including looking in uncommon places (for an internet marketer) for information.
and Im sure im missing much...plus she gets seo and search traffic psychology more than she mention
Nelle, if you read this sorry to dissect!
...just as far as the general concept of "do search engines prefer a specific amount of text" I THINK the longer text after say 400-500 words is only helping by lengthening page view time and having more long tail keywords, naturally.
That same effect, plus some ,can probably be done with interlinking groups of shorter (net attention span size) hubs after some moderate keyword research
But than again you would have to try pretty hard to unseat someone who created hubs like Nelle as she interlinks 1500 word hubs!
It does take time to make money, but it's well worth the wait. I agree with what the others have said, all good advice. You can also try driving more traffic to your hubs. Good luck and keep at it.
I'll take your word for it, Wren! Thanks!!!!
Your hubs come across as blog posts. Which will only work if you have some level of fame (or infamy) where people want to read a light hearted and often witty update. Though they won't index well with the search engines.
Go for DIY, informational, how-to, educational. And what Maddie suggests.
Search engines will eventually pick them up and if you rank highly you'll get quality traffic.
Just a side note: getting a community following at HubPages isn't quality traffic. The hubbers themselves are good people, but we're not likely to click on ads or buy products off a hub. So if you want to make money you have to look further afield. And do some keyword research. Find out what people are looking for. If you can find a compromise between what you enjoy writing and a topic with decent traffic then you're on your way to making money.
Thanks darkside. I was told to look you up and I feel as if I stepped into the dark side of writing, considering this AMAZON is WAY OVER MY HEAD...just joking....Perhaps I should just forget the money making business online and stick with my book project? LOL
I really appreciate your advice and will take it to heart, however I still want to do both, so as to not forsake my writing passions! haha
I'll definitely be stopping by your hubs soon and researching in the days to come....and again THANKS a lot and you have the gift of explaining!
Check out my hub on Capsules. The information is a little dated (they have changed the look of the information palette that comes up when in edit mode for the Amazon capsule). But the instructions on how to find the ISBN/ASIN is still relevant.
It's worth tossing in an Amazon capsule with a few specific products that are directly related to the topic, just in case a person is interested in learning more (a book on the subject) or if you had a hub on muffin recipes you could select a cookbook with more recipes, an assortment of muffin/cupcake trays, even the ingredients (Amazon Grocery has flours, coloring and flavors).
I'd go as far as (providing there's enough content to keep it from looking like a big mess) selecting wooden spoons, mixing bowls, mixer, apron... do it tastefully. Whether it's picking your favourite of each, or if you want to give a range, don't go overboard. Don't choose 20 electric mixers (OMG, check out this one) because you've just made it really hard for the reader, who might end up being a customer, to make a choice.
Make it easy for them. Choose one you're familiar with. One that you'd highly recommend.
Otherwise choose three. Three is the perfect number when giving a people choices. Whether they're all the same price or what you do is find the cheapest, the most expensive, and one that is half way between the two. That gives them a good indication of how much it's going to cost if they're going to pursue a hobby in muffin making.
With Amazon products in your hub you have a chance of making a sale AND it also breaks up the monotony of too much text.
Mark Knowles has hubs that lean towards Amazon sales. They're worth taking a close look at. I wouldn't try and sell the same products as him, but see how he does it and the layout.
And again I can see why I was referred to you, darkside, as you make everything seem easier....
LOL what misty said is sooooooooo true. I have been here a month and only got a few dollars in my adsense, I have a ton of clicks through Amazon but no conversions which is kind of crap since they don't keep a cookie it is like a one and done visit thing
I'm going to tell you exactly how to fix one hub to make more money.
The scrapbooking keyword:
1 scrapbooking (search) 1,310
2 digital scrapbooking (search) 1,078
3 scrapbooking supplies (search) 528
Move that picture down. Make the phrase:
a scrapbook can make a perfect gift
Then submit to socialbookmarking sites like:
and any others you use.
Make sure you use the same keywords and tags. That should help it climb up on the search engines.
Contact me if you like. That should be enough to get it ranking on Google. I didn't check it's exact placement right now, but it will definitely improve. Track it's traffic.
Wow, thanks...I'm not sure if I completely understand, so I definitely will be contacting you someday to get some more advice and to clarify!
I'm sorry, I kept losing my place. My son is jumping on the bed, driving me nuts! lol...
I'll try to explain a little better. The keyword scrapbooking gets is searched 1310 times.
http://freekeywords.wordtracker.com/?se … _offensive
That is pretty good. So, that hub can be lucrative for you if you can get on the first page of Google. How do you accomplish that? By getting backlinks. The easiest way of getting backlinks is by using social bookmarking sites. You can also post it on your social media sites, forums and do follow blogs (you can check out my hubs). That should give it more weight on the search engines.
Your keyword should be in your title and first few sentences. Putting the keyword phrase in bold is like giving the bots a little shout. Using the correct tags on the social bookmarking sites gives it more of a boost.
I hope that helps. If you need more help, hit me on Twitter:
I work from home doing seo, social media marketing, etc. I'm online most of the time...
Gotcha! Sort of! LOL. I don't do twitter, believe it or not, but let me see if I can figure it out with what you gave me and I'll go from there....Thanks so much!
Ann if you like, you can check my page about writing online to make money. There is a list of sites where you can get freelance jobs and then at the bottom there are 2 social bookmarks I use regularly to promote my own stuff here on hubpages. If you are trying to make money I highly encourage both an active and passive approach to start. Once the passive starts snowballing the pennies you can cut back the active writing and focus on what you enjoy.
I'll second what Maddie and darkside have said. And here's a Hub I wrote about earnings that you might find helpful,
Ha ha ha...I asked God for patience....This is IT! hahaha..Thanks for responding! You ALL are too kind!
Better go sharpen my pencil!
Decide which you want to do would be advice. if you want to make money get serious about it - there is serious money to be made but you need to focus on understanding how to pick the right topics first and the writing second.
Bascially creative and humorous writing will earn you ziltch - thats not to say they aren't without merit - jus that you would get rankings in the search engines for terms people are searching for and advertiser are paying for!
I think I am getting the picture. I love writing what I want to write about...Decisions, Decisions!!!!!!Thanks Lissie
The worst thing you could do is give up!
If you need to make money, do freelancing work, but put aside one day a week to improve your Hubs, start writing about products, or product catagories, mess around wih advertisements, and start linking your related hubs together!
The money will begin to trickle in
No...I I won't give up...Just rethink my plan a little! All of you have been giving really great advice! Thanks so much!!!!!!
Marisa Wright also just recently wrote a hub about improving your hub format so that people can click on your ads more easily.
I have a couple of hubs on helping people make money on Hubpages, part of one is about amazon advert placement, which might help you!
Money or Art. Decisions, decisions...
One thing for sure, if you want to make money you have to work out what other people want and be prepared to abandon your own interests as soon as you sit at the keyboard.
You can colour information in many different ways, of course and to that limited extent, writing for adsense can be creative. It certainly beats many other jobs but it ain't Shakespeare.
I think it's good that you are thinking about this now rather than going on for a year or so in the creative furrow then suffering genuinely massive disappointment when you realise that Hubpages isn't really about magazine style feature articles or personal testimonies- not if you want a cash reward at least.
Yeah five weeks in rather than five years!
I found this article, though written largely for own website users having Adsense, has lots of common-sense advice. It is one of the best articles, down to earth, I have ever read on this subject at Hubpages.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Adsense-Discove … r-Earnings
To be frank, I have read several other hubs on this subject, written by many, but most of them are with borrowed ideas, without much of personal authority.
Thanks......C.V..I'm on my way to read it now..I also have Adsense so this of course will help!
Ann, darkside said it well - as did Maddie and others. Also check out Mark Knowles hubs on "How To". his advice has proved invaluable. It does take some time. I thought I would never figure it out, but it's gradually starting to make sense and become easier with each hub.
I think that one useful thing to do (and I apologize if this sounds flippant) would be to stop trying and just do it.
If you really want to monetize anything - just seek out ALL the relevant sources, model others, learn from the best, and best yet - Never ever ever ever give up! There's plenty of money out there, you just have to tap in to it!
No, I don't think you are being flippant....and guess what...I actually did make some this past week. It's a small amount but a beginning. Thanks for taking time to answer, Renee!
I've figured out how to make $$$$ online.
(Just press shift+4 four times)
You definitely have to be patient. I also find that, at least for me, the $$ comes in waves. I peaked around Christmas and am now peaking again because Valentine's Day is approaching. I'm find that if you tailor certain things that are specific to holidays and seasons that it's a good way to get traffic. I'm still learning, too, though! Good luck.
Thank you so much Naomi! You all have been so gracious in your comments and answers when I know you all are probably thinking whaaaat is wrong with Ann? LOL
I guess it all boils down to hard work and a truck load of patience!!!!!
Interestingly mistyhorizon, some of those product review hubs may be some of the easier ones to write, and may be good fillers around a variety of other interesting topics we like to write about.
Incidentally, I haven't done any product review hubs, and now that you mention it, I may just have to try one or two, see how it feels, and see if any results come.
That's another nice thing about HubPages, BTW, the separation of individual hubs. Each one stands on its own, so you can be very diverse in your selection of topics to write about.
I found specific product review hubs are high conversion BUT poor traffic. Instead Hubs surrounding a genre or a problem, but mentioning specific products, get high traffic and high sales.
I work on the principle that I get more traffic if I attract people searching for a soluton to a problem, because people that already have the solution go to a major website to buy direct
True that, but pumping out review hubs is a piece of cake. I can write 3 simple laser target niche review hubs in the same amount of time I write one information beast and they give me about the same amount of income. Meh, maybe I'm just lazy
Don't give up, if you stick at ti you will start to earn, it just takes a while for the ball to start rolling!
Thanks, Oli...Things are looking up!!!!!!! LOL
I'm glad to hear that Ann. They are for me too, little by little. I have only made three dollars on ad sense so far but I am keeping my head up, besides I really enjoy it here. I do wonder if there if anyone here who ever went from earning almost nothing to much more in a matter of months after being here for over 6 months?
Madison, you're also writing on abstract subjects like happiness. If you do want to make money, you have to ask yourself - if someone comes to a Hub on this topic, are they going to want to buy something?
You don't have to do product reviews or "how to's" to earn money, it can be less direct than that. For instance, you might have a Hub about recovering from depression - visitors would be interested in buying books about that on Amazon. But if you're just writing general Hubs about feelings, it's unlikely Google will present visitors with very relevant ads - so if you're not offering specific, relevant items from Amazon, you're not going to make any sales.
Ive been registered for 14 months. My first article was published in nov of 08.
I wasnt focusing on any of the hub based aff networks nor was my traffic that amazing or of the 'revenue/search" type crowd.
In July 09 - I had 20 something hubs published, I went through every hub and changed titles and headers and tags based on my better understanding of on page search optimization - within that month my overall traffic went up 200-300% ...this spurred me to pay more attention to HUbs as an actual revenue source and write more articles with the right type of traffic in mind and my earnings literally skyrocketed, so around 8 months in and I became very happy with Hubpages revenue results!
Each type of aff network that hubpages offers should have a very distinct optimization method, Nelle's Hubs are a great example of how to sell amazon products - eBay is very similar BUT in THEORY (mine) in order to get the most per click you have to avoid sending window shoppers and make sure you pre-qualify and send very targetted traffic to ebay.
Adsense is a whole different animal..I actual found this thread because it comes up in related forums in this hub why dont i make money with adsense ..you know it should work the other way! related hubs should come up next to forum threads!...they would be way more likely to answer the questions..doncha think
I heard that you can learn how to make money online at Keyword Academy, the easy to follow lessons teach you how to make money on Hubpages and how to build residual income with keyword research and article directories, so if you want to know how to succeed with Hubpages you should read the keyword academy blog. Hope this helps!
Wow! I also thank everyone for the advice because have learned more from reading them.
I have the same problem, not making any money...hubpages nor amazon...I am open to suggestions
I'm one of many hubbers who has followed all of the typical "make money" advice, read all of the "how to" hubs on the subject, etc. And, no, I'm still not making any "real" money -- but I do expect to see an increase a few months from now.
Here's what I'M not doing right:
1) I'm not selling a seasonal product, at the right time (or at all).
2) I'm not creating a spider web of hubs (with one exception that actually provides my most views / income)
In other words, these two things I'm not doing are KEY to making REAL money here.
Lynda, at only 2 months old, I wouldn't expect you to be earning much even if you were doing every single thing right!
Almost every Hubber finds that their Hubs need to mature before they start earning significant amounts. There have been a couple of notable exceptions - but they were exceptions and it was because they hit on a very good niche.
Bear in mind you need to write your seasonal Hubs at least 3 months before the event, and preferably 6 months ahead. I think Mark Knowles and Nelle - the two seasonal gurus - plan a year ahead! That gives your Hubs plenty of time to rank naturally.
being oddly new, i found an increase in traffic over the last two weeks, believably due to diversity in the subjects
food, philosophy, religion and marketing.
plus back ending them into the social network twins has helped.
not alot of clicks yet, but tons of impressions. also launched social network page specifically dedicated to published content on HP.
what i am not doing right is specifically engaging new people to join.
Twenty One Days, what do you mean by "the social network twins"?
WoW! I forgot I started this forum post....I still have the same problem but am okay with it as I have re-evaluated and decided my place here is to write from the heart....and if i happen to make a quarter here or there then so be it!
Thank you ALL for the great advice and for all your help!!!!
I don't think you should give up on making money Ann. I will openly admit that while many of my hubs end up top ten on Google and the other search engines only about 10% of my content seems to make decent money. But those that do tend to keep making money for years and years. Quite often what does work is what you least expect and I have heard many others say the same exact thing too. Keep rolling the dice and your bound to get lucky sometimes.
I would bet that while the top earners here make a lot more than I do their success rate probably isn't significantly higher than mine is, maybe 25% at best imo. Many of the top earners have been here a long time, created a ton of hubs and are now enjoying the long term residual income from the hubs that did work. Does anyone disagree with this viewpoint?
While it is rather hit or miss it does slowly add up over time to something significant! Have patience and the money will come.
Awww thank you! And that is so cool that you are often top ten in agoogle's search engine! Good job!
This image shows the effect of time on hub traffic. No new hubs have been added for months and no new backlinking done (by me).
Apart from the dip around Christmas / New Year you can see how traffic is improving as the hubs 'age'.
I realised that I spend a lot of time on HubPages and not enough time on other sites. It's like HP is my 'home' site and I don't 'get out' enough.
Getting out, networking and creating backlinks is important.
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