Life my friends tis a strange thing and it always makes me laugh. As that old TattoGuy I was granted access to the Forums but was banned again by a paranoid woman reporting me and I had a lot of emails supporting me on my reply to this person.
Thing is yesterday this same coward who reported me left me a really abusive message on Facebook and then blocked me so I ask you, yes you the Hubsstaff isnt it about time you give us a bit of slack here on the forums, we are not kids.
Ryankett should be back on here, the guy is working bloody hard for you and making you money and I do my best to give newbies a heads up. Its up to you Mr Deeds, because to be honest I think you are way too strict Paul. You have a fantastic website here but man ya gotta realise that in all walks of life people will argue, such is life.
Lift Ryanketts ban, let the forums be what they used to be, I used to love the fun on the forums, to be honest I enjoyed Tantrum and TK baiting me and so did the hubpages members, now, well I leave that up to you Paul, pull my plug and all my hubs will be deleted as fast as Shergar on a good day but think about what I am saying Paul, I dont have a big following for nothing, cut us some slack !
Rules are rules, Badco, and you know them well. I didn't notice the post that caused the ban, but the bottom line is - you don't have to bite back when people like that bait you. Instead, reply saying you could say something, but she's not worth getting banned for.
I hope you won't delete your Hubs if you do go - that would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. After all, you are earning money!
Marissa at the end of the day someone has to take a stand against these stupid petty rules. In my eyes Ryankett should never have been banned as he is making Hubpages a lot of money each month.
We have these baiters who are making hubpages nothing at all in revenue and yes rules are rules but hubpages lives on revenue made by good writers like Ryankett, it is time changes should be made in the rules, ok swearing or total abuse yes, but silly stuff. nooooo and trust me I will delete every single written word I have written, I am a stubborn Irish Bugger !
When you joined HP, you agreed to their TOS. The rules here have been put in place for a reason and, if you are unable to follow said rules, you deserve to be banned. You must also realize that the staff of HP are very busy and will sometimes miss banning someone who deserves it.
Bottom line - If you want to make your own rules, go make your own website. I doubt it will ever be as good as or as popular as HP, but you're always free to do that. And, if you weren't happy with such "petty" rules, you shouldn't have joined in the first place.
I cant Dame she sent me a really abusive message on Facebook and laughed knowing she blocked me and laughed knowing she got TattoGuy banned for calling her paranoid, trust me Paul Deeds I do understand you have to keep people in check but like one month you have Ryankett as member of the month and interviewing him and next you ban him because hes outspoken.
Of course Ryan is outspoken, hes English and like us Irish we say it as it is. Paul I am not telling ya how to run yer website mate but take it from me you are so killing these forums with what I can only call yer dictator rules !
I agree, let Ryankett come back. this forum is for the community and before his ban he did more for this community than most. Remember, he is the one that brought that huge copyright infringement to our attention. Cool off bans are fine and probably needed but a permanent ban on someone that is producing traffic and revenue to this site is just wrong.
Well said my friend, this is what I am calling for, people like Richard to speak out for members like Ryan, I want you to stick up for each other and tell Paul that enough is enough, we want freedom of speech !
BC calm down you stress yourself out trying for control where you have none. Rules are rules and as Marisa said, you don't have to give a reaction to somebody baiting you. shows greater character and maturity. Just keep up with your friendly flirting and teasing. Stay away from the baiters some people just look for a fight.
I agree Dame, I really do but lately Hubages has been treating us like a bunch of schoolkids and its time to stand up and be counted. I for one want the ban on Ryan to be lifted and also the forums to be treated as adults and not kids, unless of course you want to continue to lose yer best writers, do you Paul ?
Which is why a cool off ban is needed but a permanent ban makes no sense. Ryan may have been a member here for 2 years but he's only been active for the past 9 or 10 months and in that time he's produced well over 200 hubs and gets over 6000 daily visits to his hubs. He's a producer of quality material unlike many here who only produce their crap on the forums. Just take a look at how many people who have come here in the past few months and already have 10 to 15 thousand forum posts. Are those people producing revenue for this BUSINESS?
It's kinda hard not to read you when you want to make an appearance in every single forum thread 50 times a day. But as long as you're having fun... While Ryan was having fun too, he was also helping this community instead of belittling everyone and everything.
Ryan came out with swear words but if I am correct you have to be over 18 to join Hubpages so is anyone seeing anything unusual in Ryan swearing, the damn joke is Hubpages interviewed the guy just before they banned him, this is so wrong in so many ways !
I cant DS she got my Facebook id from TattoGuys profile, logged in left that comment then left like a coward but hey the same person was quick to report me to hubpages for less and therin lies the problem, hubpages are banning people for the silliest things !
You know I can Tantrum, jeez I laughed it off but my point is on here, you know and I know we both enjoy slagging each other off but hubpages has to realise we are adults and not kids, I enjoy slagging you off and vice versa !
Lol DS I am not the kinda person to sit back and watch a website mess people about, I like you got that monthly mail from hubpages that month highlighting Ryankett and then they ban the poor bugger, I like the guy, hes a damn good writer unlike most of the wasters on here, and they ban him because he swears in a website that is for over 18s only, I swear is it only me sees the joke in that !
BadCo, I gotta tell you, I miss both you and Ryan on the forums even though the slagging gets out of hand. You really know how to liven things up, whether you are Bad Company, Tattoo Guy, or Pirate Girl, or whomever.
YOU AND RYAN WERE (ARE) MISSED! Just you CANNOT use certain language that's considered profane...and so forth. The rules basically come up every time you bring up the HubPages website, and you can do the same thing, say what you want to say, but in a slightly different way.
BC HP is a business and since when do people in a business sit n swear @ their customers. Business is a separate entity from personal worlds. Does your grocer, dr or dentist swear at you? got keep this in mind, dear capitan great seein you around again, though.
Fact remains Hubpages is an adult website, fact remains Ryankett is one of Hubpages top earners, fact also remains I hear someone swearing everyday in the real world, will we make Hubs a totally Disney World and have fun rides as well !
Yes, people swear daily outside of work but not in the office around customers. now you're being stubborn. I agree, Ryan shouldn't be permanently banned if that's the case but would have to be dang serious for that to occur, like a threat to life
I may have JUST joined HP, but unlike you, I have had experience moderating large public forums before. The ONE thing I hated more than anything were little twerps like you who thought they were above the rules. The rules are put in place to protect the reputation of the site.
If you care SO much about HP's well-being going down the drain if you and your friend are banned, you would also care that inappropriate postings, even on an adult site, can bring the opinion of a site WAY down.
Not that you DO care. Just by your attitude from this one thread, I can already tell you're one of those people who think they are better than everybody else and should, therefore, be untouchable when it comes to the consequences of breaking rules that EVERYONE is expected to follow.
There is also the whole issue that if I do a search on BING for my screen name, about 30 of the top 50 hits are on my forum posts not to mention that the forum posts are still being linked to our hubs so likely the dispute could have shown up in a link from someones Hub.
I doubt it... What certainly is and has been obvious for a long time now is:
That the American staff on this site (as with others).. have a very poor understanding of the natures and personalities of the high percentage of non American members here!
Perhaps it is all to do with Our Accents... but it is more prevalent than is likely to be admitted to.
The site has changed in the time I have been here. When I joined, I felt most welcome and that I was appreciated by staff and other real hubbers....
Today... well I no longer do. I find that the accepting of Trolls with the ability to openly defame you, attempt to ruin your work with abusive hub comments and have you banned for their efforts when you react.... should not fall upon the hubbers who are genuinely attempting to support the site. HP know the identities of all parties here.... Including the Trolls... (many of which are dual account holders)..
Having rules is fine.... But being Inconsistant with them really is an insult to anyone with enough intelligence to question the act.
To all Bad_Company was just completely banned it is posted on one of my hubs. I am trying hard to understand and I guess sometimes it is best to just stay away from these threads our friends disappear as quickly as they are here.
I am hanging in there just reading hubs and writing, I stop by once in a while to see what is happening in here and make certain everyone is still alive and well. I see you are doing fine and that makes me happy!
I am new here so . . . but I have noticed that some of the most amusing and interesting posters on these forums seem to get banned for the most insignificant and ridiculous things when compared with the straightforward bitch slaps that come from others who are way less interesting and usually have openly racist views or other obnoxious anti-social character traits.
I also notice the large numbers of trolls or people with no hubs or joke hubs who bait and try to ruin any discussion etc.
I know moderating is hard for these discussion pages but it would appear that it is not what you say or do but WHO you upset on here.
What is rated as swearing then - if someone has been banned for it is there a no go list or whatever, I understood that theirishobserver was banned for a while for using ausie slang. Or is it only if someone reports it as being 'sworn' at ?
Modest Mouse, I love their name. I took a peek at that link. That was COOL!
Justine, I'm getting a little worried about you. Sleep, hon. You need sleep. There's advice on HubPages about getting to sleep, maybe check it out, or maybe Google the subject. There's gotta be SOMETHING that works!
I got baited here on the forums a few times, but then I remembered how much bait took from exwives, and bit my tongue and lip and applied bandaids (plasters for you in the UK) so, it's just a tough lesson.
If you like a battle and trying to have the last word, then it's part of the "hunt and kill," as it were, and it's part of the fun of the forums. I've pretty much had a gut full of hate, fights, battles and meanness, so I kind of let bullies and mean people pour verbal gasoline on themselves and hopefully, at the right point, someone throws a verbal match and I'm far enough away to just watch everything go up in flames.
Observing is a very enlightening thing for me. My days of battle are hopefully over for good. Not interested.
That said, I think you have some valid points, BadCo, but I also think there may be a little "heated" mix in the works as well. It would truly be a shame to lose you and I hope things level out for you soon.
I think its a bit extreme to straight away just ban for cursing. I moderate forums for a web hosting company. If there was a problem with cursing I would either first warn them or give them a temporary ban for a few days or a week. Continue then the penalty gets longer until its eventually forever. Biggest problem there is other competing smaller web hosts spamming since our forums has good Google PR. That gets you banned each and every time.
I like to curse and all, but I try hard not to around here since its says somewhere that excessive cursing isn't allowed. A bit vague and I do not wish to discover where that line is at. We are all adults and an occasional bad word isn't that bad imo.
I think some of the users here really need a forum that is not hosted on HP. A forum that is more liberal and forgiving. Mixing your writing business with a forum isn't always a good idea it seems. Separate places for each may be for the best. I'm sure we have many webmasters around here who are more than capable of setting up a forum. Its rather easy....
A forum just for hubbers? Now, you want to break or separate the community from the site?
Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of a writer's community forum? If the writer's have to visit another website and leave HubPages, it simply destroys the platform, for which, writer's who write, for whatever reason.
Ideas and views are expressed, and Yes, at times the discussions do get heated, and as you said, we are all adults here. Yet, there are plenty of people who act childish and resort to name-calling and sometimes harsh insults. However, insults are subjective to other people's emotions and self-esteem. This means, that if someone was to need to be banned, then it should be another Hub member to do the reporting and not the person who was insulted, because of their individual bias.
No one should be able to report a personal attack against themselves. This is the only way to ensure that personal attacks are taken seriously. When an abusive attack occurs, we as adults can tell the difference, even without the smiley face.
I will even go out on a limb and give credit of intelligence to every hub member, simply because I've read to 1000 hubs on top of posting 17,000+ times, and I can tell you there are plenty of very smart people, within HubPages Community of Writers.
Do notice: I continue to view HubPages as a Writer's Community, which does mean professional attitude should err on the side of caution, because hubs success, in the beginning, require the community. Advice is given, support is given, comments are made(which keeps refreshing content) and HubPages Staff are always willing to work with the community.
That has been proven. So, before we go off on a continued rant of this thread, which I am surprised is still going, let's try to understand - HubPages is a Writer's Platform for publishing Hubs. The forums, help people discuss topics and get new ideas for creating hubs. It works well and breaking things up, isn't an option.
HubPages works as it is now. Drawing in new membership all the time.
And tattoguy may say he is leaving, but he is not. Many of us here, who love this site, will not let him go.
I don't think that people do not realize, that without good writers, hubpages will be no more. So......, I mean it is just good business to keep them, or for them to stay. Bottomline, Paul's a business man. If he bankrupts his company, by banning all the good hubbers, well that is just a really bad, bad, bad, business plan. Ignorance is not a virtue.
Well with some of the quality of writers, that I've seen so called "replacing" other hubbers, I think you statement is totally flawed. I think, as to the quality of their work- compared to what is gone- has a lot of room to debate. Now with that said, I'm not looking to argue the social dynamics of how Hubpages keeps reinventing itself, with these so called "quality writers" replacing the likes of Lita, Pam, GToad, RaiderFan, Badco, and so on, and so forth... But I do think some authors are NOT irreplaceable.
Lets get real! If all those hubbers that aren't here anymore were as good as you say, they would be published by Bantam or Pinguin or some other. This applies to all of us as well. Nobody here is irreplaceable. HP is a business as any other. one hubbers leaves and 20 more arrive. What makes money here is traffic, and that has to do with adsense. Never heard of a Pullitzer price writing on a site like this !
ooo that would be too confusing for me. I'll just write for ONE website for now thanks...can't think about more things to write for other places without having already written them here...too confusing for my brain
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