A person with more then one alter-ego a person that holds multiple accounts.
we are currently in the process of redefining to
A person with more then one alter-ego a person that holds multiple accounts IN ORDER TO HARRASS, DISTURB, STALK, OR OTHERWISE MANIPULATE HUBBERS IN THE FORUMS AND ON THEIR HUBS!
or anyhow, that's what I'm thinking.
That looks mighty official, mega!!! In fact that's exactly what I believe I'm seeing.
so yeah, and what I'm also saying is that, even though you will find them hardput to admit it, there are those who use their one and only (or so they say) to harm as well. Its the "harm" part that is the real bugaboo here. I really have a lot of fun and hope I never really harm anyone - but if it seems like I ever do I expect someone will tell me right away.
There is this other thing - and I am guilty of it, too - and I call it "thread hogging" which is hijacking and just dumping alot of useless nonsense in an otherwise respectable (ible?) discussion - you know? so that is why I hang out mainly in the tribe or hijack this thread threads where I cannot be confused with stinky socks or ugly trolls! yes, yes, sister, I am good underneath it all I say - GOOD!
it 's sounds like amedical condition like multiple personality disorder or even psychotic
mega1, I'm glad your going to redefine the term "sockpuppets" which I, as a fairly new hubber, had no idea what that meant. But I do like your new define as I have learned right away, too many games, too many stalker's, too much harrassment, one hubber using too many profile's for the sole purpose of attacking other hubber's, and, making fun of the non fiction stories other hubber's post in order to draw attention away from that story, in hopes of bringing down the score of another hubber's good story!
I have one profile which I use, this one, and only this one! However, my husband and 4 other friends use my computer on the net. I have no need for other profiles on the hubs. However, I respect those who do and only use them to write good hubs and want to make money off the Hubpages website. I remember when I first wrote some of my first stories. A short woman, who had a very tall husband, had the nerve of sending comments to one of my personal non fiction hub stories. In her comment's she insisted that I could not tell (my) story the way I presented it. Then, she sent me email's again telling me, I had to present my true story (her way) I don't care if your the (King of England) I don't care how high you managed to get your hub profile score up, nobody has the right to tell another hubber they must write their personal story and change the facts just so it sounds better to them. I had to send her an email after receiving her rude emails. I said, these are my true stories, I will write them the way I choose. Please leave me alone and stop sending me email's, or I will have to call the police in my town. After that, the email's stopped. Thank God, I thought. Peace!
Thanks, AEvans, though it seems to have a negative connotation here. I realize it's 'legal' to have one or more accounts, but does this nomenclature indicate some sort of deception?
From the threads I have been reading the answer to that question is yes. There apparently has been some deceit with some hubbers having multi-accounts on the forums but I believe if ignored life becomes so much better. A person should not feed the fire, the flames could burn you.
I've been trying to figure this out tonight too. I like Mega's definition... that's the feeling I've gotten. Just had a similar discussion.
Thanks for the confirmation btw, Mega!
And for the official definition AE.
Here is HubPages take on multiple IDs, etc.
# Multiple Accounts: While we don’t prohibit having more than one HubPages account, we ask that you stick to a single persona in the forums. The deceptive use of multiple accounts, especially in a single thread is prohibited. The use of secondary accounts to circumvent a forum ban is also prohibited. This type of behaviour is also known as ’sockpuppeting’.
Thanks for the official definition Will. Seems the "deceptive" plays a key role.
You're welcome. It shouldn't be a problem for you anyway.
I wasn't worried, but thanks! I was just discussing in another thread the difference between having multiple accounts and actually being a "sock puppet."
I don't have multiple accounts, nor can I handle any additional drama, especially self inflicted. So, I don't see it as being a problem either. (I come here to relax for goodness sake!)
oh nice, right there in the forum rules. thanks for posting.
Nice idea, good rule, so why don't the sockpuppets get 'prohibited' I wonder?
How would it be enforced? I wish it could be though, alternate poet.
hey aevans, i forgot to ask you, what was the title of the hubs about sock puppets you were talking about?
We can't promote our own hubs just go to my profile and you will see them, they are about our forum they are funny.
okay, and you said they were the new ones right?
I think the term sock puppet is like a alter ego that some Hubber's use to fool others or be mean while not admitting who they really are.
I do not think the term applies to second accounts used for alternate writing styles or marketing Hubs.
Yes, I think mega1 has the best new definition. I think this new type of sockpuppet deserves an entirely different name, however. Thinking, thinking, thinking.... Sockpuppet is far too nice.
I still like meanie head better... yea I know I hung out with kids too long sorry
You even censored it for kids. Mine would have at least said
Yes I censored it for my kids...I have to...once I heard a naughty word come from a 3 year old's mouth and WOW I was shocked
Its tough. I remember when my eldest was 2 and a naughty word came out. It was so innocent and adorable at the same time as being shocking, I honestly wanted to laugh. We learned to be more careful after that (we thought we WERE being careful... but tiny ears have long ranges.)
Ok folks... back to your regularly scheduled programming... sorry for the hijack.
Troll used to be the name for those who post in forums in order to harass. Sockpuppet is a new one to me.
Yep I agree with Mega Oh and don't worry I'm not a sockpuppet...just a stalker
hmm, they get a lot of undeserved attention.
there is a difference between a hubber having an alter ego or multiple accounts to publish hubs and they don't lie about who they are on their profile. they simply have more than one account like nelle, darkside, dale, people who are publishing and using the site for its purpose.
sorry, I just think it's wrong for people to fabricate accounts portraying themselves to be something, someone they are not, saying they are musicians or undercover cop, etc... maybe they should have their own forum. they can talk to each other freely.
Totally agree. It's the fabrication that's really messed up and manipulative.
They could have quite a party, don't you think?
Seriously though, thanks, people for chiming in on this.
I am so glad we had this discussion. At long last I have it sorted out for myself, I think:
Sockpuppet - one who is banned from the forums for harrassment or extreme manipulative behavior or harmful actions and RETURNS as an alternative identity in order to deceive
Troll - one who uses any identity (their own, or an alter-ego) in the forums and/or in the hub comments in order to manipulate, harrass, stalk, slander or otherwise malign other hubbers.
NOW do I have it right, finally?
Who really cares about sockpuppets? Ignore those who you think might be one if it really bothers you, unless you have nothing better to do.
After I got set straight by a few folks and deciphered what I think they are all saying I came up with the following which updates the earlier definition I had:
Sockpuppet - one who is banned from the forums for harrassment or extreme manipulative behavior and/or harmful actions and RETURNS as an alternative identity in order to deceive and continue their bad behaviors.
Troll - one who uses any identity (their own, or an alter-ego) in the forums and/or in the hub comments in order to manipulate, harrass, stalk, slander, shill for a scam, or otherwise malign other hubbers.
mega1, you said that so well and with such great details, thanks.
I thought it was the other way around.... Go figure.
Who are the self-appointed Council members of the Sock Puppet Terminology Comm., so we can discuss it in length with them? I'd like to read, what someone in charge of the movement, has to say.
Personally, if I had the creativity, I'd have tons of accounts. The more money I say, and screw the ones drowning in hate-mongering jealousy.
I'm sure you could go back and read the gazillion threads about them to learn what a sock puppet is
Here is my take on this entire situation of course after my first cup of coffee. lololo
Now that everyone understands what a sock-puppet is we need to let this entire discussion die. Many are and have been heart being accused of things they were not, there have been examples of the pain suffered on other threads. We are not children we are adults, what makes our community different is that we have actually spoke to some of these people on the phone,met them in person, or shared our lives through e-mails. I don't know of any other writing sites where people ban together when someone gets hurt, loses a loved one,or just needs advice or someone to talk to.
All of us need to think before we comment and ask ourselves how it feels when we feel attacked. If something bothers us ignore it, I know it can be hard to do I have lashed out on occassion to, but when it gets tough walk-away from the computer it is only a virtual world.
We need to end the discussion about this subject and focus on hopping, commenting and do what all of us love to do best and that is write.
As long as I have been a member at HubPages I've gotten kick out of hubbers in the forums with alter egos.
This is a community of writers. If we were all mathematicians the forums would be so frickin' boring you could near the crickets chirping.
People use sock puppets because they don't have the nerve to say something without being under cover, or because they get a kick out of causing drama. I've known several alter egos who were only here to play, not to cause mischief - and I don't have any kind of problem with that. It was fun.
Notice I put that in past tense. All this damn saga drama garbage has driven away many of my buddies and that BUMS me out. I've had it with the "I'm leaving, no please don't go" forums and "Name all your favorite friends" and "Hey everybody, look at what we are e-mailing to each other when we're not in the forums" stuff.
I'm not defending hubbers who use their socks for evil, but page after page of personal drama is just as irritating.
I don't give a damn about it and I'm perfectly capable of not reading what I don't want to read. The problem is that when I pop in to kill some time and have some fun, the folks I'm looking for are MIA.
I know people here have been hurt and they deserve to speak up.
It's just a shame that the childishness has caused so many to lose interest in the forums altogether. All the gossip bs and drama is too much. It feels like high school all over except I don't have to find a grown up to buy my cigarettes for me.
I should have used my alter ego to post this maybe, because my "sock puppet" is way too polite to say
just grow the f@#& up.
Here's a post wishing my friends a good afternoon or evening depending on where you live.
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