Do you guys who have 100 hubscores pay for ads for a site that leads to hubpages or hubpages themselves? And how do you do this?
Also, June seems slow, can't remember if that is how things worked last year.
I do not pay for ads for any of my sites, HubPages or otherwise.
I would never pay for ads that lead to HubPages. The earnings potential of just one Hub isn't enough to justify it.
Remember that each Hub is a single web page and when the reader arrives here, he is faced with lots of invitations to visit other pages that are not mine. And the ads displayed are not always mine, either. The chances of him clicking on one of HubPages's ads instead of mine, or going to another Hub without clicking any of my ads, are quite high.
Whereas if I pay for ads that lead to my website, the only links inviting my reader lead to other pages on my site, or to a place where I can make money. Not that I've ever done that either - but if I was going to get into it, that would be my target.
Right Marisa, but do you pay for a sight that has links to Hubpages and who do you pay and how do you do it?
No, I don't do any paid advertising. I've been told many times that there are enough free avenues that paid advertising shouldn't be necessary.
Mind you, I'm not necessarily a good example to follow. My highest paid Hub has made less than $200 in two years, and some of my Hubs have made nothing.
I've always thought of paid advertising as something you'd do for an actual product, not for a mere article. Retail products with 100% markup can give you enough profit per sale to give you a decent return on investment - articles don't.
Bgamall, if you're trying to increase your earnings, then my main suggestion would be to stop writing about topical subjects and start writing about evergreen ones, as HubPages always suggests.
Traffic to a HubPage keeps building over time - some of my best earning Hubs are the oldest. If you write on something too topical, it will be stale long before it's reached anywhere near its potential.
That's how I've always thought of ads, too. I think that's why the question struck me as odd (at least as far as articles-type writing goes). Also, I'm just too wary of a lot of things that tell people if they pay x they'll get whatever (related to their writing). A lot of stuff that's offered is against Google terms anyway, but even if that were a factor, there are a lot of free things people can do to increase traffic. Any big earners I have have become that pretty much on their own. It does bother me that if I did a shred of something to boost their traffic they'd probably amount to really, really, good money; but then another part of me just wonders if they've reached their peaks or traffic potential anyway. None of them is all that great a Hub, as far as I can see.
Nope! Not much backlinking. No blogs either! Don't know how I get ranked as 100!
Never paid for ads. Used to be scoring around 98-100 but I've "
backslid" to 94-97 lol
I've had hundreds a few times. Never paid for anything and don't actively seek backlinks. In short, I don't know what I'm doing.
LOL... and just by being natural with high quality content is deserving of a 100 authorscore
I usually think my hubs could be better.
And if you are interested in earning, what Nelle says is true. Only the bottom line is important.
Just as a matter of interest, are you referring to one's own Hubber score like you mention in the title of your thread, or do you mean one's individual hub score like you mention in your opening paragraph? They are two different things. However, without needing to know which you mean, I can tell you the answer is the same for both. I've been fortunate enough to have a 100 hubber score and a 100 hub score on multiple hubs. And no, we don't pay for anything. All of it is built around algorithms that aren't meant to be figured out.
Do your very best on every single article, learn all you can from the experts and every now and then you get lucky. That's it in a nutshell.
My first thoughts echo those of Nelle. As it is against AdSense TOS to send AdWords or other PPC traffic to a page featuring AdSense Ads, I believe they consider it Arbitrage.
A Hubscore is not an indication of the Hub's earning power either. Several "100" Hubbers with Hubscores of "100" have had trouble making money, and have been quite public about it. Many are no longer here, so I won't go into it again.
Not to say lots of "100" Hubbers aren't making a great living either!
PPC is fraught with danger and as Marissa points out, HP is defintely not a place to do it.
So your talking about paying for links to pages. Nope never done it anywhere. I live and die by organic search results.
Ok Nelle, do you get Hubpage traffic from your other sites and how good is that traffic? And do you SEO the other sites and submit to bookmarks manually?
Just trying to get a feel for your approach.
Bgamall here is your answers. Until recently I had about 55 sites and I just added 20 more in the past few weeks. They are full-fledged sites that also have a wordpress blog. They are heavily seo'd and targeted to specific topics, niches and keywords.
The last 20 sites I added are all ebay and amazon sites that complement my hubpages niches. And to develop niches I want to keep private. They are designed to stand alone if HP disappears. These sites provide massive backlinks to my hubs.
I have 5 sites that are almost 10 years old, that have no affiliate links, products, or adsense. I've added content to them at least twice a week for all that time. They are on different topics so I can usually find a link that works to a new site. A few links from them and a site gets traffic pretty quickly. But I severely limit the number of outward links - these are saved for emergencies.
I don't submit any of my sites to anything. I don't play the facebook game or any of that stuff. I've never been to Digg. And have decided that shetoldme and sites similar to that are pretty useless. I think someday soon, google will see them for the link farms that they are and penalize sites with links from them. (Note to self - remember to take off shetoldme and redgage links off if I can - I got swept up in an HP enthusiasm which I now regret.)
Even if no traffic comes directly to my hubs from these sites, the backlinks increase their standing in the search engines so they rise and get their own traffic.
My traffic on hubpages is very targeted to people who are ready to buy something, so I get far less traffic than many others here.
Oh I hide my accolades because they are no body's business but mine. I'm not even thrilled about my hubber score being public. Generally I try to ignore them. The only numbers I take really seriously are google traffic and money in the bank.
So that's me in a nutshell. I'm glad you have fond memories of CC.
Thanks Nelle, I'm fascinated!
Again... all about quality content that is useful and natural - targeted to people who want the products that she has recommended. Thanks Nell
Nelle, given that you are one of the two, or three hubbers who make serious and real money on HP surely you know your business, and these advices are pretty worthy. But there is one thing I don't really understand: given that we have no control over outside links to our hubs, anyone can read a hub and use the blog this button, how can it be that Google penalizes hubs for bad links if we are not the ones who did it? I know big G. would have no problem in doing it, given the average respect it has for publishers, but do you really think we could be penalized for something someone else did?
He was CEO of Woods Hole. I think his brother started the company. He also used to be in the film business and won an emmy in 1984 for the Los Angeles olympics. I never thought he would leave SoCal.
Sandwich? Only ham and mustard please *wink* (sorry, couldnt resist it!).
Do you mean the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution? My husband worked there for six years in the Deep Submergence Lab, but the name doesn't sound familiar. When was he there?
Just googled him. He runs the Woods Hole Group not WHOI. And yes, he's still there!
Now that you've struck up the Woods Hole Oceanographic thing, not sure if you're still interested in if anyone pays for anything or not , but anyway...
Your question really struck me as a weird one. I've hit 100 from time to time, and I have Hubs that have hit 100 from time to time. I don't pay for anything and never have. I have a bunch of free, half-baked, blogs that I've started setting up but haven't done more with them (for now) than use them as a way of organizing my writing by "theme".
I'm another one who pretty much didn't know what I was doing for my first 100/150 Hubs, and even though I sort of know what I'm doing now, I don't do it. This is a casual type of thing for me, so there's only so much energy to spend doing on things other than writing.
I have such a big variety of Hubs, what any of them gets for traffic depends on the Hub. I have my earners, my non-earners, my pretty-good-traffic ones, and my pretty-much-no-traffic ones (because they were in that first 100/150 when I didn't think there was potential to earn on here, so I didn't bother using keywords). (I'll do something about them one day.) Whether it's as a for-hire writer or as a hobby-writer, I'm not going pay anyone for anything. I'm the one who gets paid. Nobody has to pay to make money, as far as I can see.
You may be right Lisa, but then, Misha and others have been talking about inexpensive services for getting legitimate backlinks. There is a small fee. Just wondering how many 100 hubbers use those.
There's a big difference between paying for ads and paying for backlinks.
Ah, we are getting somewhere Marisa! What backlinks do you like over others???? As he waits with anticipation.
I didn't say I paid for backlinks. I'm small beer in internet terms - I write in my niche because it's what I know, not because I've discovered any high-paying niches, so the cost of most backlink services would wipe out my profits fairly quickly!
If I were to use a backlinking service, I'd take the recommendations of Mark Knowles and Misha, because both are very successful so they've clearly found models that work.
I think that sometimes using adwords vouchers are sometimes used by hubbers as a way of promoting your hubs but someone mentioned that this goes against the tos of hubpages???
My hubs don't get as much traffic as many but I have hit 100 several times. It's a combination of traffic, participation on the site.
I put links to my sites on my blogger blogs (both free) and on various social networks (again free). I would never think of paying for traffic.
Well Uninvited, certainly no one wants to pay for phony traffic. But some here do quite well paying for backlinks, Misha being one. He has hubs on the subject.
No, I have never paid for ads and yes, I have reached 100 a few times (want to more often then I do but that is up to me). Hope all this helps!
How many people use pligg sites and scuttle sights? You don't have to be 100 hubscore to post since most of them are a bit "timid".
One more thing. How many of these sites are legitimate and how many are not and how do you determine which is which?
I doubt people who depend on those sites have high Hubber scores.
The thing I wonder about, Uninvited, is what happens if we were to link, not a hubpage, but a page we have, to a site that gains popularity on search by black hat methods. In other words, what happens if you coattail on a black hat site? If you place a legitimate link on a website that you have no idea is cheating a search engine what is the fallout?
And does this have anything to do with Nelle's concern regarding sites like Redgage? I have no preconceived notions about this. I am trying to learn.
Having adsense on the landing page for an adwords campaign is 100% NOT against the terms of service for adwords or adsense.
Landing page guidelines:
https://adwords.google.com/support/aw/b … dtype=text
The popularity of the method has decreased over the years and specifically creating a landing page for arbitrage purposes would be unwelcome not because of adsense/adwords but because it would be a poor quality affiliate site.
PPC on adwords used to be less competitive and it was easier to bid low and still generate high value hits on the landing page, now, you better have your keyword research skills honed if you expect to turn a profit with that model
In short if you have a real page or real website filled with quality information that also has adsense on it and you use adwords to generate traffic then you are fine ...if you are intentionally making a thin "arbitrage" page your actions would not be appreciated.
So is adwords/adsense against TOS - absolutely not, actively attempting arbitrage - no good
Im surprised at many of the answers here - no references and citations at all!
I have heard of people banned for doing it. So, it is, you have to admit, Sunforged, a very fine line.
Its not so fine.
If you get it into your head that you want to use the arbitrage method because your read some 5 year old method on an Internet marketing site and you follow the concept to the the letter..
find keyword worth X amount of dollars
- create crappy keyword rich content and place the biggest adsense ads front and center on the page
- bid on cheap clicks to get traffic to the page - the viewer will have nothing worth reading, so they will probably click away at an ad instead. As long as your keyword research was right - your .05 cent bids can equal +1 .00 clicks - a good profit percentage.
well then you would be intentionally creating an affiliate landing page of poor quality and trying to work the google system - its pretty hard to get one over on google
It would be clear what you are trying to do - on the Adwords side worst case scenario your campaign gets cancelled, if the site is seen as an MFA then you may be bringing some bad attention to your adsense account too
But if you have a "real site" that isnt created just to drive traffic to money making offers and ads that happens to use adsense there is not an issue. Take a peek around at the top adwords returns in search see how common it is for the site to be adsense monetized (very)
The distinction is huge - arbitrage does not equal adwords/adsense sharing a destination, you will very much know what you are doing when you intentionally attempt arbitarge
And arbitrag eis actually still an awesome well paying model - its just best to use diff networks to buy and earn from. There are hundreds
"people" were very likely not banned for adsense/adwords sharing teh page - they were banned for the nefarious practices they attempted that also involved the association
I don't doubt what you say is true. But, I see very few major sites that use adsense putting them on the main domain page. In fact I checked that out quite extensively. They actually avoid doing that. That was enough for me.
Oh, and here is a site that uses adsense but doesn't use it on the first page: http://hubpages.com/
Not sure about the mechanics of the whole adwords debate, but a clean first page may have a marketing reason. I personally think that a site smeared with Adsense across its first page looks very unprofessional and cluttered - it makes it much difficult to navigate and find exactly what you want, a sure way to annoy people into leaving.
I only ever pay in dignity. The currency you don't know you're out of until its gone.
Been a 100 many times and I'm a 100 today - imagine that!
My secret? Great article content and great backlinking. I don't pay for my 100s, nor do I recommend it to anyone, as it's totally unnecessary.
I have not reached 100 yet, but I have only been here a week, so it may be a bit early :-)
I don't fret about back links here or at my main site (which does make significant money from ads).
I don't buy them, I don't solicit them. In fact, at that main site, I specifically request people NOT dig etc. my posts because I don't want the swarms of useless visits. And they ARE useless. Big traffic spikes, no increase in adsense, rss readers or anything else. Useless.
True organic linking has the most value - perhaps the only real value in some cases. That gives you valuable traffic, conversations, new subscribers.. But it can't be bought or faked.
I will cross-link, but only where it really makes sense, and that's rare. I have 33 posts here and have linked back to something at my main site only once. There are places I could have, but I didn't feel the link would have added enough value.
But that's just me. I'm not an Internet millionaire, don't have 5 zillion Twiiter followers or rss readers and don't even want 'em. So my thoughts aren't worth a thing.
I think everyone has to decide what they are looking for, and find out what works best for themselves. One size doesn't fit all.
It is all in what you seek! I choose to write the highest quality, most helpful articles I can and hope they are good enough to be worth my while. I don't backlink very much at all, but am surprised at how often some of my hubs are #1 on a generic Google search or are on at least the first or second page,
I write for fun mostly but am surprised how much money this "fun" is bringing in. I suppose I should be doing a bit of backlinking, but then if I work at it too much it won't be fun anymore. I found this out during my years as a professional musician. I seldom listen to music anymore. Burnout, I guess!
That's an interesting point, Randy. I used to regret that illness in my childhood prevented me having a full-time career in dance - but these days, I think maybe it wasn't such a bad thing. If I'd joined a ballet company at seventeen, I'd have been retired by 35. This way I've enjoyed dancing my whole life, and haven't been so saturated that I've got sick of it.
I knew someone who gave up his main line of work to pursue his love, photography. After a while, he gave up the photography business and went back to his old job - even though he'd been making good money with his camera. The reason? Having to work at photography was ruining his enjoyment of it.
When my friend and I decided to collaborate on a children's book (using her photos, investing in the printing, and doing our own marketing) we decided our number one business goal was "to have fun".
We had to remind each other of that once in a while, but I think that is why we were able to succeed in our modest goals-- and still remain good friends.
Very interesting. I heard someone recently say that selling their art was like prostituting their work...
I had another friend who trained as a chef but gave it up, because she hated labouring for hours in the kitchen, only to have people inhale it without a word of thanks.
She went back to cooking for friends, who may still gobble the food but at least they express appreciation!
I think part of the problem with the "do what you love" philosophy is that when you run a business, you inevitably have to deal with stress. Associating stress with your passion is going to take the gloss off it.
It seems as if you do something you like for a living it just becomes work, Marisa. Oh I still love to play for friends, but they don't understand my reluctance sometimes. They say "if I could play a guitar like that I would be more than happy to play anytime at all!"
But they haven't been in my shoes and played the same old stuff thousands of times before. So I try not to forget how badly I wanted to be able to play before I actually could. I feel the same way about my writing and don't want to take the enjoyment out of it.
For me, writing isn't "all the same thing". Some of the writing I do is work. Some of it is something I do because I feel like doing it. For me, it's, in many ways, the same as talking. We may talk have a friendly conversation, or talk for more "business-like" reasons. Or, the PC: We may use it for work or use it for listening to music. Some stuff I've written may be something I think of as "special" to me. Other stuff - I don't care. It's just "putting my brain on print and getting whatever goes on in writing". Maybe some people look at the material they've worked to write when they're thinking of "writing". I look at the act of writing and see whatever is the result of it based on whatever each thing happens to be.
Then, too, I wouldn't be above paying for links. I just like to think I'm above paying for a high Hubber score.
Thanks Lisa, do you have any favorites for paying for backlink manual submission? I pretty much realize that automated submission is cheating, but manual submission is not. Right?
I think I said something that may have been unintentionally misleading. I don't pay for backlinks. In fact, I don't do much of anything with backlinks. Backlinks are one of those things about which I keep thinking, "One of these days I'll have the time to be bothered with," or "One of these days I'll be able to make myself care about backlinks." In the meantime, as I just mentioned on another recent thread, I let my Hubs fend for themselves - sink or swim. Some swim. Some sink.
I guess what I said was that I wouldn't be above paying for backlinks ("principles-wise"). I should have added "if I could be bothered and had the time for thinking about backlinks".
I had to read this thread to find out what it was about because I didn't understand the title!
There's no way I'd pay for anything that wasn't delivered to my front door in a box
I haven't paid for ads for hubpages. I figure that I want to earn money with AdSense, not spend it. I do, however, work on some aspects such as SEO to bring traffic to my hubs. Just get some backlinks in and you'll see some more traffic to your hubs.
Also, I would like to add that it can be difficult to get a 100 on a hub. My tactic is, instead of getting a 100 on one hub, I just try to work to bring traffic to all my hubs. The 100 isn't as important as the profit earned from natural traffic.
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