How can Hubpages improve?
Just wondering. So much ill will abounds in the forum, largely related to a couple of the sub forums.
That aside, what would improve your hubpages experience? And no one can say 'shut down the forum' because we'd lose a principle platform for helping each other in many ways - not least the community development. If you don't like a TV channel, you don't watch it.
Remember - first and foremost HubPages is a business - it's not been put here for our benefit alone
I'd like to see an improvement on tackling spam - though there are clear signs that HP deal with it as swiftly as possible. And some way on incorporating the Learning Centre into a must-access aspect of the site for new users.
Of course I'm not a software engineer so I couldn't begin to imagine how they'd fix that one. But I'm only wishing
I would like the ability to remove spam myself. Yesterday I spent quite a bit of time flagging it all and the profiles - I would have been happier if I could just simply hit delete! Of course, for those posts/profiles that I'm not sure about I would still want to flag it for review, but the obvious stuff I want it gone!
I think if spammers see that their posts and profiles are removed straight away they would be less likely to come back with another ID.
I'm sure HP could afford to hire a few more mods on UK time
I'm with you Susana. I don't let personal opinion get in the way. Spam is spam. HP could reimburse us by way of 100% revenue
That would make us hub harder too ... no?!- ryankettposted 13 years ago
0 - ryankettposted 13 years ago0
I also think that anybody who reaches 10 million page views should get a free weekend at Hubpages HQ and a toast at the office, although that idea is entirely based on a selfish vested interest
See I kinda think you've got to get the basics right. You would like free travel there and back, a lovely hotel, and then to be lauded in the HQ office
Of course! That is what I meant by free weekend!
I actually know somebody who has gone to San Francisco this weekend for a wedding, lucky sod.
If I happened to go to San Francisco within the next couple of years I would drop in.
I would do it unannounced though, its cooler that way*nods* ohhhh yeah Ryan ... be cool. You were just passing, happened to be in the neighbourhood and all that. I'd love to see the pictures
Cheers Ryan. I'm all for either Ebay playing ball and opening up to the potential of spending power that this site could deliver, or if it's a none-starter, then an alternative for those of us who can't affiliate.
UK and etc Amazon ... got that too. I have a fair few from Oz and the UK so it'd be good to net the potential, as it already exists.
I like the weekend spam idea though making it a competition may well steer the principle of it into it being more about the numbers than fairness.
And I'd like to work with the CEO's. Be good to get to know the owners betterSweetsusie I can imagine how frustrating that must be. I had a beggar of a job with picture loading a while back, the old version. Go suggest it in the 'suggest a feature' sub-forum. IDK if they could do it but you could at least try and figure out what the problem is. I'm assuming you don't know BTW
What would that entail exactly? Promoted to ... ? I'm not questioning your input Mikey, I was just wondering how or to what benefit? I'm presuming you have some in mind
Mikey I kinda like to think that it's attitude that begets respect, rather than time on site. I see no reason to show disrespect to you for example. You've clearly joined the site as a means of participating with its ethos. Why must you wait to be respected?
Re your mention of the forum - it does get cluttered, predominantly with religious topics, which detracts from the writing aspect. I'd imagine it's hard for new users to find a comfort zone at times, let alone identify a way of establishing their hubber character, needs and questions.
Again - I'm talking from an ideal world perspectiveWow shades that's a fantastic idea *nods* There are so many wonderfully gifted writers on Hubpages, despite what some detractors would have you believe.
I could see the potential for growth in relation to hubbers writing and publishing stories, poems etc. I've read some incredibly creative hubs on the site and it would be great to see those writers celebrated in some way.
We've got poets, story tellers, comedic talent, sharp current affairs hubbers ... paranormal investigators and so many more. Hmmmm lol truly, a stirling ideaHow hard is it to get something to trend on Twitter? If we can get enough pulling power to make things trend, we could exploit that somehow
Mikey I've been trying to get to that hub a while now, my browser is being silly. I'll try again shortly, I'd like to read it.
I can see you want to improve the community. Make it feel more inclusive rather than the opposite. I agree
@ Susana ... HubBouncers? Like ... I have the 'e' right? Only we'd become HB? And then maybe HB1, HB2?
We'd become PENCILS Susana. You didn't think this one through did you?- EmpressFelicityposted 13 years ago0
Maybe we can do that already Empress. Sometimes I lose track of what's new due to the regular HP upgrades. If we don't have it, maybe another for consideration
@ Whikat - hmmmmm I'd imagine we'd end with more cries of 'not fair!' but I do think you've got a point. I don't know how many flag, how often and for what reason. I've flagged a couple before, relating to either something that read plain below the belt or because a thread had become uncomfortable full stop.
There are hubbers that are very insidious in their method of reply. It's hardly hidden what their intent is in reply to their fellow hubbers. Not something I or many others like to see. Do they get away with it? I don't know. I suspect those that may believe they're on the receiving end would say yes.
I know some of our hubbers have felt extremely aggrieved, both past and present, for the reason/s that have underpinned their bans.
Like I've said before - I'm thinking HP's current model is the best fit for now. There are only so many of them and so many forum posts in a day ... I'd imagine it's a job and a half keeping up.
I still think the team are human though - and always bear in mind that HP is a business, first and foremost. I don't have the answer. I wish I did. If it comes to me, I'll email the staff team
Oh and I don't think your idea sounds silly. To me, it sounds sensibleOh Yes I do agree with you, I forgot about some of the drawbacks that can accompany a policy like that. Thanks for not thinking it a silly idea
I do like dreaming about some of the other suggestions that people have come up with. If I think of any helpful non-forum suggestions, I will be back
@ Thriller - I haven't seen the Amazon spotlight capsule on Squidoo. Could I see it without having to start a lens? Some basic HTML would be good but I suspect too much for some new users. The quiz capsule ... we have the poll one already so maybe that wouldn't be too difficult to add. Not being a software engineer, I wouldn't know. Maybe you could add your suggestions to the 'new suggestions' sub-forum
@ Mikey - I read the hub. Looks to be an online business concept that holds some credibility. I'm not the inevention type but I guess I can think outside the box on occasion. I'll look at the site more later
AS for twitter - it's outside my comprhension through a lack of use. Maybe some Twitter types would better know the answer. It doesn't appear to sound impossible though.I'm laughing Haunty. Very clever - and quite funny. Honest, my 'lol' of the day
Perfect in every way!
No seriously - that was a funny reply. The last bit. I didn't expect it. That's the sign of great comic timing
- kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years ago0
Hi frog
lmfao wh just caught the above typo which said Hi snob ha[not funny I say [hee]
Hello Whikat, just wanted to mention, to you or frog or I can hit a report button, even the same one 1,000 times, but it acts only a a flag. Like 'hey hp I think this is wrong because' ................
But I know after 5 bans (4 justified and one was dumb but surprised me with incredible way of justifying it to my surprise
),HP team only bans those posts/threads that go over the line. It helps them to be alerted to something / somebody. But i reckon, the number of flag / reports pushed in comparison to actually bans is a huge difference.
Don't get me wrong, when i get an email all devilish saying ha I love to ban you I'll watch you so you keep getting banned' [more yawn]
Having said that, I like your idea as deals with many issue in a PROACTIVE way, thank you
HP is there a way to block emails not verified, how can we ensure a Huber sending mail through our profiles, have no email, clearly to be nasty [yawn]
This suggestion benefits both of us. I \\
OK so Paul, take a deep breath and please remember this is a process and I do mean asked for the entire team.
Could staff start leaving sporadic comments on our hubs, not everyday, not all your followers. I am suggesting when you see a hub that warrants your comment if your HubHoping or however you get the largest time slots for reviewing
I understand there are gazzilliomns of us
But I guarantee productivity would increase, Creatively we would all strive for a better looking medium and clearly, simply on the off chance you may hit ie; my hub, Of course the criticism would be constructive
Basically we would have the opportunity to interact with the team on a professional level
That's it [omg not!] except p;ease p;ease can we more affiliates, please! There must be a reason we don't but 2 are getting old and I find excellent for a product but some folk i know are not comfortable buying some good money both ways
Thanks Frog
looking for appropriate photo now-hoping this thread is still active
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we have back up wooohoooo
Good idea, Aficionada - I often wondered if it would be feasible to search by Groups/Favoured Topics. If someone has many Hubs, it is difficult to find the exact one you want, and searching 'More Hubs' means wading through pages and pages of titles.
Unless, of course, I am missing something really obviousHi DM
That works to a certain extent, but sometimes you might want to find all of a Hubber's work on Interior Design or Recipes, for example. Easy if the topic is rotated on their profile; a pain in the arse if it isn't
EDIT: 'Tis true, FD - I still stumble across things that I never knew existed. Either I blatantly missed them, in a display of terminal incompetence, or I fell through an Interdimensional TimewarpI'm of the exact same mind regarding the search capabilities of HP. When I want to find something from a hubber I always use Google site specific search.
Say I want to see everything Darkside has on referrals. I'd type this in Google search
referrals "Ask darkside" site:hubpages.com/hub
The "Ask darkside" bit is there to ensure only his hubs are shown. I'm sure there is a better way to do this, but this is the only one I know.ohhhhh. that's what happens when I talk about something Im not sure about. I never actually USED the search thingy..just knew it existed.
For me, the only thing HP could do to be better is give me a foot rub and make me dinner.
Sometimes I wonder that Sufi. Like ... is 'x' already at my fingertips, I just missed it somehow. Now and then when I can't figure something out I ask and so far as I remember, I've been pointed right at it - feeling silly
Well Miss Kimberely, as ever you're wonderfully vibrant breath of fresh air
I like your idea of maybe a comment or two from the powers that be. I'd imagine it would be motivating and kinda inspiring. Almost like an endorsement from above *nods*
And you're another (along with Ryan) that's brought up to the affiliates issue, thankyouAficionada - good call on the rating idea. Maybe something said in and among this thread will be a seedling now - later something HP can implememnt, albeit with the right attention to detail of course.
You've offered some good ideas in general, even if one of the sub-forums you've suggested quickly became (affectionately/aggressively!) known as the Brawl Stall
And I didn't start this as ameans of addressing the forum issues many experience. I actually meant the site itself.Oh yes, the forum ideas were/are just dreams.
And I know that in pretty much every sense imaginable, those forum ideas are unworkable (practically, philosophically, etc.).
There are two thoughts that I think could make this work - and trust me, I know that I'm still dreaming.
1) I believe that certain people would gravitate to certain ones of these categories because of the way they prefer to interact with others. We could all name names, but I won't.
I have seen one Hubber who claimed to appreciate the ability to disagree civilly with others, but their actual style is highly aggressive and confrontational. On the other hand, months ago I saw a post that requested, almost forlornly, the possibility of discussing opposing ideas without attacking. (Pretty soon that forum thread was filled with attacks.) There are others who shut down conversation by saying "This is my forum and you have to follow my rules," or words to that effect.
2) IF such an idea as I proposed were to be attempted (and again, I know that it's not viable), I believe that Hubbers could suggest certain trigger words and phrases/expressions that demonstrate communication that is off-limits in the Courteous/ Civil section - things like "You're[/Your
] stupid/idiotic/ irrational/biased." Or like "that's [so] typical." Maybe I should come up with a Hub about the most frequently used words or expressions that ramp up a conversation from courteous disagreement to mob mentality to all-out war. Maybe someone has already done that?
In any case, I know that it would be even harder to administer my suggested system than the one we have in place now. But I like to dream.
[Responses to other posts on the way shortly.]Maybe something very mysterious could happen to the forum... *ahem* such as an irreversible GLITCH whereby all the forum data is lost lol PERMANENTLY...
And when a new forum is set up, it has an army of moderators in the religulous sections, policing, then dealing with all the ad hominem attacks, bazillions of "almost the same" topic starters, etc.I guess that's settled then. Let us await the forum database Armageddon. (Sorry for bringing in a Biblical concept.
)
The other idea is great as well. Some respected hubbers should be given moderation rights. (Right to delete/edit posts.) Those that have a stake in the good going of HP. People with over 200 quality hubs, etc. Then there could be a serious crackdown on crime. You shouldn't ban people. They enjoy it. They are the "bad guys!" You should just delete their posts instead. That would annoy them like hell. lol
@ Haunty - thanks for that. Never knew that nifty little trick
@ Aficionada ... I hear you, I do *nods* I reckon you could hub the passive/agressive language models. You know ... the thinly veiled baiting, the not-so-subtle gut punches. Just because I don't bother with those forums over much doesn't mean I don't read them.
I just choose (on the whole) not to engage with those that wouldn't say boo to me in the street. I like front, I like in others the ability to back their stance up. I don't mean I'm confrontational, I'm not. But I like a clean debate, not one that revolves around sneakiness and evasion.
As an example, I rarely win a debate at home. Simões thinks on his feet and uses his intelligence and logic, which ususally catches me on the backfoot. But I like that in a person, I respect it.
We have (I think) a lot of folks that have an ability to argue like a politician. So saying that they never answer you. They duck and dive and answer with a question, they muddy the waters with sleight-of-hand diatribes that don't mean a thing.
All very frustrating, which ever side it comes from.
And there's nothing wrong with dreaming!I am not sure if that would be a good idea. I know that many helpful hubbers, including yourself have been very helpful in answering my questions. If a filter was used to filter me out, I am afraid no one would answer my questions, than I would be sad and my hubs would look bad.
I haven't checked your hubs, so no reference to your personally, but how can somebody who lacks writing skills be a good writer?
Wouldn't they just be somebody with potentially good writing skills?
I doubt that the team have the resources to offer a proofreading service, there are more than 1 million hubpages published, that would require a substantial investment.
Perhaps pre-approval before publication, that would be a more beneficial use of resources. If they are going to sit there proofreading then they may as well reject hubs at point of publication instead. There are only 20 hubpages team members, they would probably need 10 more to offer that service... sorry, not going to be viable.
The only problem with approving hubs is that they would then need to approve revisions, and people like me revise their hubs constantly.... so that would be unviable too....
There are some great free writing courses out there on the web, maybe I will write a hubpage on the subject - they can really help people develop their skills. But personally, I don't really see the hub team as English teachers. If there has to be just 20 of them, then I would prefer that the majority were web developers skilled in SEO (which they are)
I doubt that there is much wrong with your writing anyway.
More good suggestions. Not all could be implemented but like Whikat says ... we can dream
Thank you all who have replied. We can play without falling out- mtsi1098posted 13 years ago0
- lynnechandlerposted 13 years ago0
More ideas and suggestions. Seems some things have popped up a time or two, such as a better search facility related to hubbers and the forums streamlining in some way.
Thank you everyone that took the time to replyHi
Um you know how when you click All Forums and you see all?
I'd like the option to opt out the forums you don't want to personally see....
that might help some stay away from argumentive forums, you know, if they want to
thoughts?It's kinda like in facebook, you can invisbleize people you don't want to read thheir comments
It would help me, that I know. So certain forum(s) are not "in my face" every time I click Forums.
Then If I ever want to go to those forum(s) I can by clicking on that forum (left side list)
Isn't this a splendid idea?? I'm think I solved that problem!!!!
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