What are your opinions on the revenue sharing. Supposebly hubpages rotates the times that we get our amazon and adsense revenue. How can we be sure they are not taking a bigger chunk of our money then they say. We are just trusting them to give us 50% of the revenue. Do they rotate the revenue sharing times by the hours or what. How do we know they are not giving us say 10pm to 10am each day and they are taking the part of the day that generates the most income.
I see no reason why they can not clearly state the times of the day when we get revenue and the times of the day when they get the revenue.
They can not state clearly what time of the day that you will get revenue because a) they don't rotate at different times of the day, if there are 100 page views you will have about 60 of those for your ads, how soon you get those 100 page views is outside of hubpages control, b) they have no control over the revenue at all. Whether someone clicks on an ad during your pageview isn't something they can predict. The ad is shown, it might get clicked.
Why do you keep asking this question over and over? Hubpages are entirely clear about there revenue sharing, and if you want to check it please feel free to refresh you page 10,000 times and check that the share is correct. As mentioned in an earlier post, if you don't like it there are plenty of options available for you, and if you are getting low click values that is entirely your own fault.
I agree with most of these hubbers advice (tad bit harsh though lol). I would not complain, keep publishing hubs with variety...
The World is round. The Internet goes all the way around it. Think timezones. The sun never sets on the Earth
50% percent thats a big cut they need to give us more then pirze money i thank. a certifcate or refrences.
You can carefully right click on the ads and check the properties anytime you like to see when your Adsense ID is showing versus HubPages. The split isn't 50% anyway.
Once you write enough hubs you stop caring about that.
The way I look at it, it's free to publish here. Whatever we get is more than we had. So, I just keep writing. If you ever want to make sure you get 100%, then you'll have to create your own website.
For the great boost with google and ease of use I think it's a darn good deal.
60% is the hubber's share.
10% will goto referrer if there is one.
12% can go to someone who referred to the hub itself.
So technically hubpages is only guranteed 18% of impressions, anyway.
Wait, we get 12% of impressions for linking to other people's hubs? That would be a genius idea of Hubpages!
read darksides hub on referral trackers:
Yeah, when we remember to use our trackers. Which I all too frequently forget!
But that's me ripping myself off.
Eight weeks ago, you said,
For over a year now, you've just been complaining about HubPages, and ignoring all the advice people keep giving you. Plus HubPages makes it clear that just trying to promote another site isn't going to be productive.
Why do you stay and just keep complaining? Why don't you develop content on some other site if you dislike this one so much?
HubPages has stated (I don't know where now) that it's random, not a block of time assigned to your clicks and theirs. They've said if you take a short block of time (like a few minutes) the distribution won't always be 60/40, but over a longer block of time (like 24 hours) it will be very close. It seems to be the truth from my experience.
You can check it yourself easily by comparing your stats for the same time period in your AdSense channels - just before midnight U.S. Pacific time is when the stats synch up for the last 24 hours. You should be receiving about 60 AdSense page impressions in your hubpages.com channel for every 100 page views HubPages reports.
You ask "how can we be sure?" You're right - when we're not techies, how do we know? My grandma always counted the change the supermarket clerk gave, because, well...how did she know they were honest?
In this case, though, you DO have the power. Your best defense is to teach yourself about Google Analytics and AdSense reporting. That way, you have the tools to verify if they're telling the truth or not.
My opinion is that it works out right (and is fair and above board). Looking at my stats I can clearly see that my adsense account shows 60% of my page impressions as compared to my traffic stats. The way it works is that we don't have to trust HP to give us any money - the money comes directly from affiliates. We get 100% of revenue generated when our ID is showing. There is no pooling and sharing out of revenue.
My understanding is that the ID's rotate in a random fashion. It couldn't work on set times (and doesn't) because then HP would have to be able to predict precisely how much traffic a hub will get and how many ads were clicked and that is impossible.
What the folks above have said is all true, take a second to think. If someone found HP was not sharing revenue in the way that they say they do that would be fraud, do you honestly think they want a lawsuit for fraud on their hands? There are many hubbers here who are very technical, if there was fraud going on they would notice. This is not a fly by night gone in the morning fraud site. You would not see members of a year or more with a fraud site. They just can't last that long before risking legal action.
You are absolutely right kirstenblog.
The problem with some folk is they will never have that element of trust & will go on to consider many things they try on-line as dishonest.
A little trust coupled with an inspiration to write & share articles is required for success. Dale
My main concern is with the amazon. Also what about canadians and europeans. Are we getting the amazon revenue from them. I dont see the reason they have to be secretive about the times of day they display the adds. Do we just trust them because we believe they are nice people or what.
what part of random is going over your head? there are no times of day.
Is HubPages ripping us off.
I find that this question is completely out of place and not even warranted. It lack respect for those who built HubPages and the workers who maintain a highly trafficked business model that is offered freely to those who want to write, express, earn and learn.
If you're unhappy, then leave. Enough said.
How it it secretive? You can right-click on any hub at any time of day and choose view page source. There you can see whose ID is displaying anytime you choose.
I think its totally appropriate to question. But, its also very easy to test and figure out that the impression share works just fine.
either check stats or do a manual refresh and check ad id's.
Its very simple.
You can find out pretty easily for yourself whether or not this is the case, as others have mentioned. Whats all this fuss about?
Hmmm, I think most of us make more off of Amazon and Ebay anyway. I could be completely wrong.
I think they are being honest. I can't imagine Hub Pages being short-sighted enough to screw over their contributors like that.
Any employer has the opportunity to rip freelancers off. But do I think HB is doing so? No, I don't. I can think of other reasons to be vague like having freedom to make changes and to save expensive staff time in making reports.
I got a right to question anything I want. I didnt say HP is ripping us off I just asked the question. If you all hub lovers just dont question what happens on here because you love it then so be it. I question things as I see fit. I am not like some stupid sheep that just follows the herd. Ya they can be busted with the adsense. What about the amazon. Does the page view reveal who is getting the sale??
Doh! I meant to say get over it.
If you have nothing better to do than b*tch and moan about HP and insult those of us that are quite content to write and earn money here, then LEAVE. Sorry for shouting guys.
I would say you were more like the sheep that just wondered off aimlessly. There would be zero profit in Hubpages ripping off it's writers for a few % increase because they would simply migrate elsewhere. It is very easy to check if you don't trust the system, but it makes you look no different from the people who think that google is watching them because their ads match their emails and the like, it just shows a mistrust for automated technology.
Even when given facts you've mishandled them. I would have thought that in prior threads when you were told we get 60% and not 50% that you might have retained that.
Have you read the FAQ?
Do you know how to check the page source of a hub?
Some of us sheep have actually made the effort to dig deep and find out these things for ourselves.
It seems to me, your response should have been "how can i check for myself" - rather than getting irate you would have been satisfied hours ago.
you amazon id is - hxxp://www.amazon.com/Swim-Pool-Tile-Vinyl-Cleaner/dp/B002WKJA34%3FSubscriptionId%3D14H876SFAKFS0EHBYQ02%26tag%3D
hubpages id is hubpages-20
simply refresh any hub and right click or hover over a link and look for an amazon id - youll find the correct frequency does exist.
i have personally checked many times.
I aint b*tching as you said. I am asking a question. Learn the difference. I never said anyone was a stupid sheep. Learn to read. If you aint got nothing constructive to say the on the subject then just stfu. I am here because I wanna be. Plain and simple. This is an open forum to discuss things. That is what I am doing. I know you all dont like anyone to criticize anything hubpages does so I am sorry if I pi**ed in your cornflakes.
"like some stupid sheep"
Sure looks like you are calling people stupid sheep to me.
As for your last, keep it up and you may find yourself flagged.
Oh, and I do not eat cornflakes. Grow up.
I have Hubs to write, and a full share of the revenue to earn.
I think you've insulted everybody in this thread,tilecleaninghub.
Sorry, if it is not very constructive to you. Learn to be polite.
There is a difference between not being naive in business and being a major PITA without reason. Also, a conversation implies talking as well as listening. Just saying.
When I first joined I did think the same (rather paranoid because of other sites!), but then I did check the page refresh and the id's and stuff and all was well with Hubpages.....just write some paying F&*%in hubs ya lazy git! and clean them tiles while you're at it!
Lolololololol! hahahahahaha! oh red wine has gone to my head....fill me up I'm running on empty!
Why would you continue to write for a company you don't trust?
Come on folks leave the guy alone - he asked a question and only got riled because a few hubbers here made him out to be stupid.
He's got his answer, we are all happy...it's almost the Season of Goodwill, let's share a little around
You are using someone else's website to make money for free.
You can make more with your own site but won't have as much time to have fun doing so...
Relache for "President" and Wry Lilt for "Vice President"----Well Done!
The News has Been that Papatoto.Con have been Ripping Us Off.. not HP.. I think if you are worried about lost revenue then you should be kicking the butts of sites like those Scammers who are Stealing Articles!
I think it is wise for people to question business's honesty. There's all types of people who are out to get us. But the question of whether HubPages is giving users a fair share of the profits is easily proven.
I think anyone using Google will quickly see they earn roughly 60% of the hits they receive and a slightly more involved study over an extended period shows there's no significant changes between what time of day our ads appear. Over a year, we will have 60% of the hits every hour of the day.
The problem with this dude is he doesn't understand and doesn't want to do the legwork. But I don't think anyone should be berated for questioning Hubpages. We don't owe them anything; they are a business and we are paying their bills. We use their service because it benefits us, but they are not above careful scrutiny.
Based on my calculations, In the year plus I have been here, I have made the people of HubPages about $3.45 cents.
I think there's plenty of reason to be skeptical about money-earning opportunities on the Web.
But, as many have pointed out, it's easy to see if you're getting your share of your impressions consistently on HubPages. We do not "day part" impressions - it's the same split 24/7 - but you can verify that, too.
I would say it would be an exceptionally bad business decision to find a way to screw our users out of a few extra cents, besides, obviously, being a really bad decision on moral grounds.
We've found that being as open as we can about the way we do things earns trust, even among people who were skeptical at first.
Jason, why has no ones from Hubpages thanked me for my $3.45 contribution?
Why don't I have one of those little 'e' things next to my avatar?
Why haven't I been interviewed for that weekly? Hubpages update thingy?
shame on all of you...
I'll answer your questions in order:
- Thank you, but I suppose your thanks also comes in the form of the $3.45x0.60/0.40=$5.17 that you've earned.
- You're not a member of one of the Elite volunteer teams. http://hubpages.com/faq/#hubpageselite
- Each interviewed person invites the next person, so you haven't been chosen by anyone...yet.
oh sure.... $5.17 is fine and dandy... but a cyber hug now and then can't hurt either!
Volunteer teams? What am I supposed to help with.. how NOT to make money?? lol
Everyone here is too jealous of my prolific free flowing prose and eloquence... they would never select me. Envy is a shameful monster.
Now I know who is ripping off Hubpages, - Greek One!
It's not my fault you people didn't do your research and capitalize on the lucrative field of cartoon biographies.
I disagree. It IS your fault.
I have checked my email and my voice mail for the past 8 years and find NOTHING from you offering any information about getting in on the ground floor of these lucrative opportunities. Lest you think I have deleted these, I can assure you I have many other mind boggling offers and not a one from you.
Unlike other Internet gazillionaires, who REGULARLY offer to share their deepest secrets with me (I had one from Shoemoney just this morning!), you have decided to keep it all for yourself.
This makes me suspect that you are Republican, by the way. Although I think maybe Shoemoney is too, so that doesn't make sense. Never mind. Where was I?
you didn't get my email about Viagra pills at wholesale prices??
They could increase your net girth (and worth)
I got those, yes. But that's just you selling me pills (and yes, I am a loyal customer and I am hurt that you have never, never asked for a 300 page testimonial).
It didn't offer me a chance to get in on an expensive course or to get any shiny cd's. I REALLY WANT TO NE AN INTERNET ZILLIONAIRE. By tomorrow, if possible.
I only use those pills to stop me rolling out of bed in the morning.
er. I hope I haven't misjudged the mood.
there was plenty of mark up room in those pills...
all you had to do is send the same email I sent you to your list of contacts, but charge them a little bit more.
there is ALWAYS hornier guys out there willing to spend a little extra to get a little extra
What's the next hot product after Viagra? I did think of blow up men like inflatable Kens but it's been done already....maybe we should invent one and flog it around the traps?
I have just got my first Amazon sale here on HP and it didn't come sooner because I didn't fully understand what I was doing earlier but now if you will excuse me I have better things to do than read ill-advised undirected whining.
In case you have trouble reading between the lines, what have you actually done to maximise your page views and click throughs yourself?
HP are quite clear on it, they will provide the platform and YOU provide the traffic that converts, with 1-5 visitors you are not going to see much, once you start consistently getting thousands though it will build up.
I've been running my own websites for three years and am used to monitoring my Adsense and Amazon earnings. I personally find that my HubPages statistics are very much inline with 60% earnings.
The advantage of HubPages is that someone does not have to wait 2-3 months before they start earning, like they would with a new website. Running a website takes a ton of planning and work, and there are also costs involved, while HubPages doesn't cost a thing. You may only get 60% but you do not have to do 100% of the work. In my opinion it's a very fair deal.
Tilecleaninghub, you absolutely have it right. Hubpages is ripping you off. Only you though. Everyone else is okay with Hubpages.
I think not, because Google is in total control of the adsense revenue sharing process. That is, they display ads 60% on your hub for your adsense account and 40% on your hub for hubpages.
If you look at your Google analytics statistics, you will be able to analyze this well. Cheers.
How can we be sure they are not taking a bigger chunk of our money then they say.You should be receiving about 60 AdSense page impressions in your hubpages.com channel for every 100 page views HubPages reports.
Not exactly. Read this information for a better understanding of why page views and page impressions usually do not match up:
http://www.askdavetaylor.com/google_ads … views.html
It would be nice if the revenue was just split or something, and we could see it, but a site as big as hubpages I don't think would try anything shady. It would be way too risky for them.
My earnings were up in October and November without me writing any Hubs. So I trust Hubpages. Honestly, any company that cheats a customer or user is not going to be in business long. Write on Hubpages and then start your own blogs or websites, too, if you want more control.
It would be wrong to cheat us, but even if they did I'd still accept a nice cheque for hits. For most articles you only get paid once while the website gets residual and advertising income, so this makes a change. Other artists gets paid time and time again e.g. singers, so why not writers?
I cant believe you are writing something like this. Hubpages is one of the best sites on planet. You can never imagine your own website to come first on google for any keyword you take unless you work on for atleast 4 years. So think twice before you speak. However if you are low on traffic, you must try to improve. 60% is sufficient according to me as here we get 'quality traffic' and not a junk.
They do ads on rotation. For example, if I visit your hub there's a chance it could be your ad, there's a chance it could be a hubpages ad. It's not a time of day thing, it just rotates. I could visit a hub of yours a it'll be your ad, I could refresh and it be a hubpages ad.. it has nothing to do with the time of day.. just really little more than chance. However, I have found that my ad impressions in adsense have been on par with the traffic that is reported.
HubPages has pushed my work further than I have myself. While I wouldn't mind seeing a higher percentage of earnings, I have no complaints about HubPages. It's a friendly community as long as you don't get involved in Politics or Religion in the forums and everyone is helpful.
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