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   frogdroppingposted 12 years ago

   By the whinging on the forum. As time's gone by, I've felt less and less inclined to use the forum, help out, participate etc.
   
   Maybe I'm alone in my thinking but the p*ssing and moaning that goes on is cringe worthy and pathetic. Do folks ever read back before they hit 'submit'?
   
   There are some wonderful hubbers that frequent the forums, share info, offer advice, have a bit of R and R - but what they have to say is sometimes lost among thread after thread of 'my dad's bigger than your dad' posts.
   
   Then there's the inferrences about the HP team being right wing, left wing, in the theist's corner ... no, no, they're backing the atheists - this according to who's got a forum ban, who might have had a hub pulled.
   
   It's really spoiling the forum and there's many a FULLY contributing member of the site that no longer bother with the forum these days - which is a big loss to many, especially newcomers.
   
   There are many folk that need to get a grip, give the hubteam a break from all the childish behavior and grow up.

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      J Sunhawkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I'm sorry, what did you say? I couldn't hear because I was listening to my money compounding.

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         kmackey32posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         

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      Baileybearposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I used to ignore the bickering etc, but lately I've been hitting the report button on attacks etc.

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   Milla Mahnoposted 12 years ago

   Coming back every half a year or so works for me

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      frogdroppingposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The gorgeous Milla - I can see why that works

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         Milla Mahnoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Why, thank you Andria

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   rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago

   I usually don't read those threads. it's not as bad as it used to be when there was the forum gang with all of their sock puppets. that was nothing was nonsense.

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   Randy Godwinposted 12 years ago

   What ever you say, your Eliteness!

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   frogdroppingposted 12 years ago

   @ Randy lol I am not an elitist in any way shape or form. Snake
   
   @ Rebekah - good M.O. when in the forum. I don't bother reading them over much ... but I do notice them, pick up on the 'vibe' they create. And when I do bother wandering through one I really do cringe in and among and wonder if those doing the whining ever really consider how they come across when (for e.g.) he or she declares 'you just attacked me!!' *shudders* As for the sock-puppetry - deary me!
   
   @ Milla - fetching pink head scarf. Loving the bug-eye glasses. Soooooo on form

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      Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      What?  I thought you had great powers!  You mean I've been doing everything you told me to for nothing?

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         WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Yes. It's about time you stopped doing Froggy's washing.

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         frogdroppingposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Randy are you telling me that I can yank your chain? lol now there's a thing

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            Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Not till I get the kinks out of it!  LOL!

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               frogdroppingposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               You know Randy you're a whole month older than me. My elder. Are you my better elder?

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                  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  No, your Eliteness, your Hub manufacturing numbers far exceed mine!  I bow to your productivity!

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   WryLiltposted 12 years ago

   Totally with you on that. It's why I only make a stand when it's to do with stuff I understand, and why I usually avoid the religious and political forums and try and stay away from baiters.

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      sandra rinckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Regular baiters or Master baiters. lololol

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         WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I was hoping someone would pick up on the obvious.

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      Baileybearposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      same here. I don't have the first clue about politics, so stay out of there.

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      Wendy Krickposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I totally agree. I never visit the religious and political forums.

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   frogdroppingposted 12 years ago

   Wry I was thinking on it because I keep seeing the word 'attack' bandied around. You know - 'are you attacking me?', 'that was a personal attack', 'oh so now you're attacking me' - that kind of thing.
   
   I honestly cringe. It's pathetic. We're adults. I've worked with kids that really don't know better and this kind of statement is the last thing they'd come out with.
   
   Then there's the 'well, we all know which way HP lean' stuff. You know which way the team lean? The profit way. Hubpages is a business, they're here to make money. We're here because they make money - hell I make money!
   
   I'm pretty sure the guys in the office have got a dozen other things they'd rather be doing than trawling the forums breaking up petty squabbles.
   
   I know I'd rather they guys that were paid to moderate were employed to 100% support/mentor new hubbers - and able to do so because there wasn't a need to sort out the silly crap.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Ditto everything you said.
      
      It's why I wish the "latest posts" listing could be split, one for the HubPages-related threads and one for all the Category threads - because that's where all the juveniles are, mostly, and I could then ignore them.
      
      I try to ignore them now, by going straight to the forums that interest me - but it's hard to ignore a list that's so in your face, and it can't help making an impact.

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         EmpressFelicityposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         You don't even need to do that - just split the latest posts into "Religion" and "Everything Else".  That'll render at least 80% of the whingeing completely invisible

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   paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

   I agree with you frogdropping.
   
   For me it’s the snipers and nit-pickers that have worn me down…
   
   My urge to post has recently pretty much just plain gone away...
   
   It will be interesting to see how much my profile score drops as a result of my forum inactivity. Then again, maybe it will go up!

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   Mikeydoesposted 12 years ago

   If I'm not congratulating people(my favorite threads to post in!), I try to do my best to help out.
   
   I do get sick of some of the negative things said around here. Some people just like drama in their lives, which is fine by me, but I'm not going to be apart of it.
   
   I'm here to make hubs and learn everything I can, not get caught up in the politics of hubpages.

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    frogdroppingposted 12 years ago

    @ Para - it's a damn shame huh? You just get all blown out by it. Sometimes I wonder if folks pay attention to the real world, or do they just yell 'mommmmmmmyyyyyyyyy' at every imagined opportunity.
    
    Let's see how your score goes. Mine doesn't seem to alter re forum use
    
    Mikey hey Good for you. I'm liking your attitude, it's the right one. I help more off site now, it's easier and far more peaceful lol *nods*

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    Website Examinerposted 12 years ago

    Frogdropping, could it be your new avatar is making you a bit jumpy?

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    mega1posted 12 years ago

    I like the freedom on this forum = very much.  I don't mind if people "whing" a bit when they feel like it - it's all part of the freedoms.  I don't mind when they argue - the great thing is I don't have to shush anybody or get them to act like I do - If I don't appreciate their style, their manners, their words I just don't have to read any further! 
    
    Now, the whinging about the whinging - that's another thing!     
    

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       frogdroppingposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       

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       kirstenblogposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I feel very similarly. These forums are what we make them. No one holds a gun to our heads and says 'now post in this religious/political forum cause you know you know better then that guy!'. Engage in what you like and ignore what you don't and the forums will take on a different life, run away from the forums cause so and so is getting all preachy and so and so will just dominate the forums with their preaching. Feed the trolls, don't feed the trolls, its all good to me, I choose what I do here and what I avoid

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       seanorjohnposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I'm whinging about the whinging about whinging.

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          mega1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          no you're not!

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          Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Whats a whing without the ding to go along with it!

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    frogdroppingposted 12 years ago

    @ WE ... nope, 'fraid not. I felt like sharing for once. Seriously - I cringe. Don't you? Plus the team get some right welly for A) running a business and B) doing their jobs. I want them all happy and peaceful and dreaming up ways to strengthen the site, not forever separating a load of adult babies. Oh yeah - and maybe Maddie can start a side distribution of her cookies
    
    @ Randy stop calling me that lol! And I haven't been doing many of late, not from this account anyway. And if you're bowing down, do be a splendid chap and pass me the TV remote. I want to sleep and the TV's on

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       Website Examinerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I was joking. I can't contribute to this debate, somehow I seem to always miss the interesting threads others are talking about. I'm sure you've got a point.

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          frogdroppingposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I was funnin' too - the first part at least. I know you were meaning the fireworks As for contributing - you're a great help on the forum WE - I notice the good guys, who doesn't?

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             Website Examinerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Thanks! I stick to a very narrow band of topics, somehow that works for me and keeps me reasonably sane.

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       Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Okay, whenever they change the title I will not dare call you that!  I promise! LOL!

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    Uninvited Writerposted 12 years ago

    There does seem to be a lot of whining and fear mongering from adults who should know better.

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    Urbane Chaosposted 12 years ago

    Ya know, I haven't been around for several months due to my move, but I gotta say - it's not nearly as bad as it was before I moved. I was actually looking up profiles earlier today from a lot of those old forum "trolls", and noticed that the trouble makers from back then are gone.
    
    Still, I don't even bother with all that.  I learned a long time ago to ignore trolls, and to focus on the important people.
    
    Don't let it get ya down.  Trolls always seem to roam around in forums.  Go check out some other forums in various places - trust me, it's 100 times worse.  It's just how it is..

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    Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

    Hub Pages leans which way again? I can never keep it straight in my addled little brain:
    Leftist theist?
    Right wing atheist?
    Tea party pro choice?
    Libertarian socialist?
    All out communist with a free-market slant?
    
    Well, one thing we know for sure.
    They are seriously pro-animal, as evidenced by their obvious fondness for spirited frogs, snaky snakes, and kingly lions

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       Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       You misspelled "snarky"!

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    Mark Ewbieposted 12 years ago

    I had noticed that the quality of comment on the forums had dropped markedly since I joined up.  Flaming, back biting, childish nonsense, self promoting twaddle.
    
    Apologies for that.
    
    I can't help myself.

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       shazwellynposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       

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    Kangaroo_Jaseposted 12 years ago

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes, whinging, personal attacks, debates that go sour in the forums about who does what and where @ HubPages.......these are the ways of the Dark Side of the Force (including ye olde favourites, anger, fear and aggression)
    
    Battle with kind words you must......retort with helpful comments, you may use. Always provide to those less fortunate a helping hand in the ways of HubPages..........yes.....
    
    Strong am I with writing on HubPages, for it is MY ally......May writing on Hubpages and doing so with kind and good words in the forums, be with you ....... always........

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    ddsurfscaposted 12 years ago

    I concur....all the bickering about who is right and mud slinging, is about as bad as what we see on television during elections, only here there is no ending.  I think what I was told as a child applies....if you don't have something nice to say....say nothing at all.

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    rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago

    that's rather a broad based assumption, don't you think? HP consists of categories of topics that are written about.
    
    there are plenty of people posting in category threads who are not juveniles. and there's nothing wrong with people wanting to post in category threads. why else are there so many categories?? HP has given people an opportunity to discuss all kinds of topics. It's up to posters how they want to respond. to constantly judge people is as annoying as the bickering.

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       Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I didn't say they were!  I'm saying all the juveniles hang out in the Category threads, I didn't say everyone in those threads was a juvenile. 
       
       What I'm saying is that participation in the HubPages-related threads is useful and we all owe it to ourselves to keep abreast of them.  Participating in Category threads is purely social.  So I found it irritating when they were all lumped into the Latest Threads listing anyway, and even more so when the quality of discussion deteriorated.

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       camloposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I totally agree, RebekahELLE.
       
       And accompanied by a pseudo-superior tone is enough to make me want to throttle somebody ...

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          Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          And you're referring to....?
          
          As I pointed out to Rebekah, I didn't say everyone in the Category forums was juvenile.  I said all the juveniles hang out there - which they do. I think I'm perfectly entitled to "judge" the childish trolls, it's just unfortunate that Rebekah didn't read my post properly.

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             rebekahELLEposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             I understand all of your posts here Marisa..
             and I simply don't see why it's such an issue. the category threads are not purely social. they are for ideas, questions about certain topics, input, sharing, debate. if you notice, HP has given us far more topics to discuss in the Category section than the Hubpages knowledge related topics.  Hubpages is a writing community of people writing about topics. if people don't like a thread, I don't see why you allow it to bother you so much. some may look at this thread and see some of the posts here as juvenile. those that want to play or complain or whatever all have that choice, we choose where we want to participate. I think sometimes we can all learn from those we don't agree with.

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                camloposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                I love the way the category threads give us a further opportunity (apart from actually writing Hubs) to be imaginative and creative. Writers are, after all, imaginative and creative.

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                Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                If you notice, I didn't start this thread.  I'm only one of many people who find the shenanigans in the religious and political forums distressing.  I know for a fact that some people have been scared away from using HubPages because they happened to arrive at a time when the "latest posts" were dominated by ranting, name-calling and vicious posts. 
                
                Even in this thread, some people are saying they don't frequent the forum much any more because they find the domination of these threads depressing.  That's a pity, as they're losing their opportunity to be part of the community, and we're losing their input.
                
                I'm simply suggesting the existing split in the forums be applied to the "latest posts" section.   Then, the thing newbies would see first is a list of threads showing people asking for and offering help - a nice, positive impression.
                
                Unfortunately it wouldn't solve the problem in the Category "latest posts", but presumably people interested in a specific topic can go straight there in the left sidebar.
                
                Finally, maybe "juvenile" wasn't a good word to use.  What I'm referring to is bullies-in-the-schoolyard behavior - clearly, nothing in this thread falls under that category.

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    PaulaHenry1posted 12 years ago

    I agree that there is alot of "cruelity" and "immature attitudes" on the forums. I am fairly new (4 months old) but found it disturbing when I first joined and entered the 'games' of the forums.Some had attitudes about obviously asked-too-many-times questions, others went back and forth threatening to ban one another. I admit, it was a bit intimidating for someone just entering.
    
    Slowly I have learned who to address and who to plainly avoid. If the avoided posts on a forum I posted to- I walk away or ignore. I think maybe the best approach is to flag and move on or ignore all together.
    
    What is the old saying, something like- if you ignore him he'll go away? No attention to the person usually makes them think no one cares and that they couldn't stir anything up. Possibly they would stop? Realistically, I think it's a shame that people have nothing better to do.

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    psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

    I would also like to see 'new posts' split so I didn't need to see the continuous teacup storm in the religion area.

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       Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       That's exactly what I was saying.  I can understand it would be seen as discriminatory to separate off just the religious and political forums, so the logical split is the way the forums are already split in the left sidebar - between Category and HubPages.

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