she is very beautiful in her profile picture,writes good hubs,comments on fellow hubbers hubs...in summary i wish to be like her and others of her kind.
Merry xmas in advance.
I am in awe of poets. But makes me wonder what are they doing to a site like this, instead of having their own blogs or sites to publish them.
Long back I watched a movie called "Dead poets Society" or something similar.
that was indeed a beautiful movie. That man was so mis understood, I relate, your comments about why are poets here, actually made me cry, thanks i do not cry easily, and have needed to cry since my dad's death in January.....
http://hubpages.com/hub/Catching-Up-Wit … -Hub-Pages
Good Question actually, i feel priveleged to be able to communicate on the forums with people such as yourself, SunSeven. I do write other things other than poetry, but have not done for a while now. i dont want a blog of my own, i want to be a part of hubpages....... Until that privelege is taken away from me, i am happy here.
I am hoping to write some articles soon, and get back into the swing of things......... Why do you have a problem with poets being on hub pages?
oops that is not me..... I am old and my hair is...............
she is a great poet, artist, fried and guide. she is a total enterprise. God bless her
Yes, I like that pic of her with purple hair, too. And she is a great Hubber, very sociable, always finds the time to read other's Hubs, fun in the Sandpit ... the list could go on. Anyway, I always enjoy her company here.
this has just been brought to my attention.... thank you so much for the vote of confidence.
@Joy, I can't believe you were banned from HP forum. You are one of the finest people I have met online.
Sunseven is also a kind and cordial friend. I think her comment was not to hurt the poets. Actually the recent Google slap has put a question mark on the poems published on hubpages as search engines don't understand the death of poetry rather they prefer contents that are suitable for increasing the reputation of a domain; contents those with at least 400 words, great title....etc.
Joy, I know how much you love this community and how passionate you are about the creative forms of writing. But you know people are here more for earning through their contents than showcasing their creativity. Poets have enriched hubpages but short contents like poems don't help the reputation of hubpages much as an online platform that let you earn through contents. In case, poets are suggested to publish multiple poems in a hub or to add some description with a poem so that the hub exceeds 400 words.
As I am also a poet and love to publish poems in hubpages I don't like the fact that poems are not much appreciated in hubpages but for the greater shake of the community I will try to make my poetry hubs at least 400 words long from now on.
Joy, don't misunderstand me. I love all the creative hubbers in hubpages and try to follow them. Poets are not here to earn money rather they are more focused on sharing their unique thoughts with the world. I respect them.
You know what, i have been on hub pages a long time., I have changed my name a few times, and i have learned so much here, i really have........ I could not even use a computer when i started.
i have valued every minute of my time here, and knew it was too good to last forever. It was wonderful to have an inter change of encouragement with professionals, and i always knew if i did not up my game, i would one day be booted out or go quietly.
I am not a professional writer, do not understand all the jargon, play around in the forums, and then when inspired or in the mood write a poem, i am happy to go if i am spoiling it for others, and i am not offended at all,
Joy, with the little knowledge I have got about you I can clearly understand your feelings. I am here for 8 months and like you I have also learnt using computer just after joining hubpages!! Please, never tell that you are leaving. You are an asset for hubpages, really.
I do not understand, either we are messing up things for other serious hubbers, people like me should go........ It is like that everywhere, it is a world where money means more than everything....... I should be writing articles i suppose, if i and other people like me, are messing up the system, then of course we should go...... Hubpages has been a wonderful experience, but if we either improve or go, that is fair enough, i think it would take up far too much of my time, to become a writer, that hubpages valued as a source of income......
I am far too passive in every aspect of my life. When i recently left my job, because i was constantly bullied, the manager said, i was the nicest person she had ever met....
What good is being nice, i ask you. I am not young either. I have seven grandchildren, need to re address lots of things. I have left hub pages a few times, but had to come back, I love this community.
I am off to write a few sales hubs.
What the world needs is more product placement.
Every time I search Google I want product pages, especially the ones that have been linked up a bit so they are higher than the other stuff.
All that art, poetry, conceptual stuff - well what is the point?
Much better to have product placement rammed down your throat every time you search the internet.
Can't think what Google are playing at. If their Algo finds something that rhymes they should bin it.
More toasters. That's what we need.
Joy, I was being supportive. But using sarcasm. Doesn't always work.
I know Mark, sorry;;;;;;;;;;;; I thought you truly meant artistic things were wasted online. I know they must get in the way of serious salesmen and the like.
We go back a long way, and have had a love hate relationship for as long as I remember., Seriously though, is it time for the likes of me, to leave, for the sake of others........... i also thought you were the other Mark...... i am not in a good place at the moment, very sensitive, but i so thank you for your support...... I know who you are now.....
Joy, don't worry about such remarks. There have been threads written on the subject and Paul Deeds made this statement:
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/70209?p … ost1530525
It is not poetry that brings down the site, and to my knowledge HP has never made any statement that would indicate that to be true. Anyone hubhopped lately?
Joy, You are more than wanted here...just learn to ignore comments that are negative.. There are many who appreciate you here, so don't leave for just a few Love ya
Joy we have already lost Ralwus.
There will always be a place for your poetry here.
Ohhhhh a good love fest!
I love those, and I love Joy so great combo!
You are such a sweet heart Joy, you just keep doing what your doing girl friend!
aw thanks, you never know i may start writing articles again. I never earned any money, and worked really hard at them, so i just kinda gave up, as i was so busy doing other things, like working., I love to make friends and communicate on here, and i hope that does not change.
..yes Joy...don't you go away..
..it would be a boring world if folks only wrote items to sell something...
Ralwus is gone - hopefully he'll come back; I miss his writing
Joy, I think it's probably a rare Hubber (regardless of what he writes or doesn't) who hasn't wondered if, maybe, his kind of Hubs aren't quite what they "ought to be" or "what everyone else thinks a Hub ought to be". With so many (particularly recent) discussions about what makes "a good Hub" (etc.), it looks, to me, like some product-Hub Hubbers have been made to feel like their stuff is "wrong", poetry-Hub Hubbers have been made to question theirs - whoever writes whatever kind of Hub is likely to have started to question whether his own kind of Hub has become a "problem" (for HP, for other Hubbers, for himself, for Google - whoever/whatever). I know that for the last x number of years I've been questioning my own odd assortment of Hubs for one reason or another; but - you know what? Anyone who has been on here, and doing his best at writing his own kind of Hub within the guidelines and rules we've all been given, has been writing his own version of "a good Hub". Some earn. Some don't. Some are great writing. Some aren't. Unless and until we start hearing that HubPages wants something other than the mix of stuff people have been writing, everyone's Hub belongs on here. Not everyone likes the same thing, and not everyone wants to read the same kind of stuff.
If the HP team were tell us, "No more poetry, please," or "No more first-person stuff, please," then any of us affected by that kind of change would adjust (in one way or another). In the meantime, it has been made clear (through that link above) that there's a place for poetry Hubs.
I don't think there's a mentally healthy, emotionally mature, Hubber who hasn't been asking himself if he ought to change his writing ways in one way or another. Sure, there are people who so stuck on themselves (to the point that it pretty much looks like mental illness or a personality disorder) who don't question what they do. There are also people who just don't give a rat's bottom about anyone else, including the site or other Hubbers (but, again, those are people who have "a problem"). Most people (particularly with all this recent Google stuff that's gone on) are going to wonder if one kind of Hub they write or another doesn't belong on here, or if when someone else is talking about "all the crap that's out there", that person means his kind of Hub. ( )
Anyone who doesn't earn on here has nobody to blame but himself (except, of course, now that Google thing has happened - but that's HubPages' worry, not any individual Hubber's). HubPages is addressing the issues, and I have no doubt they may come out and make some guideline changes (but nobody can guess whether or not such possible changes would even involve the poetry Hubs at all).
Personally, I'm going with the guidelines and rules are now. If they change, I'll do the next thing. People shouldn't be leaving because a few people in a few forum threads have made remarks about one kind of Hub or another. A lot of those people don't know what HubPages' aims are, any more than you or I do. Don't let a few personal opinions/preferences/guesses drive you away from a site you say you've enjoyed. I've been on here long enough to have seen how all the things "everyone thinks makes a good Hub" have changed, as Hubs "nobody thought would be anything anyone wanted" have actually proven earlier "conventional wisdom" wrong. Two examples of what "word was" that changed: 1. Nobody on the Internet wants to read more than 400 words - tops. 2. Nobody who searches really cares about perfect grammar. That was "conventional Internet wisdom" a few years ago. Now people are being told otherwise.
If you like this site, and you like writing your poetry Hubs, keep writing on here. If the time ever comes when HP decides it would rather not have poetry (or whatever else on here), they'll make an announcement, send e.mails - whatever. It's one thing for people to simply have to make a change as a result of official, changed, guidelines. It's another for people to feel driven off the site because of what a few vocal forum-posters have said, or implied, about their own idea of what a Hub ought to be. I have my own theory (and I don't think it's just "theory") about what brought on the "Google slap" and - really - I think it had little to do with poetry on this site, or any other site. Helium dealt with the creative writing/informational article difference by giving creative writing (including poetry) its own category and even giving people "badges" (or whatever they call them) for well rated writing - so somebody thinks there's a place for creative writing/poetry on the Internet, while also aiming not to have a fiction story show up in a search for information.
Just don't jump the gun on thinking you or your writing don't belong on here; and REALLY don't worry about "dragging others down" on here. All those "zillions" of other poets on here may not come to the forums to read discussions and end up questioning their own Hubs as a result. You've said you like the community. You know you're well liked by people who know you here. You know lots of people admire poetry. So just do your thing and don't worry about anyone else's two (often worthless) cents. (And I don't have any one thread, or one poster, in mind at all - just thinking about the general "flavor" that's been going on a lot these days, with "everyone" talking about what's "good" and what it isn't.)
I wrote this long post for you, Joy; but I thought it may also help some other people who are questioning their own kind of Hubs (poetry or otherwise) as well. I question the kind of Hubs I've written all the time. Much of the time, I think, "What a bunch of crap." If I ever get "official word" that HP doesn't want that kind of Hub I'll do the next thing (or else they won't clear the Hub for publication anyway ). In the meantime, I have to just ignore it if five or six people on a forum thread hint that the kind of thing I write isn't a "high-quality Hub". What makes a "good Hub" is way too subjective to pay attention to anything other than what HP officially offers in terms of rules/guidelines.
Anyway, end of "rah rah speech". (I also feel insecure and question myself about the fact that I write long forum posts - but I can't care about that either. ) In all seriousness, I thought, maybe, this was worth saying because a lot of people may not realize it isn't just the Hub-poets who have been questioning their own kind of Hub recently (or even not so recently).
thanks for taking the time and effort to write all of that.
I have not been around on hub pages for a while, so genuinely wondered if this was coming from the top so to speak......
I treasure the time on hubpages, and still think one day i will start to earn with my writing, but it is obviously not a priority or i would have done it by now.....
thanks for the thumbs up and encouragememt to keep going...... Brenda.
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