Why does Redgage rank HIGHER than Hubpages on Google?

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   Brie Hoffmanposted 14 years ago

   Every time I write a new hub I post it on Redgage as well as SHETOLDME and a few others...  Now when I go and check it later my Redgage posting is in google search but not hubpages...WHY?
   
   Anyone?

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      CYBERSUPEposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Good question Brie, I was wondering the same thing.  I will follow your question to get the answer from someone.

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      Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I have wondered about that also. And yesterday when I checked a hub ranking, it had slipped due to the Google change. What I am curious about is why the SheToldMe link ranked higher than my Hubpage article???  Sounds opposite of what Google is trying to do in my opinion. Same with Redgage.

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      bgamallposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Since Google has changed things around you may want to post links to real sites that people really go to. Post sites in forums or on blogs that are popular, etc, and not redgage as both Hubpages and redgage were demoted. In order to have link juice you need to post to sites that have not seen this hit. Alexa.com shows redgage tanking bigtime since Google modified the algorithm.
      
      http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/redgage.com#

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         brandonhart100posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That's hard to believe since I know rank higher for RedGage than HP for many many keywords.  I'm wondering if I should delete all of my RG links.

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            brandonhart100posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            *now

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               bgamallposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Maybe replace them with quality blog posts elsewhere. Google is going to have static, 1.0 sites at the top of search and I don't think that people will like them, but we will see.

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         Brie Hoffmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Damn, I hate this.  Why would Hubpages be tanking?

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         Brie Hoffmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Do you have any suggestions?

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            bgamallposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Brie, post your hubpages at quality sites on the subject. Build up your backlinks with sites where people besides authors go.

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      oceansnsunsetsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Brie, and everyone, I feel silly asking this, but I have to ask.  Am I understanding that you post the same content you put here, on Redgage and Shetoldme?  How does that work as far as getting "copied content" on other sites, even though its all your own content?  I know hubpages will flag your hub with that little red c and a circle, in your account.
      
      Help me out here guys ? Thanks!

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         Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You don't post a duplicate of your hub there. It is a shortened blurb about your hub and a link to go to Hubpages to read the entire story.

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            oceansnsunsetsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            OH, well thank you for that Michael.  I read it just as she wrote it, and didn't  know it was just a blurb, that makes more sense to me, thanks.

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         Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         It's not precisely word for word content being placed on other sites. Therefore, duplicate does not apply. Most people re-write their articles quite a bit, so as to stay away from duplicate content.
         
         I use RedGage, as a linking place for my hubs. I've written blogs that lead to other hubs.

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            oceansnsunsetsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Ok, thanks for that.   Do you mean google blogs? Same idea, the goal being to direct google traffic to hubpages?

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               Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, I have two blogs on Blogspot.com, which is Google. I have adsense on one of my blogs and my other blog has amazon on it.

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      IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I've noticed before that sometimes redgage, shetoldme etc stuff indexes quicker, but it usually doesn't last longer above the hub more than a day or two.
      I actually haven't backlinked any hubs at all for the past month so couldn't tell you what is happening now.

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         oceansnsunsetsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I go back and forth on this idea, and backlinking.  I have yet to officially decide how much it is worth doing some duplicating of hub content, vs putting that time and energy into just doing a new hub on another topic.  I tend to lean toward the latter, because I have so much I would love to write about, but its a time thing. 
         
         After hearing what some people make on here, I think I may not be doing something right, because its nothing close to others, and esp not anything like the success stories.  Those just blow my mind...

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            IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Oh I didn't duplicate any of the hub content - at least I haven't done for about 8 months or so. what I used to do was write a (fresh) short blurb and post that.
            But I've since discovered that while it helps getting a hub indexed quicker, the backlinks don't last and I've had hubs do well since I stopped, just by hitting the right keywords or low competition phrases or whatever.
            Others sink out of sight, but that happened when I backlinked too.

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               oceansnsunsetsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Thanks Izzy, appreciate you sharing your experiences here.  Learning a lot...  Its weird how things show up when they do, then what happens long term.

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                  Brie Hoffmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, you just write an intro and then link it to your hubpages.  I do it mainly to get onto google search faster, although I have quite a few fans there so who knows!

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                     bgamallposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I won't link to shetoldme or any of those sites. Tweetmeme and Digg seem like they didn't take a hit. Some popular pligg sites may still be ok. But linking to those other sites may actually hurt.
                     
                     Shetoldme bounced back a little yesterday: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/shetoldme.com#

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      Raghavzxposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      cause the post get a" latest / refresh boost " by google and hence they rank higher but eventually they loose there high rank and eventually come down below the original post

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   frogdroppingposted 14 years ago

   Right now HubPages is not looking good. But it's not a bad idea to remember why Google has implented the change. They're looking to sort the wheat from the chaff. Maybe, right now, that's why some stuff that appears so prominently is featuring in pole positions.
   
   I'm not sure I'm spot on but this is a time of change for the SE and it's natural that what they're aiming to do is expose what they don't want.
   
   I'm looking at it all as though they've dropped everything through a sieve, with holes that are small enough to find the debris. Again, I don't know that I'm right but it makes more sense to shake out what they don't want, in order to find it.
   
   I'm suffering no less than anyone else but I'm not wasting time trawling the 'net and worrying. I honestly don't believe that Google intends to lose all the best stuff in favor of the lower quality content.
   
   There will always be shaky ground, this is what an algo change is all about - change. And if it's not for the better, why go to the bother of developing code that sorts everything for the common good, only to find that the oil rises to the top and muddies the water?

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   ryankettposted 14 years ago

   This only serves to convince me that Hubpages will rise again, maybe not to their prior heights, but rise nonetheless.
   
   It will likely involve Hubpages satisfying Google that they have retrospectively employed higher quality standards, and carry on those standards in the future.
   
   Google is not going to determine which individual articles are worthy of ranking and then rank them accordingly, I believe that they have manually slapped sites, in order to shock them into doing it themselves.
   
   Lots of deleted content, stronger quality controls, hey presto Hubpages gets its status back subject to plenty of future Google scrutiny.
   
   I doubt that Google are going to happily see two dozen innovative Silicon Valley businesses go bust overnight, especially when they are such big revenue spinners for them. Remember that Google are in the bay area themselves, I suspect that there will be at least a little patriotism employed.

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      Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      What you are saying is why I am waiting before I consider making any changes to my hubs. I want to see what happens and then make the appropriate changes if needed.
      I feel confident that HP and others will make known what is needed after the dust settles. I have been looking around as mentioned before and at first was unsettled, but am not going to panic and go wild in making changes that may end up doing more harm than good.
      I have a couple of Hubs I have been working on, but will not publish them until I know what is the end result.

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         oceansnsunsetsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hi Michael, I wonder what kind of changes you are thinking of making to your hubs? 
         
         I am just trying to understand more what is going on.  I agree with some others, that there is a lot of junk out there, and I just don't understand what has caused hubpages to get a low score.  (Other than they are talking about low quality content...but that seems so odd to me..) 
         
         Confused in the Midwest lol

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            Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            This is why I am waiting until the dust settles to make any changes. I have seen some crappy links move up, but I just can't see them staying there long. I am waiting to see what happens and hopefully HP or those more experienced here on HP will be able to let us know what is needed.
            Who knows, I may not need to make any major changes.

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      oceansnsunsetsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ryan, you mention Hubpages having higher quality standards, and proving it to Google (or a form of that) and I wonder how Hubpages can encourage higher quality standards?  This is what I seem to "not be getting"  in this whole discussion.  Many people here put out high quality content, those that don't, still don't seem to be putting out junky content especially compared to all the other junk out there.
      
      My biggest question is, content like what?  What is being suggested that isn't quality, does anyone know, like examples?  They want more of ____? or less of _____?  The blanks are what I don't understand there lol.  Thanks for any help Ryan or anyone.

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         ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Oh there is TONNES of junky content on the site, trust me.
         
         Yes there is quality content, lots of quality content, but it needs to be only quality content.
         
         In fact I would be happy for Hubpages to raise the bar high enough for me to flag 50 of my own articles, I would do that, weed it out if they want it enough.
         
         I would like a pre-approval system, your Hubpage is published after review by an editor.
         
         Want to see an example of junk? http://hubpages.com/profile/writers
         
         That hubber has had 10 million views since before accolades were introduced. http://hubpages.com/hub/www_yahoomail_com was 4th on Google for the search term www.yahoomail.com, is still 6th in the UK.
         
         That hubpage alone must get millions of hits. That hubber must be on the way to 100 million views.
         
         For me, that is junk, and the reason that Google and co are wary of their ads being exploited.
         
         I can provide many more examples, but I trust that traffic accolade will be sufficient enough to answer your question

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            David 470posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            What in the world! Is he getting that much traffic because of the misleading titles or???
            
            I have never seen a profile like that before...

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               ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               He has been around for years, and with traffic like that he wouldn't have gone unnoticed by the team.
               
               Which is my point really, they KNOW what they have to do, and that is to change their strategy from quantity to quality. Simple. And quality includes no duplicate content and a minimum hub length
               
               Titles which are just URLs are banned on several other sites, including Xomba.

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                  IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Funny you should mention that, I found loads of titles/usernames tonight that were urls and flagged a few of them (couldn't flag them all - I'd be there all night.
                  
                  Just do a hub search to http and see what comes up!
                  
                  Some have put some content in, but a lot haven't (unless the hub team have cleaned them all up tonight) and they've been up for yonks!

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                     ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I have a few with www. .com titles, I actually wrote them to attach myself to the related hubs section of that hubber
                     
                     They did very well, but have all now died, quite rightfully so - because it means the hubs linked to above have been slapped by Google.
                     
                     Now they should be removed.

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                        bgamallposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        So you were part of the problem Ryan? At least you fessed up!

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                  Brie Hoffmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  You can still have crap but just more of it with a minimum length.

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            oceansnsunsetsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Well, that is rather interesting....I had no idea....  It seems it must be a struggle to not let a site be taken over by those that just want to abuse it and bring it down or trash it in whatever way.  I have seen that happen at other places on the net, and it brings not only the morale down, but its just turns into not that great a site.   Not speaking about anyone in particular there, just sharing what I have observed.  Its got to be frustrating for the sites, because it forces their hand to do either nothing, or go after those that hurt the site for all, over all. 
            
            Just clarifying too, that when you keep saying minimum hub length, you mean not just super short hubs, but rather longer hubs?  What is your definition of a hub that is too short?  (Not a problem for me, i can get wordy lol)

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               ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               400 words minimum, maybe even 500 words. I would say 500 is an acceptable length, I tend to write 500-1200. Sure I've got a few below that.
               
               I wouldn't blame the author of that hubpage, I blame something else altogether. But that is hindsight, all I can say is that I suspect that this type of stuff has to be seen as unwelcome on the site from now on.

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                  ThomasEposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  What I would do, is reduce author share to 50%. And offer the extra 10% to member moderators. They would be given a category each. Before any article was published in that category it would have to go through the moderator.
                  
                  I would give the moderator a simple criteria to judge by: is the article good?

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            Penteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            So many people (including my wife) type the URL into google instead of the address bar, then click on the top result.
            
            Google keyword shows almost 5 million searches for yahoo and yahoo dot com every month.

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               ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               2.7 million exact searches for the term www.yahoomail.com per month
               
               I would love to have a hubpage in 4th position for that

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            Brie Hoffmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I didn't know hubs like that existed either....hmmm

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      snakebabyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      "I doubt that Google are going to happily see two dozen innovative Silicon Valley businesses go bust overnight, especially when they are such big revenue spinners for them." - well, but everyone else has google adsense, what's the difference for google when they sink hubpages and raise others?
      
      There are quite a few things HP can do to improve, some are so easy, others may be hard to implement, but this is a wake up call to everyone, a good thing for the long haul. I hope low quality hubs can be eliminated in the end because of this google change. Right now HP is full of junks whether or not you are willing to admit.

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         ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         "well, but everyone else has google adsense, what's the difference for google when they sink hubpages and raise others?"
         
         The biggest gainers are stores such as Amazon.com and Sears plus Wikipedia. Good luck finding AdSense ads on those sites

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         ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         "well, but everyone else has google adsense, what's the difference for google when they sink hubpages and raise others?"
         
         The algorithm has pushed up stores like Amazon and Sears, as well as Wikipedia. Good luck finding AdSense ads on those sites

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   Peter Hogganposted 14 years ago

   When I look at results for my hubs I have more or less maintained my rankings. Any changes have been to the good. I still rank well for competitive terms such as "Guide To Google PageRank", "Article Spinning", "Keyword Research Tutorial" and many others. For me HubPages is still looking good.
   
   That said, there is a lot of crap published here and as ryankett suggests tougher editorial controls are much needed if HubPages is to remain a valuable resource for article publishers.

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      ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Are you surfing through a proxy when you conduct those searches?

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         Peter Hogganposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Nope I am using google.com with histoyy switched off. For me all results are in the top 3. Are you seeing something different?

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            ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            No I haven't checked your hubs Peter, but plenty of people were seeing one of mine at #1, #2 or #3 dependant on where they were in the US.
            
            Sunforged then surfed through a proxy agent, and found it at #9. The decline in traffic was much more consistant with a #9 ranking than a drop from #1 to #3.
            
            A few hours later and some of the others started seeing it at #9. Something to do with data centre location I guess

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   brimancandyposted 14 years ago

   There are so many idiotic things that you can find on Google, why would hubpages be lower in the ranks? In my situation, I usually use my username as a keyword, and let people find all of the sites I belong to, rather than having them search through millions of pages to find me.
   
   But, I do notice that Youtube and Redgage rank higher in the search then my Hubpages. Also, I always get this message that "similar links have been blocked in this search. Do you want to see the blocked links as well?" But, clicking on yes, gives a list of all of my hubs, and links connected to them. Along with every post I have made in the forums, and some of the replies.
   
   I also found some sites that I have not posted on in over 2 years! Along with finding my username linked to other webpages that have nothing to do with any of the sites that I belong to.
   
   Like find Brimancandy on shopping.com. WTF! I'm just glad that those sites are not appearing at the top of the search list. So far so good. I should also mention that the more sites I join with the same username the more they compete with each other in the rankings.

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      bgamallposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If the new search leads you to some forums with a thimble full of information, that can't be good, and that can't be an improvement.

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         brimancandyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That is true, but it also depends on how you search. I did a little test, and when I did a photo search, a majority of my sites were at the top of the list.
         And, when I did a video search, only my stuff came up, and nothing else.
         
         But, I am not hoping that just anyone will find me. I plan to have a target audience first, and then build a new audience through people that they communicate with. Sort of like how you find friends on facebook. I started there with no friends, and now I have 98, if you add all of my friends and followers from various sites, I have over 500 friends.
         
         I also learned that I made $.23 cents today. When It took me almost a year just to make a dollar, so I'm heading in the right direction. Anything is better than nothing at all.

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   frogdroppingposted 14 years ago

   Well if it makes anyone feel a bit better my traffic is moving back up again. After much messing around it looks to be 10% better than it has been. Might not be much but that's 10% to the positive.

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      IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Mine is a bit better too, but I think that's only because its the end of the weekend, it normally picks up about now for me.
      I'm still about 25% down (haven't worked it out exactly).

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   IzzyMposted 14 years ago

   OMG I read his www.yahoo.com hub! Did you see the comments? All those poor folk who couldn't access their email accounts left messages.

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      Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I was shocked when I read that also. People thought they were commenting to Yahoo. Very misleading Hub. How did it Not get hit with "misleading tags, title, etc" by HP?

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         ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Too valuable to them? I attached myself to the 'related hubs' section and made a good few dollars a week alone by doing that.

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            Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            You must be right there. I always hate it when I find material like that when searching on the web.
            My biggest gripe with Google has always been Images in search. You list one word or name and it shows 10,000,000 matches. After the first 3-4 lines of pics you find images that have absolutely nothing to do with your search for page upon pages. (Well, maybe one or two mixed in every 10 pages.)
            That is why I always use Yahoo for image search. It is more direct to what I am looking for.

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      Ign Andyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not so sure that was real comments. Some people use comments as strategy to update content.

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         ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         The hubber has not been active for years, and would he really facebook share it 512 times?
         
         Go and check out the search term www.yahoomail.com and then come back when you have seen the figure, imagine the hub in 4th place on the Google rankings, and then provide your own estimate of the traffic to that hub
         
         I would say 400,000 per month absolute minimum.

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            Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Ryan...I typed in the address just as you wrote it and it came up #2 on my Google search.

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               ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Well there you go... a shining example of why the sh*t has hit the fan. Its #6 in the UK, was #4.

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                  Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Wow, sounds like Google is listing more crap now with this change. Oh well, as far as my searching the web, I still prefer Yahoo. I only use Google sparingly and when I am checking my Hub status.

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                     ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     What I am trying to say is that this sort of content, typical of a content farm, is precisely why Hubpages has been tarnished with the label "content farm" and precisely why people demanded the change in the first place. I am by no stretch of the imagination blaming Google, my point is rather simply that this Hubpage would not have gone unnoticed by Hubpages and yet they would have allowed it to remain on the basis of the traffic that it won for the site. What I am saying, quite simply, is that this type of strategy needs to change. Not Google, this is the response of Google to the trend, Hubpages needs to erradicate low quality sh*t like this. And they know that a lot of it exists, that is my very point!

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                        Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        And I do agree with you on that! I have been amazed at what I have been seeing while Hub Hopping lately. I do flag it!

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                  Ign Andyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Just checked, that hub only have 51 backlinks.
                  So how it can perform well, not only for google.com but it also top 5 in many google search.

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                     IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Hmmm...so MS is still not throwing out accurate results. He's still #2 though, right?

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                        ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I would take Market Samurai over most tools Izzy, particularly any free online ones.

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                        Ign Andyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I use yahoo site explorer, just for quick look. I think MS number more consistent considering SERP performance.

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                     ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     The vast majority of backlink tools will show you only a handful of the total number of backlinks, I suggest that you ask which tool IzzyM is using, seeing as she found 8 times more than you.

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                  Rosie2010posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  It's 5th here in google.ca

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         IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Nope they were real. Some people even left their email addresses.

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            Ign Andyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            In m opinion, there are too many repetitive pattern like people submitting same comment 3 times.

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               IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Well makes no odds, this guy is getting millions of hits...ON THIS HUB! It's one of his hot hubs...the other one too was  dating site or something??

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               IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Just saw this - desperate people do go back and repeat what they said, especially if they thought they were at a help desk of some sort.

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                  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  There are also over 3000 comments, I doubt the hubber would produce that many! So I have to say that no, they are not fake

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      David 470posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Holy crap that hub has a lot of comments! That hub must have gotten millions of views alone...Those people thought they were at yahoo, and left concerns on issues...
      
      I am surprised that guy has been here on hubpages for so long.

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         Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I am surprised Yahoo didn't file a complaint!!!

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   IzzyMposted 14 years ago

   I did a search on Market Samurai.
   
   Searches - 90,000 per day.
   Potential earnings for #1 spot $9,000
   
   He is at #2 and he has 626 backlinks. All of them are PR0,(same as him) except for one which is a PR1 -
   
   http://www.kv3pathankot.com/impwebsites.html
   
   4th from top, takes you right back to his hub.
   
   Is this hubber a member of the hubteam??

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      ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Lol, I doubt its a member of the hubteam. My accusation isn't that serious.
      
      But it is clear that Hubpages have "let this one slip" so to speak, purely on the basis of a)revenue, b)traffic stats or c) both.
      
      I am simply saying that they need to place their emphasis on quality, as turning a blind eye to it in favour of statistics or revenue is a false economy.

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         IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I only mentioned the hub team because this hubber dates back 4 years to the start of the site. Now if he's not hubteam, why has he been allowed to keep a hub up that is clearly misleading, and that is against the rules?

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            ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            The traffic and ad revenues, probably.

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   IzzyMposted 14 years ago

   I love my Market Samurai when it's working well

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    IzzyMposted 14 years ago

    Well, I flagged that hub, but I won't hold my breath. That really is a money-maker for the site

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    I just read his loan consolidation hub. It is ordinary to say the least with a hubscore of 64.Hubpages probably have no reason to take it down though if it is getting that many hits. It seems to be within TOS.

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       ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes we know that all of this stuff is within their TOS, but that's the issue isn't it? That the TOS are not strong enough?
       
       We are not talking about that Hubpage though, does that one get lots of hits too?

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    ryankettposted 14 years ago

    There is one is entitled 'Downloading Microsoft Word' but provides no download link, the type of stuff that makes me furious online. Possible misleading title?
    
    There is another entitled 'Leather Photo Album: what is it, where to buy the best and cheapest' which provides no link and doesn't actually give you any idea where they are cheapest.
    
    This one has 4657 comments: http://hubpages.com/hub/www_orkut_com
    
    More than the YahooMail one!
    
    'Southwest airline reservation phone number' should never be a hubpage, and the comments are from people thinking that they are talking to Southwest Airlines.
    
    I have many other accounts to show, but I would prefer not to sit here hammering nails into the coffin of my most important income source

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       IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       It just gets worse.
       
       Did you read those poor folk's comments at what they thought was switchboard.com?
       
       And as you say those travellers at the reservation line...
       
       Hey money is money but this is just SAD!!

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    IzzyMposted 14 years ago

    Where are all the hubbers who usually post on the forums? How come they are not here to say - hey, come on let's put a stop to this crap now!

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       David 470posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Wasn't a habee often in the forums?

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       Peter Hogganposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       It will be interesting to see how HubPages respond to this.  I would especially like to hear their comments on the hub under discussion.

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          IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I'd love to sit up and wait for more responses, but its almost 5am I need to go to bed.
          I doubt there'll be any response from HP.
          This can't be the first time this has been brought up, although its the first time I've heard about it.

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          Brie Hoffmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Have you written to them about it?

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             Peter Hogganposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I have reported what I have thought were spam hubs in the past, nothing happened so I don't bother anymore.

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       Brie Hoffmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Don't you flag them?

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          IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah I did. But the silence has been a bit deafening from others.

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             agvulpesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Well lizzy 'silent' I may be but I am out there 'flagging'. The same rate that I have been flagging since I started here. I just don't have the time to talk about it on the Forums.
             I read and support most of what you are saying

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                IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Cheers, agvulpes
                
                I know loads of us have spent the weekend flagging, it's just for a time tonight it seemed like hardly anyone was joining in this thread.
                Glad the reinforcements have arrived!
                Now I really can go to bed

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       lrohnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hey, come on! Let's put a stop to this crap now!
       
       Seriously, I've been hubhopping my heart out for the past three weeks. I wish I had been doing it for the past two years, but I haven't.
       
       I've found tons of stuff out there that is two to three years old that is serious, serious crap and a clear violation of TOS. I would bet that back then, their systems weren't as sophisticated and their staff wasn't as large, and that's why a lot of this stuff got through. As Ryan has said several times -- they need to go through and do a really good housecleaning.
       
       And as I said yesterday, when you're hubhopping and you come across really bad garbage hubs, please check the hubber's profile page and other hubs for older hubs that are as bad and then flag appropriately.

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          Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I have done that recently and found all hubs by one that were all the same and flagged the profile as well as several of the hubs. I couldn't figure out how they even got published.

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    Peter Hogganposted 14 years ago

    Here is an extract from the last hub I reported:
    
    The main advantages of receiving and giving cash are easy loan approval facility and getting short-term loans. In case of the loan approval bank will tries to make decision in short span of time.
    
    It's still online, so why bother wasting time reporting crap if nothing gets done about it?

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       Mutiny92posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       [ur;]http://hubpages.com/hub/Abut-Hanif[/url]
       
       Looking at the writers, I wonder how many of the pure spammy/low quality articles could be minimized if new hubbers were given a probationary period...
       
       Of course, that wouldn't stop the classic example that Ryan posted, but it might help address $#%@ like the one here.
       
       The drawback is certainly the extra manpower needed to review them.  The benefit is the extra income that could be earned after recovering from Google's Farmer update.

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          Mutiny92posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          http://hubpages.com/hub/Abut-Hanif
          
          urgh---fat fingers today

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             IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I already flagged that one today! Guess that team haven't reached it yet.

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             David 470posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Why would somebody post something like that?

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             Rosie2010posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             this one says "No longer published"
             
             I can't believe what I'm reading here.  I'm so disappointed at HP.

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             mistyhorizon2003posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Just checked and this hub is no longer published, so either the author or Hubpages have removed it.

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             Mutiny92posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             wow---kudos to HP for reacting so fast!

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                Peter Hogganposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                I did another report on the hub I mentioned before and it has been taken down as well. Great stuff HP.

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          Peter Hogganposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Yep, it probably does come down to how much time and resources HP can realistically put into policing spam.

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    IzzyMposted 14 years ago

    I think all the 'elites on Hubpages should  be given special powers for a while to take down hubs, that would be extra hands for the staff. We need to clean this site up.

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       Peter Hogganposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       A good idea. I imagine it would be relatively easy to implement as far as extra coding is concerned.

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          Mutiny92posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I like the idea Izzy.  Typically, the elites are folks who participate and have a vested interest in the success of hubpages.  It seems that it would help both hubpages and the active hubbers to have some sort of a mechanism to more quickly take down poor quality hubs. 
          
          I could see where there needs to be controls or else it could be used inappropriately...an appeal system maybe?

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       tonymac04posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I like this idea - the site needs a big clean-up and the elites would be given another meaningful role.

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       ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       That wouldn't work, too much conflict, and that would only serve to see elite members delete a few golden gooses or cash cow, thus making the situation even worse

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          Mutiny92posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I think that would be a rarity.  Or else the elite status would not last very long for that person.

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             IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Yeah give them guidelines and direct communication access with staff when in doubt.
             It would be a lot cheaper than employing a new staff member to do it, and new staff would not know the history of HP and what is acceptable and what isn't.
             
             In return, HP could promote their hubs or something.
             
             Maybe the elites don't want that extra responsibility of course?

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       JustMikeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I think the person with the yahoomail hub would be considered an elite.

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    lrohnerposted 14 years ago

    Based on what I've seen tonight, the HP team deserves a Purple Heart, a round of applause and a huge martini.
    
    I've seen a few hubs called out here that have been taken down very quickly. Kudos HP Team!

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       Mutiny92posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I smell a new Accolade coming!  A purple heart for those hubbers who lived through the Farming Update. 
       
       A big purple heart please! 

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       Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah, can't wait to hear the story concerning the hubs, and authors thereof, discussed on this page.  Just found this thread and wish I hadn't.

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       Brie Hoffmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe it's our fault, I mean, I've never looked at bad hubs to flag them.  It's only since all of this fall out with google has happened that I've even considered it.  Maybe once we start to make a habit of flagging bad hubs HP will step up as well.  After all it must be hard to keep track of bad hubs if no one is flagging them.

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          Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I think this is the problem, Brie.  Although I don't spend lots of time Hub Hopping, I've always tried to spare some time to scan the latest Hubs.
          
          My effort was meant to catch the bad stuff before it slipped into the masses.  I never felt bad about rating down or flagging hubs because the bad ones hurt the good ones, as we have recently discovered. 
          
          I've had other Hubbers tell me they never rate hubs down or flag them, they just didn't feel right about it.  I'll bet they've changed their views on this now. 

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             Brie Hoffmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I'm sure they do and I am one of them   Actually, to tell you the truth, I've never even thought about it because I usually don't have the time to just hub hop...after reading the hubs I follow and writing my own that's about it.  But, due to this current situation and my awareness of the need for it I will definitely be doing it now.

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    CMHypnoposted 14 years ago

    Hey Izzy, some of us have been sleeping after a hard weekend hub hopping! But now awake and ready to spring back into action LOL! Found a really sick hub yesterday written by someone who tried to chop his own bits off! Not at all family friendly!

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       Peter Hogganposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Any guy that chops off his bits definitely won’t be family friendly anymore.

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       IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Missed that one! Glad you caught it

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          CMHypnoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          It was a bit of a sick puppy hub, written by some guy who reckoned that he had been wrongfully imprisoned for homosexual sex crimes, was abused in prison and then attempted a diy chop job. Harrowing story if true, but the graphic content not really suitable for HP (I had just had my Sunday lunch!)

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    IzzyMposted 14 years ago

    Surprise surprise - yahoomail is still up.
    What a horrible misleading hub, all those poor folk leaving messages thinking they had found a help-desk while the author and Hubpages laugh all the way to the bank!
    
    Even worse is the sites that have linked to it, no doubt mostly foreign, thinking that they were doing a public service.
    
    This is shameful HP.

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       ThomasEposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hm... well, I think the moderators might be a little busy at the moment. What with all the hub hopping... and it being the weekend... I flagged 400 hubs yesterday myself over the weekend.

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    Thrillerposted 14 years ago

    Well none of my Hubs tanked and I don't think Google has penalized HP as a whole, only the substandard Hubs, which shouldn't be seen as a penalty to the quality Hubs. As far as RedGage is concerned maybe Google indexes it quicker than HubPages and so it sees the RedGage article as original one and the Hub as copied. Maybe you should post the same article after your Hub has been indexed.

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       ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       The only people saying this are those who perhaps had no organic traffic to lose, chances are that if I only had a 10k traffic accolade and a portfolio of 19 hubs I wouldn't be noticing the effects either, as it happens I was getting 2 or 3 10k traffic accolades per day. In fact, I am still getting 1 and half 10k traffic accolades per day. If the traffic isn't there to lose then you won't lose it. A little like not caring if you lose your watch if it cost $20 but being very concerned about the safety of a solid gold rolex when walking down a dark alleyway.

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          Thrillerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Well some people are so dumb that they misjudge quantity for quality. They aren't ware of Hubbers like Misha who with just 21 Hubs rakes in far more than 2or 3 10K "accolades' a day And the biggest idiots are those who generalize their condition for everyone.

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             ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Of course I am aware of Misha raking in the accolades.
             
             What I am saying to you is that if you had a portfolio of 718 hubpages you would be feeling the hit too. Sure, most of my Hubpages are unaffected.
             
             But own a chain of 718 stores in the offline world and see 60 of those fail, you are likely to be feeling a hit much harder than a smaller chain of 19 which (through the law of averages) was lucky to escape without casualties.
             
             Trust me, with a 10k accolade after 10 months, you really had nothing to lose. What have you earnt so far? $30? $40? I was earning $80+ a day. If I were earning pennies a day I would probably be boasting that my fortune hadnt been eroded too. As it happens it looks like I will still be earning $40 a day.
             
             Comparing me to you is like comparing chalk and cheese. I would happily watch as you attempt to publicly tell Mark Knowles that his Hubs have zero quality? Go on, it would make me laugh.

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                Thrillerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                The problem with you is that you are bitter about criticism of your Hubs and you feel like taking it out on a forum. And did you notice how self-contradictory you are?
                
                If most of your Hubs were unaffected how did you fall from $80 to $40? Or if I for a moment agree that most were unaffected then only the high traffic ones which got you the max revenue took the hit. That means most of your other 'properties' were low value anyway.
                
                I only have admiration for Hubbers like Misha and Mark Knowles and Chuck irrespective of the number of Hubs they publish 'coz I learn something of value from their writing which is in stark contrast to my impression about some Hubbers who are so full of themselves that they can't realize the value of 19 Hubs or 10K accolades.

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                   ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   "I only have admiration for Hubbers like Misha and Mark Knowles and Chuck irrespective of the number of Hubs they publish 'coz I learn something of value from their writing"
                   
                   It is you who is being contradictory. You are saying that only low quality hubs are being hit, and then you have named two hubbers (Misha and Mark Knowles) who have been hit just as hard or possibly harder than me.
                   
                   So are criticising the quality of my hubs then? To be honest I didn't realise that you were using me as a case study, please feel free to be a little more specific in your criticism.
                   
                   Please explain how Mark Knowles and Misha have been hit on the basis of their quality hubs being low-quality? I am intriqued, what a great conundrum. I suspect that you won't be able to explain that, other than to admit that I am right in saying that you are wrong.
                   
                   How about Nelle Hoxie? And Sunforged? Have they lost traffic as a result of poor quality? Shall I run through an entire list of people who have been hit by this change? Would you be prepared to back up your claims with evidence of their poor quality produce?
                   
                   How about frogdropping? Once you have justified your wild claim I will provide you with more supposive "low quality" hubbers, then perhaps we have a real debate on our hands.

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                      Thrillerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Wow! You should take a moment to understand what you read before blurting out, Mr "Occasional" Genius. I said I like them for their writing, nothing about the traffic their Hubs are generating. And I did say all of them are great hubbers. Plz re-read
                      
                      As far as your case study is concerned I couldn't help it as you were so kind to disclose your figures. And your reply still doesn't clear the contradiction in your $80 to $40 slide reasoning.

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                         ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         You said:
                         
                         "I don't think Google has penalized HP as a whole, only the substandard Hubs"
                         
                         Now, please back this up with evidence, preferably using the portfolios of any established hubber.
                         
                         Tell me how you think that Me, Sunforged, Nelle Hoxie, Frogropping, Mark Knowles, Misha, or any other established hubber, has been penalized as a result of their substandard hubs.
                         
                         And, when you back up your claims with examples, we can all compare the Hubpages written by those hubbers with yours - perhaps then you can teach us to create "quality hubs"

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                            Thrillerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            I see you just can't fight you own battles so you've involved others. Ha ha. This still doesn't take away the fact that your reps are self-contradictory. And as you had assumed the 19 Hubs only make pennies then how come you agree 21 Hubs rake in the moolah?
                            
                            BTW I was right about Non-Aligned nations and Google Vs Facebook

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                               ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                               I would never assume that 19 hubs don't rake in the moolah, but any hubber who achieved the 10,000 page views accolade just 5 days ago after 10 months is not making substantial amounts of money. Anybody with 1 brain cell knows that. Happy with that answer?
                               
                               10 months is what, 300 days, so 10,000 / 300 = 33
                               
                               Average eCPM is something like $5.
                               
                               $5 / 1000 = $0.005.
                               
                               $0.005 x 33 = $0.165 per day on average since you joined the site.
                               
                               $0.165 x 300 = $49.50 in 10 months.
                               
                               Spend it wisely Money can be dangerous, especially when its enough to just about buy a gram of cocaine.

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                                  IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                  Is THAT how much a gram of coke is worth???
                                  
                                  I'm in the wrong job LOL

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                                     ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                     Well, more in the UK... at least $60.... probably $80 in London

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    Mark Ewbieposted 14 years ago

    On the plus side round here my hubs are total crap and I have only been hit as much as those who publish high wquality hubs.
    
    So it's a win-win as far as I'm concerned.
    
    Mark, c/o Retired GentleFolk Centre And Insane Asylum.

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    TPSicotteposted 14 years ago

    Actually Ryan I think your hubs are well written, well organized and informative. Many are on subjects I have an interest in. After two years I hope I have over 700 hubs here and I am making a few dollars in the process. No idea how people can judge quality without actually looking at some hubs. I know after 46 hubs there is no way I can judge spikes or dips in traffic. I just can't really tell yet. There's not  enough data..

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       ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Cheers, appreciate that, although you may be best served to concentrate some of those efforts on building up your own blog or two
       
       Many of us wish that a little more of our effort was concentrated in that direction.

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          TPSicotteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks for the tip. My plan is to do both. I really started writing hubs just to practice writing content for a website that will later provide me with revenue streams outside the usual affiliate approach. However, I am learning a lot about backlinking, keyword search, and just trying to write decent content. Since I started though it has become a bit of an addiction. I have never been an all my eggs in one basket kind of guy so I don't plan on starting now. Still, the hubpages community has been interesting and helpful so far.
          
          I guess a lot of hubbers will do what you are recommending if traffic really has fallen a lot but it must be hard to diversify once revenue starts to roll in from one source. Kinds like those lab rats with the feeder bar that don't stop once they find the formula that gets them what they want.

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    IzzyMposted 14 years ago

    RyanKett, don't feed the troll.

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    frogdroppingposted 14 years ago

    There may a chance my hubs are substandard huh? Damn my grammar school english literature teacher!

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       bgamallposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       What do frog droppings look like?

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          frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          <<<< Like that

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       Brie Hoffmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       LOL

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    JustMikeposted 14 years ago

    If it's any consolation the traffic seems to be coming back as of yesterday. I hope that's the case for everyone.

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       ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       That is normal for a Monday, weekends are always less busy.
       
       What we see today is what we can expect for a Monday from now on, expect next Saturday and Sunday to be much the same as the past two days.

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          ThomasEposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Might be even worse next Monday, they still haven't rolled out to the UK yet.

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             ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             It will be a few more weeks I suspect before they make it international.
             
             I really do not understand why they didn't do the testing and stuff in a smaller English speaking country, rather than completely alter the online industry in America overnight.
             
             I suspect that they didn't want to give people the chance to identify content which was about to collapse.

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          Spacey Graceyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Well that's a kicker coz I have had no Monday rebound - still falling at a rate of 100 views a day.
          
          Interesting times, if a little depressing.

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             ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Mine is on the up, but not at a particularly impressive rate, I will have to wait until 8am our time of course to confirm my traffic, but ultimately at very best it will match my pre-slap weekend traffic, probably less than that

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    Spacey Graceyposted 14 years ago

    Actually now I've thought about it some more, my two biggest traffic winners were nearing the end of their natural life anyway so the end has just been a bit more abrupt than I was expecting.
    
    I would be very happy to hang on to even half of what I was making before, so fingers crossed it stabilizes soon.

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       brandonhart100posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I've been waiting to delete my RG links not knowing what would happen with this.  Unfortunately, I think it may be time as they are having the opposite effect that I want from them.

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    melbelposted 14 years ago

    I am in the process of deleting my links on RedGage. They did little for me in the perspective of SEO even before Google changed their algorithm. I am deleting each link and severing my relationship with RedGage. I don't want the content that I make real money with (HubPages) to be tied to something that could be hurting my rankings in the search engine (RedGage.)
    
    Not ALL backlinks are good ones. Some backlinks have been known to be hurtful... such as link farms like RedGage.

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    Bard of Elyposted 14 years ago

    I find that RedGage is hardly worth my while posting at for the search engine results or pittance of an income! I still have hubs at the top of the Google search results!

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