Okay, I've Reached My FILL!
Hey Hubberville,
This rant probably isn't going to go over well and since I've been the most active poster in the forums in the history of the forums on Hubpages, I've reached MY fill.
Which means, Everyday I come to the forums and the negativity toward Hubpages is always ratcheted up a notch. It's completely ridiculous and uncalled for.
Hubpages is still a growing company and will run into things that need to be tweaked, so as to continue to be profitable in the future. Hubpages has, since I've been a member, always been on the side of the community and so far, I've not seen that change.
I have seen some changes that I don't like, but I have faith in Hubpages team, knowing what is best, in the long run for everyone involved and not just for a select few.
The bitterness toward those who participate in the "Elite" program, is absurd. I can understand teasing or playing around with someone about it, but to have the mentality that they are better than the average person is unfounded.
I know and understand some of the more veteran hubbers will most likely rip me a new one for this post, but then again, it's not really about them or me. We each have to do what it takes to make our hubs work and it's our individual effort to get results we want.
Now- since Google has begun it's roll out to the rest of the world, we shall see Hubpages rise back to the top position it held before Google's pathetic slap. Google was doing what is in it's best interest and to think that their profitability isn't controlling their actions, then you would be mistaken. Google is trying to clean up it's search engine so it can be more focused on direct searches lead to quality content. Satisfying the user is it's first priority, otherwise, other search engine will gain ground. Google doesn't want that and I would think that you don't want it either.
I saw a thread earlier on and I was appalled at the way the thread went. It was so sad to see the negative aspect seeping from it. Now, don't ask, because I'm not going to say which one. It's just really sad.
But, whatever you do from here on out- quit blaming Hubpages. It isn't all Hubpages fault to begin with. Straightening out loopholes, like allowing "duplicate" content, is now being prevented from publishing, it's a positive change. Hubpages Staff is doing everything they can. It appears that many people are abandoning Hubpages, because they are jumping too soon. It's a sad thing to see many are ripping down perfectly good hubs and hurting both, themselves and hubpages.
Okay, that's my rant. Take a deep breath.
I agree with you wholeheartedly! I have seen many changes and remain steadast with HubPages. I honestly cannot imagine being with any other site. Thank you for also pointing out the "Elite" program it is nice to know that you see us at the same level. I don't like many who are apart of the program believe we are any better then the next person. I to can breathe now. lololo
Maybe someone will talk to me now instead of running in fear. Always a pleasure to see you AEvans. Did you ever get a chance to publish your hubs about Hubbers for 2010? I remember you were doing one, but then again, maybe it's just my memory going.
Btw- I hope you're doing well.I am working on those and committed to get them posted. What an Easter gift. I fell apart for awhile and we lost my Uncle Mar 11th. They should be up in the next couple of days and I sincerely apologize for it taking so long.
Thanks for cking on those.I'm sorry to hear about your Uncle. My condolences.
But, I'm glad to hear you are writing, which is good. I find it as a releasing mechanism. It seems to help.
I have always assumed that the little e was given to people who have been helpful on the site. Never been concerned about it.
Thank you. I appreciate your input. I do hope things turn around on your work outside Hubpages. I've already stated why things will turn around on Hubpages.
I realize it is the immediate concern. I understand that. I understand the loss of income as well.
I am sorry to hear about the Ebay things. And, cannot really talk about it, because I cannot relate. I don't use it. I have adjusted my hubs according to the guidelines of Amazon. I have yet to branch out/expand to other sites or make my own.
But, again thank you.So true, Wayne, and we may find that we need to change the way we write on Hubpages to achieve income in the new setting. I have been working on setting up some of my hubs in new settings, and new articles related to them, and linking them back to Hubpages to drive traffic to related hubs here. In the end, it will be another way of diversifying which is a good thing, and most likely more income all the way around, but until then it is a good idea, to find new sources of income to replace what is gone.
BTW, I plan to pick your brain regarding ebooks soon.
Cagsil, I agree that the negativity has gotten out of hand here, but it is an emotional reaction to shock and dismay due to income loss.
This is something that we all need to understand.
Personally, I think the Google roll out in Europe will continue the downward traffic spiral to Hubpages, not improve it. Until Hubpages can convince Google that they have complied with whatever Google is slapping them for, we will not see a huge influx of traffic recovery sitewide. This is a long term fix, not a short term one.
Oh Cags Hubpages is a business. An Internet business.
Im sure they do a great job,but I work for them ,just like you do.
Dont you expect to be treated well for the work and effort you take.
I do.
Negativety is just one of mankinds quirky little characteristcis,dont you think?
I reach my fill once a week too
,then a nice comment or a great hub soothes out my ruffled feathers all over again.
P.S Sorry, there are no accolades for prolific posting.Yes, it's a business, just like you are an independent writer.
I don't work for Hubpages and to think that YOU do, goes to show your lack of knowledge on the topic of business.
Hubpages doesn't mistreat the members. And, to insinuate that Hubpages does is absurd.
I get it. I really do get it. But, the stupidity of constantly opening new threads on the same pathetic topic, when there are plenty of them already in existence, is completely ignorant action. Not to mention, it shows how lazy people have become.
That I don't doubt.
I don't care. You're apology is meaningless because it's made to mock. But, nice try.
I'm glad you said what you needed to say, Cags. I hope you feel better for having gotten that off your chest.
Most of the people jumping ship are those that rely on their online income to pay the bills. It's not a hobby for them, and they simply don't have the luxury of time to wait around publishing more hubs and hoping things will change quickly.My reasoning stems from Hubpages original position and strength on Google. Maybe that will help. Hubpages had so much juice on Google it's not even funny, before the slap. Minor adjustments have been made, such as "duplicate" content, as I said in the OP, cannot be published immediately anymore. Therefore, it is cleaning up Hubpages. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that once Google slaps the rest of the world, Hubpages will rise to it's previous held position. The only time it wouldn't happen, is if the changed made failed. Otherwise, things could be different, but I don't see that happening. Sorry.
I hope that clears it up.
Oh you are a brave lady
Well said btw.
Im still trying to figure out why Cags thought I needed to opologise to him.
Maybe just stepping away from the forums might clear any confusions.
Someone mentioned diversity UW? yep great advice. As much as I enjoy HP,I like $ more,lol
You think so too? Good. I thought it was just me
Not sure I'm one of those you're talking of (I don't think so TBH) but for me I gotta earn my bread away from HP right now. I've pretty much kept up where I can with the alterations. I deleted a few bits of rubbish, donated one to a friends website, unpublished a few whilst I work out what to do with them and that's about it.
Otherwise I'm real busy elsewhere, I have to be. Between me and wolves there's just me. I was doing well on HP, until the end of Feb, now I'm doing not so well. Like lrohner pointed out, for some of us working online is what we do, we don't have an alternative income.
I don't know who exactly has left the site or is in the process of doing so, what I do know is that some hubbers have experienced a huge income drop, so I'm figuring they're probably doing what I'm doing - trying to bridge the gap between what was and what no longer is
Edit: forgot to say I also went through my hubs and sorted out what fell outside the box re Amazon stuff. Or at least I think I got them all.Hey, I LOOOOVVEEE Hubpages. With the contest winnings and the new Hubpages Ad program, life is good! Of course, I use the money as supplemental income and to help pay medical bills, so it isn't our primary income source.
It's a free publishing platform and I get to earn money - I'm a happy camper! I'm a hopeless optimist, though.I understand what you're saying about the negativity, Cagsil, and I admit that I was on the "whoa is me" kick a bit today, too. It does suck that my budding traffic went down, but to be honest, I haven't done real SEO to help things either, so I suppose that would put much of the blame on me.
Would I recommend Hub Pages to anyone after this whole thing? Yes, and I do. It's a great community, I love the way the publishing tools are set up and there's a TON of good info here. Honestly, the only real drawbacks for me here are the religious and political forums. But that's easily fixed by not visiting them
Anyway, I think you've got the right idea on things. Stay positive. Hang in there. Encourage. Good things will come!I haven't read the threads in question, but opened one this morning, and read a few posts, and said, nah.. everyone knew it was coming. It's kind of like living in Florida during hurricane season, you know they're coming, so you move on with life and prepare just in case one hits.
In this case, we knew it was going to hit.
I'm just not a doom and gloom person. To blame HP is like some guy who just got laid off for no fault of his own, and blames his boss. Life happens, we do what we need to do.
Isn't there a saying about karma being a b#tc#?Let me see if I can clear up the sorted confusion-
(a) Hubpages had an advantage, it's juice and positioning.
(b) Google Slap on U.S. Market
(c) Hubpages drops.
(d) Hubpages makes adjustments(eliminate junk writing, duplicate and such - plus cleaning out it's own poor English written material)
(e) Google Slap on all English speaking Countries(more of these countries are more likely to use British English than U.S. English Citizens are used to dealing with)
(f) Hubpages rises back to it's original position.
Not difficult to follow.- open mouth insert foot , you made your point then just lost your subscribing followers to this thread. Anyone can speculate but I think you may have insulted some intelligence more than you realize your pretty good at that
Hubpages dropping further? I guess it would be a possibility, but think Hubpages Staff is more then equipped to handle the task at hand.
Hubpages quality content will rise on Google.com, which is America's marketplace, which again it what they(Google and Hubpages) are focused on.
Still not getting how you connect (e) and (f) - HP has lost traffic from the US and will now lose potentially paying traffic from the UK and Australia etc. I use Google.co.uk a lot and still find that US sites dominate the results - the type of English makes little difference, in my experience. Traffic from the rest of the world clicks ads, too
You will have to explain it in simple English, as I obviously don't have the benefit of your superior intellect.Now who's being ironic?
Oh lordy! Is this where we apply to be for browny points?!?
I think they should ban crack pipes in the forum... or maybe just limit the amount of time here.. sheesh.
So, who ACTUALLY saw the magic Google fairy that apparently slapped the rest of the English speaking countries. Peter and Wayne seem to be spot on. The Algorithm that hit HP has now been rolled out to the rest of the English speaking countries of which HP's slap expands.
I do appreciate the work for positive efforts, yet this reasoning of "oh, now the rest of these countries are now slapped HP rises"?? seriously.Hubpages quality content is what rises. Hubpages rises as the Quality of Content rises.
right.....
How bout google "expressions of gratitude" in the Google US and see the #1 site right now..The thing is Cag's, the best quality content is not showing on the top of search. Seems as though HP has a lot of cleaning to do and time to rise. It is much easier to rank anything at this point on a niche site focused on direct keywords.
Your reasoning is flawed to the point that this further rollout of Google to other English speaking countries is going to have any effect for the positive to Hubpages. Where HP's current status with Google as a content farm was not in effect on those search engines, i.e. google.co.uk. Now these changes are in effect. This has nothing to do with Google US search results and HP's slap will now be shown in the SERPS of the other search counties. I do wish HP the best though, I have and continue to learn much from hubbers and situations such as this one.
Not wishing to get into the big debate going on here as I am in two minds right now, but you might not have read this which should help if you haven't seen it: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot. … -goes.html
Maybe not a 'fairy' but still part of the Google Algorithm changes and worth reading.
- Motown2Chitownposted 12 years ago
0 ...hey, it's been a fun trip.
I don't do this for money.
It's pure entertainment and a way to express ones deepest feelings about whatever he/she hubs about.
It's catharsis, pure and simple.
I've been here going on 2 yrs and have accepted "hubpages" for exactly what it is: a place where folks can meet, chat, write, express themselves, maybe learn a litle something and enjoy the comaraderie of others who share whatever it is that brings folks like us together.
We certainly don't agree on everything but we still, in most cases, get along and share the "better side" of being human in thought and words.
I find "THAT", for me, to be a very joyful, meaningful experience.
I am truly empathetic to Cags concerns!
I just pulled kleenex outa the box and wiped a tear off each cheek!
Cags, my brother, we all feel your pain!
Hang in there Bro! It'll all workout in the end!...sniff....
Qwark
I'll sleep better now! G'nite all.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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