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   Cagsilposted 14 years ago

   Hey Hubberville,
   
   This rant probably isn't going to go over well and since I've been the most active poster in the forums in the history of the forums on Hubpages, I've reached MY fill.
   
   Which means, Everyday I come to the forums and the negativity toward Hubpages is always ratcheted up a notch. It's completely ridiculous and uncalled for.
   
   Hubpages is still a growing company and will run into things that need to be tweaked, so as to continue to be profitable in the future. Hubpages has, since I've been a member, always been on the side of the community and so far, I've not seen that change.
   
   I have seen some changes that I don't like, but I have faith in Hubpages team, knowing what is best, in the long run for everyone involved and not just for a select few.
   
   The bitterness toward those who participate in the "Elite" program, is absurd. I can understand teasing or playing around with someone about it, but to have the mentality that they are better than the average person is unfounded.
   
   I know and understand some of the more veteran hubbers will most likely rip me a new one for this post, but then again, it's not really about them or me. We each have to do what it takes to make our hubs work and it's our individual effort to get results we want.
   
   Now- since Google has begun it's roll out to the rest of the world, we shall see Hubpages rise back to the top position it held before Google's pathetic slap. Google was doing what is in it's best interest and to think that their profitability isn't controlling their actions, then you would be mistaken. Google is trying to clean up it's search engine so it can be more focused on direct searches lead to quality content. Satisfying the user is it's first priority, otherwise, other search engine will gain ground. Google doesn't want that and I would think that you don't want it either.
   
   I saw a thread earlier on and I was appalled at the way the thread went. It was so sad to see the negative aspect seeping from it. Now, don't ask, because I'm not going to say which one. It's just really sad.
   
   But, whatever you do from here on out- quit blaming Hubpages. It isn't all Hubpages fault to begin with. Straightening out loopholes, like allowing "duplicate" content, is now being prevented from publishing, it's a positive change. Hubpages Staff is doing everything they can. It appears that many people are abandoning Hubpages, because they are jumping too soon. It's a sad thing to see many are ripping down perfectly good hubs and hurting both, themselves and hubpages.
   
   Okay, that's my rant. Take a deep breath.

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      tritrainposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I agree.
      
      We can all band together and help HubPages recover and be stronger and better positioned than before.
      
      Make helpful, positive suggestions instead of complaining as much.
      
      Start HubHopping and flag the bad stuff.
      
      Comment on Hubs, especially the new, quality Hubs.
      
      Rate the good Hubs!  Get the quality Hubs to the top and bury the bad Hubs.
      
      Welcome new Hubbers and help and encourage them.

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         Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I do that everytime I sign into Hubpages. I participate.
         
         To be honest though ,Id still rather be earning $10 an hour than 2c-if ya get my drift.

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            tritrainposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Very true. 

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      AEvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with you wholeheartedly! I have seen many changes and remain steadast with HubPages. I honestly cannot imagine being with any other site. Thank you for also pointing out the "Elite" program it is nice to know that you see us at the same level. I don't like many who are apart of the program believe we are any better then the next person. I to can breathe now. lololo Maybe someone will talk to me now instead of running in fear.

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         Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Always a pleasure to see you AEvans. Did you ever get a chance to publish your hubs about Hubbers for 2010? I remember you were doing one, but then again, maybe it's just my memory going.
         
         Btw- I hope you're doing well.

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            AEvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I am working on those and committed to get them posted. What an Easter gift. I fell apart for awhile and we lost my Uncle Mar 11th. They should be up in the next couple of days and I sincerely apologize for it taking so long. Thanks for cking on those.

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               Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I'm sorry to hear about your Uncle. My condolences. But, I'm glad to hear you are writing, which is good. I find it as a releasing mechanism. It seems to help.

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                  AEvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I finally came to my senses and it certainly does help.

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               nell79posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I'm sorry to hear about your uncle. You have my sympathies. Loss can be hard and throw you off a bit. I've had that this year as well, and am only starting to get back on track. Glad to see you're doing the same

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I have always assumed that the little e was given to people who have been helpful on the site. Never been concerned about it.

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            Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Same I kinda thought they were like 'monitors' we used to have in school, but I figured out I could always get to the 'Gym room' faster(for the basketballs) so loved not being chosen -hehe

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      lakeerieartistsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I understand why you are upset about the negativity, but the truth is that for people who were making a lot of money from Hubpages, to have it drop down to 50% or less than what it was, can seriously throw them out on the street. 
      
      What you see as negativity, I see as panic or a cry for help to regain their livelihood.
      
      In my case, my earnings go straight towards paying the rent on my gallery, and although I am still earning some, my Ebay income has all but dried up, and with the new TOS on how many items we can have in each capsule or on each hub, the text to Ebay item ratio does not seem to be working to sell the items to the traffic that I am getting.
      
      That means I can lose my Ebay account if the sales traffic does not pick up.  So I must move my hub content to benefit by the hard work I have done.
      
      The move for me is creating websites to take the work that I did last year and move it where I can expand the pages the way I want.  This is extra work for me, and means that I am doing several things twice and three times, to fix hubs for the new TOS, to create websites, and rewrite hubs, and move them, and to figure out how to drive traffic to the existing hubs to get the traffic to increase.
      
      All of this is not paying me a dime right now, so I can totally understand the need to find an income now that is currently permeating the forums.
      
      I agree that Hubpages is a great place to write, and I believe that the staff are working their buns off to improve the site's standing, but I also think it will be a while before we see any tangible results.
      
      Therefore, I need to act accordingly to find income that I have lost.
      
      This is the reality.  And it is a scary one.  That is where the negativity is coming from.

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         Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you. I appreciate your input. I do hope things turn around on your work outside Hubpages. I've already stated why things will turn around on Hubpages.
         
         I realize it is the immediate concern. I understand that. I understand the loss of income as well.
         
         I am sorry to hear about the Ebay things. And, cannot really talk about it, because I cannot relate. I don't use it. I have adjusted my hubs according to the guidelines of Amazon. I have yet to branch out/expand to other sites or make my own.
         
         But, again thank you.

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         waynetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I certainly agree with that!
         
         That's why I'm focusing on my own sites for a full year until all of this recovers at Hubpages and that's pretty much what other smart people are doing. The key is to try and salvage something, but retain your best work here and take your fallen traffic content elsewhere to try and do Something at least.
         
         There's no negativity in trying to earn money and make use of hard worked content.
         
         Most of the hubs I've had unpublished because of the new policies have found a new home on my new sites...

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            lakeerieartistsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            So true, Wayne, and we may find that we need to change the way we write on Hubpages to achieve income in the new setting.  I have been working on setting up some of my hubs in new settings, and new articles related to them, and linking them back to Hubpages to drive traffic to related hubs here.  In the end, it will be another way of diversifying which is a good thing, and most likely more income all the way around, but until then it is a good idea, to find new sources of income to replace what is gone.
            
            BTW, I plan to pick your brain regarding ebooks soon. 
            
            Cagsil, I agree that the negativity has gotten out of hand here, but it is an emotional reaction to shock and dismay due to income loss.
            
            This is something that we all need to understand.
            
            Personally, I think the Google roll out in Europe will continue the downward traffic spiral to Hubpages, not improve it.  Until Hubpages can convince Google that they have complied with whatever Google is slapping them for, we will not see a huge influx of traffic recovery sitewide.  This is a long term fix, not a short term one.

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   Reality Bytesposted 14 years ago

   Although I have seen a drop in traffic, I am still earning through adsense.  If it was not for HP I probably would have never started writing to begin with.
   
   I am sticking with the site that has helped me to find a new path in life.

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   Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago

   Oh Cags Hubpages is a business. An Internet business.
   
   Im sure they do a great job,but I work for them ,just like you do.
   
   Dont you expect to be treated well for the work and effort you take.
   
   I do.
   
   Negativety is just one of mankinds quirky little characteristcis,dont you think?
   
   I reach my fill once a week too ,then a nice comment or a great hub soothes out my ruffled feathers all over again.
   
   
   P.S Sorry, there are no accolades for prolific posting.

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, it's a business, just like you are an independent writer.
      I don't work for Hubpages and to think that YOU do, goes to show your lack of knowledge on the topic of business.
      Hubpages doesn't mistreat the members. And, to insinuate that Hubpages does is absurd.
      I get it. I really do get it. But, the stupidity of constantly opening new threads on the same pathetic topic, when there are plenty of them already in existence, is completely ignorant action. Not to mention, it shows how lazy people have become.
      That I don't doubt.
      I don't care. You're apology is meaningless because it's made to mock. But, nice try.

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         Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Boy you complain about negativety then chew my ass

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      relacheposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Actually you don't work for HubPages.  None of "us" do, outside of the actual staff. 
      
      You are a person who has chosen to accept their terms of service to use their website and the products they create.

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         Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Yea Cags was quick to point that out to me.
         
         I guess I should have worded it differently.
         
         I share (well not evenly) revenue.
         
         Better
         
         Most people knew what I meant.

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   lrohnerposted 14 years ago

   I'm glad you said what you needed to say, Cags. I hope you feel better for having gotten that off your chest.
   
   Most of the people jumping ship are those that rely on their online income to pay the bills. It's not a hobby for them, and they simply don't have the luxury of time to wait around publishing more hubs and hoping things will change quickly.

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, yes I do. Writing is a release for me now. I've 4 hubs in the works, because of recent events in the forums and world events happening.
      I understand that Irohner. I truly do, but to remove positive proven hubs before the rest of the world gets slapped, is crazy. I can see expanding the portfolio to other sites or self made sites, but to completely leave, is jumping too soon.
      It's not about hoping. It's about waiting for Google to make it's next move, which it has. It has begun to slap the rest of the world. When it's completed, I am of the mind that Hubpages will be in a better position. That's all.

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         Sophia Angeliqueposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I don't get your reasoning. If the same logarithm is run for the rest of the world, why does it mean that American figures will change. Generally, British most sites don't show up in co.uk or co.za. or co.nz, or co.ca, etc. Yes, a few do - those that register to be particularly picked up by the USA. it also works visa versa. Our sites aren't going to get any better traffic because the British bad stuff is off now. Those British sites weren't showing up in the USA anyway.

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            Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            My reasoning stems from Hubpages original position and strength on Google. Maybe that will help. Hubpages had so much juice on Google it's not even funny, before the slap. Minor adjustments have been made, such as "duplicate" content, as I said in the OP, cannot be published immediately anymore. Therefore, it is cleaning up Hubpages. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that once Google slaps the rest of the world, Hubpages will rise to it's previous held position. The only time it wouldn't happen, is if the changed made failed. Otherwise, things could be different, but I don't see that happening. Sorry.
            
            I hope that clears it up.

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               Sophia Angeliqueposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               No, I don't understand. How does the fact that Google slaps the rest of the world make a difference to Google in America?
               
               Please can you explain the technicalities to me - not HubPage policies. I am sure that HubPages is doing the best it can. However, I don't see how the fact that google has slaps the rest of the world makes any difference to ranking in America. Unless, you're erroneously assuming that all the American problems stemmed from problems overseas - which it hasn't.

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                  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Well, I guess you have more to learn about the Internet. The Internet is the Internet, regardless of where you are.
                  
                  Hubpages' focus is on America's marketplace. It's the same thing every hubber should know and understand. It has nothing to do with Global Marketplace.
                  
                  When Google slaps all other English speaking countries, which of 80% or more isn't fluent in the written language, then Hubpages content will rise. A lot of the problem is quality content, which Hubpages has many people who don't understand how to write in English.
                  
                  Google slap is on that type of content, as well as, duplicate content, which Hubpages has put into place effective protection to prevent it from being published.
                  
                  So, it stands to reason that Hubpages will without a doubt rebound, and back to it's previous position.

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                     Sophia Angeliqueposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Cagsil, no offence meant, but someone should teach you someday that you do NOT know more than other people. It is precisely because I know how the internet works (been online since late 1994) that I know you're talking poppycock. 99% of the 'bad English' is coming from the 85% of Americans who are, according to various literacy organisations in America, semi-literate. In other words, Hub pages ranking is NOT going to improve because Google now slapped every other English speaking nation. Hub Page ranking will gradually climb as a result of two things: a) Hub pages getting a good formula b) google readjusting to include content farms again.
                     
                     One more thing, Cag. All the time I ask you questions is to try and get you to see how faulty your reasoning is. I'm not asking you because you have anything to teach me, but because there is a flaw in your reasoning. I asked you for a technical reason for why Hub pages would now go to the top. You haven't been able to.
                     
                     I'm asking you how you arrived at your conclusion because it's inaccurate, not because I agree with you or think you know something that I don't.

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                        Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Oh you are a brave lady
                        
                        Well said btw.
                        
                        Im still trying to figure out why Cags thought I needed to opologise to him.
                        
                        Maybe just stepping away from the forums might clear any confusions.
                        
                        
                        Someone mentioned diversity UW? yep great advice. As much as I enjoy HP,I like $ more,lol

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                     IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     This doesn't make any sense to me.

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                        EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        You think so too?  Good.  I thought it was just me

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                           waynetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           And sadly me too! I re-read it a few times and I still don't understand it!
                           
                           I'll be going to sleep in a minute still trying to work out what was said...cheers for that Cags!

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                     Sufidreamerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Was that meant to be ironic?

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                  Peter Hogganposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  HPs had maintained its positions in search engines like google.co.uk until the Panda Update was rolled out to countries other than the US. Now that it has hit the UK and other English speaking countries, HPs rankings have tumbled and you will see less traffic coming from the UK etc.

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   frogdroppingposted 14 years ago

   Not sure I'm one of those you're talking of (I don't think so TBH) but for me I gotta earn my bread away from HP right now. I've pretty much kept up where I can with the alterations. I deleted a few bits of rubbish, donated one to a friends website, unpublished a few whilst I work out what to do with them and that's about it.
   
   Otherwise I'm real busy elsewhere, I have to be. Between me and wolves there's just me. I was doing well on HP, until the end of Feb, now I'm doing not so well. Like lrohner pointed out, for some of us working online is what we do, we don't have an alternative income.
   
   I don't know who exactly has left the site or is in the process of doing so, what I do know is that some hubbers have experienced a huge income drop, so I'm figuring they're probably doing what I'm doing - trying to bridge the gap between what was and what no longer is
   
   Edit: forgot to say I also went through my hubs and sorted out what fell outside the box re Amazon stuff. Or at least I think I got them all.

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I can understand what you're saying Frog. Personally, I think Google waiting too long to slap other markets in other countries. That caused the drop in revenue. Expanding to other places, which you are doing is a good thing. Many are doing the adjustments they think they need and leaving their hubs, just like you.
      
      There are some who are throwing in the towel too early. Then, those who are new come into the community and see the negativity in the forums, and choose not to write anything at all, because they would get to thinking that it wouldn't be worth the time. That's an awful perspective/perception to give to new people.
      
      I wasn't directing this at anyone in particular. It was at the whole community, because almost 1 out 3, has something negative to complain about. The level of ignorance floating around the forums is absurd. People opening threads that are already running, just a slightly differently worded OP.

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   leahleflerposted 14 years ago

   Hey, I LOOOOVVEEE Hubpages. With the contest winnings and the new Hubpages Ad program, life is good! Of course, I use the money as supplemental income and to help pay medical bills, so it isn't our primary income source.
   
   It's a free publishing platform and I get to earn money - I'm a happy camper! I'm a hopeless optimist, though.

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you Leahlefler. I appreciate the input.

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   nell79posted 14 years ago

   I understand what you're saying about the negativity, Cagsil, and I admit that I was on the "whoa is me" kick a bit today, too. It does suck that my budding traffic went down, but to be honest, I haven't done  real SEO to help things either, so I suppose that would put much of the blame on me.
   
   Would I recommend Hub Pages to anyone after this whole thing? Yes, and I do. It's a great community, I love the way the publishing tools are set up and there's a TON of good info here. Honestly, the only real drawbacks for me here are the religious and political forums. But that's easily fixed by not visiting them
   
   Anyway, I think you've got the right idea on things. Stay positive. Hang in there. Encourage. Good things will come!

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you kindly Nell. I appreciate your input.

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   rebekahELLEposted 14 years ago

   I haven't read the threads in question, but opened one this morning, and read a few posts, and said, nah.. everyone knew it was coming. It's kind of like living in Florida during hurricane season, you know they're coming, so you move on with life and prepare just in case one hits.
   In this case, we knew it was going to hit.
   I'm just not a doom and gloom person. To blame HP is like some guy who just got laid off for no fault of his own, and blames his boss.   Life happens, we do what we need to do.
   
   Isn't there a saying about karma being a b#tc#?

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you Rebekah. Always nice to see you. Hope your well and appreciate your input.

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   Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

   This whole think is just a reminder to not put all your eggs in one basket. Our own sites are the best way to go in the long run. Diversification is the key, that is why I belong to at least a dozen writing sites.
   
   I've been around to see writing sites come and go, no one is immune.
   
   That is why I will continue to support Hubpages, it is one of the best out there. We can earn money yet we can take our articles and sell them, make an ebook out of them, do whatever we want with them. Many many people have gotten jobs due to their hubs. Unlike places like Helium that pay so little yet not let you remove your articles...unless you jump through the hoops they keep changing.

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you UW. It is nice to see you in the forums.

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    Cagsilposted 14 years ago

    Let me see if I can clear up the sorted confusion-
    
    (a) Hubpages had an advantage, it's juice and positioning.
    (b) Google Slap on U.S. Market
    (c) Hubpages drops.
    (d) Hubpages makes adjustments(eliminate junk writing, duplicate and such - plus cleaning out it's own poor English written material)
    (e) Google Slap on all English speaking Countries(more of these countries are more likely to use British English than U.S. English Citizens are used to dealing with)
    (f) Hubpages rises back to it's original position.
    
    Not difficult to follow.

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       EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Google isn't slapping countries, it's slapping particular types of site - i.e. content farms, of which Hub Pages is an example.  (Sorry, but it is - it may be better than some content farms out there, but it is a content farm.)
       
       The people who post articles to content farms can come from any country in the world.

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          Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Yep just BigDaddy keeping all the kiddies in line and counting the Benjie's lol

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          Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Says you- But, others wouldn't agree.
          
          
          
          See above comment. This means, you'll get more traffic from America's marketplace. Which is what you want to begin with.

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             EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Let me explain.
             
             The "hitting" that Peter refers to is the fact that google.co.uk, google.com.au etc. have had their algorithms changed, in line with the algorithm change that occurred with the US version, google.com, over a month ago. 
             
             US traffic dropped over a month ago as a result of the algo change to google.com, now traffic from the UK, Australia etc. has also dropped as a result of the algo changes to google.co.uk etc.
             
             It has nothing to do with the nationality of individual writers/webmasters.

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       WoodsmensPostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       open mouth insert foot , you made your point then just lost your subscribing followers to this thread. Anyone can speculate but I think you may have insulted some intelligence more than you realize your pretty good at that

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          Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          
          
          
          Edit: I'm not trying to insult anyone.

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             Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             No you dont have to try

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                Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Yeah, I know. People are too thin-skinned.

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                   Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Cags clearly you have not had your fill
                   
                   Sorry I dont agree with points you made earlier ,but Im harmless really.

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                      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Harmless. You would be correct.

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       waynetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       You forgot the part where hubpages drops even further after this global slap and takes a long while to get back on top!

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          Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Hubpages dropping further? I guess it would be a possibility, but think Hubpages Staff is more then equipped to handle the task at hand.
          
          Hubpages quality content will rise on Google.com, which is America's marketplace, which again it what they(Google and Hubpages) are focused on.
          
          

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       Sufidreamerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Still not getting how you connect (e) and (f) - HP has lost traffic from the US and will now lose potentially paying traffic from the UK and Australia etc. I use Google.co.uk a lot and still find that US sites dominate the results - the type of English makes little difference, in my experience. Traffic from the rest of the world clicks ads, too
       
       You will have to explain it in simple English, as I obviously don't have the benefit of your superior intellect.

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          EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Now who's being ironic?

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          Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          You don't see how Hubpages traffic for the U.S. will increase, when the rest of the slap is completed. Other places online similar to Hubpages or "classified" as the same, many outside America, didn't get trashed, like those in the U.S.
          
          Why? Because Google didn't slap them yet. That was the whole reason Hubpages dropped to begin with. All the junk from the rest of the Internet has dominated the search engines. And, Google was able to identify where it could direct it's slap.
          
          Apparently, as many other people have already said- Google is slapping English speaking countries. It's those countries that maintain the servers for the writers of said host country.
          
          Language can be a factor of it's Slap and to think it wouldn't, denies an open mind. Google can do whatever it feels is necessary to maintain it's position as #1 Search Engine. If it wants it's content to be English speaking as a primary result for searching, for higher ranking, then it wouldn't surprise me.
          
          The U.S. is or has, passed that English is America's Language. Up to recently, it wasn't actually the case.

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             Peter Hogganposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             This is not the case, the current change does not affect rankings that HP, or any other site, currently hold in the US, but it does effect their rankings elsewhere. US rankings remain 'as is' while the rest drops. The end result will lower rankings for HP globaly and less trafic in total to HP, not more.

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                Will Apseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                I should check the official posting on Google Webmasters. There is reference to a new long tail search change in the US affecting 2 per cent of searches. This could be very significant for a site like this.
                
                'The impact of these new signals is smaller in scope than the original change: about 2% of U.S. queries are affected by a reasonable amount, compared with almost 12% of U.S. queries for the original change.'
                
                http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot. … -goes.html

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                   Peter Hogganposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   I was talking about the impact of rolling out Panda to the rest of the world and how that would negatively affect current HP rankings and traffic rather than increase them. Also, if long tail searches worldwide are going to be effected, this would affect HP traffic in the exact same way as explained in my last post.

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             EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Are you for real?
             
             Google isn't "slapping countries".  It's slapping particular types of site.

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    Stevennix2001posted 14 years ago

    Well after reading all the posts on here, I can see the logic in both sides of this argument here.  However, the main thing I think people on hubpages should be focusing on is that more than likely this downward spiral is only a temporary setback to hubpages, and things are bound to pick up soon.  Granted, I'm not exactly a fan of some of the changes made here, as some of it is kind of subjective.  However, I also understand that it's for the best, and we'll just have to see how it plays out.

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    Aware1posted 14 years ago

    Oh lordy! Is this where we apply to be for browny points?!?
    
    
    I think they should ban crack pipes in the forum... or maybe just limit the amount of time here.. sheesh.
    
    So, who ACTUALLY saw the magic Google fairy that apparently slapped the rest of the English speaking countries. Peter and Wayne seem to be spot on. The Algorithm that hit HP has now been rolled out to the rest of the English speaking countries of which HP's slap expands.
    
    I do appreciate the work for positive efforts, yet this reasoning of "oh, now the rest of these countries are now slapped HP rises"??   seriously.

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       Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       ahem -sorry

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       Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hubpages quality content is what rises. Hubpages rises as the Quality of Content rises.

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          Aware1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          right..... 
          
          How bout google "expressions of gratitude" in the Google US and see the #1 site right now..The thing is Cag's, the best quality content is not showing on the top of search. Seems as though HP has a lot of cleaning to do and time to rise. It is much easier to rank anything at this point on a niche site focused on direct keywords.
          
          Your reasoning is flawed to the point that this further rollout of Google to other English speaking countries is going to have any effect for the positive to Hubpages. Where HP's current status with Google as a content farm was not in effect on those search engines, i.e. google.co.uk. Now these changes are in effect. This has nothing to do with Google US search results and HP's slap will now be shown in the SERPS of the other search counties. I do wish HP the best though, I have and continue to learn much from hubbers and situations such as this one.

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             Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Oh, okay. Then, I guess, I'll just wait and see what the outcome brings. But, my rant wasn't only about HP's standing, but it appears as if that's all people are interested in talking about.
             
             So, with that said- Enjoy.

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       mistyhorizon2003posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Not wishing to get into the big debate going on here as I am in two minds right now, but you might not have read this which should help if you haven't seen it: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot. … -goes.html
       
       Maybe not a 'fairy' but still part of the Google Algorithm changes and worth reading.
       
       

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    Motown2Chitownposted 14 years ago

    Okay, I may regret not reading through the entire thread before posting this response, but I have to agree with you completely, Cags.  As a fairly new hubber, and someone who's been through a zillion changes in almost every area of life, I have to say this.  Complaining about stuff rarely accomplishes anything except to get others to jump on the bandwagon to complain with you.  What I've found to be best during changes such as this is to take the advice you're given.  Make better what you can, get rid of what doesn't meet the appropriate standards, and strive to keep writing good content.  It'll all come out in the wash eventually, and the dust will settle.  No sense complaining while the dust is still swirling, in my opinion.  You just wind up getting dust in your mouth.
    
    That's my two cents.  And, I personally think you're completely on target here.

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    Will Apseposted 14 years ago

    The sad thing is that people who react by lashing out- whether they are lashing out at Google or Hubpages- are not thinking straight and cannot learn the lessons they need to fix the problems.
    
    Sulking and calling for boycotts on Google etc, etc is not going to bring in the dollars.

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    recommend1posted 14 years ago

    @Cagsil - "When Google slaps all other English speaking countries, which of 80% or more isn't fluent in the written language, then Hubpages content will rise. A lot of the problem is quality content, which Hubpages has many people who don't understand how to write in English."
    
    Kinda says it all really.
    
    In your OP You are mistaking criticism with negativity - never mind that your reasoning does not hold up, wishing for a better outcome is OK, but facts do not point that way as you claim.
    
    The bulk of what is poor quality is not the second language hubs, which are easy enough to read in the main and which I find to be typically full of interesting and well researched stuff.  It is the HP bread and butter of product hubs that are well researched, beautifully laid out and exactly the same as thousands of other hubs for the same products.
    
    The 'negativity' you point up is mostly the logical consequence of reduced earnings, people go to sites that fare better, pay better. 
    
    The issues here are not being dealt with very well by HP staff, there is no clear leadership on what is needed, no clear and detailed list of changes, no frequent visits to these forums while thread after thread is asking for help and getting a confusing mixed response from fellow hubbers. In fact Maddie complained because she had to come here twice and repeat herself about one item !
    
    You may have missed PearlDivers thread about copied HP hubs, he followed all the leads, got the site taken down then found it again when it went back up - then in the middle of providing us with loads of info about whose hubs have been copied and the site information etc he got banned for 3 days just as he was about to reveal the HUBBERS who are part of this copying scam !
    
    I personally quite like this site and the general way things have been dealt with - but clearly HP got complacent in allowing any material here just to fatten the site up, they did not do their homework including making an aims and goals model, they knee-jerk reacted to the Google changes that found too many skeletons in the HP closet, such as the blind eye turned to duplicate content on this site, no quality procedure or quality scheme.
    
    There has not been any personal 'slap' from Google - the new algorithms have just found out what a garbage bin HP has become - and now we are left picking through the rubbish for the scraps of good stuff.
    
    You are confusing confusion and panic with negativity.

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       Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I agree with you 100%.

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    donotfearposted 14 years ago

    Here, here,........
    
    I second this post!
    (The original by cagsil)

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    qwarkposted 14 years ago

    ...hey, it's been a fun trip.
    
    I don't do this for money.
    
    It's pure entertainment and a way to express ones deepest feelings about whatever he/she hubs about.
    
    It's catharsis, pure and simple.
    
    I've been here going on 2 yrs and have accepted "hubpages" for exactly what it is: a place where folks can meet, chat, write, express themselves, maybe learn a litle something and enjoy the comaraderie of others who share whatever it is that brings folks like us together.
    We certainly don't agree on everything but we still, in most cases, get along and share the "better side" of being human in thought and words.
    I find "THAT", for me, to be a very joyful, meaningful experience.
    I am truly empathetic to Cags concerns!
    I just pulled kleenex outa the box and wiped a tear off each  cheek!
    Cags, my brother, we all feel your pain!
    Hang in there Bro! It'll all workout in the end!...sniff....
    
    Qwark 
    
    I'll sleep better now! G'nite all.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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    LeanManposted 14 years ago

    Hi cags, nice rant, I have to agree with a lot of it....
    
    I think pages with good relevant content that is well linked will rise back in google... after all isn't that what they want?
    
    HP has an "unfair" advantage over many other sites in that its internal linking structure makes each page gain tens if not hundreds of links, if google has devalued these internal links as some have suggested then that is not such a bad thing as it has happened on other sites also.... when this all settles down I am sure that with a good backlinking strategy anyone will be able to get a page to rank just as well as they could before - but I think the "free ride" that everyone had on the back of HP and other large sites will be over.
    
    The backlinking that everyone does is to be honest an attempt to fool Google etc that their work is more important than it really is - but the system is so full of people gaming the system that it is almost impossible to find a fair way to clear it up!
    
    My main competitors for some of my keywords had gained thousands of links for their sites/pages and were quite frankly useless and did not deserve their positions in the serps - most have now vanished from sight! I really do hope that this change and future ones do focus on giving the google customer what they want in the way of real quality!
    
    As to people losing too much income, if their content is good then it should recover.. but the old saying about eggs and baskets very much applies here..
    
    I will persevere with HP but I will also be developing my own web real estate! I certainly will not be removing anything from here - it is already linked, aged, etc... if nothing else it will provide a good platform to provide links to my own sites..

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    Peter Hogganposted 14 years ago

    
    
    It might also be an attempt to get traffic to quality content by legitimate businesses and authors. Not EVERYONE goes out to game Google; instead we are forced into playing the game under Google’s rules. Especially if sales, opt-ins or AdSense clicks are important.

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    tlpoagueposted 14 years ago

    Dear Cags,
    I am sorry that you have had your fill, but think you are doing a great job here at HP helping newbies like me. Yes, my status shows that I have been a member for 20 months, but in reality, I have only started writing at a steady pace since August of 2010.
    At first, I joined to make a quick buck, but soon realized that my writing style wasn't a quick money maker. Once I scrapped that idea, I focused on improving my writing vs. the dollar. Occasionally I will whip out an informative hub, but mostly stuck with creative writing. Imagine my surprise to see that March was my best pay-out amidst the changes and confusions. Frankly, I thought I wouldn't be able to hold my own here with my writing style.
    I post on another forum, (which is unusual for me because I may read them, but don't remark.) that I am grateful for the hard work HP has done to make this a better writing community. Throughout all of the issues I have had, my questions have been answered in a timely manner, and people have been very helpful. Granted it may be awhile before the cream rises to the top, but with a little time and patience, I am sure things will work out.
    I live in a small town, so when I tell people I am a writer on HP, they are impressed. To me, it is no different than being an author of a book, (other than the income) and it give me a chance to improve in the areas I am weak at.
    In January, I posted a hub called Live Chat on HubPages, thinking that maybe having a live chat in the forums would be helpful. But, after reading a few of the posts here, I think it would have done more harm than good. People will always be upset about something, no matter how hard others try to fix it or help. My husband had a saying he used often, but I found that by posting it, caused more chaos than getting others to understand the importance of patience in the face of change and chaos.
    Mainly, my rambling is this...Don't let it all get to you. There are a few of us out there that may not always agree with the changes, but support and appreciate the hard work you are doing. I am still that newbie, and always will be, that will be looking for help. I would hate to see other helpful hubbers leaving over being weighted down by the rantings or venting of others.
    I am proud to say that I am a writer of HubPages and an addict. Keep up the good work!

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