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Waiting For HP's Announcement On Amazon Affliliate Program

  1. SunSeven profile image62
    SunSevenposted 6 years ago

    With regard to Amazon's cancellation of California affiliates, will HP continue to let hubbers who live in other places earn from that affiliate program by keeping the Amazon capsules on already existing hubs or will you do away with it altogether and bring in alternative revenue streams?

    ebay ditched us - its impossible to get a new ebay account through HP
    Adsense is down - For all hubbers and HP
    Kontera is gone - It was never a favorite earner for anyone here, perhaps, except me.
    Now Amazon - ???
    HP Ads - The forcasted revenue after introducing Bing ads failed to materialize. Moreover, the CPM is on a downward trend, if not swinging wildly.
    Traffic - For me, its on an upward swing for the last couple of weeks. Thats why I didn't volunteer for the subdomain effort. And also, I was conscious about pagerank loss.

    How are we going to cross the Arctic?

    Thanks in advance for your reply smile .

    Best Regards

    1. Camping with Kids profile image77
      Camping with Kidsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think HP will keep the Amazon capsules, for now, because the restrictions are "state-specific"  and I'm sure there is still a profitable number of Amazon affiliates from non-affected locations using the caps.

      Gus

      ps Probably still wise to get another basket for some of those affiliate eggs

      1. EmpressFelicity profile image79
        EmpressFelicityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I hope so. I don't see the point in keeping my sales hubs here otherwise.

        1. Anamika S profile image68
          Anamika Sposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, I will consider moving my 75+ Sales Hubs from here too in case HubPages disables Amazon Capsules.

  2. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    HP hasn't announced Amazon Affiliate Program being stripped by other affiliates in other states. What makes you think it would announce California?

    1. IzzyM profile image88
      IzzyMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Because it didn't affect them until it hit California. HP are based in California, so have they lost their account or not? If they have, what is the future of HP? Are they still viable as a website? This is as big a blow as Panda for a site like HP.

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        HP is an affiliate also, so they will lose their account also. Only makes sense.
        Apparently, HP will have to adapt/change, in order to offer writers other choices.
        Sure, why not.

        1. IzzyM profile image88
          IzzyMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          At least half of my daily earnings come from Amazon. If we then assume HP to be the same, then that is a massive hit in income.

          1. Mrvoodoo profile image60
            Mrvoodooposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            ^ This.

            I would assume that Amazon was a MASSIVE part of HP's income stream.  Less and less Hubbers have been allowed eBay partner accounts recently.  Adsense seems to have taken a pretty big hit (for the average hubber) at HP.  HP don't earn from our direct affiliate links.  So they've got Panda-decimated Adsense earnings, and their own HP ad program.

            I'm sure that they'll ride this out somehow, but it's definitely a major blow.

  3. profile image0
    Where To Buyposted 6 years ago

    It's not just Amazon. It could be affecting merchants participating in the HPad programs as well. Thousands of merchants will now reject any affiliate located in California. This is what they need to address to people participating in the HPads program and let them know the status.

  4. WoodsmensPost profile image56
    WoodsmensPostposted 6 years ago

    SO I guess now is the time to get a back up copy of sales hubs before they delete the amazon capsule,,, if I want to keep a list of the products I have on my sales hubs correct? This could be the final straw jeepers hmm

    1. IzzyM profile image88
      IzzyMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Seems to me that now is a good time to backup ALL of our hubs, because HP might not be here tomorrow.

      1. EmpressFelicity profile image79
        EmpressFelicityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        http://www.youtube.com/user/ThatInterne … aUmTRrEsyE

        Called, catchily enough, How to Save Your HubPages Content To Your Computer.

        1. IzzyM profile image88
          IzzyMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Excellent, it is running in the background at present. Might take a while with all the hubs I have, plus the unfinished ones which are over 100 in number.

        2. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks for the information.  Did mine in just a few minutes - it's great!

      2. WoodsmensPost profile image56
        WoodsmensPostposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        In the time I wrote the last post and now I backed up all my hubs automatic with visualwget following the hub written by Pcunix http://hubpages.com/hub/Backing-up-Hubp … r-computer

        There are several good backup hubs written out there just search using the search box top right corner under my account


        http://s2.hubimg.com/u/5217097_f248.jpg

        Edit: This did not backup unpublished hubs

        1. sunforged profile image69
          sunforgedposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          there is a firefox plugin called "ScrapBook" that makes the options outlined in that hub a simple two click process.

          You can backup your ENTIRE hubpages account that way

          1. WoodsmensPost profile image56
            WoodsmensPostposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Ok cool, I never use FF but thanks for the info sunforged

            1. profile image0
              Multimanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I used it once, now I just tried and it did not back up the whole group but only about 30 of my hubs and I can not find a way to uninstall and try again.

              1. IzzyM profile image88
                IzzyMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Can you not try the operation again? I just used Scrapbook today for the first time, but I'd have thought I'd be able to repeat the whole process if I added in a load of new hubs.

                1. profile image0
                  Multimanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I can just have to rename the file, if I use the old file name it doesnt over righjt, so each time I do a mass of copies I will have to do all all over again.  No way apparently to delete the previous files.

  5. bgamall profile image83
    bgamallposted 6 years ago

    Hubpages can relocate headquarters to Nevada. Reno is nice but bring a jacket!

  6. wavegirl22 profile image45
    wavegirl22posted 6 years ago

    How to Install Scrapbook using Firefox

    http://www.youtube.com/user/ThatInterne … aUmTRrEsyE

    1. celebritie profile image75
      celebritieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks, I checked out the video and it is really useful.

  7. Mrvoodoo profile image60
    Mrvoodooposted 6 years ago

    Just out of interest, has there not been any kind of coordinated petition/protest/something of that sort, in the States against this by affiliates?

    I would have thought that they were quite numerous in numbers.

    Together would they not possibly have some sway, or is it a given that something of that nature would be ineffective?

    1. thisisoli profile image54
      thisisoliposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The nexus tax law change has been effectively blocked twice in Texas by Affiliate marketers, Affiliate programs and Publishers.  It is possible to stop this law going through, especially when you can claim that this is an unfair tax.

      Argument Number 1. Affilaites are advertisers, if you are going to consider an affiliate as a 'store' in a state, then all marketing agencies must be held accountable under that law. Getting paid via commission rather than an upfront fee should not effect this - the law is discriminatory and illegal.

      Argument Number 2. Affiliates market globally not locally.  The help bring money from around the nation and the world in to the state. This also means they are not competing with local businesses, but other interenet businesses. burdening affiliates but not other online marketing models is unfair.

      Argument Number 3. Main Street Fairness Alliance claims that amazon etc can under cut costs by not paying sales taxes in every state. However affiliate commission often exceeds local sales tax rates, including in NY.

      Argument Number 4. It has already been shown that every state that has implemented this law has dropped all affiliates in teh state.  This means that the state does not receive extra income, it also means that affiliate marketters canno longer earn this money, pay taxes, and spend money in the state, that would have often come from an out of state/country source.

      etc etc. I am sure you can think of more arguments on your own, but the fact of the matter is that if you can show that this will harm the state financialy, it will usually be refused.

      You need to point out that extra taxes earned are minimal, and that the loss of income for thousands of people can severely harm local economies.

      If the party in pwer was pro jobs, or pro economy, you can state bluntly that their actions of destroying peoplees livelihoods is against their policy, and by destroying jobs that bring in a large amount of national and international cash, they helping to prevent economic recovery for their state.

    2. sunforged profile image69
      sunforgedposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I usually follow along here:
      http://performancemarketingassociation.com/

      as far as mobilizing and staying aware of changes that can influence my online earnings

      many of the affiliate networks also send notices about such things.

      1. livewithrichard profile image85
        livewithrichardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I posted this a few weeks back:  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/76397#post1651644

        It links to an article describing how Performance Marketing Associates is suing the State of Illinois because of nexus and is prepared and financed to take it to the US Supreme Court.

        1. ChristinS profile image93
          ChristinSposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          that's excellent.  Illinois has only hurt itself by doing this to us.  I pay an enormously large amount of taxes living in this state and having Amazon taken away was very unfair.

  8. SunSeven profile image62
    SunSevenposted 6 years ago

    Still waiting for official stand on this. PiaC's post isn't doing it. smile

    1. Susana S profile image92
      Susana Sposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      For anyone who earns a reasonable amount with amazon and has just been booted this is a <snipped - no promotional links in the forums>

      1. SunSeven profile image62
        SunSevenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I am not booted by Amz or HP aff program yet. I am sure there will be and may be even better alternatives at the moment. If you'd like, I can give you some leads on this. smile

        1. Susana S profile image92
          Susana Sposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not booted either as I'm in the UK smile Just pointing out that there are some solutions out there for people who are affected, even if they may be only short term.

      2. IzzyM profile image88
        IzzyMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Someone has been quick of the mark!

        They only want 25% - seems a bit steep to me. That said, I suggested something similar on the sticky thread and got shot down in flames, as this is apparently fraud. Who'd have thought it? Not the taking of a commission/percentage, but for lying to the State in which you live and not paying sales tax, apparently.

        1. EmpressFelicity profile image79
          EmpressFelicityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          'Tis the way of governments. Create taxes that don't actually result in any increased revenue/benefits (can anyone say "broken window fallacy"?) and then criminalise people for not paying them.

  9. SunSeven profile image62
    SunSevenposted 6 years ago

    Thank you friends for your views on this thread. But I wonder why Jason/Paul/Maddie never even bothered to address this, so far. If you look at the timeline, I feel that they forced PiaC to make an announcement after seeing this thread and/or similar voices in the forum.

    Its a fact that HP is booted out of Amz program. What we need to know is that how that is going to affect or effect who are residing outside those tax laws and are still Amz affiliates.

    In short, where do we go from here?!

  10. jacharless profile image80
    jacharlessposted 6 years ago

    We'll just have to wait and see.
    Even if HP itself is booted, affiliates using Amazon on their Hubs really shouldn't be effected. They may have to manually enter the product codes or install the product widget though their HP account, so they may continue to use the service.

    I noticed a few mentions about AdSense and HP Ads regarding Bing.
    Since I do not earn through AdSense, am also not eligible for HP Ads and now Kontera is no more.

    A good alternative would be to give users a 60/40 on in-text ads by Vibrant Media, AdMedia or Infolinks and offer an alternative to the DoubleClick Network, until such time as Bing/Microsoft reopen their publisher section and HP set up a revenue share option for this.

    James.

  11. Stacie L profile image87
    Stacie Lposted 6 years ago

    I would be really unhappy if I didn't have the revenue from Amazon affiliate program. That's my biggest earner so far.

    1. SunSeven profile image62
      SunSevenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I dont think anyone is going to address our concerns.
      Its weekend at HP HQ
      Or is it weak end?

      WR Stacie. smile

      1. TamCor profile image78
        TamCorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I had posted a question on Pia's thread about this, wondering where the affliate money from HP is going from our hubs, now that they can't collect it anymore...

        I'd forgotten it was the weekend, ugh...I guess I won't hold my breath, waiting for a quick answer then, lol...

        1. EmpressFelicity profile image79
          EmpressFelicityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          As I understand it, HP doesn't collect all the money upfront - although it does collect its share of the money via its own affiliate code, which shows 40% of the time for any given hub, your own affiliate code shows for the remaining 60%, during which any purchases are credited straight to you - they don't go via HubPages at all.  Which is just as well really. 

          PS: Yesterday (July 1st) I got credited with some commission for Amazon items that shipped out on that day - this surely wouldn't have happened if all the money was funnelled via HP's now defunct Amazon affiliate account.

          1. TamCor profile image78
            TamCorposted 6 years ago in reply to this



            I understand what you're saying, thanks!  smile

            What I was wondering about, though, is if HP can't have their 40% time, does our affliate code take over that time frame then?

            1. EmpressFelicity profile image79
              EmpressFelicityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Various people (myself included) have posed this question to HP's staff on the forum, but no reply has so far been forthcoming.

              1. TamCor profile image78
                TamCorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I did see it mentioned before, with no replies, so I wanted to chime in, too, to see, if maybe enough of us posed the question, they might eventually ANSWER someone!

                It seems like common sense that our affliate codes would take over, but I've found that common sense doesn't always win out, does it? smile

          2. livewithrichard profile image85
            livewithrichardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            But have you had any new sales since 6/29?  Has anyone here had new sales credited since that date?  If so, then it would be a good indication that earnings may continue without Hubpages having an affiliate account.

            1. theherbivorehippi profile image82
              theherbivorehippiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I just posted in the other thread as well that I have a sale for July 1st. So...this is good news for now....

            2. SunSeven profile image62
              SunSevenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Ok Richard, I just checked now. Yes, there are a few sales commissions in my account for this month. In fact I made pay out for this month, already.

              1. livewithrichard profile image85
                livewithrichardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                That's great SunSeven. I'm sure we confirmed this in another thread that those affiliates that live in areas unaffected by the nexus laws are still earning here on HP.  The big question that needs to be addressed is what is happening to HP's 40% share?

                It will probably be a while before this is addressed.  If they are attempting to circumvent the nexus law by setting up an affiliate account from an unaffected state then there are some legal ramifications that they may run into.  I'm sure their lawyers are crossing all their t's and dotting all their i's to resolve their loss of income.

                1. SunSeven profile image62
                  SunSevenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I would like to know that as well Richard.

                  Especially, when I had to re-enter all my tax info the other day, and (what a coincidence!) when HP ads revenue do not show up on my account (there is a thread I started on this); and when bubblies like Simone is fronted or given the task of cheering us up with no hardbacked data, I believe my displeasure is not misplaced.

      2. theherbivorehippi profile image82
        theherbivorehippiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol.."weak end".....good grief let's hope not. Apparently we will be sitting in limbo until after the weekend.

        Waiting

        Waiting

        Yup...still waiting hmm

        As much as I enjoyed going through all hubs on all profiles to accommodate the 50 words/per amazon product rule....I really don't want to have to go through and manually pull them all either. If that's the case....most of my hubs will be moving over to Wizzley.

        Hoping things work themselves out (she crosses fingers).

        1. TinasTreasures profile image80
          TinasTreasuresposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          And it's a long weekend. They won't be at work until Tuesday.

  12. SunSeven profile image62
    SunSevenposted 6 years ago

    Perhaps I should run and check my hubs to see if they are indeed within rules of HP for that 50 words per product.

    I can only imagime the number of hubs that got unpublished and the anguish of hubbers who were dealt very roughly with that very friendly rule.

    Frankly, I dont know whether I should laugh or cry. smile

    1. Mark Ewbie profile image84
      Mark Ewbieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Do both.

      I'll help.

      Does this change mean we are likely to see a sudden shortage of barbecuing hubs?

  13. SunSeven profile image62
    SunSevenposted 6 years ago

    You should've been here, when all those Barbies wre queing here, but that was long ago and the floors were cleared for better visibility. smile

    1. Mark Ewbie profile image84
      Mark Ewbieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I haven't the foggiest idea what you just said.  It's probably clever, and subtle - but - sailed over me.

      1. theherbivorehippi profile image82
        theherbivorehippiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol I too am trying to figure that...I think it's code. We'll figure it out! lol

        1. Mark Ewbie profile image84
          Mark Ewbieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks.  I thought every other Hubber might say "oh duh, don't you GET the Barbie reference - what a newb".

          1. TamCor profile image78
            TamCorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I would NEVER do that! big_smile

            But then, I've been here over 2 years, and didn't get it, either! lol

          2. theherbivorehippi profile image82
            theherbivorehippiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Oh...I understood the Barbies reference, I'm trying to figure out the "floors were cleared for better visibility." smile

  14. WoodsmensPost profile image56
    WoodsmensPostposted 6 years ago

    oh ok

  15. SunSeven profile image62
    SunSevenposted 6 years ago

    Any official update yet?

    1. theherbivorehippi profile image82
      theherbivorehippiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's what I was about to ask. It's after the weekend...some sort of update would definitely be appreciated. smile

      1. SunSeven profile image62
        SunSevenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Perhaps they are still talking about it with Amazon fellas! smile

  16. theherbivorehippi profile image82
    theherbivorehippiposted 6 years ago

    Just a small update would be nice...even if it's a "Hey we're still working on it." No recognition of the subject since before the weekend (that I've seen anyway) is frustrating. Last I heard was to sit tight for a few days...assuming we would at least hear SOMETHING on Tuesday. It is now Wednesday and I can't help but feel a bit ignored. Trying to not make any fast decisions to just remove everything but at the same time, I just would like to know that someone is viewing our concerns. At this time I just don't feel like it.

  17. livewithrichard profile image85
    livewithrichardposted 6 years ago

    I totally feel your frustrations as I share them as well.  Honestly, I wouldn't accept anything given by the community 'peacekeepers' (Maddie, Simone, PiaC, etc) as being completely factual. I think we need answers directly from either of the 2 Pauls.  It's not that Maddie, Simone, PiaC or any of the other employees of Hubpages aren't privy to the information, it's the fact that the nature of their jobs is to deflect negative attitudes towards this company so they are the spin-masters of HP. When Paul Edmondson or Paul Deeds speak on sensitive issues, industry leaders listen, Hubbers listen.

  18. Andrew0208 profile image57
    Andrew0208posted 6 years ago

    Thanks EmpressFelicity for that head up. Recently made some sales via my hubs, meaning that our Amazon 60% is very active even if HubPages got affected by location(California), also considering the fact that whenever a hubber's adsense account got disabled, it doesn't stop ads from being shown on the hubs; at this point, it will only affect or disables the ad impression share and earnings of the hubber in question and not HubPages. Simply vice versa.

    1. IzzyM profile image88
      IzzyMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      So, this is my thinking, taking things a step further, Amazon will be in no hurry to assist Hubpages, because what HP are losing, Amazon is gaining.
      They may look to the future and realize they will lose an awful lot more if HP pulls out of Amazon altogether, and decide to work a solution with HP. But where is the hurry while they are making what HP is losing?
      HP should write a line of software code now to give the affiliates their 40% share, to bring Amazon nearer to  solution.

      1. sunforged profile image69
        sunforgedposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I dont understand? Are you suggesting a 100% share to the writers? I concur!

        Amazon cant have partners In CA . Hubpages is in CA  ---> . <-------

        1. IzzyM profile image88
          IzzyMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes that is exactly what I am suggesting. I am continuing to make Amazon sales as an affiliate, and with roughly the same daily click-throughs as before, which tells me that that 40% of the time that belongs to HP is totally wasted.

          They cannot collect, so Amazon gains. That is the way it has to work, else Amazon would be selling their products at a higher rate to those who clicked directly on their site.

          I know HP are in some talks with someone, because Pia posted to that effect.

          But HP actually hold the balance of power. While Amazon are making the money, HP are now losing, through not having an affiliation. HP should move now to change the goalposts by offering their 40% share to the authors.

          NOW we'd have a level playing field, and Amazon are more likely to talk to them.

          By the way, I will be very happy to accept 100% on the  understanding that it is a temporary measure.

          1. sunforged profile image69
            sunforgedposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Alright - got ya - HPs impressions are wasted.

            It would only be right and nice to have those wasted impressions go to the sites authors while things get worked out.

            Thats the type of good faith measure that might impress some of the disenfranchised.

            Instead they are redesigning your profile pages for you wink Anyone check the hopper lately? ..the ants are still marching in,,,,

            "NOW we'd have a level playing field, and Amazon are more likely to talk to them."

            This is the part Im not following. HP claims Amazon is working with them and the amazon email does suggest that amazon is attempting some workarounds.

            1. IzzyM profile image88
              IzzyMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              What Amazon email? Dang - they are not talking to me!
              I've no idea what workaround they are trying to work out, but I am glad they are.

              But look at it this way, until a workaround is reached, Amazon are gaining what HP is losing.

              Now maybe those talks can achieve an amiable solution in a week, but if I were Amazon, I'd drag it out to two weeks, or three weeks or longer, because they are making thousands if not millions of dollars in the interim.

              Not being a software writer, although I kinda half-trained to be one (failed because I didn't really understand it all) I imagine those whizz kids at HP could write a line of code to pass HP's share of the Amazon earnings over to us.

              On a temporary basis!

              It will help whatever is agreed in those talk come to pass sooner.

              1. TamCor profile image78
                TamCorposted 6 years ago in reply to this



                That has been what I've been wondering about...is anyone from HP ever going to come back on and address ANY of this--or they just going to keep us all waiting even longer?   

                Like I said before, I'm not publishing any more hubs until I know what's going on...because if they can't work anything out, I'm not putting work into anymore sales hubs, just to have the Amazon capsules pulled. sad

                1. IzzyM profile image88
                  IzzyMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No that is the wrong attitude! Keep on doing what you are doing if it working.

                  What you should also be doing is making sure you have a copy of your hub backed up somewhere, just in case tomorrow you get the message  "this page does not exist", although of course the Google cache should carry a copy of all your hubs, until they clear.

                  You can then use your hubs elsewhere on the net, provided of course that some scammer hasn't already copied and re-used your exact words somewhere else.

                  Google and all the web searchers have a HUGE job ahead of them, cleaning up the web.

                  Meanwhile, you and I should continue doing what we do best, writing new content smile

                  1. theherbivorehippi profile image82
                    theherbivorehippiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Their lack of response leads me to believe something dark is coming. We haven't even been acknowledged since when...last Friday or was it Saturday? I'm too lazy to look. I just find this very shady. It takes 30 seconds to come on and post a message. I'm ready to start unpublishing.

                    Let me tell you, three articles I posted at Wizzley last night before midnight were on page one of Google today, one of them is in the number two position in a pretty populated topic. That's enough to impress me.

                    I hate to leave Hubpages because I've really loved it here but I'm happy to move my Hubs to Wizzley and Xobba where both site owners are responsive.

                    You know I have not complained once about traffic through the whole Panda thing and I can always see the positive in every situation but I cannot see positive in being ignored and treated like I don't matter which is exactly how this silence is making me feel. So frustrated.

                  2. TamCor profile image78
                    TamCorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks Izzy! smile

                    I do agree about saving a copy of my hubs--I've already started doing that, but have a few more to go. smile

                    I make next to nothing with Adsense, and not a whole lot with HubAds, either, so the capsules are my main way of making money. And if they pull the capsules, I lose what chance I have of making much, so it's just not worth it to me right now. I'll keep up the ones I have, of course, and wait to see what happens--I'm not giving up on HP! smile

                    I really really hope, though, that they let us know something soon--it's just not right that they are keeping us all in the dark like this.

              2. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Correct me if I'm wrong, but Amazon stands to make a great deal of money whether the 40% is simply given to them or to the hubber.

                I'm assuming that the HP setup with Amazon is the same as ours and that puts them into the highest pay bracket each and every month.  I've never crossed 7% commission and suspect the large majority of hubbers are the same.

                1. IzzyM profile image88
                  IzzyMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  of course they do, but if 40% of the time, Amazon ads are carried without an affiliation link of any kind then Amazon make more money, not having to pay an affiliate.

                  I've never crossed 7% either. It's not the percentage I'm talking about, it's quite simply "who collects"?

                  Amazon do, of course.

  19. Andrew0208 profile image57
    Andrew0208posted 6 years ago

    Wait a minute, what happens if on their own, HubPages is still very active with Amazon despite every speculation of California issues with amazon? I don't think that assuming any of such will make them respond here as California or not didn't stop our amazon affiliates and hubs earnings on this platform though not as it used to be post panda. No need getting too worried about this either; always have your backup.

    1. thisisoli profile image54
      thisisoliposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If amazon enter in to an affiliate agreement in any way shape or form, direct or indirect, with Hubpages, then they have to pay california sales tax on all products they ship to california.  One affiliate means that Amazon would have a 'presence' in that state, so would be liable for taxation.   

      This is an extreme bending of hte famous phrase, no taxation without representation, but there you go, everyone knows this change is bull.

  20. CMHypno profile image88
    CMHypnoposted 6 years ago

    It is now Thursday and we are still waiting - come on HP this is a very serious issue for many of us, so just communicate a little!

    1. Andrew0208 profile image57
      Andrew0208posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Allow it not to be a very serious issue for you smile

      1. CMHypno profile image88
        CMHypnoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        For many hubbers this is a serious issue. If HP want to reassure worried hubbers they need to communicate more and let people know what is happening.

        Hubbers invest a lot of their time and energy into this site, and many of us have lost a lot of our earnings since February and Panda, and are understandably concerned that we are about to lose another source of income.

        While I am happy for you that earning on HP is not something that affects you, the HP staff need to step up to the plate and keep us informed.  I personally do not want to wake up one morning and find that all of my Amazon capsules have been disabled without any warning, for example

        1. TamCor profile image78
          TamCorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I agree with you.  My husband and I are both normally very patient people, but the lack of information from HP is really starting to bother us. 

          It is ridiculous to NOT take a moment out of their busy schedules to give us some sort of update.

          HP has already lost a lot of the major-league hubbers--how many more will they lose if they continue to wear blinders, as far as  acknowledging our concerns?

          All we want is some communication--is that too much to ask? neutral

          1. CMHypno profile image88
            CMHypnoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Especially with the Christmas period coming up, if I have to find new homes for quite a few product-type hubs, I want as much notice as possible.

  21. theherbivorehippi profile image82
    theherbivorehippiposted 6 years ago

    Wow..a day later and still no communication. So disappointing.

    1. Jason Menayan profile image61
      Jason Menayanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Pia said she would give an update towards the end of this week. Either she or Paul will do so either today or tomorrow, as promised (and in the thread she started, not in a Hubbers' Hangout thread). smile

      These things do take time, but we'll be sure to share information with the community as soon as we have something in place. Thank you for your patience!

      1. theherbivorehippi profile image82
        theherbivorehippiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks for your response Jason...it is appreciated. However, I have revisited the announcement thread several times and perhaps I'm overlooking but I see nothing where it says "near the end of the week". I was under the impression from Robin that we would hear something in a few days after the weekend...but nothing. We were told to basically sit tight for a few days. Really, is it that hard for someone to revisit the thread and just let everyone who is commenting know that it's still being worked on? Just acknowledge us.

        Comments HAVE been posted in the announcements thread where they should be addressed but have been ignored. Not blaming you because it's certainly not your fault but it's hard to not feel frustrated when you're being ignored.

        EDIT: In fact, I just revisited Pia's thread and her OP says "A longer blog post will follow in the next few days giving details on our plans and point of view." Really...it's been 6 days? Am I missing this longer post? Perhaps it should have read a longer post would follow in a week and then maybe Hubbers wouldn't feel so anxious like they're being avoided.

        1. Jason Menayan profile image61
          Jason Menayanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Pia said she would check in again in that linked post in "about a week" and that was 6 days ago. None of us is being evasive; we simply don't have anything to share yet. We have been actively negotiating with Amazon on this since last week, and we can't share anything specific until a deal is hammered out.

          I certainly understand your and others' frustration - we would like this to move as fast as possible, too. As Pia said, we are giving this our full attention, even if there's nothing yet to report on it. We do appreciate your patience in the meantime. smile

          1. theherbivorehippi profile image82
            theherbivorehippiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks again for your response. smile

          2. celebritie profile image75
            celebritieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks Jason, this information is useful

      2. TamCor profile image78
        TamCorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So, since Pia or Paul didn't post yesterday--at least that I caught--does that mean their update is coming today? smile

        I apologize in advance if I somehow missed it... big_smile

        1. profile image0
          Multimanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Me to I didnt find it yet.

          1. theherbivorehippi profile image82
            theherbivorehippiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Paul posted a response in the announcements in Pia's original thread.

            http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/78184?p … ost1700315

            1. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Nothing new, just more "we're on it" stuff.  smile

              1. celebritie profile image75
                celebritieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Apparently Hubpages are trying to work out an agreement with amazon but no one knows how long that will take.

  22. CMHypno profile image88
    CMHypnoposted 6 years ago

    Thanks for the information Jason, but it only takes 30 seconds to post a message every day, even if it only says 'no news yet folks'.

    Makes us feel that we are being kept in the loop and are not being sidelined.

  23. David R Bradley profile image93
    David R Bradleyposted 6 years ago

    Still P.O.ed about the Amazon deal and it's cramping my mojo in terms of writing...  I wasn't making a ton but it was nice to actually write for money.  Time to get creative!  Vent OVER!

    1. celebritie profile image75
      celebritieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I guess if you are not apart of the states affected you can still use Amazon on your own blogs.

  24. Jane@CM profile image60
    Jane@CMposted 6 years ago

    With long thought, I've started deleting my hubs one by one.  I'm not making money here, but my blog is - better the hubs on the blog than on here.  I'll leave the ones I wrote to advertise - sell products, but I won't go through every hub and delete Amazon, Jerry can do that for me.

 
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