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Is HubPages in trouble? Are they at risk of closing site?

  1. Cardisa profile image93
    Cardisaposted 6 years ago

    Recently there have been a lot of talk of HP in financial trouble, loss of it's Amazon Associate's account, Low traffic and whatever else there might be, whether it be Panda or Yogi bear.

    Is HP in trouble and will it be closing it's doors or rather closing site?

    What's with the California deal....what is it about?

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      Motown2Chitownposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I can field the Amazon question.  Amazon affiliation is not gone for everyone - only those in certain states, including Illinois and California (there may be others).  It has to do with state tax laws.  The loss of affiliation seems to be a huge deal in California, since HP is based in that state.

      If it's happened in other states, the hubber themselves will have received notification from Amazon that their accounts have been closed and details regarding their final payment.

      1. Marisa Wright profile image98
        Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Yes, that's the point.  All the advertising options on HubPages are offered on a shared basis between the Hubber and HubPages. That's how the site makes money.  If HubPages can't share Amazon, there's no benefit to them in offering that option, so it seems unlikely they would keep it. 

        In fact, it would be detrimental to HubPages to continue offering the Amazon capsules, because they compete with HP Ads, Adsense and eBay for reader clicks. That's why we're not allowed to use our own affiliate banners on HP.

      2. cindi h profile image59
        cindi hposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Connecticut also has lost Amazon.

    2. 2besure profile image79
      2besureposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Why you tryin to scare folks.  I just went through the eHow debacle, I can't go through another.

      1. Cardisa profile image93
        Cardisaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        I am not trying to scare anyone.

        As a member on HP, you don't think you have a right to know whats going on as do every one esle?

        Sorry about whatever went on with eHow sad

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        Where To Buyposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        I'm sorry about ehow, but another debacle has arrived. How bad it is, we can't tell with the limited info.

  2. David 470 profile image83
    David 470posted 6 years ago

    Loss of amazon associates account!? I have not been very active on here the last month or so.

    1. Cardisa profile image93
      Cardisaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I read an article that mentioned it. I will try to find the link and post it here.

    2. wheelinallover profile image78
      wheelinalloverposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I have been pretty active on hub pages in the past month and have heard nothing about Hub pages losing the Amazon account. I have heard that sales are way down with Amazon, as many people had to take quite a few of Amazon's products off their hubs.

      I have also heard nothing about how the new in house ad program is producing for hub pages. I have heard that the older hubbers are not doing as well with the new system. My hubs are doing better with the new program than they did with adsense which has now flatlined.

      I have also heard many of the oldtimers are moving their hubs from hubpages which is hurting sales also. In few cases there are even newer hubbers who are removing their work and moving them where they can earn more quicker.

    3. theherbivorehippi profile image80
      theherbivorehippiposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  3. Richieb799 profile image76
    Richieb799posted 6 years ago

    Why would they close their doors? surely they are always going to need writers.
    I don't think they are in financial trouble, although they are probably not enjoying having to pay all of the extra moderators and staff as the site is developing.
    I'm still earning every month although a bit of that is coming from my sites now so I imagine HP still have their head above water.

  4. Michael Willis profile image80
    Michael Willisposted 6 years ago

    In the top blue sticky forum thread section [Emails from Amazon]...Pia of HP tells about California residents and Amazon ending their contract together because of the new tax law passed. HP is located in California.
    How that effects everyone else here has not been answered yet, since it is now a holiday. HP plans to tell us more during the week as they learn more about the situation.
    For others here, and I am one, from States which have already passed the law to collect taxes from Amazon...Amazon has ended their partnership/contract with them and we can no longer make money from Amazon.

    1. Cardisa profile image93
      Cardisaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks Michael!

      I forgot about the US holiday.

      Hope we get some answers soon.

  5. Cardisa profile image93
    Cardisaposted 6 years ago

    Here is the link to the Hub I read recently about the California issue and the Amazon Issue.

    Hub by Ryankett -2 years on HP

    http://hubpages.com/hub/The-California- … o-Hubpages

  6. Gordon Hamilton profile image100
    Gordon Hamiltonposted 6 years ago

    Cardisa,

    First of all - relax! smile

    Sensationalism is a common human practice because it affords publicity to those who create the rumors, those who spread them, those who embellish them and - in their own eyes at least - those who give them substance.

    Google Panda, Amazon changes through legislation and a hundred million other things affect the way in which the Web and Planet Earth operate every single day. I haven't read the Hub you refer to, I have no interest in reading it and I have absolutely no intentions of reading it.

    For now, I am off to create a Hub about the dark cloud I saw tonight and the weird shadow it cast on me as I was out walking the dog. I believe it was all the fault of the Amazon cluster in the Google Panda subdomain, combined with the effect of Mars and Uranus...

    I'll still be writing Hubs this time next year - what about you?? smile

    1. Cardisa profile image93
      Cardisaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Gordon, I want to be writing hubs this time next year too. It's just that reading these depressing articles are really depressing me and I hate the idea of losing my HP family. I am not making any money but this family and writing is important to me.

      1. Gordon Hamilton profile image100
        Gordon Hamiltonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Cardisa,

        Keep going! If there are points of concern, you will hear it from Hub Pages staff. This is a great place to write and I can honestly say (although my official knowledge is the same as yours) that I do not for one solitary second believe that Hub Pages is in danger of closing its doors.

        The forums here are great for many, many reasons but when it comes to an issue like this, take the official word as gospel and the remainder with a pinch of salt.

        Want a laugh to cheer you up? This reminds me of a comedy sketch on British TV a few years ago. A ship has sunk and the survivors are all gathered on one small lifeboat. A ship's officer decides to cheer the people up by getting them to sing. He raises his hands and declares that all should begin after him. He begins:

        "We're all going to die, we're all going to die, ee-aye-ah-dee-oh, we're all going to die..."

        Be positive and keep writing your Hubs wink

      2. Trish_M profile image84
        Trish_Mposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Hi smile

        It is, indeed, depressing, isn't it!

  7. Shadesbreath profile image82
    Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago

    HP will be fine. The seas are rocking. The storm has damaged the ship. Maybe some ballast will have to be tossed out; some of it jumped out on its own. But ultimately, it will go on, the storm will pass.

    HP has had a lot of changes, and I remember the sky was falling when the soft-core porn guys had to go. (LOL at every third hub being about Sexy Aunties). OMG, without all the traffic from hubs about Indian women in bikini tops, the site is dead.

    Yes, traffic dropped overall. For a while. Then it built back up. All along HP has said the same thing, over and over and over a zillion times: write high quality, original content. If you do that, you will be fine. Just don't put all your eggs in one basket. You shouldn't have four years ago, you shouldn't have when the hot aunties thing was going, you shouldn't have with Amazon, and you shouldn't with whatever comes out next on here.

    1. Cardisa profile image93
      Cardisaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks Mark, I so glad those porn guys left, at least they won't distract the traffic from our hubs.

      I definitely don't want to see my Indian aunt in a bikini either!

      I'm serious......being half Indian myself.

      1. Cardisa profile image93
        Cardisaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        I'm sorry Shades, I called you Mark.........OMG......so sorry! Please forgive me hmm

        1. Shadesbreath profile image82
          Shadesbreathposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          LOL, no worries.

          1. Mark Ewbie profile image88
            Mark Ewbieposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I noticed, and was inwardly quite pleased.

            1. Rosie2010 profile image76
              Rosie2010posted 6 years agoin reply to this

              I noticed, too.  I thought... so, Shadesbreath and Mark Ewbie are one and the same?  You knew?  Well, anything can happen in cyberspace world, right?

              1. Mark Ewbie profile image88
                Mark Ewbieposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Apart from the writing and everything else there's one very visible clue in the avatars.  One of those guys is not an artist, the other one is.

                1. Cardisa profile image93
                  Cardisaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  You guys both look alike, and your hubs crack me up all the time and I like you both...so I thought you were Shades, maybe one in the same as Rosie pointed out.

                  1. Shadesbreath profile image82
                    Shadesbreathposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    Well, before we decide if I am him or he is me, let's figure out who looks better in a bathing suit. If he's got some washboard abs going, I'm fine being him.

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      Motown2Chitownposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Always the sane, rational voice of reason.

      Well, the voice of reason anyway.

      smile

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      Baileybearposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      is having a group of websites with the same provider having eggs in one basket?  eg Weebly offer 2 websites for free & up to 10 for a paid account

      1. Shadesbreath profile image82
        Shadesbreathposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Having your own sites is cool. Having some stuff here is good too. Frankly, having your own site and committing to it is probably smarter than committing to someone else's (like here). There's not promise anything will last forever, though, so back up your sites from time to time incase you have to make them somewhere else. Antying beyond that it out of the scope of my experience. I just write sarcasm, what do I know?


        The voice of something anyway. big_smile

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          Motown2Chitownposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Just be the voice of reason for now.  I'm hearing enough other voices at the moment.  At least one of them needs to be reasonable.  tongue

  8. Marisa Wright profile image98
    Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago

    Here's a post I just wrote on another thread:

    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/78367#post1694701

    I cannot see any way in which HubPages can continue to be part of Amazon, short of relocating their whole operation to another State.  And if HubPages can't earn any revenue from Amazon capsules, they would be mad to allow Hubbers to keep using them - because they're competing with their other ad programs.

    I'm sure HubPages management is reviewing their business model right now, as any business would in the face of reversals.

    First the Panda update slashed their traffic in half.  Then they saw a large proportion of their high-earning Hubs disappear because they alienated most of their "big hitters" with ill-considered post-Panda changes. And now, they're looking at losing all their Amazon income.

    Mind you, I'm not sure the Amazon change will have a big impact, because it must have been a small portion of its income.  I say that because HubPages didn't worry about losing most of its Amazon income when it outlawed the "Sales Hub" format, which resulted in Hubbers like Nelle Hoxie deleting hundreds of highly profitable Hubs.  So losing the rest of its Amazon income may be only a minor irritant.

    1. Trish_M profile image84
      Trish_Mposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Hi smile

      Did it?

      There are still such hubs, though, aren't there? ~ Indeed, I have a few and have not been told to remove them.

      1. Marisa Wright profile image98
        Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Trish, I'm sure you remember people like Nelle Hoxie and Mark Knowles.   They had "cracked" the secret of making big money with Amazon "Product Hubs".  I remember Mark wrote a Hub explaining how to write one.

        To make good sales, it was important to provide the reader with a large number of comparisons, which meant a density of far more than one Amazon product per 50 words.  When the change happened, Nelle was so sure it wouldn't work, she simply deleted every single one of her Amazon Hubs - and she had hundreds of them!

        I have Amazon ads on my Hubs, too, and I haven't been asked to change any of them - but they weren't Product Hubs, they were informational Hubs which just happen to have a few related Amazon ads.

        1. Trish_M profile image84
          Trish_Mposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, they were doing very well.   


          Most of mine are like that, too, but I do still have a few product hubs, as well.

          1. Marisa Wright profile image98
            Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I'm guessing they're not breaking the 50 words per Amazon product rule, then.

            1. livewithrichard profile image85
              livewithrichardposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              You are right, the key to earning big with Amazon was to have many many products on the hub to compare and having them as the first module.  When people landed on those pages they knew exactly where and why they were there.

              The way it is set up now is a dismal failure.  The loss of Amazon affiliation was surely anticipated by HP they would be fools not to expect this and have a contingency, notably the HP ad program. 

              The loss of Amazon affiliation has to be a huge financial blow. If only 1 percent of all hubbers were doing as well as I was then I would estimate HP losing at least 100 Grand a month in Amazon referral income.

            2. Trish_M profile image84
              Trish_Mposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              That's true smile

  9. daryl2007 profile image60
    daryl2007posted 6 years ago

    if HP is not engaging Hub Ads there is nothing in their possession that would lose..... We are writing articles and they earn a percent from our Google Ads... So they lose nothing. Now they have this Hub ads and they are paying us for it, so if their hub ads could not get income then that's the time they will have financial problem.

  10. Alastar Packer profile image86
    Alastar Packerposted 6 years ago

    HubPages is experiencing at the moment what practically every other company in America if not the world is dealing with. HubPages has many assets that in my opinion favor it's survival through the turmoil. One: as far as I can tell they've got the best site on the internet for example with their set- up, format or whatever you call it.. Two: The folks in San Fran are highly intelligent, know far more about their business and what their doing than many give them credit for. Three: There are more reasons but let this third one suffice; the talented and fantastic hubbers on here, not to mention the great potential in those that publish their first story or article here every day. No one bats a thousand but my doughs on the Giants.

  11. daryl2007 profile image60
    daryl2007posted 6 years ago

    They should not close the site...it is not easy to write hubs...They should stand with their commitment in helping hubbers to earn...not running away when they feel they are not earning anymore.

  12. daryl2007 profile image60
    daryl2007posted 6 years ago

    They should not close the site...it is not easy to write hubs...They should stand with their commitment in helping hubbers to earn...not running away when they feel they are not earning anymore.

    1. Marisa Wright profile image98
      Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Daryl, HubPages is a business. They didn't start HubPages to "help Hubbers earn" - they started HubPages to make money for themselves.  They needed writers to do that, and therefore they rewarded us for writing here.

      If HubPages stops being profitable, I see no reason why HP management should feel obligated to continue.  They have to pay their mortgages too.

    2. Barbara Kay profile image91
      Barbara Kayposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Not only can they not earn money, but they can lose money everyday too. It cost a lot to host a site this large.

  13. blake4d profile image68
    blake4dposted 6 years ago

    I will just say that I hope HP figures it out for themselves. But Amazon has had this coming more than any online company in history, they have many questionable practices with their online business model, with your fraud department, and some states are now putting this together. Amazon has its moments of good will but for the most part any independent person that blindly supports Amazon without questioning their practices internally - has not made enough money through them to know what their real agendas are. You as an affiliate or a seller, or anything else they put their banner on are just a vehicle. If all the states blacklisted them they would likely blame it on the irresponsibility of the small businesses. In this case HP will probably be smart to drop them.
    Oh and by the way Google Adsense will loose HP more writers in the long haul than Amazon. I suggest HP use its affiliation with paypal and drop the advertisers they currently use. Google is a much bigger problem. Good luck HubPages.
    Thats my 2 cents. Blake4d
    http://s3.hubimg.com/u/5230346_f248.jpg

  14. cindyvine profile image83
    cindyvineposted 6 years ago

    I think Hubpages will adapt and endure.  In my time here there have been other instances when good writers have got peeved and left, but Hubpages continues and there are always new writers who join.

  15. celebritie profile image86
    celebritieposted 6 years ago

    The hubpages Silicon Valley company business model is just fine, it is impression based so all it needs is people coming to the site and staying on it for long length of time, on a daily basis.

    When you come to the forums everyday, leave comments, hub hop, write hubs, follow other writers, ask questions, share hubs on facebook, link to your blogs, or even refer others to hubpages.

    That is enough activity for Hubpages to get advertisers to post ads on this site. Remember they make money from more than just our articles and affiliate.

    As a user generated open platform they have many options to make money and raise capital. That is why they are placing more emphasis on social activity among the participants. 

    We are given an incentive to be here and as long as people are looking for places they can come and communicate, Hubpages and sites like them will continue to thrive.

    1. Marisa Wright profile image98
      Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, it isn't.  By far the bulk of HubPages traffic is the readers who find Hubs on search engines.

      The activity by Hubbers is a drop in the ocean compared to that, and is certainly not enough to attract advertisers.

  16. psycheskinner profile image84
    psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago

    I am surprised how many people think this site owes them anything much.  It offers a place to put text and make money.  If it closed tomorrow you could take the text and post it somewhere else.  I am sure it will remain open so long as there is money in it but see no reason whatsoever for them to continue if/when there is not.

    1. IzzyM profile image90
      IzzyMposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      It might surprise you to learn that some of actually CARE about Hubpages. I'm not worried for me, I'm worried for them. Despite my best efforts, I don't make enough here to count as making a living. But this is undoubtedly THEIR living, and I care!

      1. Marisa Wright profile image98
        Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Izzy, I didn't read Psycheskinner's post in the same way you did.

        Psyche was replying to the person who said HubPages had an obligation to continue, because it made a commitment to writers.  Psyche was just saying HubPages doesn't owe us a living - it's their business and they're entitled to do what they want with it.

        I'm also grateful to HP for creating a site which really did bring writers together. I'm on other writer sites and never made the connections or learned anywhere near as much as I did here.  I owe them something, not the other way round.

    2. livewithrichard profile image85
      livewithrichardposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe I missed it but I don't remember reading anything in this thread about HP owing us anything.  And it is obvious from your statement that you do not earn enough here to even care about losing it.  Maybe you should put yourself in the shoes of some of us that were earning a $1000+ a month and... poof! It's gone.

      @Izzym  You are right, the learning center is probably a great starting place for those that are new to what it is we do here. I don't go there either because there is not much there for me to learn.

      Question, does anyone here really believe that the HP staff came up with the leaning center all on their own? Most of it came from the "so called experts" that have freely shared their info from tried and true experimentation. So, no, HP doesn't owe anything to anyone but there are thousands upon thousands of hubbers that owe some gratitude to those that came before them and laid the foundation that helped build HP to a top 50 site.  I for one and thankful to them (Mark,Nelle,Josh,Ryan,Dale,Darkside, Thank you!)

      Taking "the eye off the prize," and allowing this place to drop as hard and as fast as it did, well that is entirely on HP top brass.

      1. prettydarkhorse profile image63
        prettydarkhorseposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        thisisoli, Sunforged,SusanaS, Peter Hoggan, Misha plus you..and many more..

        1. livewithrichard profile image85
          livewithrichardposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks, there are so many more... those I listed were the first to come to my mind... Oh, Josh is Sunforged.

          1. prettydarkhorse profile image63
            prettydarkhorseposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            josh - SF----was blind bec. of fireworks, didn't see that..

            Happy fourth...

  17. Aficionada profile image89
    Aficionadaposted 6 years ago

    I feel as you do, IzzyM.  I do also care a great deal for the staff at HP.

    Even if I haven't earned enough here to count as making pocket money, much less a living, I have learned so much about online writing and publishing here that I feel I have received a free education - therefore, I have saved hundreds or thousands of dollars, which means that in one sense I actually have earned money here.  And if (in the future) I use what I have learned here on other sites and make money on those other sites, I would feel that I had earned it because of HubPages.  I owe a great deal to HP for providing the platform where people like me can learn from some of the best.

    1. IzzyM profile image90
      IzzyMposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah well before we both get dug up by the experts, it was the successful hubbers on here who freely educated us, and not Hubpages staff. At this point I must admit I have not visited the learning centre much - they may well be teaching us there now for all I know.

      But it was, as you say, the Hubpages platform that brought us all together.

      For that, I am forever grateful. And it was this platform, when at its most powerful, who gave me the satisfaction of seeing my articles, that I wrote, at the number 1 position in Google.

      For an aspiring writer, this is such an ego boost!!

      1. Aficionada profile image89
        Aficionadaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Excellent way of stating it!

        Like you, I learned more from the other Hubbers than from the staff, when I came on board.  I think that at the time, there was so much that was brand new and rather overwhelming for me, that I needed to take it in in little bites.  Being able to ask experts (lol - or not lol) and receive immediate answers was just perfect for me.  Through all of these months, as I have gone back into the Learning Center from time to time, I have been able to understand all of it much better, and for me that has been the result of the combination of LC materials and what I have learned from other Hubbers.

  18. AEvans profile image79
    AEvansposted 6 years ago

    HubPages is not going anywhere and they did not lose the entire Amazon account. Read the thread regarding Amazon and the California law that was passed by the governor. I agree with Izzym go directly to the learning center. Up in the right hand corner of next to your "my profile" is the "help" area. I only see HP growing and getting better as each your passes.

    I remember when the forums were only alive until eight or nine at night. HP has grown in leaps and bounds and despite changes they are standing strong. smile

    1. Cardisa profile image93
      Cardisaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks Julianna, that's good to know.

    2. Marisa Wright profile image98
      Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I know the initial post in that thread sounds as though HubPages still has its own Amazon account, and the change will only affect Californian Hubbers.

      However if HubPages is based in California, they are also not permitted to be affiliates of Amazon, which means they can no longer legally take a share of the income from Amazon capsules.  I can only assume they're not saying so, because they're still hoping their talks with Amazon will solve the problem.

      If HP can't get revenue from Amazon capsules then it will make no sense to continue to offer them.

      1. EmpressFelicity profile image76
        EmpressFelicityposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        You're right that it won't make sense to offer them to new hubbers (or even on *any* new hubs published from now on, regardless of who they're written by).

        But it would be incredibly stupid on their part to delete the Amazon capsules that are already in existence. If they do, you'll hear a whooshing sound as thousands of sales hubs are moved elsewhere.

        1. Marisa Wright profile image98
          Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Well, that's true, Felicity - but since HubPages doesn't have an Amazon account any more, they're already earning no money from those sales Hubs, are they?

          1. wilderness profile image98
            wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I would expect that even sales hubs, optimized for Amazon capsules, will still earn some from adsense.  I know mine sometimes do.

            True, they probably won't earn as much, but it's better than have the hubber pull all sales hubs simply because HP doesn't want to keep the capsules.

  19. snakebaby profile image71
    snakebabyposted 6 years ago

    Surprised. But just yesterday I sold 2 amazon products, did they have to end the affiliation with amazon only today?

    1. IzzyM profile image90
      IzzyMposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      They had not lost our affiliate accounts. I am continuing to earn with Amazon. They have lost their 40% share, I believe.

  20. Stacie L profile image90
    Stacie Lposted 6 years ago

    I know if I lost my Amazon earnings I would be very unhappy!

    1. carol3san profile image61
      carol3sanposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I am new to hub pages and I've written 3 hubs now. I live in the state of Florida, and I noticed that I am unable to access any amazon products to put on my last two hubs.  I wonder if Florida is banned too?  My amazon account is still active.

  21. PaulGoodman67 profile image97
    PaulGoodman67posted 6 years ago

    I can't see HP just closing up.  But I could see them radically altering direction if things fail to improve.  A social networking site where you recieve money for blogging, they might go with that element?

    1. EmpressFelicity profile image76
      EmpressFelicityposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I can see that happening too - they really seem to be pushing the social networking angle at the moment.  Or maybe Facebook will come and make them an offer that's too tempting to refuse.

      1. celebritie profile image86
        celebritieposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        That is what I can tell is happening as well because even Google is going for a more social angle. Now it is about building a online reputation and having a social landscape across the web.

  22. Mikeydoes profile image76
    Mikeydoesposted 6 years ago

    Let me assure you I am 100% sure that Hubpages WILL exceed all of your expectations. And it certainly will not close down. Ryan is speculating in that hub and has little idea what Paul and Hubpages are actually up to.

    They are not closing down, at all.. Believe me when I tell you, I am excited once again for Hubpages with the big changes this site is undertaking.

    Amazon was already lost in Illinois for me, there are always other options and ways to fix it! Just because California, Illinois, Conn and a couple other states don't have Amazon, does not mean that Amazon is useless, I'm going to be using it once again very soon!

    1. IzzyM profile image90
      IzzyMposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      You know something we don't Mikey! Come on, spill!

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      andycoolposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      People are in denial mode even today... I just can't believe it! The days of content farms are over. Consider sites like about.com and apply to become a contributor if you think you have the zing in you. And then ask yourself why HubPages articles would be visible in search engines beating sites like about.com (a part of the New York Times company).

      http://beaguide.about.com/

      1. IzzyM profile image90
        IzzyMposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Thought you'd left, Andycool?

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          andycoolposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Yes Izzy, but I tend to hang in here at the forums whenever I find time. I'm writing no more here... trying to break the ice at about.com (completed the first step there) along with developing my own site. How are you Izzy?  smile

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            Baileybearposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            what benefits does about.com offer over own site?

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              andycoolposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              They offer monthly compensation ($500) if selected. smile

              http://beaguide.about.com/gdcomp.htm

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                Baileybearposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                I've just put a submission in.  Are they already trying you out?

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                  andycoolposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Currently I'm in stage 2 of their evaluation program. Wishing you best of luck! smile

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                    Baileybearposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    thanks, same to you.

              2. sunforged profile image76
                sunforgedposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Sorry, OCD at work here - did you read the link? there are quite a few qualifiers you are missing (i.e. "minimum" "after 2 years" "guaranteed")

          2. IzzyM profile image90
            IzzyMposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I'm fine ta for asking. Got six new websites up and 30 new blogs, so I've been busy smile

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              Baileybearposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              30 blogs?  That must keep you busy

              1. IzzyM profile image90
                IzzyMposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Sure does - but then I was used to writing 3 or 4 hubs a day at my peak rate.
                Strangely enough those 30 blogs bring me in half as much traffic again as my almost 500 hubs.

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                  andycoolposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Best of luck Izzy! smile

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                  Baileybearposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  proportionally, my new website and blog bring in more traffic than HP - not earning any money yet, but I'm not cluttering up with ads.  I'm just thrilled people are reading my stuff, and some have said thank you.

                  I'm setting up a second website (with attached blog), so will have 2 websites with attached blogs & 1 stand-alone blog.  No plans to add any others at this stage. I have plenty of content to add to these alone.

            2. theherbivorehippi profile image80
              theherbivorehippiposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Good grief Izzy...I thought I had a lot going on with my sites and blogs. Now I feel like a slacker compared to you. You have a clone over there or something?

              1. IzzyM profile image90
                IzzyMposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                No I just don't seem to be able to stop!

                It is far better to have just one or two sites and blogs with loads of content and a good backlinking campaign underway, but I seem to get through a bit of everything each day instead of putting all my energy into the one thing and making it work.
                None of my sites or blogs are what you might called overloaded with content, but the main ones have at least 10 good sized posts, which is a good starting point.

                1. Mark Ewbie profile image88
                  Mark Ewbieposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Question Izzy.  Is it OK to just have one blog with some diverse stuff in it, or is it better to focus - SEO, Politics, Humor, and so on?

                  1. livewithrichard profile image85
                    livewithrichardposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    Keep it focused to a specific topic otherwise you will not gain a following, just a bunch of passers by.  If you build a following (a list) then you stand a chance at profiting from that list at some point.

      2. Mikeydoes profile image76
        Mikeydoesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        There are an infinite number of keywords, and it takes people to make the sites. Why wouldn't we get paid over the owner of the website. The internet is us, no one else we put all the info on there. If content farms(if that is what you want to call them) are on their last breath, I don't want to see what the future is like, because that is definitely going backwards. I have come to my conclusion, that not only do I think you are wrong, but also the amount of money that could be made on places like Hubpages is truly astounding.

        If I had someone writing articles for me 8 hours a day, I'd never have to work a day in my life, and I truly mean that.

        Have you ever actually searched Google for something you are having problems with? If it isn't about sports or something very easy, then you won't find it. My advanced skills on the computer help me out a bunch, but there comes a point when things just don't want to work and not even Google could help you. There are problems all the time, and these long tail keywords made here do help search engines out drastically.

        There is so much missing content on the internet, and ALL of it can be VASTLY improved.

        About.com looks pretty cool, I'll have to look in to it more, but to me it seems like Hubpages is better than it. Seeing as I topped that amount in 1 month, with little to know experience at that point.

  23. CyclingFitness profile image94
    CyclingFitnessposted 6 years ago

    For those out there who've lost their Amazon affiliation would it not be relatively simple to partner up with someone who has such affiliation to host hubs on their profile for you?

    For instance being UK based i'm outside of any US laws that come into place. If anyone was to approach someone with a relevant business proposal i'm sure it would be worthwhile to both parties in the current climate.

  24. Ladybird33 profile image44
    Ladybird33posted 6 years ago

    I think HP will get through this just fine.  I am hanging on because I believe in them.  It's had some changes, no doubt, but I think it will bounce back! Life would be boring if we didn't spice it up with takeovers, leftovers, panda or yodi bear, we are just living the dream....drama, that is the spice of life smile

  25. Cardisa profile image93
    Cardisaposted 6 years ago

    I think that HPs personal account is actually different form the Hubbers, because each Hubbers account is owned by them personally. So the option of using the Amazon capsule on your hubs will still be open and only Hubbers in certain States will encounter a problem using the capsule (like California because of the new tax thing).

    I am not American so I can't elaborate on the California deal, but I think, based on all the information I am getting, that everything will be fine.

    By the way, has anyone seen Cagsil lately?

    1. livewithrichard profile image85
      livewithrichardposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      We have already confirmed that Amazon affiliates in unaffected states are STILL earning THEIR SHARE.  We have not confirmed if HP is STILL earning its share from their 40% of impressions.

  26. profile image0
    Where To Buyposted 6 years ago

    It's hard to know because they are a private company and don't have to share infomation with us about revenue and strategy unless they feel like it. So eventually they may or may not tell us what kind of Amazon hit they've taken, or if they've already moved to another state, or whatever. It's hard to know what to make of it. Everyone is free to do their own due diligence when deciding how much time to invest here.

  27. lrohner profile image82
    lrohnerposted 6 years ago

    I imagine the best they can hope for right about now is finding someone who wants to buy them out since nothing they've done so far seems to be helping. This graph shows global traffic as of yesterday:

    http://i52.tinypic.com/w8onmc.jpg

    1. Mikeydoes profile image76
      Mikeydoesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      You must also take in to account many hubbers stop posting, removed their hubs, or just stopped promoting their hubs all together. There is really no reason to publish here, since most views you get  right now are from backlinking(AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME). This will all change very soon..

      The people that have been making quality hubs will reap the benefits. Hubpages and sites like Hubpages are not closing, they are only beginning.

      All I know is if I had 20 Million views I would not be worrying, I'd be looking for ways to improve that number.

      1. IzzyM profile image90
        IzzyMposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        I KNOW you know something that we don't!

        If you can't spill, so be it, but it is lifting my heart, all the same smile

        1. TamCor profile image81
          TamCorposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          I just wish someone would let us know SOMETHING!

          I've been writing primarily sales hubs, with Amazon capsules, but I don't want to do anymore until I know if I'll even be able to keep using them... sad

          1. Mikeydoes profile image76
            Mikeydoesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I have no idea on this matter, but honestly if we can't use Amazon any more that sucks.. Really bad.

            1. TamCor profile image81
              TamCorposted 6 years agoin reply to this



              I agree...that's the main source of income for me on here right now...

              I'm wondering, though...if they take away our capsules, could we still put links in our hubs, with our Amazon affliate codes on them?

              Honestly, at this point, I'm just throwing thoughts out there, since no one has come on today to let us know anything more...at least that I've seen so far...

              But I won't write anymore hubs until I have some answers to some of the questions we've all been asking.

        2. livewithrichard profile image85
          livewithrichardposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Mikey is right. I seriously doubt that Hubpages is closing its doors anytime soon.  Things are definitely changing and the way we once earned money here is changing as well. 

          Optimizing for Adsense is still a viable option though you will be competing heavily while the site is still on a decline.

          Optimizing for Amazon is no longer a viable option and neither is optimizing for Ebay. Not because of the loss of affiliation but because the best model for those programs included the use of tons of product placements.

          Optimizing for other affiliate programs is no longer a viable option since you never know when HP will tell you that your linking to a "bad neighborhood," according to them.

          The HP ad program is the only viable option to earn though to earn well you need thousands of daily impressions. This is not the same as earning through adsense. Hubpages does not earn when we earn. Advertisers pay Hubpages to place their ads here and Hubpages is sharing that revenue with us.  The more daily impressions we get the more Hubpages can charge for ad placement.

          This is the main reason, in my opinion, that there is a move to socialize this site. By drawing in our social networks, in a responsible way, we bring more impressions, more authors, more content, more advertising revenue. 

          This can be good in the long term but for those of you that know what it was like to earn here, don't expect that to return anytime soon.

      2. lrohner profile image82
        lrohnerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Your theory only holds water if they can actually afford the losses from the decline in traffic, regardless of what caused the decline. HP went from 90 million pageviews per month to little more than 40 million. Could you afford to lose 54% of your income overnight? I know that I couldn't. And HP's income loss is much more than that now with the Amazon termination.

  28. profile image0
    Where To Buyposted 6 years ago

    I find it very interestng that Pia's topic about the Amazon notification is no longer a sticky topic. So new hubbers have no idea that HP recently lost a major revenue source.

    And make no mistake they did lose it. There is no way for them to physically remain in CA and have an account as a company. And there is no way for individual staff members to keep their account and stay in CA. They are no different from anyone else.

    They themselves said they got the termination notice. The only hope is that Amazon is willing to use the exemption if affiliates don't actively promote them. We'll see on that one.

  29. Mikeydoes profile image76
    Mikeydoesposted 6 years ago

    Here is the way I saw it from the beginning:

    All I can say for sure is all of our hubs are thrown in the same pot of soup. Most of us bring the necessary ingredients and some even bring even better ones. Pretty soon people with no idea how to cook are throwing stuff in the soup. As less good ingredients are thrown in and tons of crappy ingredients are thrown in, the product becomes gross. Who would want that product? Most people wouldn't touch it. That includes the big daddy; Google.

    There are ways to prevent it and there are ways to dull it down. Hubpages having moderators deleting content 1 by 1 is their way to dull it down. And to this point there has been little to no success. I've also heard that RSS feeds and Amazon adds hurt, but after removing them there was no evidence of any improvements. Either way if they keep choosing to dull it down, or completely fix the problem, 1 thing remains for sure. Hubpages will be fixed.. not closed down.

    I've been reading what Paul says very closely(and other Hubpages workers). He has said a few things that have brought me hope. And over the past couple months, I too have been fed up just like the majority, no doubt. Mainly with the lack of them telling us what is really going on and a solid plan.

    Thinking about quitting and removing hubs never crossed my mind and it shouldn't have with most people. Having your own site is always better, but these hubs in all honestly were very easy and can always draw you more income. Make a new hub(article) or on the new site similar to the one on Hubpages and compliment them, it will only increase traffic and income. The internet and Google needs us the people and sites like Hubpages, however Google did have every right to kick Hubpages butt from all the crappy content. If you hubhopped it was hard to find a decent hub. And it wasn't us to blame, that easily can be put on Hubpages, which is why I believe people are so mad. They now know that crappy content is an Achilles heel. Same way if you were a soup store and had crappy soup mixed with your good ones.

    Getting the crap out of the soup is all Hubpages needs to do. Or they can just make a whole new batch and bring the good material over. Which it looks to me like they are doing something similar(read Paul's posts below). Who knows how many pots there need to be and all that mess, only time will actually tell, but I like this idea as I have thought of it in my head before.

    The same reason Hubpages does not release all it's info is the same reason our military doesn't share their secrets.

    They just need to remove the garbage of the site, they don't need to figure out a way to colonize Saturn roll

    Please take the time to read these.

    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/77717#post1681455
    http://blog.hubpages.com/2011/06/prepar … ess-panda/
    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/77245

    1. Cardisa profile image93
      Cardisaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Mike, I agree with you 100%.

      About the hub hopping thing, I too found that hub hopping brought me terrible content. I stopped doing that along time ago....well I tried it one day last week and the same thing happened...bad grammar, ridiculous content.....

      I don't want to leave HP, even though I am not earning any thing....well a total of about $6.00 in five months. smile

  30. Mikeydoes profile image76
    Mikeydoesposted 6 years ago

    Those views are still there.. and will continue to come. If they can get their Google traffic back, that is topping on the cake. In my honest opinion. The money they have made has only begun, internet is in it's infancy.

    Views are money, and they also know the views will come in the future.. No idea how many, but 20 million, or even 10 million is not a bad thing..

    1. lrohner profile image82
      lrohnerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think you get it. Yes -- 10 or 20 million views can be a very bad thing if it's not enough to pay the bills.

      1. Mikeydoes profile image76
        Mikeydoesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        I find that very hard to believe, I have no idea how they spend their money, but the fact is there is a lot of money coming in(not to mention that money is not even close to the money it will produce in the future). Those 20 million views WILL always be there, and like I said many people stop posting hubs and or removed their hubs. That takes out a big portion of the views as well.

        Yes, things can always go wrong.. sure.

        Not to mention, who said Hubpages isn't going to be back in full swing?!?

        1. lrohner profile image82
          lrohnerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          I never said HP wouldn't be back in full swing at some point. But if they are, I think it is years away and I don't believe it will be as you know it today.

          And are you seriously saying that you could take a cut in pay of over 50% and not feel the effects of that? Seriously? Really?

          1. Mikeydoes profile image76
            Mikeydoesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            You don't look at it the same way that I do and that is the key difference in why you don't get what I'm saying.

            Of course Hubpages took at hit. 20 million is STILL a great number, not to mention 5-6 years ago Hubpages was at zero views.

            Hubpages may be back faster than you think, just a little fyi.

            1. profile image0
              Multimanposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              I cdertainly share your hope, right now the revenue has gone down a little, the hubads had been making up the difference but I noticed a decline this month.

    2. livewithrichard profile image85
      livewithrichardposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      No, the views are less than half of what they once were and there is no way of getting that back in less than a year.

      Yes, the future will see an increase in page impressions, just not anytime soon.  I would put a conservative estimate of 2 years before HP regains what it has lost in traffic, but it will never regain the revenue it has lost from Amazon which I would guess at being significant ($100,000 - $250,000 per month.)

      I do not believe, as the OP fears, that Hubpages is going to close shop. If anything, they are going to move in another direction. 

      This is complete speculation but another scenario is that HP sells the company to a giant like Bing, in similar fashion as the Huffington Post sold to AOL.  That would be a game changer.

      1. PaulGoodman67 profile image97
        PaulGoodman67posted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Yes, I find that scenario perfectly possible, livewithrichard.  Another example might be MySpace, where they sold up once the company began to decline, but while they could still get a good price?

  31. sligobay profile image75
    sligobayposted 6 years ago

    I support Hub Pages and have written here for three years. I hope that they can work out a solution. I haven't earned money and hope that I am not part of the problem. I make all the changes that they "suggest". Hub Pages has a unique selling point in the quality of the community which their format has created. Its members share mutual aspirations of excellence and creativity. There is substantial mutual support built into the system.
    If Hub Pages want one thousand articles reviewing Google products, they can offer a bounty of one dollar for each 500 word article on the subject and will have their content within one week. They can do the same with a high value keyword such as "mesothelioma" the cancer caused by asbestos. There are thousands of lawyers paying $10.00 per clik. The existing writers might be the solution to the problems of Hub Pages and yet the greatest resource available to "the Company" are not recruited in the effort but offended by their process.

  32. Don Simkovich profile image59
    Don Simkovichposted 6 years ago

    I wrote my first Hub today in many months. I received notification about Amazon because I live in CA. That issue needs to be taken up with the state's brilliant lawmakers. I made almost zilch on Amazon anyway. I earned last month on Adsense and I was satisfied with the small amt since I haven't been on.
    Remember that what you write on Hubpages is your property, so it's possible to spin that in different ways. I really want to create an ebook (or series of them -- and heck, even print in how to formats for small business owners) and Hubpages will benefit me that way. I'm also writing fiction and am finishing up a novel.
    Regardless of what happens with HP (and I believe they'll be around) I plan on continuing to write with quality. So Mark Knowles is gone, huh? And Nelle Hoxie, too?

  33. Andrew0208 profile image58
    Andrew0208posted 6 years ago

    It is absolutely rediculous seeing any of such thread topic from a few who are less six months and 1yr here or do we have with us some Judas or hijackers amongst us always wanting the fall of this site using multiple IDs to harrass the usual peace, love and progress of this community. It would never work! I've written and hubbed here for over 3yrs and I can categorically state here that in my own experience, this is the best site I've ever come across as a passionate writer(I might not be a prolific writer). It is my no. 1 favorite site along with facebook and others in my arsenal, it's not all about making money online. Panda or no panda, Amazon affiliates issue with California or not; HubPages can only get better, Bigger and healthier! We have seen it happen at all times. Very innovative in nature. The idea of trying to wrongfully put words on someone's mouth is 100% evil and very unhealthy. Beware! What you sow, that will you reap.

  34. profile image51
    kimbojimposted 6 years ago

    I really doubt HubPages would close, because unless I am wrong, their model is extremely profitable.

    If I were HubPages, which I'm not, I would think of my expenses, which is basically just hosting and server space. Well, how do we thin that out? I know! We should delete poor Hubs or Hubs that haven't pulled in any visitors for a few months. If they aren't getting any traffic, then removing these types of Hubs won't really hurt the author, or HubPages.

    Since they get so much from AdSense, I can't see HubPages closing any time soon.

  35. thisisoli profile image73
    thisisoliposted 6 years ago

    About.com is a good gig, be careful though, there has been talk of them laying of guides due to recent loss in traffic. If you do get the position however it is definitely an easy way to earn some extra dollars.

    1. profile image0
      Baileybearposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      seems it's not wise to rely on the internet as a sole source of income

      1. theherbivorehippi profile image80
        theherbivorehippiposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Not wise? hmm Some of us make a very good living online. I would never take a job I had to actually go to again.

        1. profile image0
          Baileybearposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          just going by how many here that were relying on internet income only lost most of it with panda

        2. Trish_M profile image84
          Trish_Mposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Lucky you! Well done! smile

          Is this just on Hub Pages?

    2. Trish_M profile image84
      Trish_Mposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, that happened before, too ~ a few years ago, when there were some big changes and they streamlined things.

  36. Mark Ewbie profile image88
    Mark Ewbieposted 6 years ago

    Thanks Richard, some good tips there.  I might get the hang of this in about ten years.

  37. celebritie profile image86
    celebritieposted 6 years ago

    It may just be best to write for upfront payments. or contract your writing on sites like Elance.

 
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