The "Elite" -Is this a good title for HP volunteers?
Since a discussion concerning this subject on another thread was apparently disturbing some folks there--and I do agree it was off topic--I am taking Norah's advice and putting the question here. I didn't really know what topic forum to use but I suppose someone will move it if it is in the wrong place.
I've never liked the term "Elite" since it was introduced here at HP not so long ago. There are several reasons why I feel this way. One reason is because of my experiences on other writing sites. Their "volunteers" hurt a lot of folks only to be hurt themselves eventually.
Some thought because they had more perks--unknown to the members, of course, along with "pay"--and a special title to boot, they could run roughshod over the ordinary members. And did so. They also were told not to disagree with the sites new rules and to try and quell any dissent from the writers.
How do I know this for sure? One volunteer had a conscience and sent me copies of the volunteer's private forum threads. Needless to say, I blew the whistle on them. I forced the site's head guy to admit some of their volunteers were paid. Of course they booted me before I could tell what else I knew that was crooked.
Now I'm not accusing HP of being like those other sites as this is the best place I've found so far. I like it here or otherwise I wouldn't give a hoot if they called the volunteers Gods and Goddesses.
Another reason I don't like the name is because it's misleading to anyone either new on the site, or merely visiting to see what the site is about. Don't get me wrong, I think all of the volunteers are good folks, but I don't believe they are all representative of the best writers here. Some have a problem using the proper words in posts even though the words sound the same. I know, we all make mistakes on the forums but then, we don't sport a title indicative of superiority.
Okay, I'm finally finished. Care to wade in?
Thank you very much for your opinion, Cardisa. Personally, I would never volunteer for any job in which I would be forced to sport such a presumptuous title. I would be embarrassed in the extreme.
In fact, I think the very title keeps some members from volunteering because of the way it makes the site look. But as some have pointed out, there are always certain people who love to feel themselves above the rest. Sad but true. Thanks again as you are one of the few with the title who agrees with the common members here.
Randy - I dont no what the problem is. Reely - its a letter for goodnesses sake. You can get won four yourself ya no
On a serious note, I ASKED for the position of a voluntary greeter. I don't care if HP places a red slash over my avatar for it or if HP calls me a redhead stepchild for it....I want to be able to help others - the same help I got three years ago. The title means so little to me that I didn't think of the word meaning "better than the rest". Does this make me a bad person? Should I care that you don't approve of my request for this volunteer opportunity?Thankyou Sophia
What is wrong is the word 'elite'. It is elitist lol - it makes out those who carry the title are somehow better and more knowledgeable than the rest of us.
It would be wonderful if they were, and maybe some are, but not all.
To newbies or people struggling here, they may well find themselves listening to bad advice because they thought an 'elite hubber' knew what they were talking about.
That's funny, I don't feel ordinary!
And sure, no one's gonna volunteer for the title of "Volunteer". There's an art to getting free labor.
Marisa, if you read my post you would see where I said the title means little to me - not the word. You read more into the statement than was actually there. Congratulations
So if the title had been HubGarbagePerson you would have still applied for it?
Sure, why not? Even the garbage person has an important job
Internet trolls have an important job, plumbers have an important job, the person who scrapes dead animals off the road has an important job...I can go on and on. A title only has the power each person gives to it. You are making me sound very important right now. Thank youThat would be a FANTASTIC title for people who do their bit for the site in the Hub Hoppper. How about G, for garbage person, above two crossed spades!
What about PD for Pearl Diver? Ooops, that ones taken already! Sorry PD!
Wrong! I've summoned no one to this thread. I merely said the Elite were welcome to add their input. "Millionaires" huh?
"Enough is enough" "I have spoken"!
Sorry to have gotten so far behind on this forum thread but I've been over 50 miles away digging through old 19th century courthouse records all day for an article I'm working on and just got back.
No thanks, I would not dare to have such a title associated with me on any site, especially on a writing venue. And since the title doesn't have any meaning for you then no, I wouldn't expect you to care. I suppose you were thinking about the typewriter type size.
I don't believe they are paid and am not asserting they are. What do you mean by "tame"? Is the title supposed to be a reward? I have no problem if this is the case, but why not something more realistic? HubTroopers?
OOps! Sorry Richie! My fault!
Thanks for the input. So far, no one seems pleased by the name. But we'll see...!
That's because they were indeed "Top Hubbers", Marisa.
...i get what you are saying Randy...i usually don't pay attention...however, now that you've brought it up and caught my attention...the word 'elite' takes on an implied meaning...and yeah, V for volunteer, just like in any other volunteer organization makes perfect sense...cuz that's what they are called 'volunteers'...they normally are not called anything else but volunteer....been around volunteer organizations for a loooonnng time.
but whatever....i'll just let it rollllllllllll.......like rock and roll...wanna hear a song?...so you gotta double barrel with my name on it...kewl!There have been other members who were given the title without being asked who then requested it be removed because of the implication, whether intended or not, of them being superior to other writers in some manner. I do admire those people.
How about "HubBubs" ?HubBuds?....or Buds?
...back at ya!I don't know if they are all cool, or not!
"Hubbuhs" and "HubLettes"?or....hubbahbubbahs????? nah...implies something far removed from writing
I sort of like Hubbies and Hubbettes
HubBuds...sounds like part of my anatomy.................
Don't like these since I don't like carrots, can't see to well and hop quite badly.........plus my tongue isn't that large...
I'd settle for "Presidents"! No one really knows what that title means anyway!
Not bad, Lobo! I like it!
Thanks
I don't want the "Elite" to think they can't wade in with their opinions as I would be interested in how they feel about their title. I do appreciate the work you do and I don't want you to think otherwise.
Well, I don't want them to called "greeters" because it brings to mind those old folks shuffling shopping carts around at the entrance to WalMart. "Hosts" isn't too bad, though!
I'm just a pore ole dirt farmer and no net guru, but it seems to me it would be bad for business if possible new writers came to the forums and mistook the "Elite" for the best writers here (not that some aren't) and went elsewhere.
But then, perhaps they would think succeeding here is a piece of cake if they thought the Elite writers were the top of the heap. Like I said. "I'm just a........."
OK.......Until not too long ago I also felt confused and bemused by the title. Once I became an Elite, then I began to realize that it is more than just welcoming new members.
We agree to greet a predetermined number of new comers and comment on new hubs as well as to evaluate their work but the ultimate decision is always left to staff.
We are also available to answer any questions posed directly by new hubbers although this is mostly done via email or assist them in any way possible.
In a way we mentor or at least are available to mentor any new author if she or he so requests. We often flag profiles or hubs on a private screen if they are not quality pieces such as showing poor English usage, appear to be spam in both work & profile or either, write self serving articles, are underage or in any way violate the site's T.O.S
Sometimes we can also be asked to judge a contest, give an opinion, suggest new procedures and so on.
And NO we are not paid or given any other incentive than what is available to anyone else on the site.
As far as the title itself, the way I see it is just a word. Come up with a better one and staff will more than likely explore it..........Thanks for your opinion and job description, Luis. I meant it when i said I appreciate the work you guys do. I do some of the same things myself, including helping new members by private email.
So I know the work is much appreciated. But I have to disagree about the title. I'm not too sure you'd be pleased if they suddenly changed the title to "HubHelper". I wouldn't like it. But I could be wrong about the way you'd feel about it.
Thanks again for your point of view!Sophia Angelique; What makes you think that we get extra exposure or extra anything? Are you or have you ever been an Elite?, if not then do not assume.
If we were to some how get extra exposure then my views would have been skyrocketing by now instead of standing still.
The only "benefit" that I can fathom is that we get to see new hubs probably sooner than many others and our critique goes directly to the hub author and even then it is often done privately, thus offering an opportunity to said scribe to improve their article............
Even though the word "Mentor" still suggests someone more than capable of giving writing advice to newbies, it would be better than the present designation.
I still just feel it's just a word and nothing more, but do see where it could be assumed to mean something completely different and by the way Mentor sounds good.....
I say we call them all "Skippy!".
Sorry, I couldn't pass that one up.
paradigmsearch runs away...Too "peanut butterish!"
Just to give you an idea of some of the volume. I have been an Elite for about a month or maybe less can't be sure. Up to date I have greeted, commented, flagged etc about 1187 new hubbers/work..........
I commend you on your dedication, Luis! I do not envy you, though.
HubPatriot....? just point me to them redcoats sonny.......
They're just words, Luis! Remember?
Yes, sarcasm is indeed fun sometimes!- ......
Pretty ladies never interrupt......It's just a title given to some of us that denotes the performance of extra activities for the betterment of the site....
Elite are non-paid people who carry out certain tasks depending on the area in which they serve. I was invited to join the HubNuggets Team, a program that tries to help promote new writers on HubPages, long before the designation "Elite" came out.
We (the team members) have access to a data base of eligible hubs in each of three topics chosen for that week. We go through the hubs and choose at least three in each category, according to a strict criteria provided by HubPages, and submit our choices for consideration. Then one of us writes the round-up hub, much as Rose Mary did for the HubMob, makes the semi-final selection, and submits the weeks picks to staff for final vetting... and yes, there have been changes made to our final picks
It is a lot of work as some weeks there are hundreds of eligible hubs in a given topic. Do we read every one? No. Could we? No. We'd never get anything else done but we do our best to pick top-notch work every week. I, for one, enjoy being part of the team and working together. I particularly enjoy seeing the nominees gain viewers because of the contest. That's also why we make the Friday forum thread urging everyone to come out and "read and vote."
On that note... It is distressing to read that "elite" are power seeking snobs who think we are "above the commoners" because we didn't turn down the "e" - the wretched letter is only divisive if people make it so!
OK - maybe HP could have some up with a better name, but the way it was put to me is they wanted to show their appreciation for our efforts.
I do the work because I believe in it. I won a HubNuggets contest way back when, and it gave me a real boost - and the confidence to keep writing.
I would continue to serve on the team with or without any appellation, but I keep the letter because I refuse to be put off it by people saying unkind things about "elites" in the forums.I'm sorry if you took this as being mean, Red Elf. So far, I haven't heard anything "mean" said by anyone unless you are referring to my first post which mentioned poor usage of words by certain Elite. I was being honest about the way it made the site look and believe me, I'm not the first to notice this.
I know you guys in the HubMob work hard and I'm sure the others do too. This is not a personal attack against you guys. Let's face it, it was a poor decision by staff. They will probably not change it anyway, but at least they know how it appears to some of the writers here. Once again, I'm sorry if you feel insulted as that was not the intention of this thread.No one is against the Elite people, Lobo! Just the inappropriate title.
There you go! Not saying they are poor writers at all, though!
Yep, and when we eat all of them we're going for the marsupials in China!
But, did she bother to check?
I could not be an Elite because I get too annoyed when people are lazy and don't bother to read the help files.+ 1
Call a damn Spade a Spade!
I don't believe there are many left here anymore that are Worthy of the title 'Mentor'
- Many of those who I originally found were genuinely worthy of that Title became disillusioned by policy and site changes which effectively undermined the viability of their vastly more professional depth and approach to this industry! And before someone on staff wants to shoot me down for my candor... one of those people who I found worthy of the mentor title worked in HP.
As far as 'Elite' is concerned it is Factually a title that does deliberately imply One-Up-Man-Ship - To many of us it has a Negative influence as it does in many respects separate the community - which interestingly is a 'Tactical' management technique common to Autocratic enterprises, to ensure Control etc. - it is also actually an indication that the management of those enterprises chose (for whatever reasons) to remain opaque as opposed to transparent!
As I Said Call a Spade a Spade - Volunteers are volunteers! Certainly Nothing Elite about That!
If the spade principle was applied realistically then the letter 'V' or an inverted V would be the most appropriate and non-misleading! For those Vs that Do Merit a higher recognition than those few Vs that are highly inferior in their writing abilities.. then perhaps V1 - V3 may best indicate whether they are a Two of Spades.. Or the Ace!Wow, why do I suddenly find myself seeking out a game of poker?
I hear what people are saying here, but I must say I'm going to have to agree with Uninvited Writer's earlier comment on this one. It's neither here nor there for me, really. Like others have mentioned, I certainly respect and appreciate all the work they voluntarily do. I'm reminded of this weekly when I read the Hubnuggets... that's no small task!
A title is a title... we deal with them everywhere in the "real" world. HP is just a little microcosm.But would you actively seek to have this title because you feel it would add prestige to your name? I wouldn't and some who were given this title without being asked also asked for it to be removed. But as we know, some seek it because of the very reason others do not want it. There are always those who wish to be placed above others and HP is no different in this sense.
I actually think it causes some not to volunteer for this very reason. But again, this is merely my opinion.Damn.. if I'd written the previous post in Hearts.. then it may have been easier to appreciate where I was coming from! The points are valid and certainly not meant to undermine in any respect the work that most of the Vs do! Factually, a lot of us also do our bit as far as content theft, voting, hubhumping, despamming the forums and helping new members consider the importance of buying the drinks at fictitious Christmas parties....
It's not Sour Grapes or otherwise.. but I believe such status is unavailable to people like me.. who are consistently banned for attacking issues and forum trolls 'too passionately!' - or whatever..
btw... Good to see that you got YOUR Hubnugget accolade WS...
I wasn't ever awarded mine even though it was won a week prior to you!
Inconsistencies have a tendency to promote far more than may be intended, I believe.... including the presence of very poor decisions that negatively impact on positive things and people!Rob, I was just funnin' ya... about the spades and all.
As I said, I do get where people are coming from who take exception to the "Elite" title.
You never got your hubnugget accolade? Funny thing, the accolade I have is from a different hubnugget I won. I closed out my original account. That's weird that the accolades aren't retroactive... I wonder if others who won before the accolades were awarded are missing theirs as well? Sorry about that!Oh I knew that mate...
And I don't mind seeing good writers like you and several current 'Es' gaining recognition. There are though a lot here that don't - which is actually bad from the 'What makes a great site' perspective.
There are many good points made in this thread by a lot of people with a real collective experience.
I remember when I first joined here and as a newbie had to 'prove' myself in some respect to a community that absolutely positively rocked! So much so the CEO told the world that HP could not be... if Not For it's Community!
Within a relatively short period time.. that community got intentionally totally destroyed and decimated! Like many, I'm saddened by that!
Well, the name "Elite" would normally be self explanatory in any other situation so this is why I think it is a problem when it's used here. Even though I have been here a while when the designation first came out I too had to check out those who were given the title to see what made them special.
I assumed they were the cream of the crop as far as writers were concerned and indeed some are very good writers. But then I noticed some were fairly new with very little experience on the site. So even veterans didn't understand why the name was chosen at first. So no, laziness is not the reason the title is inappropriate. It should not be necessary to have to search to find out a word on a writers site doesn't mean what it should.
Exactly what I mean, Izzy! They are appreciated but not to the extent of the misleading title.
Actually, how about "elf" and "elves"? Won't even have to change the letter.
Edit: And "The Hubpages Elves" has a nice ring to it.Didn't you run away?.........Anyway I think I'm a bit too tall for that one......
Really...HubHelpers; sounds like santa's little helpers...naw. V; not bad although It reminds me too much of V for Vendetta, could give some the wrong idea...I kind of like hubbahbubbahs, maybe some ladies will ... let me stop before I get in trouble, guide; well...don't know about this one. Facilitator sounds pretty good but from experience it appears to be reserved for paid staff and I'm only getting paid in smiles and thank you's. P for patrol....only when I get to carry a water pistol and chew bubble gum. Aint' sarcasm great???
....................Ahwwww. I thought I was your bestes favorite Todd........Anyway It's way past my bedtime.....I need my beauty sleep not that it will do anything for me.....but I can always hope....................
Thanks
Just want to know, do the elite put their pants on, one leg at time, like the rest of us?
Great answer and
to the person who stated that.I knew there were crossdressers here!
Personally I don't care what you call them
Anyone can easily find out what the Elite stands for...but many just take things on this site at first view and never bother to do any research for themselves. I think it's much ado about nothing.BINGO!!!!!
Thanks UW.................
- Sophia Angeliqueposted 13 years ago
0Perhaps.. but it would appear that You Are missing the point being made, as you have taken it out of context!
Surely an E should know not to do that! As Writers on a Writer's Site.. calling Volunteers 'Elite' is offensive in my view and clearly in the views of other Lateral Thinking 'Others' also.
Call a spade a spade... the definition of that was posted by Sunforged.I don't understand what you mean by "Elite has exactly the desired effect". What is the desired effect you reference? Words have certain meanings, especially to writers I would hope.
Similar to your title here on HP. I don't know anything about you or your qualifications, but still your name insinuates you are somehow qualified to examine websites and offer advice which will help them succeed or at least do better at this craft.
Perhaps you are indeed what your name suggests but with all of the things going on on the net it takes a bit of research to tell anything about internet claims these days. not trying to disparage you in any way and I do appreciate your efforts, but perhaps you see what I'm getting at. So what does the word Elite mean to you as someone who judges the work of writers?I didn't say I disliked your user name, WE. Perhaps it's a comprehension issue rather than a mentality issue instead. Read Sunforged's many definitions for "elite" and indicate to me which one correctly describes the greeters here.
I fail to understand why using a title which doesn't correctly fit the job is so acceptable to those who depend on proper word meanings on a writing venue. Words are very important to me, but apparently not to everyone. Perhaps you are correct and it is indeed a mentality issue.This certainly is not a democratic site and we do not get to vote here, WE. But at least we do get to voice our opinions and I do appreciate HP for allowing us this small act. But you neglected to point out the definition of elite which you think is apt.
And this thread is not just for me. I'm trying to prevent something which has ruined other writing sites I've had experience with. Whether I'm successful remains to be seen. Thanks again for your input.
It is a False Representation of the Facts... unless of course you do factually Fit the Legally Recognized and Acceptable Interpretation of the Word!
If you don't and you find it funny that a Professionally Promoted Website boasting of the highest numbers of 'Writers' on the Net also believes that it is Legally & Commercially Prudent and Justifiable to Falsely Represent (albeit via Intimation) to the Public of the World that 'Hub Pages Elite' are somewhat superior to other writing members of the site... then I guess You deserve to be so Titled for that very reason... and paid for your 'volunteer' work!
Yes... It is a Constructive Argument and in point of law HP are Wrong! In my country, as with others, making False Representation of anything within a commercial structure to suggest that something is superior when factually it is not... usually amounts in 6 figure fines and retractions! We don't all have the same values do we?
Wow.. you are lucky having a + on yours 2uesday
I am laughing now, I thought I had signed up to a Google + something or other without being aware of it.
As predicted it has returned to 0 after I clicked on it. Thanks for updating me on this Izzy and Luis. Some days it feels like, I leave the room to make a cup of tea and when I return there is something new to figure out
- Sophia Angeliqueposted 13 years ago0
I suppose the Hubnugget thing is to give some new writers here a boost but I seldom read any of these hubs. I don't even know when this was started and am not sure it was even around when I first joined HP. But I have no problem with the program however they want to do it.
I'd rather everyone be eligible for the chance to be included and not just new members. Some never have the chance to get the accolade but that's no biggie to me.
Ho hum - it is just a word but ... but ... a real squirmy one.
I used to have the E, until I resigned it. Reckon it's a thing to live with on HP - it don't look like it's going anywhere, and some folks get to liking having that there badge RandyHey Andria! Glad you waded in on this touchy subject with your experience. Yep, a squirmy title at best! Sure, people are vain sometimes!
I think they should have a tiara above their avatar and their name inscribed by calligraphy. It should also be followed by 5 gold stars. Should get newbies attention that way.
The title is a little pretentious
(I couldn't even work out what on earth the 'e' stood for ages,lol)
Perhaps if under our avatars we had a coloured line denoting how long we had been a member would be helpful to new members (or appropriate to number of hubs written etc)...
For example 0-3 mths ,no line, 3-6 mths yellow line ,6-12mth red -12-24 blue,2yrs plus ,purple
( The plain no colour line people would be easy to visualise in a forum too)I want to know who tattooed D..kHead on my Avatar! I much prefer Bustard!
NOT ONE Newbie Has contributed to our Christmas Party!
Guess we could always superimpose our own letters r within our pics ,hehe
Im a gonna be a A+,havent seen one of those for awhileNeigh! I think not!
- Now if you only HAD a Forehead in your avatar.... perhaps an E would Fit!
Exactly so! Nothing against those afflicted with the title!
I too greet new people and flag articles of spammers or those containing low quality content. And no, I don't feel the need for a title to show I do so. But to each their own.
I don't seek traffic from the forums either. Traffic from here pays nothing I would think.
The word "elite" does seem to have a status connotation that to many is negative.
The "e" could just as well stand for "extra" because HP volunteers do go the extra mile to help out the community and new hubbers.
Or how about this visual? Does this grab anyone?Beavers? Not gonna touch that one, MM!
Whew. For a second I was afraid no one would get it.
Thank you, Randy.
My faith is restored.I ain't as dumb as I look, MM!
Yes, but you wouldn't like me to tell you where
I've said my bit... and factually I have been banned on HP for saying less in the past... which of course under HP Law dictates that I am Not Entitled to be referred to as anything above a Substandard member here!
Put It This Way.... If I was a Potential Investor in this Site if it wants to follow FB and List.... Then I would Certain Question the things that I question! 99% of Prudent People would! Perhaps as a potential investor in such a listing, it would be prudent to listen to what the Investors would like to see happen to spruce up the BS and create a professional approach suitable for such 'elite' players!
Have a good day Y'all!What? because we've been banned we can't volunteer to work for no pay? I'm cool with that!
It's got to this stage now, I think:
Do you think it should be closed? Or has everyone had a chance to add their 2 cents worth by now? It really doesn't make any difference though because, as I stated earlier, it's not as though this is a democratic site anyway. So the mods will do as they please with it no matter what we want.
I dunno about closing it - I think it will run its natural course eventually after everyone has had their say. And it may be resurrected from time to time, when newbies find it.
One caveat about adopting an alternative moniker that uses the letter "H", though:
- Arlene V. Pomaposted 13 years ago0
No one is suggesting they not volunteer, as far as I know! Why would we care?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IbjMKPGv4Y
Ubetcha, Habee!
For those who wonder what it's like behind the "elite" scenes of the Hub Pages volunteer world, come on in and get your groove on!Good answer
If you don't really want to call attention to yourselves then you'd want the E removed. Simple. And it's easy to find out what the E stands for and only then does the implication of superiority begin. And many community members have already stated they appreciate your work and help out themselves.
I don't have access to the stats on this but I do flag, comment, etc.
Venture away. Unfortunately, there are some people (unlike myself of course)who are fearful of going against the establishment-HP staff, Elite--and won't dare post in a forum topic such as this because of possible recriminations which might affect their livelihood or reputation with the company. Surely you should know this, MM.
But you have a title indicating you are indeed better. What?No problem, MM. I didn't intend to imply you guys reported anyone or flagged posts no more than any normal hubber would. I've never thought you had extra powers or influence with staff either. But if you did I might see the Elite title as being more correct in the staff's view!
Finally, someone who admits they think the name is apt! Coincidentally, an Elite! What are the odds? Thanks for your honesty, Haunty.
I have no dog in this fight, but I will say the "elite" title to me has always been somewhat offensive. Not those who bear it, but just have always thought it was an odd choice of words. When I first started writing here, some jerk in the forums said I had an "elitist" look about me. That I found truly offensive. Besides the fact that nothing could be further from the truth, that was one of my first welcomes to Hubpages. Is it any wonder once I saw the E next to Hubbers' names, it gave me pause? There are great writers here on HP who will never have the big E next to their names and I consider it misleading at best and insulting at worst. But I don't lose any sleep over it, too many more important things to worry about.
No kidding! I got banned for a week for asking someone if they would like a soda cracker!
Don't you know you can't use the word cracker these days?
Well, saltine is not a word I learned in school here in the south. You northerners speak differently!
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