'Innocence of Muslims'
Riots, scaling of embassies and killing American diplomats.
Wonder if the filmmaker is pleased with the critical reaction to his work?
Then again, gotta wonder if the film is just a red herring...
- Emile Rposted 11 years ago
0Brilliant! But I am not sure if people really will get that sarcasm.
Did I get it right?
Yes!
Words & pictures are just symbols for ideas.
When I write the word horse - there is no horse - my horse in my mind is different that the horse in your mind.
Optical illusion: Looks Arabic - is in English
I can draw a picture. I see colors and shapes - you see the same color and shapes in a different way.
Hey! That picture is upside down! Can you read what it says?
I can see all these people standing up from their chairs and twisting their head around to read this picture....
@nightwork4
i dun gv a damn abt ur personal feeling!! no one do so!!!
to b real n factual christianity z out dated modified changed 4 one's comfort!! not Islam wich havnt been modified by a single letter!! u need a real lyf dude! u r in a fantasy n dilemma wich western media z portraying!! fuck u haters!!! back bitting n hating means Islam z getting more n more stronger n going up! which u people r trying to get it down!!! haha
(dat) its my own analogy if u dun lyk it dun read it!
haha! see when i abused u wat hv u done? abused me in return!!! n u people say to stay calm incase anyone abuses u!! y is it not implementd in ur case?? hypocritesss!!!! when v get angry on dat movie they say its fun! bt here see 4 urself hypocritess!!!!!
u dun hv an inch ov a knowledge abt Islam n m sure even abt christianity i know christianity more dn u do kiddo!!!! so welcome to d new kitten in d ground!!!! n people lyk u shows us d modifications n false christianity!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alas!!!! so sad!!!
i dun want 2 go in christianity coz it has so many errors dat u never gonna answer or clearify!! else u gonna cry to face d reality!!! lol
I say it again mark, i am a Pakistani, and you're really good at English. So can we stop playing this game of words and get back to the topic.
People who are easily offended are thought of as brittle and thin-skinned. Laughing it off is a sign of your belief systems is deep and personal and the offending person is stupid & thoughtless.
Please tell me why no protests against the Islamic TV show that broadcasted it?
Hypocritical protesting - explain that!
http://voices.yahoo.com/images-jesus-mo … 84826.html
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This art is already destroyed but the guy is still being sued because
"Zuma,a Zulu polygamist who has married six times, has four current wives and 21 children & once stood trial for and was acquitted of rape said: "The portrait depicts me in a manner that suggests I am a philanderer, a womanizer and one with no respect."
Thank you for replying. I am glad that you are willing to respond in this mostly (look at the other threads) non-muslim website. As we all know - there are a lot of illogical extremist 'christians' who are thought of as crazy by the rest of us. We have neo-nazis, KKK, skinhead, anti-mexican immigration, and some even more disgusting cults.
You said that for muslims the ultimate provocation is depiction of Muhammud. US citizens believe that Freedom of Speech is the ultimate right. That's why it's number 1 in the Bill of Rights. It's practically a religion to be able to speak, think and feel no matter what others say.
What if you are a American Muslim? How do they reconcile these two things in their mind? Both are important tenets. Respect yes, but freedom to say things is even better in my eyes. If 100 people in the room say 'such and such' is "perfect" - and I disagree - I should be able to make a point without getting killed over speaking my mind.
A wide range of ideas are openly discussed. The most viable rise to the top and the least viable fade away. .....
I wish to ask you a favor. If you are arabic speaking please find news that tells the rest of the world why there are no people protesting at the al nas. There must be a reason why. Even if it is a illogical reason.
To me, it would be like a priest in front of a church repeating something that somebody else said and then saying "Kill any person for saying that!", when he just said it himself. It's suicidal.
Then I was thinking another thing. What if the entire human race was Muslim, and there was no Jihad left to do? I would think that Muslim were turn against each other. Not because they are Muslim but it is a human trait to keep dividing Us VS Them.
On Easter Island where everybody was the same - they divided between the Long Ears and the Short Ears for those in power and the slaves.
The heretic
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said, "Stop! Don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well, are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are your Christian or Buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, Me too! Are your Episcopalian or Baptist? He said, "Baptist!" I said, "Wow! Me too! Are your Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord? He said, Baptist Church of God!" I said, "Me too! Are your Original Baptist Church of God or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God!" I said, "Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum!" and pushed him off.
Does not in any way, shape or form excuse the extremists, though.
As someone(s) have said elsewhere here today, if you're looking for a fight, you will always find one.
If you throw chum into the water, you gotta expect sharks.
Spreading protests in the Sudan against British & German Embassy show that protesting is the job of the frustrated jobless. Remember Occupy Wallstreet, when the protesters were mocked as jobless hand out seekers?
Germany & Britain had nothing to do with this - so why are the Sudanese storming the embassies? Even though I don't know what I'm talking about I had a feeling that this was intended to incite riots in Egypt to end the 'Arab Spring' - and I got some of the guess right.
"The operation behind this film appears to be extreme Egyptian Copts who want to discredit the Morsi government and create a provocation," journalist Max Blumenthal told Al Jazeera on Wednesday." - http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur … 70525.html
Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood started the Arab Spring.
Abenob Nakoula Bassely (on probation for a bank fraud conviction), posed as Sam Bacil is not a Israeli real estate developer but linked to the hate group called American Coptic Assembly not to be be confused with the The Coptic Assembly of America (CAA)
Morris Sadek of the National American Coptics Assembly is the promotor and possibly translator to Arabic in order to destabilize the Muslim brotherhood government of Egypt.
Islamophobics "the film itself doesn't matter. It was not the cause of these riots and murders. The film was on YouTube for months before the Muslim rage over it began, and that rage was clearly carefully planned and orchestrated. " - http://mondoweiss.net/2012/09/coptic-ch … rally.html
slain U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens
<TOS violating image removed>Released in July 2012 - ignored but then clips were aired on Egyptian television on Sept. 8, 2012.
Why aren't there protests against the Egyptian TV for broadcasting it? Aren't they Muslims doing the same thing that they are protesting about? It seems planned to have such huge protests against UK and German embassies that don't even have nothing to do with it.
It's a dodge or blind - who is really pulling the strings?
Ask why the Egyptian TV Broadcast it? Has anybody asked that?
Why isn't the Islamic TV broadcaster in trouble for showing it on TV? Why aren't there protests against the TV host?
"Sheik Khaled Abdalla
A fiery Egyptian TV host on the Islamist satellite TV channel al-Nas, Abdalla is reported to have set off the outrage when he broadcast a clip of the movie trailer that showed the man playing Muhammad. After he showed the video on Sept. 8, the Atlantic Wire reports, online views of the video soared. According to the Guardian, Abdalla drums up outrage among his audience by homing in on perceived threats to Islam and intensifying them. http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/13/fri … z26VehwDWV
Sheikh Khaled Abdalla. wants to see much more harsh imposition of Sharia or Islamist law.
"Earlier this week, a complaint was filed against Al-Nas for allegedly inciting strife between Muslims and Christians in an unrelated incident." http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 … s-diplomat
This unrelated incident: "This complaint, which is dated 5 September ...the channel and the presenter have taken the path of inciting strife between Muslims and Christians which is proved by the fact that the channel allowed some who claim to be preachers of Islam to attack Christians using the vilest of language.”" - http://thedailynewsegypt.com/2012/09/09 … s-channel/
Looks like Rush Limbaugh's got some competition.
Please read my reply above your post to Billy Hicks....Im tired of repeating myself. I only have my words to condemn the violence with. I cant physically go stop them.
And no,I disagree. Being offended is my right as much as its your right to disagree with me. The right to stay alive is higher, and which is why for the billionth time i say that the killing of innocent people and the destruction of their property is WRONG.
"The film depicts Muslims as violent and reactionary. The violence proves the film to be true. "
To this, I will quote myself from the previous post:
"The video proved nothing. Let me give you an example. Lets say i want to prove a point that your pet dog yelps, growls and barks too much. I go and cut off its tail, or just break its leg. It will yelp, growl, bark and it will do that for HOURS in pain. Will my point be proven then?
Come on man think logically. You provoke someone with the most offending thing they know about, then when they react in anger, you say "Hey, point proven. You're a savage". Your logic is flawed."
However, you say the truth needs no defending. I agree but you have to realize if someone's mother isnt a whore, saying that to his face might not elicitate a silent response.
P.S: I thank you for your reasonable way of talking. We can make progress on it further. Please ask me if you have further queries, Ill try to answer to the best of my knowledge.
Excellent. You would not choose violence when your prophet is insulted. Well done. The more Muslims like you the better. Soon this religion will be eradicated.
We'll see.
Education will get it. Just like it is getting Christianity.
You cannot hold such ridiculous beliefs in the face of actual knowledge. Might fly in places like Pakistan for a while - but - the Internet will kill it.
Still did not answer my question - well done.
ok since it's getting late her so I am asking you for the last time, what question are you refering to?? since you've finished off your every comment with a question.
Dear me.
Not going to ask it again - I already have the answer I suspected.
Wikipedia differs with you on whether or not the Quran has changed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Quran
And the comparison with the Bible isn't entirely fair. Different versions of the Bible are different translations. The King James Version, considered by many to be the canonical English translation, dates to the 16th century, whereas the New International Version, the most commonly used today, is a 20th century version of the KJV in a modern vernacular. But that doesn't change the message it contains.
Also, the Bible is not, nor has it ever claimed to be, a single work by a single person. It is a collection of works from several centuries and several authors, with other books (the Apocrypha) not included in standard Bibles but still considered holy works. (Believers, feel free to correct me)
As for education, yeah, education in the US sucks. But we have freedom of speech.
BTW, I'm not a Christian, I'm an atheist. I think all of you are crazy.
Umar, Mark is just being naughty. Don't mind him..
Cheers!
Assalamu Alaikum, Xain Shah. May the spirit of Muhammad always flourish in your heart.
I understand your personal beliefs and your respect for the prophet Muhammad. However, I am curious about your claim “Islam is the world's fastest growing religion right now on the basis of conversions per year.” What is your source of this conclusion? Why do you believe this statement is true? While there is ample evidence the Muslim population is growing, net conversions do not seem to be the cause.
Scholarly research reported by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life projects the growth in the Muslim population globally to be slower than the previous two decades. “While the global Muslim population is expected to grow at a faster rate than the non-Muslim population, the Muslim population nevertheless is expected to grow at a slower pace in the next two decades than it did in the previous two decades.” {1} The same data indicate “In the United States, for example, the population projections show the number of Muslims more than doubling over the next two decades, rising from 2.6 million in 2010 to 6.2 million in 2030, in large part because of immigration and higher-than-average fertility among Muslims.”
However, research data suggest you may be mistaken about conversions. “What little information is available suggests that there is no substantial net gain or loss in the number of Muslims through conversion globally; the number of people who become Muslims through conversion seems to be roughly equal to the number of Muslims who leave the faith.” {2} As a result, the rate of conversions is NOT a direct factor in the projections of Muslim population growth.
Based upon these studies, you may need to reconsider your assumption “the facts say that there is SOMETHING in Islam that continues to draw more and more people into it constantly.”
I am looking forward to reviewing your source or sources that claim conversions are a major cause for the global increase of Muslims in the world.
{1} http://www.pewforum.org/The-Future-of-t … ation.aspx
{2} http://www.pewforum.org/future-of-the-g … rsion.aspxThanks.
I find it disrespectful to watch any video that humiliates or unsults any religion. Thats what Islam is about, and you totally fail to see. We respect everyone. As for you saying that thing about the terrorists.... Please dont blame islam for every action that any terrorist does while declaring they are muslims. Tell me what would happen if alqaida convetred to christianity? Would all of the peaceful christianity suddenly be terrorists? How about if all islamic scholars globally declare the terrorists as non muslims? Would your belief in islam as the religion of terrorists change in just one day?
I can argue about Islam being better than Christianity, but at the moment it is not the topic of concern and will only create further discussion and dispute. Also, I might not be qualified enough to defend it myself. But please answer the questions i just asked.That is awesome. How do you show adulterers that you respect them? What does the Quran say about unbelievers? Can you be friends with them or should you avoid them and never be friends?
Respect:
Unbelievers
"Rather you wish to put questions to your Apostle, as Musa was questioned before; and whoever adopts unbelief instead of faith, he indeed has lost the right direction of the way."
Believers who come to reason
"Surely, those who disbelieve after their believing, then increase in unbelief, their repentance shall not be accepted, and these are they that go astray."
"And let not those grieve you who fall into unbelief hastily; surely they can do no harm to Allah at all; Allah intends that He should not give them any portion in the hereafter, and they shall have a grievous chastisement."
How is that respect?
And I certainly suggest you avoid the Internet in future. Perhaps that is the answer? Because there is a lot of disrespect towards religion around.
At that time only Europeans thought the earth to me flat. An ostrich egg is nothing like the earth. It is completely the wrong description. Do you not see that.
True!....
False light laws are "intended primarily to protect the plaintiff's mental or emotional well-being."
Doesn't really apply to dead people does it?look at tiz genious!! groundless criticism z prohibited!!!!! these r civil law jurisdiction rather than false light laws!!! Man u r hilarious ROFL
trying so hard to prove ur point but invain hahaha
In common law jurisdictions, slander refers to a malicious, false,[2][not specific enough to verify] and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images.[3] Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism. Related to defamation is public disclosure of private facts, which arises where one person reveals information that is not of public concern, and the release of which would offend a reasonable person. "Unlike [with] libel, truth is not a defense for invasion of privacy@leanman
i cn gv u sources to read n study n u vl find d truth!! watch d movie (THE MESSAGE) on Muhammad PBUH u vl know d difference i dun hv to prove or disprove u vl know 4 urself!!!
btw Jewish lobby never gonna allow me to get to court coz they own america
Sorry - it is not possible to quote this book "in context," - the man who wrote it married a 9 year old child - yes? Yet you defend that with vigor.
Please feel free to add the necessary "context" in that case. You guys are worse than the Christians. LOL They use "scripture to interpret scripture," to say their book does not means what it says.How have I insulted your beliefs? Please stop lying about me - I have not insulted your beliefs. I asked what you would do if I "disrespected," your prophet.
I also did not say context did not matter. Please read what I wrote.
Feel free to pray away - I hope it makes you feel better.
You have not reasoned with me - I am a reasonable person. Believing the things you believe and claiming that the worst a person could to to offend you is to disrespect a dead prophet is not reasonable behavior.
If you are going to claim "reason, I suggest using it.You have the good sense to know a troll, but you been feeding the troll for a day.
That's how I look at the guy who did the movie. He was a troll, he wanted to show how violent the Muslims are - and the protesters walked right into his trap - by rioting against Germany & Britain that had nothing to do with it.
OK folks - lets put this in real world perspective.
The so-called 'christians' who protest at military funerals which most people find abhorrent.
So far they have not been killed off. But I sure don't agree with the Supreme Court that they should be allowed to protest such HATEFUL things at a person's funeral!!!!!
That's America.
Westboro Baptist Church today vowed to "quadruple" the number of protests at military funerals around the country ....vowed today to defy a new bill signed by President Obama that would require that they be kept at least 300 feet from a soldier’s funeral.
Ah - personal attacks. Sorry you did not understand. Odd you also ignored the fact that he did indeed answer me - well after your redundant comments.
You are real brave though. I am certainly impressed.
Your ignorance is quite astounding. They simply moved into politics and Corporations.
The RCC is still one of the driving forces in Europe.
Odd you guys who insist on hiding your real identity know so little. Christianity - as a whole - has focused on expanding it's influence and financial holdings.LOL How far back can I go? You think I am arguing they are still doing that? Please quote me.
I have tried my best to answer every question that was directed at me as well as every question that was indirectly left answered by umar and adnan. Ive also tried to add on to their explanations where I thought I could. Despite that, I am just one person arguing with a lot of you people here, most of which are absolutely not interested in anything that I have to say and just enjoy laying the blame on me, Islam and my Prophet. I have tried to answer with logic in every post I could. But my questions dont get answered....I see a very stubborn attitude on the part of most of you posting here except for a few.
Despite all that, Im not hopeless. Im here to defend my faith, to formally protest against the video and to discuss and reason this issue out with all of you who want to do it. As I said, Im alone here. I cannot keep track of everyone, I cannot answer every question because more posts pop up each day which I feel I have to reply...and therefore my list of "posts to reply to" is increasing. For those of you who would actually like to do a logical debate on the matter, I think we should discuss it outside of this forum. To be honest, I am new here, and I dont find the format very convenient at all.
It is my recommendation that anyone interested can contact me on skype or maybe facebook. We will discuss it like reasonable people. At the end of the day, perhaps neither of us will change our beliefs, but maybe you will understand our side of the matter a bit more clearly than we have been able to explain it so far. Also, we will get to know each other on a slightly more personal level. That will help us communicate.
If you agree to my proposition, kindly post a reply as a comment, with your skype or facebook, whatever is convenient for you. Also, Im interested in knowing your religious beliefs just out of curiosity, so kindly mention that too. Ive seen atheists here..and a christian or two. Im interested in knowing who's who, since as you all know, im a Muslim.
P.S: If you dont want to publicly reveal your skype/facebook, kindly tell me of a way to privately contact you. Im new here..I dont even know if we can send messages on hubpages or not.
And the last word. I am specifically interested in the following people: ptosis, HowardBThiname, pisean282311, mark knowles, twosheds1, Quilligrapher.http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news … ntiment-qa
I think that Obama was made President with a rigged US Election back in 2008 used as a sock puppet to show Islamic world that the US is 'reformed' because had a 'muslim' in the white house.
What I don't understand is even Muslims are using the same language the media is feeding them that is it the movie when it's really about long standing US policy that is really pissing them off.
Many Muslims abroad have been disappointed after heightened expectations that US policy in the Middle East would be different under President Obama.
Let's talk about what is really going on,
2/3 Americans do not think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were worth the cost (and) .... have worsened relations with the Muslim world.
Is freedom of speech a license to obscenity? Yes! and I disagree with above poster. See Lenny Bruce
The Clash of Civilizations: Uncompromising values on both sides.
Muhammoud was not shown in The Onion's extremely pornographic cartoon and "members of the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths were offended by the image upon seeing it then they simply shook their heads, rolled their eyes, and continued on with their day.- Rad Manposted 11 years ago0
The US now says that the heavily armed men terrorists that fired rocket-propelled grenades used the spontaneous violent protest as a dodge or blind to hide in plain sight looking for any chance or excuse to attack.
Thousands of Libyans protested against extremist militias during "Rescue Benghazi day".
Free speech has exceptions that may vary in different countries. In Germany Nazi symbols are banned which extreme Islamic fundamentalists claim is a unfair double standard.What's worse?
Militarists fomenting war in Libya during a protest, or the rest of us who were so easily duped by world media into believing that 20 nations protested about not enough restrictions on free speech?
Notice Saudi Arabia didn't have any protests - and that's where the strictest wahhabi Islam originated!
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