Honestly, apart from the coronavirus topic being all over the news, I just received 3:5 hubarticle notices about the same thing! (If you don't have the virus, the subject itself will kill you.)
I'm totally tired of it. Plus, everyone at work panicking and wanting to shut the place down and I'm just thinking How am I going to pay the rent if they do. Fortunately management has decided not to shut it down unless a bill is passed to tell us to do so.
Thank goodness, Nate, it sounds like your management team has a little common sense. Testing for the virus when someone seems to be developing symptoms would be one step before the drastic measure of closing. Of course, no one is talking about exercise, affirmations, and building the immune system with herbals and raw green juices. Thank you for sharing your work experience on the matter. Have a miraculous, healthy day!
I wish to thank everyone who responded to my little "rant." I view this coronavirus thing rather like a snakebite--the more one panics, the faster the poison travels.
Have a happy, hopeful day, everyone. I'm now unfollowing this thread. I think we all did a good job of offering our perspectives. Blessings!
When (if) it gets closer to home you may find it more interesting. I've just driven through France to get home to the UK, and believe me, I was glued to the radio for every news bulletin going. And I still am. I could find myself in lock-down any day now.
I don't know exactly how long, Sheila, but it's not going to last. Go easy on wheat products--viruses love gluten.
I'm not afraid of the virus itself, but afraid of passing it on to others who have other medical problems, making them very susceptible. One of my friends has to take immuno-suppressants, a neighbour's child is having chemotherapy treatment.
You can only pass it on, Sheila, if you absolutely are a carrier. If you are doing a good job of keeping your immune system in good shape, you are not going to pass it on to anyone.
In my humble opinion, your friend should be using alternative healing methods as opposed to that immuno-suppressant, but each to his or her own. I do hope that chemotherapy treatment ends for that child soon, too.
The most dangerous person is the one who is not qualified to give medical advice but who tells people not to follow what their doctors tell them to do. In this crisis, doing so can lead to illness and death Anybody can be a carrier and transmission is dangerously easy. Going off an Immuno-suppressant when you have serious health problems is very dangerous. Sorry, but your advice is both bad and dangerous.
The UK government has told all over 70s to self-isolate for 12 weeks - until the peak is expected to have passed. I’ve already been doing it for 2+ weeks, so 14 + weeks for me. Take solitary walks in nearby nature park - amazed that the few other walkers are not observing the advice about social distancing. You should avoid contact with the people who you mention, who would be self-isolating if here in the UK.
I am in the UK! And I have been self isolating since I came back from France. I don't think it will all be over in 12 weeks, I'm afraid.
The goal of most governments right now is to lower the peak so that there is sufficient capacity for hospitals to cater to the sick. I would assume (not sure) that most governments know that 12 weeks is not going to get rid of it. It's already 6 weeks or so since it began spreading in Italy.
Glenis, I applaud your common sense. If only others took this view and followed guidance. I wouldn't like to hazard a guess at how many lives are being placed in jeopardy by people ignoring guide lines.
Yes, I think we are all weary of the subject and the depressing news, but it pays to keep up to date with what's going on. It will save lives. Keep well, Glenis and everyone else too.
Yes. It is a big deal based on the media and those who carry panic and fear. Nate, you have a smart boss. Marie, turn off the news and avoid social media, that is what I do. I only check it to find out the latest mandate and to reaffirm the death toll is still drastically low in numbers compared to other viruses and health-related deaths.
With that, we are all feeling the brunt of this fiasco. It's devastating to see the local theaters close down with my daughter in tears because she is simultaneously working on three of those shows. So much hard work goes into creating these productions: auditions, learning your lines, songs, late-night rehearsals on top of school work, and a part-time job, lack of sleep, all for not. What does a mother do? We have to find the silver lining as best we can. We have to make the best of it, even if that sounds corny. Because if we don't, we will spiritually crumble.
My heart absolutely goes out to your daughter, Kenna. Putting a theatrical play together is hard work. Maybe do some skit presentations based on scenes from the play(s) in the home? Invite friends into the home, have hand sanitizer in the bathroom(s) with paper toweling, and offer freshly squeezed green drinks for refreshment. Whatever it takes...
Blessings in Love and Light!
Hugs to you and your daughter, Kenna. Parents have the hardest job right now.
All anybody has to do is ask him or herself this question: Is the sacrifice I'm making going to save a life? If so, is it worth making? People who are exposing themselves blatantly and doing things that open them to the virus simply are not thinking about the consequences. Me? I'll stay in my house for as long as it takes if it means I can avoid horrible sickness and death. I know what it is to lie in a hospital bed gasping for air. I don't want to die that way,and neither should anybody else.
Good afternoon miss Marie flint. You made me laugh. The words,You used. It is true. I am not tired. I need to know what to expect from this terrible epidemic virus. Information is important to return at the correct time to work. I got love. I have bills to pay. I love God. I love myself. I wish you a great afternoon and a good week.
I'm glad I was able to give you a chuckle, Erorantes. I'm glad you are not tired. I recommend, however, that we expect NOTHING from this virus. Not to be like ostriches with their heads in the sand, but take care of basics. And, yes, if you've had a lock-down at work, you will need to know when to return. I think creditors are going to realize accounts receivable will be delayed in many instances.
You have a great afternoon and week also!
I totally agree with you marie. refined sugar is also an immuno-suppressant and needs to be avoided. but this whole virus fear thing is a media propaganda thing. Who knows what kind of politics is behind it. I could say some things but don't want to start an argument. but when H1N1 hit about 5 or 6 years ago under Obama, such drastic measures were not taken. These kinds of viruses come thru periodically and such has never been done before.
Thank you, Doneta, for your input. Yes, I think the white, refined sugar is even worse than the gluten. It was interesting too that our president at first called it a hoax. I did note that the Chinese doctor who originally warned about this new virus was scoffed, but then he died from the virus himself. Viruses do mutate, and our bodies adapt for the most part.
Doneta, I don't want to start an argument either but there are no "politics behind it". The death rate for the H1N1 flu was .02%. There were less than 13,000 deaths in the US from H1N1. The death rate for COVID-19 is 3% which could result in millions of deaths in the US alone.
...and you know this how? I hope you're keeping your distance from people.
Hi Marie, not tired of it yet. I'm a news junkie. But besides that, I'm trying to keep informed with the updates because things change literally ever hour with the impact of COVID-19. I find the information from the expert medical professionals and public health officials very helpful. I was able to use that information today to help calm a 2 clients' anxieties about catching the virus.
My husband said to me today, "Do you know it's not good to keep watching this?" I said, "Yes, I know. I sent my clients links on what to do to decrease anxiety like turning off the news." I reminded him about the article I wrote ("Breaking News") which talks about our addiction to watching. So yeah, I know. But I still don't tire of it. I'm just invested in keeping informed, especially in critical times such as these. Thanks for the question, Marie.
This internet article states the death rate from covid 19 is 1.4% and gives an explaination for that rate. very good article based on research from the Imperial College London.
Everything needs to shut down, to lessen the spread. But, as long as people keep acting like its "business as usual" things will get a lot worse for us. This is truly the stuff of nightmares.
here is an article based on an interview with Dr. sara salman of the world health organization that says the h1n1 had a higher mortality rate than coronavirus
A tweet from the WHO posted in January says (paraphrased), "There is no evidence that this virus can be passed between humans."
I wouldn't trust that incompetent bunch as far as I could throw them.
I have not come across that post, but if they did make it, would you rather they make comments based on fact or fiction?
Facts would be good... this one obviously wasn't.
They clearly say "conducted by the Chinese authorities" and China until the 20th of Jan stuck to that statement.
"Li and others knew in December the virus was spreading through human contact. But the government publicly denied it until Jan. 20. The World Health Organization tweeted Jan. 14, “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.” Such lies helped the virus spread more quickly than it should’ve, as Wuhan authorities OK’d a potluck banquet involving tens of thousands of people." Source: https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/chinas-ne … ng-the-us/
So, the WHO did post facts. The fact that this fact was knowingly false falls on the Chinese government and not the WHO.
I know what it says, Brandon. It's still unforgivably irresponsible for the WHO to post that information without obtaining independent verification of the facts. It's not as if the Chinese government has a clean record when divulging information.
Subsequent events have proved this tweet to be devoid of facts. Had other governments, scientists, authorities known about this from the start, then we wouldn't be dealing with this now. The WHO should take its share of responsibility for spreading misinformation.
The WHO did not share any misinformation because it clearly says AS REPORTED BY.
The WHO would be able to conduct independent studies if they are allowed to. What the Chinese government did is irresponsible. The WHO did the right thing of reporting things as they were to the best of their knowledge at the time.
I disagree with you on this and I would say they need to be applauded for their work and on being unbiased in their reports.
Oh well, it doesn't look like many people agree with your p.o.v.
Luckily for us, it is not the majority of the people on Twitter that make big decisions. If they did, there would be government statements asking for people to hoard toilet paper. But in this case, most that I see blame China and not the WHO on the thread you sent me. Maybe Twitter shows liberal people liberal comments/news, just like other social media, who knows.
I'm surprised that you do not see what the words "as reported by" stand for. The WHO has no blame in this. If you write an article based on some research and you quote someone, do you take the blame for that research being wrong, when at the time of you writing it was the best knowledge on the topic out there?
Back to your statement where you say had others known we would not be dealing with this now. The US and the UK knew very well what it was before their heads of state called it a hoax and wanted it to spread to build up herd immunity respectively. China is to blame for their false reporting, but the other countries' heads of state are equally at fault.
"As reported by..." is no excuse. That might be fine for news agencies, article writers, etc. but not from the WHO. People look to it for reassurance. They had no business putting this 'reassurance' out unless they had scientifically and independently verified it. It's called The World Health Organization - it utterly failed in its prime directive.
Interestingly, China is the second largest donor to WHO after the US.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/did-worl … 00023.html
I didn't say that Twitter users make big decisions - I said they don't agree with your view. And I don't remember being told by the UK government that CV19 was a hoax. I've not seen anyone say it is a hoax (except on HubPages topical forums).
They never reassured anyone, they just reported. Huge difference. I can understand the difficulty though, people have forgotten what reporting is when everyone just spews their opinions as fact.
This is the goal of the WHO: "Our primary role is to direct and coordinate international health within the United Nations system." Their main goal is not to do the research themselves, even though they do fund and conduct some research themselves.
Here is Trump calling it a hoax: https://factba.se/transcript/donald-tru … ry-28-2020
Here is the UK suggesting herd immunity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XRc389TvG8
I never said the UK called it a hoax, I mentioned the US and the UK and specified the way they took it, hoax and herd immunity respectively.
Where did Trump call it a hoax? Did he not say that the fake news industry is blowing this out of proportion?
Is that incorrect? 40,000 people die of the flu, 2 Americans die of coronavirus, ipso facto coronavirus is much more dangerous?
Not sure if they are blaming the German PM for this yet, but here in Brazil everyone is convinced it is our presidents fault. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal … SKBN2152FK
Yesterday I heard a Whatsapp recording of a local woman blaming our mayor for the outbreak. He is a physician, so of course it is his fault.
Here is his tweet: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta … 6642390022 fake news, hoax, whatever he chooses to call it, he thought it was no big deal even though on the day he made the announcement it was well known that it was a threat, even to the average American. He has since then accepted this threat and last I read is considering universal basic income for said average Americans due to this threat.
The difference is that the flu that killed those people (40K+ or whatever the number is) has a cure, there were vaccines, this one does not, not yet. Therefore, this is more dangerous than the flu, because anyone can get it and right now there is no stopping its spread.
The non-immunocompromised could get a flu shot and build up heard immunity thereby saving the sick and elderly. There is no such thing against this new strain.
No blame on the politicians here as far as I've read. Unlike most of South America, Brazil does not seem to cancel incoming flights, do they? Flightradar shows many flights heading to Rio. Also, form the link you sent me, he seems to have called it a fantasy, no surprise that he is being blamed for not taking action.
Trump did exactly what the WHO did and yet earlier on this thread you are defending them since they are reporting facts from others. He said that the surgeon general said that the risk is low to the average American.
This is a Wikipedia statement about Germany: "On 11 March, having faced accusations over inaction the previous days, Merkel..." I have friends in Mannheim and they tell me things are terrible there.
Brazil has closed most of its land borders. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal … SKBN2162YP Not sure about flights yet but many inter-state planes are no longer flying. Buses are no longer traveling between cities in my state, and here that is a lot more important than air travel or cars.
The WHO "reported" what China had researched in January whereas Trump made this statement in March when Italy was already under fire and the world knew that it was a problem. That's the difference.
Merkel spoke out today with a really good statement. Helps to have an educated person in power who does not make uninformed statements. Yeah, things are going crazy, but it's mainly people hoarding causing the problems. The number of cases are growing exponentially and Germany is the 5th highest in the world in the number of cases and it is mainly states that need to take action on their own. Some cities have curfews too, but just a few for now, it may increase soon. India is doing a great job so far, even though the PM falls in the same category of the others who made stupid statements.
Air travel is what is bringing in more potential carriers though. Not all people show symptoms when they are carriers is what has been found out. I'm assuming Brazil will join the rest of the world and halt international flights to some extent as well.
Now I see where you are coming from and where you get your "news".
No, he did not say "the fake news industry is blowing this out of proportion". He said coronavirus was a "Democratic hoax" and that it will disappear in April "like a miracle".
And yes, it is far more deadly and infectious than the flu. Thoroughly proven by governments and medical professionals alike.
The current death rate of closed coronavirus cases is 11%. Flu has a death rate of 0.02%.
Did you get that information on Trump from CNN? Are you saying that Reuters is giving false information, as you called it "news"?
Yes, I will agree Trump said stupid things. The president of Mexico also said it would not affect his country, as his people are close to God. The president of Brazil called it a fantasy when this thing came out. It is easy to sit back in our chairs and call them all idiots.
I got it from Trump's own mouth on TV.
I don't think Brazil has anything to do with my posts about the coronavirus death and infection rates.
So what is your point in that last statement? (Are you trying to say that only your region is affected by the coronavirus and therefore you are the only one that can comment on this subject?)
"Are you saying that Reuters is giving false information, as you called it "news"?"
I was answering your question. Brazilian politics has nothing to do with a post about coronavirus death and infection rates.
In that case neither do statements by Trump, the Mexican president, that guy in China, Merkel, etc.
They do when you post claims denying what Trump actually said.
It's true, it did have a high mortality rate but it had a fast incubation of only two days, whereas covid-19 has an incubation rate of five days, allowing people more than twice as long to go around spreading it while they themselves have no symptoms.
I must admit that I have been watching a lot of news and related media. I live in the US but all my relatives and many of my friends live in Europe. Americans generally have been late to take the virus and the disastrous economic effects seriously in my opinion. This is really a massive event and the more you know, the better your chances for yourself, your family, and for your family generally. I know that the chances of me dying are low, but we all know people who are elderly, or who's health has been compromised, and this disease spreads very easily. The economic problems are likely to get worse and worse and that could be even more difficult as time goes one. The more you know, the better off you are, as far as I am concerned.
There is too much of information. Difficult to filter and keep the reliable one.
Marie. If you haven't grasped how incredibly dangerous this is I suggest you read the attached. It's a long read and might be challenging for some, but essentially it comes down to exponential growth. In 30 days, the U.S. will have 10 million cases, of which 1.5 million will require hospital care, but there will only be beds and respirators for 200,000 people.
https://medium.com/@Jason_Scott_Warner/ … 0145881993
COVID19 isn't the only globalist hysteria I'm sick of.
Yup, some people say no warning was given and China should be blamed, whereas the same people say Global warming is a hoax. Like a warning would have made any difference to these people xD.
Trump was the first to close the borders to flights from china, and then other hot spots as they came known. That has made a big difference. last time i checked yesterday, covid19 is not yet in my county and is not a few other counties here in michigan
He was not the first, Italy did it before the US and had no exceptions unlike the initial ban by the US: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeatin … idnt-work/
Oh yes, Trump has been wonderful. He should have released the law that allows the government to make businesses produce important equipment and supplies weeks ago, but has yet to do so...and let's not forget that he is allowing states to BID on these items...so the richest states will get what they need and the others will do without and their residents will drive. I heard him say this himself during one of his TV presentations.
I'm not as tired of it as I am extremely frustrated by it. The news of changes/restrictions are coming fast and our daily lives are changing by the minute, it seems. Currently, I have to get a distant learning course going and it's been a crash course. And, of course, there's the inconvenience going to stores, restaurants or other outings.
Wake up Dean Traylor, this is not about you and your personal inconveniencies. This is about what psycheskinner wrote below: blunting the impact on hospitals and vulnerable populations. Be prepared to many more changes in your daily life in the months to come. This pandemic isn't over in a few weeks, it has just started in your country.
Exactly, Lobo. People talking about mortality rates or comparing current deaths to annual deaths of this or that are just thinking about their own personal risk -- this is about blunting the impact on the hospitals and vulnerable populations so people don't die unnecessarily. Just look at Italy for a cautionary tale, a country with more doctors and hospital beds per capita than the US.
It is also the case that this is a novel virus, there is a lot we don't know or that could change.
Yup. Also, the US has a far steeper slope on the daily growths than Italy has had.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir … try/italy/
At the current growth rate, the U.S. will have more than 20 million cases by the end of next month.
You can use statistics to confirm anything. Did you know that by proper extrapolation of the outbreak back in December it can be shown that there are about 500,000,000 cases in China now?
So I shouldn't believe infectious disease scientists and governments around the world?
I'm curious where you get your China number. Or are you just making it up?
That far deeper slope is based on data. Who knows what the American response will result in? Nobody knows. Keep the faith and wash your hands. Keep vulnerable safe. GBA
For whatever reason, this is not an old folks disease, in New York. 54% of the cases of people hospitalized are 19-49 years old.
I live in the sticks, and we have one confirmed case in our county. I would expect that to grow, as the county next door has 9 cases; its a college town that has cleared out. I might have had it 3 weeks ago. I don't know, there were no tests available then. I self isolate anyway, because I am a hermit.
I do blame Trump for downplaying it to prop up the stock market. For refusing to prepare, for telling the governors they are on their own - they need to procure their own healthcare needs, I blame Trump for failing, even to this minute to launch a national response. Each state and county is doing whatever piece meal. It is easy to create regulations based on population density, vs. new case confirmations. i.e. if N population density is getting new cases at X% rate, then such and such industry will be closed.
Andrew Cuomo is our president right now. Trump snarling at reporters asking him softball questions is more than embarrassing, in the face of a national crisis. It is certainly an economic crisis right now. I expect that, with all the teenagers and families on spring break ignoring the rules, cause they "can't get it." we can expect an explosion in 2 weeks, as they bring disease back to their little piece of heaven. .
Absolutely spot on. What governments need to do is fine people who refuse to cooperate....maybe that will wake them up. Cuomo tells it like it is but also gives us hope. I'd give anything to have him as our President instead of that bumbling idiot who's there now.
Have you noticed that Dr. Facii has disappeared from the daily TV briefings? Probably because he tells the truth and in so doing reveals Trumps lies and inconsistencies.
A democrat in the United States is a person who will spend more time and energy finding a way to call you a racist than they will spend to protect you from a pandemic.
That is also an accurate description of every activist Obama judge. Thank God above Donald Trump is completely remaking the judiciary. When RBG finally kicks that bucket, and Trump installs her replacement, my only nation will become so much more secure.
OMG Stock up on ammo, so you will have enough squirrels to eat.
Squirrels are pretty hard to shoot. They're small, and they won't let you get very close to them. Rabbit would be better, if you consider one known rabies carrier better than tree rodent.
My father and his father have both told me about eating squirrel, but I never have. Lucky for me.
Ever heard of poke salad? That is another thing the extreme poor in Texas may sometimes eat. Look it up.
While I'm a dead aim shot, I'm very good with a gun - I'm much better at fishing.
And the best part is that I have as yet to read a warning about coronavirus outbreaks in fish.
Squirrels and rice is fine food if you know how to cook them properly. Had a friend who lived off it awhile when he was economically challenged. Sit under a pecan tree and wait..
Granny and Jed Clampett favored squirrel pie.
My dad and mom grew up during the Great Depression, but never went hungry as those in the urban areas often did. My dad spoke of eating possum after they penned one up for a week or so and fed lots of sweet potatoes. He said they tasted like pork.
My mom grew up in the depression in NY, NY she said it was terrible. I guess if I was hungry enough I would taste a opossum.
Yes. That is exactly the reason why I sometimes wake up in the mornings about a foot in the air off of my mattress.
Its the squirrels, the pecan trees, and my father with his shotgun.
He has no intentions of eating the squirrels. He also has no intentions for the squirrels to be eating his pecans.
I honestly would eat squirrel. I wouldn't seek it out, but considering what a nasty creature pigs are, and how I certainly eat pork - no way I could honestly say I wouldn't eat tree rat.
Mmm, yes, poke salad. Sushi grade tuna, mango, avocado and julienned ginger root are delicious with a little soy, wasabi, toasted sesame dressing.
How's that viewpoint workin' out fer ya?
Extremely well. I'll never vote Democrat in my lifetime. I actually like the United States. I love my own culture, which is exactly the opposite of what Democrats do.
You seem to believe Donald Trump is to blame for a Chinese virus. That's crazy talk. Insanity is all that comes out of mainstream mass media.
I do love myself some Tucker Carlson though.
Have a look at this:
Has Carlson done a 180 like Hannity yet, Wesman? I mean, finally telling the truth about the virus? I notice Fox has changed their tune lately.
I'm always amused by how you think I'm some sort of Fox news person.
I don't own a television, Mr. Godwin. I use Reddit to look at national and global news.
I decided I liked Mr. Carlson a while back, and so I joined a "sub" on Reddit where Mr. Carlson's clips are played - and that is exactly where I see it.
I am somewhat fascinated, however, by your Sean Hannity obsession. You love talking about that guy. I have known who Mr. Hannity was for years and years, but I don't watch his show, and I don't watch clips of his show from YouTube either.
Carlson is no better than Hannity in his reporting of the facts, Wesman. Both poo pooed the danger from the virus at first, but now are trying to convince their audience they didn't.
You can't make kinda stuff up....
If Hannity is as outstanding as Carlson - I may start watching his show.
Hey, have you seen that very effeminate looking dude on MSNBC? That thing went Russia Russia Russia for years, and all the while that was make believe.
They didn't do that on Fox.
I guess you are suggesting that Covid19 has been around since 2017? Or perhaps you are suggesting that a warning that a novel coronavirus # 19, 20, 21 etc. could be out there waiting to get us, in it own time.
If the later is your suggestion, then how is it that the Trump Administration decimated the Pandemic Department over at the CDC? Everyone had good warning that this was coming - back in 2017 even. Prior to inauguration, Trump was briefed that one of the greatest threats facing the United States was a pandemic issuing most likely from Asia or Africa. But this information fell on deaf ears.
And now that all of the adults have left the room, the offal office is filled with his children, donors, ass kissers and lickspittles. Incompetent to mount a national response, frozen in disbelief, as the planet shuts down and a worldwide recession looms. How can they save the Dow Jones Industrial Average?!?! Boo hoo and hand wringing.
His sycophants warm their hands clapping over him attacking a reporter for asking a softball question, "What do you tell Americans who are worried?" "Such a stupid question, reporters should be banned from White House Briefings!!"
White House briefings should be banned. Nothing more than people pandering to his ego, as he punctuates the briefings with pats on his own back for his own monumental achievements in the face of the "greatest plague in the history of the world," i.e. stopping flights from China.
Since when was anybody telling you how to vote? The only thing I want from people is some common sense...which is...stay away from people until it's safe to be close to them again, keep your living quarters sanitized, wash your hands often and properly, etc. It is when you don't do these things that you can get this thing and also pass it on to others. Why would anybody want to do that? Let's not mix politics into this...this is a health crisis that is also affecting us financially. It did not need to happen and would not have happened if our leaders had handled it properly. They didn't, and now everything is in a big mess. If someone speaks out against Trump, this does not mean they are anti Republican...it simply means that they they don't think much about how he does things because most of what he does harms our country. I also love my country, but I also love being alive. Don't you? Don't you think making some sacrifices is worth fulfilling that goal?
I'm honestly not enjoying my life much at all. If I could sign up to get the silly virus, and save someone else's life - I probably would.
I don't have much to live for at all. I've got a dog I care a whole lot about, and a few friends I care a whole lot about, a mother and a father, sister and a brother.
None of my family or friends need me for anything at all. This leaves my dog, and my family would care for my dog were I to die - they just wouldn't particularly love him the way I do.
To be absolutely honest - Donald Trump has been the single best thing for me in years. I HATED the United States government my entire adulthood. Trump has changed that.
Oh he's nowhere near perfect, but he doesn't give a flying giraffe for the absolute cancer that is political correctness, and for this, he has my undying loyalty.
"Let's not mix politics into this....
It did not need to happen and would not have happened if our leaders had handled it properly."
That is mixing politics into this.
Obviously it is the fault of the politicians, evident in that this thing has spread around the world, in countries with personal freedom like the US and countries where people are forced by their government, like Syria.
This is not something that needs politics mixed in it. The conservative governments cannot stop it, the liberal goverments cannot stop it. Even governments that arrest you for going out in the street cannot stop it.
Of course "politics" is part of it.
Our political leadership dismissed coronavirus as a threat when it should have taken aggressive action like China and South Korea, which have "stopped" it.
Trump was more concerned about protecting the money he makes from his resorts and casinos than he was about the health of all Americans.
We are now paying a huge price. Meanwhile, like Nero, he's still fiddling while "Rome" burns.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … bingtonews
Good job, right, South Korea so effectively defeated this that they only have about 9000 people infected, and China...are you serious? Where do you even think this thing is coming from?
Certainly not from your sources. I just use Johns Hopkins, the CDC and WHO. China and South Korea infections peaked weeks ago.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar … 7b48e9ecf6
Please provide better sources, which don't include Sean Hannity. Feel free to tell us why the U.S. numbers are skyrocketing more than any other country on the planet.
Please make stupid Sean Hannity comments for those other people that live and watch your favorite TV stations. The fact that you sit there and imbibe the news at CNN and other fake sources does not in any way make you aware of what is going on in the world.
I watch CNN as much as I watch Fox. Instead of calling me stupid, maybe you can stay on topic.
1. Why is Trump not responsible for the actions or inactions of his own administration?
2. Why are U.S. infections skyrocketing more than any other country?
3. What sources can you provide that prove China and South Korea haven't stopped the spread of the virus?
Nice way to twist words. I called your comment stupid.
Why do you think things are worse in the US than elsewhere? Have you heard about Italy?
By the way, how can you prove that China has stopped the spread of the virus? Do you believe everything you read?
Thats fine, you did not answer mine either.
I am a veterinarian. What kind of doctor are you?
LOL. No, it's not fine. You evaded my questions by throwing out your own and trying to change the subject.
And you still haven't answered them.
I just wondered why anyone who claims medical training is so determined to reject medical data from the CDC, WHO and Johns Hopkins.
Likewise, why would he run from answering medical questions.
Where did you get the impression I am rejecting information provided by the US CDC? All I suggested was that you be skeptical and not believe everything you read.
Was the question about Trump medical? The answer is I feel that none of the politicians in power at the moment are able to stop the spread, at least in a country that allows personal freedom. (Since you seem to be so impressed by the Chinese actions, I would like to point out that they do not have the sorts of freedoms you do.)
Why do I feel like the infections are spreading more rapidly in the US, Europe, and other free countries? Personal freedom. Many of our politicians have come out and warned people they need to stay home. People are using this time like a vacation and going to the beach. I guess if we were in some countries I know of you could just throw them in jail.
If my comment about "what kind of doctor are you" was kind of snarky I apoligize. I thought you were pulling a Tess on me. If she does not agree with your viewpoint she makes a personal attack.
Thanks for a more civil reply. In answer to your questions:
1. Question #2 was medical.
2. I agree with your answer that the infection is spreading here because of personal freedoms. But European countries also have many of the same freedoms.
3. Thanks for your gracious comment about what kind of doctor I am.
4. I have read that Italy is skyrocketing because it has an older population that also smokes more.
5. "How can you prove that China has stopped the spread of the virus?" Multiple financial firms with employees in China have said so. In addition, they are tracking a rapid rise again in manufacturing pollution and electricity consumption.
I believe we are done now.
By the way, here is a pasted comment from worldometers.info, a source you believe in.
Well, yeah, that's my point. They stopped growing weeks ago. Meanwhile, U.S. cases are growing as much as 10,000 a day.
By the way, what kind of doctor are you?
in michigan we have had 787 cases of covid and 5 deaths. that is a lot lower than a 11% death rate. that is a .6% death rate. my county got its first case today. there is at least one other county with no cases. half the cases are in the detroit area.
The 11% worldwide death rate, which has grown to 13%, is based on closed cases. You will have a much lower death rate if you simply compare deaths to the total number of currently infected people.
Someone who got infected yesterday isn't going to die today. It takes weeks.
FYI, so far the U.S. has had 388 deaths and only 178 recoveries. That's a terrible ratio.
Correction. out of 787 cases in michigan, 680 cases are in the detroit area.
you cannot hunt oppossum in detroit and maiami. however squirrels are every where. however hungry people who do not know how to handle a gun would probably wind up shooting each other.
China led about covid 19 in dec and jan. everybody was believing china until it was too late. china lied and then immediately held a huge banquet for tens of thousands of their people. China has been trying to lower their population for decades.
Want to know how a real president would have handled this early on, before it got to our shores? Here is Obama's response to an outbreak happening in Africa. We went there to stop it from coming here.
The United States sent more than 3,000 DOD, CDC, USAID, and other U.S. health officials to Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea to assist with response efforts, as part of a 10,000-person U.S.-backed civilian response. With their help, the U.S. government has:
Constructed 15 Ebola treatment units in the region
Provided more than 400 metric tons of personal protective equipment and other medical and relief supplies
Operated more than 190 burial teams in the region
Conducted aggressive contact tracing to identify chains of transmission
Trained health care workers and conducted community outreach
Worked with international partners to identify travelers who may have Ebola before they leave the region
As a result, we only had 4 cases.
I don't think you can rationally compare ebola to any sort of influenza. The transmission of the bug is not the same.
But you're welcome to do what you like, of course. I'm only the boss of me on Hubpages Networks.
That is about as accurate as comparing Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever to distemper.
I am talking about being proactive as opposed to wishing and hoping it will just go away. We had one case, and instead of tracing his contacts and those of the people who flew in with him, their family and work, we just ignored it. Then we had 15, and ignored them - "it will go to zero in the summer."
The Grand Princess allowed 2000 people to disembark a week prior to being held in quarantine. No one followed up on what the health condition was of those people who fanned out across the country. Many were sick, but could not get testing, because they were "not on the list." It's criminal negligence.
We did not stock up on masks and other PPEs in January or February or March. CDC was begging for a response. Nothing. Even now, he refuses to take command; he does not want that responsibility, when things get worse. So he is leaving it on the governors to procure their own needs. This is BS.
Governors are asking for the Army Corp of Engineers to come in and build corona treatment centers. Nope. They are on their own. I don't understand how they are so hamstrung. Too bad we don't have Mattis or Kelly around to tell the rest of the cabinet what the US military is capable of doing when mobilized. Too bad he does not have someone from the "Deep State" to tell him what the Federal Government is capable of doing. It is the world's largest purchaser, they know how to source these goods and get a good price on them, instead of have the governors competing against each other and bidding up prices against each other. Just plain dumb.
Not to mention, he is making up cures! Now people are hoarding this "miracle" drug. JHC.
If you want to criticize his actions that is fine, but if Obama was still the US president people would still be dying. The Republicans in congress would all be lining up telling us that it was all his fault.
This is not a US problem.
That's funny, because during N1H1 Republicans said Obama had overblown the threat of that virus. Had done too much just to try to get people on board for ACA. Now Republicans are saying he did not do enough, soon enough. Why? More Trump lies. I really cannot stand the lying, exaggerating, self congratulating behavior.
Now, India is heading for the third stage. It's getting scary here!
What's are the numbers in India? As densely populated as India is, I would expect there to be a very scary situation there.
I get my figures from michigan.gov/coronavirus. i am not encouraging people to unnecessarily expose themselves.
Certainly. But that's not the point of my post.
It is a reply to Solaras about the way many former Republicans feel about the current Republican President.
I get called a libtard on many social media conversations. And that's funny, because I voted republican all my life, until Obama. I actually think Mitt Romney would be a good president right now - or Andrew Cuomo. I am not dedicated to a particular party. I just want a smart president who can find new solutions. I was hopeful about Mayor Pete - smart guy, but so many of them get managed by handlers into a standstill. Trump won because they let Trump be Trump. And Hillary was vile. Get rid of the handlers, and America will pick the authentic leader.
This thread has morphed into political shenanigans. It no longer relates the OP's original post which is:
"Am I the only one tired of the COVid-19 news?"
It doesn't belong on here at all. It belongs in the topical forums.
But I disagree that it has morphed into political shenanigans (great word, by the way). Politics is very much connected to COVid-19 news.
I totally agree. It should be moved over to the HP dark side.
Freedom is only one variable, education and responsibility are the others. Those who are both free and educated/responsible chose to follow the expert health advice promoted by their leaders. Frankly, very few governments could force their populations to do anything at all if the people just chose not to comply,
People in the US have a deep distrust of government such that even when told to do something for their own benefit and the common good they are inclined to do the opposite.
To Promisem: To your question: "Why is USA skyrocketing?" Because more tests are becoming available. The illness was there, but not being tested for. As more tests come on line, the count will continue to skyrocket, then level off. Unless we stop the shutdown and just go back to work, because Trump thinks the cure is worse than the disease. Which he said tonight. He wants quarantine over in 15 days.
What will be good is the test that will tell us within 45 minutes if we do have it or have had it. That is available and needs to be rolled out, also we need to know if we cannot get it again, if not, those of us who have had it and cleared it are fee to move about the country.
edited at the end
if we do get out from under this shut when trump wants, and get to go about our lives again, i think we should still practice social distancing again for a while. i have found you can still carry on a good conversation from six feet away. and people whose health is compromised should isolate voluntarily for a while. Italy says 99% of those who died had other health issues.
You know this stimulus package trump is talking about in which we all will get bunch of money? the reason it hasn't passed is because the liberals keep on trying to sneak their socialism into it without the citizens knowing. This last time they tried to sneak in funding for the Planned parenthood, or abortion clinics. They also tried to sneak in funding for their green laws, such as lowering the carbon foot print. These have nothing to do with the stimulus package and their were trying to get it passed without our knowledge.
Both sides of the aisle want to put in unnecessary pork in the stimulus bill. The Republicans want to be able to bail out the companies and allow them to buy back stocks and reward CEOs with large bonuses as they did in the tax break bill.
Hopefully they'll get their $#it together and settle on a bill sometime today.
That information comes from a Republican aide who wishes to remain anonymous. When the Democrats say that is why they are holding up the bill or a Republican goes on record with that, then I will believe it.
Right now they are stuck on the idea that Steve Mnuchin will have sole control over $500 billion dollars, and not have to tell anyone who he gave the money to for 6 months.
Trump offered to take control of that money; which is equally preposterous.
Solaras--there are several internet articles that make the claim that Italy says 99% of the people who died from coronavirus had other health issues.
If you don-t like the source of this reference, try another one. there are several.
Well then I stand corrected; thanks for the info!
A study in JAMA this week found that almost 40 per cent of infections and 87 per cent of deaths in the country have been in patients over 70 years old.
According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher due to demographics - the nation has the second oldest population worldwide.
“The age of our patients in hospitals is substantially older - the median is 67, while in China it was 46,” Prof Ricciardi says. “So essentially the age distribution of our patients is squeezed to an older age and this is substantial in increasing the lethality.”
So it's not especially surprising that they had underlying illnesses.
Fox News says there has been 55,00 cases of COVID19 in the US and that 800 has died. that makes for a 1.5% death rate. The epicenter is NY city with it being the hub of travel for air planes and trains. Close behind are detroit. miami, and sanfrancisco. I live in a rural community and my county has had one case so far. One thing trump and advisers are thinking of is opening up sections of the country, like my county. i think that is a good idea.
correction in my previous statement. i left out a zero. there have been 55,000 cases in the us.
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