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James Carville Claims Democrats Clueless

  1. American View profile image55
    American Viewposted 5 years ago

    Republicans have been claiming James Carville is nuts for years now. Are they right or is what James Carville said right? He is what he said:

    “Ideologies aren't all that important. What's important is psychology. The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That's why I became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd. Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don't have a clue as to political reality. What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard workers and convince them that they should support social programs that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you want. The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic operative instead of a Republican was because there were more Democrats that didn't have a clue than there were Republicans. Truth is relative. Truth is what you can make the voter believe is the truth. If you're smart enough, truth is what you make the voter think it is. That's why I'm a Democrat. I can make the Democratic voters think whatever I want them to.” ― James Carville

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
      Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Where did he say this? I can only find it being repeated on every right-wing site and forum out there, can't find the source.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
        Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The fake quotation was no doubt made up by a Repuiblican. I've met James Carville and I don't believe for a minute that he said anything like that.

        1. lovecookie profile image61
          lovecookieposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          It was no doubt made up by George Bush... it's all his fault

    2. JSChams profile image60
      JSChamsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Oh I have always though James was one of the best they had and the most dangerous operative in the media. The fact they are ignoring him is just an indication how far left they really are.
      Think on this. He got the biggest liar ever to hit Washington elected twice.
      The man is brilliant and if they lose in November they will rue not having heeded him.

    3. Credence2 profile image87
      Credence2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi, AV, we are gong to have to substantiate this statement from Carville, it is highly uncharacteristic of a man that has been a long time supported of the Democratic party.
      Of course, it goes without saying that the comment was utter bilge. I am a democrat and I certanly do not think that I am being led anywhere on the contrary from the perspective of the left, it is the GOP and its supporters that are living in la la land.

      1. American View profile image55
        American Viewposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "Do we see sometimes us going overboard in our campaign, are there mistakes that are made, areas where there is no doubt that somebody could dispute how we are presenting things? You know, that happens in politics," Obama said, arguing that the "vigorous debate" helps better define each candidate's vision. The exchange was not aired on television but was posted online.

        "President Obama says some of his campaign ads might "go overboard" or contain mistakes, but most of them simply highlight the differences between him and Gov. Romney"

        http://www.cbsnews.com/8334-504803_162- … pageNum=10

        SO the President has to lie, or "make mistakes" as he says to try and show a difference between him and Romney. He has to lie because he has nothing to run on, no successes. So he lies and they believe him, Carville is right.

        You can google it, it is all over the internet. I believe he said it during a round table discussion on MSNBC, but I could be wrong.

        1. Credence2 profile image87
          Credence2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          AV,

          Romney is the endless subject of gaffeter for the electorate. The late nite comedy circuit says that he (Romney) provides an endless source of comic material. If the right wants to replace Obama, you need a credible alternative, this guy is definitely not Ronald Reagan. What is odd is that most of his problems are not from interpretation from others but through his own words and actions that are indisputable.

          AV, I will be watching this contest closely to see what path America will choose, a pre-New Deal 19th Century  vision of American life or are we going to move forward into the 21st cerntury and beyond with its challenges.
          Romney's message is not resonating the way he expected, he has less than 50 days to focus. If he screws up on the debates, its over......

          Everything is oK here, may you find your way as pleasant.......

          1. JSChams profile image60
            JSChamsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            It's almost hilarious that someone from the party with Joe Biden as VP is trying to needle a Conservative about Romney making gaffes. Joe Biden makes a gaffe three times before breakfast.

            1. Credence2 profile image87
              Credence2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Well, JS, It looks like Romney's Gaffes may well cost his ticket support and most probably the election, I do not think that Joe Biden has that handicap to deal with......

              1. JSChams profile image60
                JSChamsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                No because liberals are so lock step you will follow them no matter what.

                That was the whole point Carville was trying to make. Thanks for verifying.

                1. Credence2 profile image87
                  Credence2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  And I suppose that the rightwinger is an independent thinker, truly a contradiction in terms, good liuck with that! We will do your post mortem on November 7th, then you can play the Rush Limburger Monday morning quarterback  routine and tell us all how the 'liberal media' doomed your dishrag of a candidate. We will all want to know how your reactionary friends screwed up, caa't wait

                  1. JSChams profile image60
                    JSChamsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I wouldn't get too far ahead of myself....
                    and yeah you guys are so lock step you didn't even primary a man you were griping about.
                    Of course when the rest of your politicians are so yellow they are afraid they will be called racist for going up against him............

                    Which is of course why Hilary didn't do it....

            2. Cody Hodge5 profile image61
              Cody Hodge5posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Are we though? Or is it that the GOP is just so wrong about every issue facing the country right now that there isn't much room for debate?

              1. JSChams profile image60
                JSChamsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Cody I really do pray for you that someday you will be able to see the forest for the talking points.

          2. American View profile image55
            American Viewposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Cred,

            I agree, Romney has bad debates, it is over.

            1. JSChams profile image60
              JSChamsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yeah his debate makes it over, his hair makes it over, his dog on the roof makes it over.
              Anything they can come up with to try and demoralize you makes it over.
              They really believe their own propaganda that they are smarter don't they?

    4. KFlippin profile image61
      KFlippinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      No truer words were ever spoken . . . and I admire him for being so frank, for being unafraid to speak the truth . . . no doubt he was there in days gone more than 30 years  past when hitting those union gates at shift change was a Dem candidates highest and best use . . . those days are gone, voters I pray are smarter, wiser, see the world beyond them now that will shape the lives of their children and gandchildren.

    5. Josak profile image61
      Josakposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Well firstly a lot of dispute on whether he actually even said this but even if he did.

      This is a guy who was just effectively fired by the Democrats you think he might have some reason to be upset and perhaps make a non factual statement?

      But if we do want to go down this route then let's ask which group of supporters is more likely to be easily fooled.

      The group with about half the college graduates than the Democrats have?
      The group with about 1/8th of the economists that the Democrats have?
      Conservatism is scientifically linked to lower IQ's an prejudice...

      So which group is more easily fooled, the group with twice the number of higher educated individuals, with eight times the economic specialists (economics being the center point of politics) and with statistically higher IQ's and less prejudice or the other group?

      No doubt this will offend people but there are the facts on a discussion point brought up by conservatives not on the basis of accurate research or experiment but on the basis of one potentially biased (or even wrongly attributed) statement.

      (second link is the Pew Research Center Typology for last year) 

      http://www.livescience.com/18132-intell … acism.html
      http://www.people-press.org/2011/05/04/ … -typology/

    6. Xenonlit profile image61
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Carville had his fifteen minutes of fame. No matter how desperate he gets, he will not be appealing enough for a comeback. He's a creepy man who needs to retreat to the shadowy corners of politics, leaking rumors that Hillary is going to run in 2016.

    7. Quilligrapher profile image91
      Quilligrapherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Hey AV.

      It is beginning to look like this is a bogus quote.  I am finding complaints everywhere from researchers that can't identify a source for this incredible quote. It doesn't even sound like James Carville and this type of bashing is not his "style."
      http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6919429.jpg

      1. American View profile image55
        American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Quill,

        This quote from Carville is about 9-12 months old if not older. I first read it on Huffington post where they tore him a new one for saying it. Of course the right side blogs jumped all over it and it was silent on the left. Wolf Blittzer was one of the only TV pundents that mentioned it on air. The story was short lived but it was recycled the other day so I posted it

        As for him bashing, I know you have a better memory than that. Just revisit the Clinton days, he did not get the nickname Ragin Cajun because he spoke well of everyone.  He was a great attack dog for Clinton. Hell if I ran for office I would want that dude on my team.

        One last thing, if this was a bogus story, do you not think Carville would have gone nuts over it if he did not say it. Would that not be all over the media? Would italso be true that if he said it the media would cover it up?  Of course it would, media will push any story that makes the Republicans look bad and downplay stories that make Dems look bad.

        1. Quilligrapher profile image91
          Quilligrapherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I hear ya, AV. You spin a fine theory but at the moment we still have no evidence he actually said it. Let's all keep searching.
          http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6919429.jpg

  2. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 5 years ago

    I love Carville! He's certainly been critical of Obama and other Dems from time to time, but I find it hard to believe that he said this.

  3. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago

    Still waiting for proof Carville said this.

    1. Reality Bytes profile image89
      Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It seems to be genuine:

      James Carville quotes

           
      “Ideologies aren't all that important. What's important is psychology.



      http://thinkexist.com/quotation/ideolog … 21889.html


      I cannot find the context of the quote though?

      1. JSChams profile image60
        JSChamsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        They don't want to see that man it's not Huffington Post.
        It has to come from a left wing source or they won't look at it.

        1. Reality Bytes profile image89
          Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          It is suspicious, I cannot find the original source at all.  It seems to have originated on thinkexist.com and was uploaded by a "thisoneworks" on to that site.



          I am going to have to call it BS!

          1. JSChams profile image60
            JSChamsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I'm currently searching YouTube.

          2. JSChams profile image60
            JSChamsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Although I will have to say i agree completely with the comment.

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      The Longhunterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know if this will help, UW, but, here tis.

      http://www.politicollision.com/story.ph … -%E2%80%9D

      Carville said: "Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don’t have a clue as to political reality."

      1. Wizard Of Whimsy profile image60
        Wizard Of Whimsyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        There is not even one non-rightwing website with that quote on it and it certainly isn't on any CNN link to Carville saying that on a Wolf Blitzer interview—which would be very big news if it was.

        You diehards just want to believe it because your candidate is defective and you're all desperate for Obama Ammo.

        Face it, this is all you've got left on a sinking ship . . .

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          The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I was simply passing on a link to help UW, Wizard. At least I gave you what you thought was a good place to use your little cartoon.

          1. Wizard Of Whimsy profile image60
            Wizard Of Whimsyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I was aware of that, LH and it was NOT meant as an accusatory post—I just needed a reference point.

    3. American View profile image55
      American Viewposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      UN,

      Sorry Was sick yesterday. I first read about it on Huffington post and they were tearing him up for it. I could not find the link, guess they took it down. Here is a link to an article from Yahoo, a left leaning site. 

      http://voices.yahoo.com/democrat-james- … html?cat=9

      This link atributes to a CNN interview with Wolf Blitzer

      http://republicmainstreet.wordpress.com … -clueless/

      1. JSChams profile image60
        JSChamsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Oh yeah......hee,hee!
        They can say what they want about disgruntled. James Carville is a lot sharper than David Axelrod who only has racism as a tool.
        Hilary runs you will see Carville back and see a master in action.

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        Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        This still doesn't give a source.  Think exist sometimes has good quotes, but  a cross-reference is needed for substantiation.

  4. Wayne Brown profile image87
    Wayne Brownposted 5 years ago

    I find Carville's remarks both funny and ironic.  Funny in that he proved that creating a focus...."it's the economy, stupid" could defeat an incumbent President or so it seems.  Ironic...in that the same mantra today seems to ring empty with the same folks who were inspired to vote for Bill Clinton in a far less and dire economic situation.  In a sense then, this proves a point which basically affirms Carville's observation.  At the same time, it also proves the point that many folks blindly vote the party line if it the candidate is in a coma.  ~WB

  5. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

    Actually, it's not unprecedented for the sitting president not to be renominated for a second term.
    It hasn't happened since 1880 something. But it has happened.
    Trust me, if it was politically expedient to challenge Obama this year, Hill and Bill would have been all over it.
    Hold on though, Chelsea Clinton's in the wings!

    1. Cody Hodge5 profile image61
      Cody Hodge5posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I understand your point, but I don't think that is necessarily relevant.

      It's like when people say that Democrats were segregationists. Yes, it is true. However, you also have to remember that political parties evolve over time.

      I would argue that while technically true, it doesn't really represent American politics right now.

  6. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago

    Still waiting for a source that Carville actually said this...

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      The Longhunterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      See my post above. Hope it helps.

      1. JSChams profile image60
        JSChamsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It helped me:

        smile

  7. Reality Bytes profile image89
    Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago

    Longhunter, followed your link, brought me here:


    http://voices.yahoo.com/democrat-james- … 11113.html

    Then at the bottom of that they source thinkexist, which brings it all back to being an unverified quote?



    SOURCES: http://thinkexist.com/quotes/james_carville/

    uploaded by user "thisoneworks" which appears to be the originating post.

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      Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Yep.  It just quotes thinkexist.  It doesn't give any other source. 

      If Carville ACTUALLY said this, it would be everywhere, liberal and conservative websites alike.  O'Reilly also would've grabbed it.

      Lack of substantiation hasn't stopped conservatives in the past from making false claims, so it's not surprising this forum was started without any actual evidence.  It wasn't presented as an opinion on an issue, but an actual fact that Mr. Carville actually said what the forum starter claimed he said.

      1. Quilligrapher profile image91
        Quilligrapherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Hey there, Sooner.  We all seem to agree that the quote lacks a source. However, I think your suggestion that the OP intended to mislead us is as unbelievable as the quote itself.
        http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6919429.jpg

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          Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          And why was the quote posted then?

          1. Quilligrapher profile image91
            Quilligrapherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            The originator believes the quote is accurate. I read his comments and I believe him. The chances are good that he is looking to verify the quote and he will get back to us when he does. 
            http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6919429.jpg

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              Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I am not, nor did I claim to ever believe the originator of the forum was   intentionally misleading.

              I simply claimed many conservatives continue to peddle false claims on a regular basis and this was just another example.   They don't do their homework.

              Conservatives don't give a lot of empirical evidence to support what they say.  Cases in this are that tax cuts for the rich create jobs, or homosexuality is a choice.

              It was a jab at a lack of homework before quoting, rather than saying the forum originator was attempting to mislead people and knowingly use a false quote.

              1. Quilligrapher profile image91
                Quilligrapherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you, Sooner. I am grateful for your clarification.
                http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6919429.jpg

  8. Wizard Of Whimsy profile image60
    Wizard Of Whimsyposted 4 years ago

    The lies and deceit just goes on and on . . .

    CLAY COUNTY (Florida) REPUBLICAN VOLUNTEER'S PHONE CALL TO SENIOR VOTERS - SHE LIES, LIES, LIES then says "pay attention to Fox News"

    Listen to her entire pitch (about 90 seconds). It was picked up on the first person’s answering machine.

    "Yall sound like yall are senior citizens, right? Yeah. You don't want Obama. You really don' want Obama. Because, he'll get rid of your Medicare. You might as well say goodbye to it."
    "I don't know if you've done any research on Obama or not, but he is a Muslim... if he had his way, we'd be a socialistic country."
    "Pay attention to Fox News."


    http://link.brightcove.com/services/pla … 5109853001

 
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