Ashamed of this country and it's attitude to the poor.
Excellant data, Josak. Thank you for posting this link.
Again, more of this nonsense of it's NOT their fault. Oh, yeah, if I am poor, it is actually NOT my fault, it's THE MAN who is making me poor! Oh golly, why I didn't THINK of that! Yada yada yada ad nauseum and ad infinitum...........zzzzzzzzzzzz
My dear Ms. Williams,
I am impressed by your ability to launch a series of threads about a huge and extremely complex social issue. From my perspective at least, you have gotten off to a bad start.
In your words, "There are people who are generationally poor. These people REFUSE and WILL NOT help themselves under any circumstances."
It would appear, Ms. Williams, you have made a false assumption. The generationally poor are those trapped in the cycle of poverty for three or more generations. They are among the poverty-stricken individuals who have experienced disadvantages as a result of their poverty, which in turn increased their poverty. The fact is, Ms. Williams, research indicates "these people" can not help themselves no matter how hard they try! You would have us believe effort is all that is necessary while studies indicate effort is often times useless and ineffective. Your assumption, in this case, is diametrically opposed to what is widely accepted today in the field of economics.
A paper presented in France during a 2004 symposium titled "Do poor children become poor adults?" was later included in a 2006 collection of papers compiled by Miles Corak related to the dynamics of poverty . This study argues that even added money from short-term income, wages, employment etc., is not an important factor influencing intergenerational income mobility. In fact, it is not a factor at all. It concludes by stating income transfers can not be counted on to strongly promote upward mobility by pointing out that added income is not sufficient to move the poor out of generational poverty. {1}
On the contrary, the essential ingredients are the skills and the opportunities to succeed in the labor market. Without these two elusive resources, the quagmire of poverty is inescapable and no amount of effort alone is going to have an impact on this reality. While this has historically meant promoting access to higher and higher levels of education, it is becoming increasingly important that the emphasis also needs to include preschool and early childhood education. {2}
I thank you again, Ms. Williams, for an interesting subject that can surely educate us all about those less fortunate in our society.
{1} http://ftp.iza.org/dp1993.pdf
{2} Ibid
It is a well documented fact that government welfare programs have never, nor will they ever lift a single person out of poverty. It is the will of the individual to make that choice. The War on Poverty started in 1964. they've have had 49 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor" and the percentage of Americans in poverty remains stagnant.
Fascinating then that the countries with the biggest welfare systems have the lowest poverty percentages in the world. Which is the largest welfare aid state in the world Norway, which country has the lowest percentage of people beneath the poverty line (excluding mini nations like Luxemburg and Monaco) Norway, amazing right? Who is second in welfare state provision? Denmark, who is second in people beneath the poverty line? Denmark, hmm I see a trend developing.
Statistically wrong as usual. The US system has been only moderately effective I will agree because it is without a doubt the worst one in the first world and fails to provide the most important services adequately. Those being health and higher education.
On the other hand the set levels for below the poverty line in the US have been significantly changed since the beginning of the war on poverty so that statistic is also false. Someone classified as below the poverty line now is far better off on average than someone classed similarly in the 60s.
Any more ways to be wrong?
"The Poor have little, Beggars none; the Rich too much, enough not one." ~ Benjamin Franklin.No, YOU'RE embarrassing ! I have seen and observed such people-NO ONE'S fault but THEIRS! Boy, what happened to the concept of personal accountability and personal responsibility? Oh no, THE MAN is going to lift ME UP. I' s poor, oh woe is me, I can't do it, waiting for THE MAN to GET me out of poverty!
Again, Josak, what an asinine thought. Remember God helps those who help themselves. What happened to self-reliance? I am a Liberal, Black woman and it SICKENS and NAUSEATES me how many Liberals practice a policy of enabling the generational poor, blaming the wealthier classes. Well, among some folks COMMUNISM is alive and well. Josak, right COMRADE! Josak, STOP smoking what YOU have been smoking, SUCH people DO exist. I have seen them and some are within my extended family. People who EXPECT the world to OWE and GIVE them. Yep, THEY exist although many LIEBERALS are blind and refuse to acknowledge that !
My parents came from poor people. In fact, one can say there were the poorest of the poor. One can say dirt, dirt poor. By the way, my mother came from the South and my father from the West Indies. However and that was the time before the war on poverty. They educated themselves, worked smart, and lifted themselves OUT of poverty. The Black poor had it very hard in the early 20th century,especially in the South. Despite that, my parentst became middle class. They REFUSED to use poverty as a crunch. They DID and succeeded.
They imbued this education and work ethic in me. They stressed the importance of education and hard work. They taught me that the world does not owe one a living and if one wants something, WORK and STUDY for it. They taught me NEVER, EVER to make excuses and that FAILURE was NEVER an option. They told me to always be personally accountable and accept responsibility for one's action, good or bad. They also taught me the philosophy of NO EXCUSES! Sad, this ethic is gone and awashed with this stupid and inane version of LIEBERALISM. I am deeply ashamed of some LIEBERALS!
- Beth37posted 11 years ago
0 I'm really screwed,
I'm a Small-Government conservative who hates the 2nd Amendment, an Atheist, a social liberal, and an Austrian School economic libertarian.
Red, Blue, Purple... I think I may be Plaid.
- alexsaez1983posted 11 years ago0
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