Trump announced winner of Fake News...

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   jackclee lmposted 5 years ago

   CNN and NYT among winners...

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      jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      https://www.infowars.com/breaking-trump … s-winners/

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   Valeantposted 5 years ago

   He forgot to rank:
   1.) Hannity and the Seth Rich conspiracy
   2.) Trump and the racist Birther conspiracy
   3.) Spicer saying these are the largest crowd sizes ever
   4.) Trump's 'I'm the least racist person you'll ever interview' statement
   5.) Mexico is going to pay for the wall
   6.) When I'm president, I'll hardly have time for golf

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      jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Yes and how did they hurt you or America?
      Meanwhile Brian Ross ABC fake news caused the Dow to drop 350 points,,,
      Do you see the difference?
      One is a distraction, while the other is harmful to you and me.

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         Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Murders by White Supremacists have doubled this year is the simplest answer.

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            jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            This is the last card to draw when you are out of arguments...the race card and it won’t work.
            Do you even know why? Because HE is NOT a RACIST? As much as you and the media wants to paint him as such. His record speaks for it self...you cannot hide for 70 years in America, in NYC, in Hollywood and be a racist.

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               Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Your complete denial of the way Trump has emboldened white supremacists is not a card to draw.  It's a reality that you refuse to face.
               
               And your complete lack of historical facts pertaining to Trump's racism is laughable.  Do some research about the suits he had to settle because of his discriminatory housing practices.
               
               Birther, totally racist.
               Very fine people on both sides, white supremacy supportive.
               Sh*thole countries, racism.
               Muslim ban, discriminatory based on religion.
               Mexican judge cannot do his job because of his heritage, discriminatory.
               
               Here's a more comprehensive list since you're oblivious:
               https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 … acist.html

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                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Jack will consider this link fake news, Val. He only believes Briebart and Fox News doncha know? He is lost in Trump's delusions of grandeur,

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                  jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I heard all those and they are distortions by the media...
                  Ask yourself this question. Pay attention and you may just learn something.
                  Remember Paula Deen? The celebrity chef with a popular TV show?
                  What happened to her? Because of some racist comments years ago...
                  Now ask yourself, if Trump was a racist as you claim, how did he survived in Hollywood for 14 years on the Apprentice?
                  If you can answer that question, then you would have hit upon something.
                  If not, you are just misled by a dishonest media who turns or spins everything Trump into a negative light.

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                     Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Jack, I'll counter the Hollywood reference by asking how Harvey Weinstein lasted in Hollywood much longer than Trump with his background.  Saying someone was in Hollywood doesn't absolve them of their issues.  Question answered, I'm a hitter.
                     
                     Second, none of my examples need any media backing to be proved as racist or discriminatory.  Four of my examples are based directly on views Trump holds or words he's spoken.  People don't need any media intervention to recognize racism when they see it in these cases.

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                        jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        I’ll just use one example you raised. The comment he made about both side have good people in the Virginia incident was miss interpreted by the media.
                        When he said both sides, he was referring to the people that wanted to keep the statue in place vs. the people who wanted to take them down. The white supremist that showed up were just a small minority of trouble makers. They were injected to this discussion by the media who went out of their way to seek them out creating the illusion that they were a big part of the demonstration.
                        So, does this change your mind? I don’t think so. When you set out with a preconceived notion, you stick to it and would not be open to facts... a sad state to be in. It is almost like wishful thinking...

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                           Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           A small percentage?  Here is a list of far-right Groups in attendance:
                           
                           The Right Stuff
                           The National Policy Institute
                           Four groups that form the Nationalist Front
                           The neo-Confederate League of the South
                           The Traditionalist Workers Party
                           Vanguard America
                           The National Socialist Movement
                           The Ku Klux Klan
                           The Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights
                           Identity Evropa
                           The Rise Above Movement
                           The American Guard
                           The Detroit Right Wings
                           True Cascadia
                           Anti-Communist Action
                           
                           Here are far-right militias in attendance:
                           Pennsylvania Light Foot Militia
                           The New York Light Foot Militia
                           The Virginia Minutemen Militia
                           The Oath Keepers
                           The 3 Percenters
                           
                           Does that seem small?

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                              jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              Yes how many people? How many members of those group are there? Compared to the 320 million Americans, they are puny. They don’t deserve the attention.
                              This whole statue controversy is a red herring. Ther are many good reasons to leave them along. I wrote an article on this when this was going down...
                              You might just want to check it out.
                              “https://hubpages.com/politics/“ “When-Will-The-Insanity-Stop”

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                                 Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                 Focus.  We're talking about one specific event that you claim had very limited numbers of far-right people in attendance.  I'm pretty sure by listing out the different groups that were represented, that they were far from being in the minority.

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                        jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        It is funny how intelligent people like you can be so easily misled.
                        Why do you think Trump ran for President?
                        What was the one issue that seal the deal?
                        
                        He could have retired and play golf all day and play with his grandkids..
                        
                        How does someone suddenly became all these things, racist, sexist,... overnight?
                        Once he declared he is running for president...
                        
                        THINK

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                           Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           And people like Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, and Matt Lauer were fine businessmen and entertainers, until people had the guts to reveal them for who they truly are.  Just because people have fear of retribution from those with power, does not absolve those with money from being criminals and degenerates.
                           
                           The difference here is that I'm willing to come to terms with the disgusting amongst the liberal.  When will you accept the same with conservatives?

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                           Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           Trump wanted to be king. And now he thinks he is......

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            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Valeant,  Black unemployment is at a all time record low? He certainly is doing very well with the economy, for all Americans.  Please don't insult my intelligence by responding with the typical "silly response"  - Thanks Obama.  I  guess to sum it up.  if he is wrong? I don't want to be right... LOL

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               Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Sharlee,
               I saw that talking point yesterday too.  In 2010, black unemployment was at 16.8 percent.  Last year, before Trump took office, it was 7.9 and now it's 6.8.  So from 2010 to 2016, it dropped the exact same amount per year that it dropped during Trump's first year in office.  Yet, you're claiming it was all Trump  Maybe some deeper research into the facts before making such a claim or thinking I'd just lay it off to Obama without some numerical data to back up an argument.

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      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      How in the world can the birther nonsense be considered "racist"?  Just another card to throw in the pile, without regard to truth?

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         Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         How many white candidates had to produce their birth certificates?  Claiming Obama was born in Kenya and is a Muslim is not racism?  Not making a clamor about McCain, who was actually not born in the US, is fair?

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            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            rac·ism
            NOUN
            prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior:
            
            the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
            
            Nowhere in there will you find that demanding a birth certificate for a presidential candidate is "racism".  Nowhere will you find anything about religious beliefs.  Nowhere will you find that thinking someone's birthplace is a specific country is "racism".
            
            It was a stupid claim from the start, but it is not "racism".  To play the race card over claims that a candidate was not a "natural born citizen" is as bad as the original claim as it has exactly nothing to back it up.

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               Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               To demand it of a black candidate and not of the white candidates before, or after, him, certainly seems to set one's race to a different set of standards.  Would that not be prejudicial?

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   PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago

   What a total freaking embarrassment of a buffoon. Never would I ever have thought thinking people would believe this behavior is acceptable in a president.
   
   It's a new world, folks  Donnie has brought POTUS to so many lows I fear our next president will be someone like Ted Nugent or Honey Boo Boo.
   
   Jack will think it's great as long as his portfolio is up.

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      jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      No, that is how much you don’t know about me. The reason I am optimistic is for the American worker. I am retired and well off financially. The stock market going up is ok but not the main reason.
      What I want is for our economy to do well so young people can move out of their parent’s basement and get to work and start a career and contribute to our thriving society...
      The Trump effect, is what is driving this right now.
      The democrats are doing all they can to stop him. Why?
      Because they would rather have a populace dependent on their handouts and foodstamps and unemoloyment checks and welfare and free healthcare...
      What I am fore is freedom and the pursuit of happiness...
      Not welfare and dependency and spending like a drunken sailor...

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         gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Trump is no longer THE GOOD guy.   C'mon, Jack.  Trump has demonstrated who he really is.....a racist xenophobe who really could care less about the American process & the American people.   He lives in his own universe w/sycophants who placate, even psychologically assuage him when he commits negative acts. The American people have seen Trump in his natural element.  Not only have Americans lost w/little remaining respect they have for him, the world sees Trump as an immature bully w/o social intelligence.  The gig is over......  Jack, it is time to call Trump out.    The emperor has no clothes on & it is time to recognize this.
         
         I, as a Liberal, criticized Obama for his sociopolitical policies.  You, as a conservative, can criticize Trump's policies.  One can say that Trump's political stance is far more dangerous than that of Obama's. Trump is making America look......BAD, acknowledge it!

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            jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Only in your biased mind. Trump is winning and America is starting to win. If that is definition of making America look bad, let’s have more of the same...haha

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   Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago

   I didn't expect Trump to even mention Fox News in this farce although they are the world's worst in publicizing fake news. I was happy he did this as it shows what a biased moron he is. I'll be glad when Mueller gets a hold of his lying ass because he cannot escape perjuring himself in some manner.

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      jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Keep dreaming and watch your NPR and CNN and ABC...
      American people are not stupid. In fact wasn’t a Democrat that said “it’s the economy stupid...”

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      crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      The ironic news here is that when Trump gets his way, people who look like Jack won't even be allowed into our country. It'll just be Norwegians.

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         jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Look who is the racist now?
         When I judge people, I don’t see their color of skin.
         
         Trump did not say he only want white people to come to America.
         The media and Durbin twisted what he said and meant.
         What he said is why do we want people from these countries to come here when we should be asking for the best and brightest to come?
         In case you missed it, many people and politicians have made similar comments regarding some of these counteies...
         They are a disaster of a country. Trump may have used some crude terms that I would not use but again all Presidents use colored language in private conversations and I suspect you do as well.

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            crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Typical.
            
            Calling out racism is not racism. You're confused. And being sarcastic, as the smile implies, is meant to acknowledge that I understand the impact of the statement being made.
            
            And no, behind closed doors I DO NOT use racist language. I do not call black people the n-word. I DO NOT use colorful language to describe other people and demean them and imply that their race somehow makes them less valuable.

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               jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               You and Durbin said those things. I and you and CNN were not in the room.
               You’ve never cursed in your life? Are you a saint?
               You are holding up a standard that no past Presidnt including Kennedy can pass.

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                  Aime Fposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Yeah it’s not about the cursing... if he had said “I’ve been eating too much fiber, my shithole hurts”... I mean, that’d be weird, but no one would be upset about the fact that he said “shithole.” Context is, like, kinda important and stuff.

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               jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               By the way, I did not call you a racist. I just commented that you see skin color in your comment where I don’t and Trump doesn’t either.
               You see I am asian. Should I automatically be a democrat?
               Should I believe in the lie that Republicans are rich white people and Democrats are for the working poor?

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                  crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Here is your exact statement:
                  
                  Look who is the racist now?
                  
                  And anybody who says they don't see skin color is lying. I certainly try not to judge people on it, but I certainly see it. It's kind of unavoidable. I just try to be aware of my prejudices and remind myself of them.
                  
                  My cursing is pretty limited. I live by this phrase: "profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate motherfu**er".
                  
                  That said, the profanity was not the issue.

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                     jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Sure, I see color but it does not goes into my thinking or prejudices...
                     You assume I, as an asian, should be against Trump because you think he, if he had his way would throw out anyone non white...
                     Do you see how stupid that logic is?
                     That is the same argument people on the left used against Clearance Thomas who think because he is black, that he should be an automatic democrat. Why are black conservatives demonized?

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   Aime Fposted 5 years ago

   Oh so is this the very important stuff Trump’s doing for the US that people are supposed to be paying attention to rather than the fact that he lies like a reverse Pinocchio (which is apparently not at all a problem)?

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      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know, Aime.  For one, I'm sick and tired of hearing political commentary disguised as "news".  Sick and tired of hearing only one side of events, again disguised as "news".  Looks to me like it isn't Trump dividing the nation; it is the news organizations that put out stories designed specifically to convince a listener/reader of something that is quite false.
      
      Pretty important, I think, that we have a press that is unbiased and reports the story, the whole story and nothing but the story.  And we don't have it.

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         Aime Fposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Sure, but I can’t help but notice the absence of any and all conservative-leaning news outlets.
         
         Where’s Fox? Breitbart? Infowars? I know you’re smart enough to realize that they’re not a lot better, just veering in the opposite direction. You’ll notice that Jack’s link to the awards came from infowars. Which is hilariously ironic.
         
         If you’re gonna call out news outlets for being biased and telling tales then call them all out. Only calling out the ones that don’t jive with your political views is also, in fact, very divisive.

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            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Oh, sure.  I can't expect a politician (even a new one like Trump) to be fair and even in his attacks on his political enemies.
            
            But then Trump isn't a news organization supposedly giving us the events of the day.  He's a politician whining about how he's treated unfairly and attacking those he perceives as doing it.  I expect a politician to be biased and try to convince the public he's right.  Don't you?

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               Aime Fposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               To some extent, sure. But I feel like Trump is really running with it to the point of silliness with this one. It’s not like we didn’t already know what Trump thinks of the MSM. I was tired of hearing the term “fake news” like a month into his presidency and it hasn’t really let up since then either.
               
               This isn’t going to change anyone’s minds about what they read/watch. This isn’t going to make news outlets change their reporting because people will still tune in. It just gives conservatives something to snicker about. Yes, very important stuff happening here...

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                  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Without our 'fake news' organizations, Flynn would still be National Security Advisor.  Not until the Washington Post made the story public, did the Trump administration act.  It's only 'fake news' if it's critical of Trump.  That, in and of itself, is what makes it, and any of his supporters, laughingstocks.

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                  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  LOL  No argument from me - the whole thing has become nothing if not silly.  A group of kindergartners squabbling in the sandbox couldn't do a better job of accomplishing that.
                  
                  But we CAN hope that if enough hue and cry is raised that mainstream media will re-think their policy of "reporting" in a decidedly slanted, biased and incomplete manner.  This thread is a good example:
                  
                  https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/144 … t-disease-
                  
                  as CNN makes a very deliberate attempt to convince the reader of something that just isn't true - that President Trump has a bad case of heart disease and is therefore unfit for the office.  He likely won't last the year out, after all.  They could have run the headline as "Pres. Trump Has <the normal> Heart Disease <for his age>"  Or "Pres. Trump Has <minor> Heart Disease".  Or "Pres. Trump Has <completely treatable> Heart Disease. 
                  
                  Any of those are technically true, including the headline actually used, but these give a reader the whole story instead of giving the impression that the man is on his last legs.
                  
                  And it is important, IMO.  I said that.  But I'm also a long, long way from saying that this is the right method of reducing or stopping it.

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                     Aime Fposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     I agree. I hate sensational headlines coming from either side. And CNN has had some terrible “stories” covered (like the eating burgers in bed thing... I just... why). I’ve rolled my eyes many times at MSM and liberal-leaning sites.
                     
                     The problem is if we’re only calling down the liberal MSM outlets, what’s left if they do eventually get drowned out? We’re left with the conservative outlets that really are no better, and as Jack and many others have made abundantly clear, they consider that to be “the truth”... so we’re just flipping the exact same problem to the other side.
                     
                     We need to demand unbiased and intelligent reporting from everyone and we need to learn how to hear and accept things that don’t fit with what we want to be true.

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                        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Again, no argument from me.  While I find the right news sources (such as Fox) to be superior to the left leaning ones, it isn't by much and they don't win any prizes for unbiased reporting.  And the talk shows are at least as bad as those from the right.
                        
                        We're dreaming, I know, to think we'll have unbiased reporting again.  But then it was an even bigger dream to think that such a person as Trump could ever occupy the white house, too.  Dreams DO come true sometimes; maybe we'll get lucky here, and the media will straighten itself out while Trump goes on to actually improve the country.  My bet's on the first one as being more probable when it comes to long term results (20,30 years)

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