I am so angry. Just angry with that guy. I literally hate him!!!!
What did he do now? Dealing side by side with the same market insiders who caused the collapse in the first place.
Errr. God damn him! Someone do something, get that guy out of office for the sake of the people.
Yes welcome to the enlightened side !! I agree he has done a horrible job, we have been led down the proverbial daisy path
Ya think the religionist would have done anything different? LOLOL
He is a "religionist" (I love how you make up your own words)if you are referring to Palin then you are off the mark, mark! The Vice President doesn't do anything or didn't you know that?
I'm not sure who's a "religionist", Mark, depending on the definition--but I know a McCain/Palin election would definitely have done at least 2 things differently:
1. I'd still have my energy industry job in Colorado.
2. Nobody would be threatening me for not buying health insurance.
I see nothing enlightened about people who hate.
To be fair, not as bad as our government in the UK.
The economy crashed and so the government dealt £60 million out to those who are responsible for it in bonuses.
I feel bad for the people in UK. The US is headed towards the same situation unless we get rid of the private banking cartel that is overrunning our government and the UN.
The Blame goes far past Obama. He is just a Puppet for the Bankers. He is the spokesperson for the Bankers Agenda.
You have to look past him and dig into what is really going on. We let our country be run by Bankers clear back in 1913 with passage of the Federal Reserve Act. Since that time America's Assets have been slowly and deliberately transferred from the people to the Bankers.
As of today approximately 22 million homes are owned by Banks, with a projection of an additional 7 million by mid summer.
This is what the Bankers want. Obama's plan is doing nothing. Of the 100,000 Applicants to the program through CitiGroup less than 400 have actually been "helped". Bankers have no incentive to "help". On the Backend they get free guaranteed loans and the Federal Government backs depositors. So what is their incentive ot help? Go ahead and foreclose. They just keep the houses. Win/win for Bankers.
If McCain were in Office we likely would not have had the big handout, but we would still have the SAME Problems.
The Federal Reserve is a PRIVATE Corporation with complete autonomy. They have NEVER been audited. They do what they want.
The Federal Reserve is "owned" by it's 12 Member Banks, which in turn are owned by Corporate Banks who hold their Stock. And due to Corporate Privacy laws the actual owners of those Member Banks is NOT disclosed. Anyone from any country can own the stock. This means fiscal policy for the United States of America can be set by Anyone with the Stock. And these people do not have to be American Citizens. Clearly they are not acting on behalf of America but their own private interests.
Think about that for a moment. Foreigners controlling the American Monetary system.
These Bankers WANT you to lose your home because it's more profit for them. The Banks get anything they want from the Government. the Banks are the Economy. And the system they created based on perpetual unsustainable debt is collapsing around them.
So they make up lies while they continue to bilk the country of it's assets. When all is said and done and the big collapse comes you won't own your car, your house, or much more than your clothes. Banks will have title to all the property. Then a new system will be created, and you still won't own anything.
It's a sick and twisted secret system that is failing and exposing it's ugly head to the people.
So go ahead and hate Obama... he is in fact part of the problem, but so is EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN Democrat and Republican that is letting this happen.
Thank you Sandra for telling it like it is...
WOW, you really should relax, hate is a strong word. I can say I hate child molesters, murderers etc. but someone who doesnt agree with my politics? What happened to Americans being able to disagree, it is what made democracy such a good form of government. I am going to assume you are young because you do not realize how many leaders work and negotiate with the same people who cause problems, in order to fix them. REAGAN for example with his negotiation with IRAN and weapons, when we swore we didnt negotiate with terrorist. Use that anger for something that makes a difference...animals put to death because they can't be adopted, kids with disabilities, women with domestic abuse. turn your negative into a positive. AND for the respect of christians on the site try not to use the lords name in vain. I am a wiccan but i respect everyones religion and that was a strong choice of words, since God has nothing to do with your anger.note: as a former law student, I WONDER WHAT ARTICAL OF IMPEACHMENT APPLIES TO THE CURRENT OR PAST PRESIDENT? IMPEACHMENT IS USED SO EASILY BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT TAKEN THE TIME TO READ THE CONSTITUTION...really read it. blessed be and happiest of holidays
Sandra's rants are at the level of a two-year-old's tantrum.
I know that im replying really late, but i had to. I do hate Obama. Imagine how helpless and defenseless i feel. I am too young to vote but im extremely educated on this topic. So all i can do is watch him destroy the country that i had been taught was the best. All i can do is sit and pray he doesnt get reelected. Because if he does we are sunk, doomed. He makes me so upset that i cry sometimes wondering what i will do when i have to start paying taxes and partcipating as a full citizen in this crumbling country Obama created.
i don't hate him, but he does annoy me. he pulled the wool over our eyes, that's for sure. too bad i didn't know his gifts for schmoozing, flattery, sucking-up and general sneakiness. because he is. sneaky, that is. what's strange is to not only see people who voted for him (myself included) doing a 180, but so-called 'liberal' Democrats and free thinkers turning away as well.
it's amazing how clearly you can see once that wool is pulled away from your eyes.
Obama is just the latest in a line of Puppets furthering the Agenda of the Wealthy Elite.
Look at the System not just the pieces.
Obama is doing what anyone who is bought and sold does for their employer.
He has a great life... a 2 week vacation in a $4,000 a night Hawaiian Villa is a pretty good gig.
If you look at what George Bush put into play it's sickening. And Obama has just grabbed the torch and run with it. More of the same.
So hate him or not... it makes no difference.
You have to look at the system and the system has to be changed.
this is it, most people are still so distracted by the puppets that TPTB use for that very reason.
thank goodness more and more people are realizing that obama is no messiah and hopefully more people will realize he is no anti-christ either. he is just a human being, a pawn, if you will.
i almost feel sorry for him, though he knows more than the rest of us what he has gotten himself into. and i (this may be strange or unpopular) wonder how much worse mrs. obama is...as seen between clinton and his 'better' half hilary.
Can I add something to this discussion? Well, I guess I am.
First off, let's talk about the underlying problem, which Obama went into office for in the first place? If you're not aware, HE made the statement BOLDLY told Business and Congress, that the "status quo" was going to change.
This setup him up to fail. It was a great platform and he sold it well to get into office and now he is finding out how difficult living up to that statement can be. It is a daunting task to bully the bully on the block.
The underlying problem Obama wanted to change, but cannot. It is now obvious.
The stranglehold of business on politicians/congressional members is outrageous. The abuses permitted by Business is ruining society as a whole.
A Prime example: how many non-profit organizations do you think actually do REAL GOOD work? If you can count them on one hand, you would be lucky to get past one.
The Federal government regulators are suppose to monitor the revenue companies, such as non-profits, take in for total. The company is required by law to spend a MINIMUM 5% for what it claims and the rest can be spend on the operations of the company.
Yet, I read an article about a Survey taken in 2000, where NONE of the top 200 non-profit or charitable organizations were even close to matching the regulatory requirement.
The highest was the Make a Wish foundation at 1%
You want to know WHY things are not getting better?
Corrupt business practices, uncaring ownershihp, disrespectful to the citizens and abuses them by raping them over the coals for goods and/or services.
The BIG companies buy up the smaller companies, so as to eliminate competition. The BIG companies make sure their competitors cannot survive. It's so obvious, if you look at it.
Since when did a BANK become too big to fail? It is only a business. It should not be detrimental to health of the Nation. When I use 'health', it includes emotional stress created by poor government governing. Ineffective and Inefficient government, to keep business in check is the main problem.
Just a thought.
I tried to warn you guys ... Still pretty sure he's not the anti-christ, though...
In what alternative universe do you people exist? The Bank bailout happened during the Bush administration, along with all the other crap rained down on our heads. You want to damn someone, damn your sorry selves for continuing to vote the GOPs into office. They have not done one damned thing for you, but they sit there smugly awaiting the demise of this country.Teflon Ron Reagan all over again. Where were your damned fiscal conservatives when Bush et al were spending this country into the ground and reducing taxes for the most wealthy, who by the way, benifitted the most from the immoral and hateful war which got us into this mess. Obama started the stimulous package, (duh) which saved us from complete melt down and got people back into the tax pool again.Typical teabagger crap: bile, hate, and ignorance.
I do not hate him but I sure do hate the radical, socialist agenda he is pushing. He has surrounded himself with czars who have a lot of radical ideas. I can't believe some of the ideas he and his czars are promoting.
“Oh Obama, well you came and you gave without taking,
but I sent you away, ohhhh Obama,
well you kissed me and stopped me from shaking,
but I sent you away”
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Tsk,tsk little one! You should think before you vote!
I did and didn't vote for the loser like so many of you Deep thinkers did, pathetic!
Do you ever put any thought into anything you write? He's been trying to fuck me from day one, but the morons are beginning to realize it now, congratulations!
Great, then instead of defending him and antagonizing people for making a bad choice, why not be productive instead of rubbing it in. Because you just want to be a dick? Great, good for you. Be the biggest dick on Earth if it makes you feel better but you aren't helping a thing.
You don't like him and you think you are so smart, then why not get the tyrant out? Let me guess you would rather bs because it makes your **** hard.
Defend him? No that was you just a few months ago before awakening to the fact he is a liar! Were you deprived of oxygen as a child? You and the millions of other morons who voted for him should have your right to vote stripped and then you should be flogged with a wet noodle! Fuck off!
No, I voted for the lesser evil cock spank but support him, no. I said I would give him the benefit of the doubt when people were calling him the anti-christ.
My last two words of the previous post is all I need to say, review then follow directions!
No, Sandra, I'm not laughing about the last half of that last sentence, but the first half is so on target...
Actually, Tex, we need more like Sandra--folks willing to admit they were wrong. She's got a decent hub or two on the topic, and we do have another election around the corner.
At least you're honest about your intelligence level.
There is no *one* person who's going to save this country. It's up to us to change the tide of events. We blame the moneyed class, we blame the big money machines, we blame oil companies and any other scape goat we can think of because we don't want to take full responsibility for our own lives. When we are ready to take more responsibility, we stop being victims blaming others for our crappy lives, get control of them and start fixing the problems ourselves and stop passing the proverbial buck.
Wesleycarter, here on HP makes some good points about the difference between personal attacks and debate. I think it would be well for a lot of us to take a deep breath and read more about the difference between the two.
If you want to be a victim, blame everyone you can. If you want live an empowered life, stop blaming and start doing something about *your* life, instead of pointing fingers about how others live their, or rule the world or whatever it is. No government is going to "insure" my or your happiness. Inalienable rights is not a guarantee. All it is is a way for you to have the freedom to mess up your life as badly as you want, or take charge and make something wonderful of it. The point is, you have the freedom to mess it up without government intervention.
The more I live, the more I believe this.
Let me laugh in a healthy way !
I'm with you, Sandra, but what can you, people do now ?Not many options ,I see !
If health care passes, I think he can be impeached for violating his oath of office to protect and uphold the constitution, and he should!
How do we go about impeaching a president anyways. Where is the petition?
It's been done before, the only problem is we'll have to impeach all the democrats in congress too! I swear these people are supposed to be the nations best and brightest and they don't even know what's in the constitution! They have NO AUTHORITY to mandate citizens to buy anything! Everyone of them needs to be fired!
Great, then how would we get them all fired? Through the house judiciary committee?
It is beyond the point of impeachment because the entire congress is so corrupt. However, after reading all the powerless articles of impeachment attached to all the petitions to impeach out there, I am drafting one that I believe will get the attention we need from the H.O.R or (Whore), House of Representatives. But even this will not bring the desired results.
People don't like to hear this but it really has reached the point of "US" against "them" We allowed them to grow into this monster because someone convinced us that the way to turn this all around was by using the political process, well, as we played games at the polls these unconstitutional powers continued to chew away at our Constitution.
We have allowed ourselves to become so divided in America that no one side is strong enough on their own to deal with the matter at hand. If Americans would wake up and just understand that the Governments top priority is to keep us divided to keep us weak, maybe we would learn to live together with our differences and focus our energy on the removal of a corrupt governing power.
The only problem with our government is YOUR SIDE LOST! You no longer want free government by the people. The only fix we need is for more Democrats to get off their wide behinds and vote in a true majority in the Senate!
There is the perfect example of what is wrong in this country, you don't care at all about what is right, all you care about is "Your Side" well, both sides are wrong and totally corrupt and you are not taking sides against me, but against the Constitution and America.
Via the US Constitution, Article II, Section 4: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
(The Process - short version)
Unfortunately, Articles of Impeachment must originate in the House Judiciary Committee. The Full House must then vote on such an article and be approved by a majority vote. This approved Article must then be sent to The Senate for trial and a two-thirds vote is required for conviction and then the Senate must again vote for impeachment.
With this congress does anyone believe this would be possible? It would never get out of the Democratic Liberal Progressive lead Committee.
Hey Sandra, how's it going? If you really want to get involved with people that are doing something constructive, look into the those groups that are holding the Constitution up as where we need to get back to.
The groups are varied with the patriots on the "right" and toward center, and the Constitutionalists in the center going "left or right"
Check out www.givemeliberty.org for some well grounded intelligent people into getting back to the Constitution, and showing who is really in charge over governments and finances...
Impeachment won't do it unless the guy's got honor. Remember Clinton.
How could he be impeached if health care passes? Have I missed something?
Before impeaching Obama let make sure Bush has been impeached and hopefully sent to hell where he belongs for the many crimes he committed
Agreed! He is just as much to blame for where we are, as is anyone else.
What many forget? These people were voted in....Why exactly?
And Clinton, and whoever was before him, all the way down to Woodrow Wilson I believe. Or may be Taft, not sure who exactly started this mess. Yeah, Wilson, just checked it up.
League did not institute FED and legalize income tax. Wilson did.
Yeah, and come to think of it, Congress didn't ratify the League of Nations either.
I have no idea about it, and I don't think UN is among your major problems. Uncontrolled FED and government definitely are.
Until we get rid of big business; not very much the little people can do about it.
Big business is a product of government regulations.
It's the serpent eating its own tail. BB influences Government , which, in turn favors BB and so on and so on.....
No doubt about this - yet the source of this is still government, cause corporations could not even exist without laws and regulations defining them
HAHAAA, I love how everyone always hates the president in their country! First everyone hates bush, not people start hating on obama....
I hate to say "I told you so," but..........
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I hate that soo much. I told you so, but you did. err.
lol This freaking thing is 3 1/2 hours! Where did you find this video at? Do you make money when I watch it? It is a great video so far, but I am only 10 min. in. Sum it up for me, we are owned by the stock holders of the fed. reserve?
No - I do not make any money if you watch it.
Just watch the damn thing. And what convinced me is the obvious fear in the narrator's voice towards the end when he ... Just watch it lol
Dang, Mark--I'd love to watch it, but this satellite Internet access I've got won't allow me enough bandwidth to watch a Hooters commercial, let alone a serious 3.5 hour vid.
Humm, nice language, and no one got banned, is this a first?
How does hating Obama help anything? Do something about it.
It isn't like McCain would've been so much better. He would have almost certainly put Phil Gramm in charge of Treasury--the same Phil Gramm who sponsored the repeal of Glass-Steagall and a buttload of other financial deregulation that cleared the way for the Big Rip Off--the same Phil Gramm who called us a 'nation of whiners' for complaining about losing millions of jobs due to the crash.
As long as we just play these childish "I hate the President" games nothing will change. We have to get off this right versus left thing and all the Obama hating. It just keeps us tearing at each other instead of going after any bad guys.
Well, literally just saying I hate Obama makes me feel better so...
I asked Pappa Blues how we get him impeached and he said we would have to get all the democrats impeached too. Now, I was looking up how to get the president impeached and it says we have to petition with the houses judiciary committee with the charges and then they will decide if it will pass etc...
What I don't know how to do is get it to the house judiciary committee. I don't know if McCain would have done the same thing but I know that Obama is doing bad things.
He has to have done something illegal...not just bad. Politicians do bad things all the time, very few get CAUGHT doing something illegal.
Besides its the Congress that needs to be fired, pratically to a seat. The average Senator can do more harm in two years than the President can do in eight.
So it's not considered treason to write secret letters to our Nations enemy North Korea?
Surely there has to be something.
No what I mean is, you are an excellent writer. Write to everyone, write to Washington, join organizations to hold Wall Street accountable, use your good brains to do something instead of just complain about Barack Obama.
This crisis has been building for at least 25 years. Pinning it on this one guy makes no sense, and even if it WAS totally his fault--which it isn't--just blaming him is not effective in any way.
LOLO Nice thread Sandy! When you realize McCain wouldn't have done any better, and the problem is not in a personality or party affiliation, we can start talking seriously.
I love Obama and he is doing a good job in the dire situation. Life long Democrat, liberal, a sexy intelligent woman who is not fickle .
wow....all this hating the president stuff is really sad! A year ago the stock market was on the brink of collapse and at the lowest point in about 7 years or more. Today, it's a different story. It is hard to say he's not doing anything and he's doing bad to the country- really? I thought when he got the job the country was already in a mess- no? Unemployment needs to go down and the economy needs to be fixed, but things look like they are slowly turning around.
One more point, the President actually signs off on stuff, but it has to pass congress first! So, may be you want to lobby your elected officials before you get to the President because there is only so much he can do by himself. Hey, while you are it- please tell me who would do a better job and what could be done at the time (He was elected) and this time with the state of the country. It is so easy to sit down and complain, but the hard part comes when solutions are needed. Hatred solves nothing! Unity can solve a host of problems with common sense and solutions for a better country.....America may not be doing all that well now, but it is a resilient country and it will be better!
you're right, deidra, imagine palin in the white house.
however, the stock market is just setting everyone up. check back in the next 10 months on that one.
unity? there is no unity in this country. there are democrats. there are republicans. the corporation likes it that way. it has no fear that the people would actually unite.
If you are going to start impeaching every President who doesn't get you what you want the first year, then we're a Banana Republic already, might as well just pack it in and move somewhere safer.
Exactly. Besides, I thought the greatest treason in your country was getting a blowjob while at work. I don't follow your politics too closely, but this seems to be the gist, from what I have seen, here and there
The illegal thing which he and the majority of congress are guilty of, is the violation of their oath of office, essentially perjury, by passing a health care bill even though the constitution does not grant them the power to do so, and therefore violating their promise to "uphold and protect" the constitution. That has to be an impeachable offense!
Silliness. This "logic" could be used to impeach any president. Fortunately cooler, more thoughtful heads always prevail.
Why? The democrats were ready to impeach Bush over the WMD "lie"? Clearly both Congress, and the President have every intention of violating their oath and not unknowingly so either. This is perjury plain and simple. They have intentionally defrauded the American people by swearing to uphold the constitution and intentionally violating that oath!
The difference is that Bush's actions lead to the deaths of thousands. Health care would benefit Americans. Sad that the difference isn't clear. I suppose, using your logic Social Security and Medicare should be eliminated. It also amuses me that people cry about the cost of the health care system proposed. How much have we spent to kill people in foreign countries over the last 7 years? I guess we should have saved it.
Health care doesn't benefit Americans it subjects Americans to the will of government! It takes away your rights to your body and it forces others to pay for it! Indeed it's imposittion may lead to the deaths of thousands as the government attempts to limit the cost by rationing care and deciding which care is appropriate.
And yes social security and medicare/medicaid should never have been enacted!
Now please don't use the need for security to justify a massive government entitlement. It is not the responsibility of the federal government to address the nations health nor do they have the authority. If your state wants to provide universal health care they may such as MA has, but the feds don't have that authority. What they can do is regulate cross border commerce, and eliminate laws that restrict insurance company competition across state lines.
What I find really sad is the ignorance of our system!
You could remedy that by reading more and ranting less.
Reading left wing blogs doesn't count as being informed on the issues. Perhaps you should read the constitution and the words of the founders that wrote it!
I have, more extensively than most. Of course I can never find any of the rights in there that you keep referring to, but I'll keep trying.
I loves me some consty tooshun.
Well why don't you look at article 1 section 8 and explain to me where the authority is for congress to enact health care?
I'll be waiting...
Keep waiting. You are correct. We still live in a tiny agrarian society that has not advanced technologically or in terms of world status. We should keep our laws the same, count northern black people as 2/3 of a person in terms of census, and enslave those living in the South.
Thank you for the info.
Gee Ron, you sure have some radical views,racist!
The 2/3rds census rule to which you refer was utilized not to measure a person and/or his or her value to or in society but to equal State Legislative Power and taxable liabilities of the day. Without this “accounting” rule the southern States would have had a voting majority and would have been responsible to pay the majority of the Government tax revenue. The 2/3 rule balanced that inequity.
Oh I see. So according to you the constitution doesn't mean anything and Congress and the President can just do what they want. So why do they take an oath to uphold it?
While you're at it you may want to read up on the 2/3 thing...you obviously don't understand what was happening at the time.
The need for security? We invaded an independent foreign country so an incompetent president could be seen to be doing something. Iraq was no threat to the US or its interests in the Middle East. But since they couldn't find people who were a threat they decided that distracting the country, and lying about it, were a better alternative. And yes, the feds do have the authority to enact national health care if the state governments don't argue against it. And yes, ignorance is terrible. Get educated.
So Bush was "upholding the constitution" by invading a country that had not attacked us? Which section please, I'd like to see it. Did Bush have a constitutional right to use his signing statements to re-write laws passed legally by congress? Your use of constitutional righteousness seems very selective.
Mine's not. I actually agree with you on Bush 100%.
Your consistency is rare among Obama haters.
First off, Bush isn't the president so using a wrong commited by Bush to justify a wrong by Obama is absurd! Just like the signing statements that Bush used, Obama is also using them, the difference is the MSM press is giving Obama a pass on them! Just as Obama supported the Patriot act as a senator he has also renewed it as President with a clear Democrat majority. And No Bush didn't have constitutional authority to go into Iraq, only Congress can declare war, but many on the left supported it and voted for the funding, including Hillary Clinton. However, had Saddam allowed the IAEA access to all the requested sites, there would never have been a war, so it isn't fair to blame it entirely on Bush. Saddam did not want Iran to know that he DIDN'T have WMD.
For the record, I was opposed to the Iraq war, to signing statements and to the Patriot act as I am opposed to congress trashing the constitution by this unauthorized takeover of health care and the violation of my personal freedom guaranteed by the Bill Of Rights!
This post is of course much more typical of the haters.
I don't see why - AFAICT, Poppa Blues is making the point that there isn't much difference between George W. Bush and Obama. I don't know why it's so hard to grasp that there is far less difference between the mainstream political parties than the press and partisans would have people believe. That's certainly true in my country (Britain); why should it not also be true in the US? Particularly when there's so much evidence to prove it.
The only thing I would quibble with in that post is the bit about Saddam Hussein kicking the IAEA out - although they were expelled in the 90s, they were readmitted in January 2003; they just weren't given enough time to do their stuff before war was declared. (Not that I'm a fan of Saddam I hasten to add, but I just thought I'd mention it. And whether there is ever enough time to prove that someone *isn't* doing something is a moot point...)
Except with JFK. There are hate-filled lunatics out there. Look at what happened to Berlusconi this week. If that idiot had been armed with a gun instead of a holy paperweight...
Yep, your right here. Congress writes law. Its up to the judiciary to determine costitutionality and legality.....Its a stretch to try and prove intent....
Gee, I not sure but I think attempting to “transform” our Republic is more than likely a Constitutional offense, my bet is such actions could be considered Treason, Abuse of Power, and/or a "violation of public trust" as defined by Alexander Hamilton in the Federalist Papers.
–verb (used with object) 1. to change in form, appearance, or structure; metamorphose.
2. to change in condition, nature, or character; convert.
3. to change into another substance; transmute.
Apparently "they" a are attempting to "transform" our Republic, into what who knows? But I'm pretty sure we don't want it, wonder why "They" do?
But then again, its just a guess.
The more hatred you have the more you are harming only yourself. lol
You really think McCain would have been a better vote? Nothing would be any different right now, actually, they would be argueably worse with Palin waiting for McCains heart to give out.
Of course he's dealing with the people that caused the collapse, who exactly do you think has the real power? The leader of a country or the leaders of the financial system...
I personally think that Howard Stern would've had a much better grip on the whole thing.
I guess now would be a good time to sell some of my personal bumper stickers.
"I remove Obama/Biden stickers for $2.50" <-- sticker costs $3.00
"Can you pull the knife from my back, I voted for Obama" <--also $3.00
leave him alone arseholes, just because one person aspires to make a change, hes doing good things, let him get on with it, wankers
In reading your profile it is quite easy to decern the motivations for your politcal attitude. Once you gain some perspective, via your paycheck and the impact on your quality of lifestyle my bet is you'll rethink your opinion.
I'd suggest you pay attention now or pay the price for not doing so.
It is surprising how little responsibility the common man takes for himself. At the same moment he wishes to be totally free and blames his leader for lack of vision.
Barack Obama is not responsible for your troubles. He is your leader; how can you possibly see his vision if you do not wish to be led?
Barack Obama is like any other president; he is a ruse. A celebrity. That you are blaming him for your troubles is in fact, proof that the ruse is working.
Barack Obama stands for change. You may believe not much has changed, but how much of your life have you changed [intentionally] in order to facilitate progress in these times? Are you doing the same thing you were doing during the Bush Adminisration and expecting change simply because a different man took office?
Barack Obama still has a government and people he needs to sway in order to achieve his promises. WIth every passing day, inaction allows the government to operate for and without you.
Do not blame Barack Obama for your problems. Have you thought of his perspective? Do you see him as a person? Or just as a president?
What would YOU have done?
I would have pulled the government over to the side of the road and let the banks, unions, manufacturers and businesses duke it out. Businesses come and go every day here in America. If the government isn't worried about the local barbershop, why should it worry itself about an automobile manufacturer? Let the free market do what the free market does and drive on.
And as for the guy who loves the Colts, the Constitution isn't a list of your Rights, it's a list of the limitations that the government has concerning your rights. Your list of rights is too long to list so they limited the Bill of Rights to what our forefathers considered the top ten most important. In order for the Government to take away your right to 'A' it first has to enact a law that restricts 'A'. If you look at Amendments 13, 14 and 15, they basically abolish the 2/3 property rule that slaves fell under. You really should pay more attention in class.
He's my leader? No. He's not.
What would I have done differently? For one thing, I wouldn't attempt to force people to buy health insurance. For another, I'm right with Palin on "Drill Here, Drill Now"--which makes sense, because I was working in the energy field at election time. My job got Obamafied within 4 months after his election.
What else would I have done differently? Afghanistan: Either give the generals what makes sense to them (unless I can prove they're off base tactically) or get the troops out once and for all, with or without Bin Laden. Afghanistan has long been known as the "Graveyard of Empires" for a reason. We thought we'd make a better job of it than the Russians did? A bit arrogant, are we?
What ELSE would I have done differently? Heck, I can't think of much I'd have done the SAME.
You understand the game. A deep game which goes at least four levels. This very thread demonstrates that the game is working.
WOW there are some sad souls here. It you think the person in the presidents seat will mean you cant lose your job,you are sorely mistaken. You keep a job by keeping up with a global economy which we havent done in the last 10 years. If you find your job as a checkout person is being loss to self checkout computers , guess what...go to community college,use the college money provided under the Obama admin and become a surgical tech or many of the under two year certifications that will help you in a global economy. Speaking of a global economy Palin wants to teach kids that evolution didnt exist, never mind now that we can ID THRU dna the origins of human life. I WENT TO LAWSCHOOL IN THE 80'S and really felt like I was accomplishing squat. SO,I left went and got a phd in biology, while I was still young. even still...I DO NOT EXPECT TO WORK IN THE SAME JOB FOR 30 YEARS, IT DOESNT HAPPEN LIKE OUR GRANDPARENTS ANYMORE. I shudder to think how this country will be able to compete with politicians denying evolution and Korean kids learning to manipulatate genetics in the first year of college.
AS FOR FORCED TO BUY INSURANCE.... I think everyone that doesnt want to buy or take part in govt, insurance should sign a waiver....stating you wont be taxed on any health care nor will you get any free healthcare medicare or longterm care...cover by the bill, should you get ill. Not even the unexpected car accident, home repair injury, test for prostate or breast cancer... go all on your own and when the hospital creditors call to take your home for non payment of a 20.00 asprin, should they treat you and should the hospital sue and take your asset.your home,dont ask for housing assistance. I started paying 6 yrs ago 60 a month for my health insurance I NOW PAY 210. You gonna be a republican, walk and talk republican all the way to libertarian [WHICH SOME PARTS LIKE PRIVACY,I LIKE] ....an on that note merry christmas, happy hanaukka, and blessed yule
There was always something about him that I wasn't sure of. He always seemed to say all of the right things at the right times, and always had all of the right people by his side. He kinda made me think of Hitler.
Wasn't he also a community activist of sorts?
Ron, I would like to see a tag team of you and a new hubber, Alan Bogle, in this thread. Have ya met?
I think it would be entertaining!
You and one or two others seem to do a nice line in airy dismissal of people with opposing points of view, without actually coming up with any substantial counterarguments.
Do you like Obama? Why? Tell us, oh great star.
Haven't met him yet, don't know anything about him, not qualified to speak about him; therefore: I HATE him.
Just trying to keep with the spirit of this thread.
be careful of the things you are not sure of, it might cause and get you in trouble.
this is an old adage, but then I believe in it..."ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your own country" and let us move our butt for our own sake,,,,,
fuck the country, it does not care about you a tiny bit. How many Bushes and Obamas you need to finally realize this?
it is just one way of saying, I couldnt depend on them, even the structures to make my life any better, I just continue to become a good citizen, earning for my own sake and bettering myself.....
Agreed, its rugged individualism that makes the country great. The fact that we can come together and rally around a cause should not be used to confuse us with facist or socialist....
It definitely has this meaning, too - however the primary meaning is: sacrifice your life for your country without expecting anything in return, and this is why I strongly dislike this adage, and definitely do not believe in it
I made the adage more meaningful, just to make sense of it,
MISHA SOUNDS TO ME THAT YOU ARE NOT A FAN OF AMERICA.
feel free to move to any country that will have you. and something tells me while we have sons and daughters dying for your right to speak your mind here, limited as it may be, we who love our country regardless of politics will each donate a dollar for a one way ticket to ....hmmm, misha. sounds Russian.
YES, one way to Russia. Even better kazatstan, they have cuties like Borat there. YOUR WANNA KNOW WHAT THIS COUNTRY GIVES YOU IN RETURN.....FREEDOM AND THE ABILITY TO WRITE ANTIAMERICAN POSTS WITHOUT THE GOV'T AT YOUR FRONT DOOR. ~
Usually people shout because of subliminal feeling of being wrong
Sorry, I did not see your post before, I would have answered earlier. Yes, I am Russian, and yes, I will leave your country the moment my wife gets ready for this. I had enough socialism in my life, I don't want it any more.
And no, your boys and girls die not for your freedom, it's a lie. No American freedoms were endangered in Vietnam or Korea, no American freedoms are endangered in Iraq or Afghanistan. They die for Bushes and Obamas and their puppeteers to earn more money. Meanwhile, Bushes, Obamas, Clintons, and who not are ripping you of your freedoms.
Misha, As an AMERICAN, I am proud of my country and of my new President. He is a human being and will make mistakes as we all do but to live under the very freedom our country provides you and spout your anti-americanisim is incredolus. I really hope that you are serious about leaving our country, let me know when you go so I can see you off. I never liked communists anyway.
You guys should check out the little piece Chomsky did on the correlation between who receives the most campaign funding and who becomes president. Very interesting information, indeed.
I don't hate Obama as I think he actually beleives in what he says. I dislike his policies and some of the people he selected to give him advice.
Obama is just the face of what is wrong.
If there weren't people out their with their hand out expecting the government to cover up bad personal choices and businesses expecting the government to cover up their bad management, we would not have politcians trying to take more money from producers and give it to the lazy and incompetent. When did the majority of Americans give up self reliance?
As Pogo said, "We have met the enemy and he is us!"
Time to suck it up and say no to government handouts. Tell your elected officials to say no to government handouts!
Just seen a report a few days ago on the mortgage relief program. It cost over $800,000 per house so far, and the value of the average house was just over $171,000! What's wrong with this picture? This is just one example of the waste and incompentence of government run programs. The health care program will be just another in a series of wasteful and incompetent government programs!
Hear hear born to be free....if you have a petition to impeach, bring it on...I feel at this point, we need a new congress, hor, and a new everything....he must not get in there again....he is changing our constitution as we sit idly by just doing nothing and the general public believes they cannot....we as a whole can and should....hear hear!!
What we need is not something new, what we need is something very, very, old! A heart that is committed no matter what to uphold and defend the Constitution and our Democracy. Even to the point of bloodshed if need be. The fact is that it will come to this soon anyway. I am not one bit shy to exclaim; "Give me liberty or give me death." What this statement meant then, and still means now is, "If you refuse to give me my Liberty, you will have to kill me as I come for you! And I am not one bit afraid to stand in the face of this corrupt Government, Republican and Democrat, and tell them so. This President is not going to last long, he will dig his own grave just as soon as he has finished pushing the Americans' backs to the wall. I have news for this man, he is not the man his arrogance and pride tell him he is. He is just a man, just like me and every other man. I will admit that I feel sorry for the horrible life he had as a child, it is that life that caused him to build this false image of himself as some great man. He needed it in order to escape the turmoil of his childhood, but I do not excuse the evil it has brought to others because of this false image of grandeur.
What do you mean now swayed? I thought you always hated him. Didn't you have an anti-Obama hub like 9 months ago??
Many good points made here from both views...republican-deomocrat it really makes no difference who is elected nothing will change anytime soon and sure it won't be changed by one man overnight. Real change will take years and I do mean years. All of you who think we would be living the high life if McCain had won the election are delusional, we would still be right where we are in the $hit!!.Health care does need to be addressed as the current system of HMO's and insurance companies hold free reign over the people and what, when, where they get treated..if they get treated at all in some cases.
I surely don't have the answers we need to fix this and like I said it will take many years to find the true solution. Until then many will be angry, hurt and confused...just some of the prices we will pay for real change to come.
You people act as if a President mattered. Which is sweet, I suppose.
What we need to do is get the libertarians in power. They'll actually do something right.
What will they do? Seems to me they're inclined to do less not more.
No, they are inclined to have to government do less. They would decrease the size of the federal government, lower taxes, get rid of the income tax, legalize drugs, and get us out of our wars.
Well, I agree with legalizing drugs and avoiding unnecessary wars. The rest is unrealistic and would be for the most part a big mistake. We live in a big country, a big world with big problems which require a big government.
Libertarians would disenfranchise the extremists on both the right and the left.
That would indeed be a good thing.
????How would they do that? And why would it be a good thing? [I agree that there seems to be an excess of extremists of all stripes.]
If they gained power and practiced what they preach (a BIG if), they would whittle government down to the bare essentials - defense, public safety, etc.
This would keep conservatives out of our bedrooms and liberals out of our wallets.
Both good things.
I kind of agree with Ron here. I don't like everything about the libertarians, but smaller Federal government would be good.
The government does many essential things beyond defense and public safety--such as food and drug safety (FDA), banking regulation (FDIC, FED), industrial safety and hygiene (OSHA), national parks, enforcement of environmental regulations, Medicare and Medicaid, securities trading regulation (SEC), airways regulations (FCC), and so forth. We no longer are an agrarian, small town society with 13 states. We are a complex industrial society in a shrinking world in which there are many issues that require vigilance and action by our government and international institutions to deal with the problems--terrorism, trade, intellectual property, piracy at sea, international air safety, pollution of the world's environment, nuclear arms control and disarmament. Ron Paul and the Libertarians are living in a simplistic dream world.
I think if the courts were'nt quite as complicated and citizens could stick up for themselves without it costing fortunes, a lot of things wouldnt have to be so regulated for fear of being shut down by someone protecting their rights.
Ralph, all these things you mention are in fact what government does, that's the problem, they are not very good at any of it. Private business could do all of these things and it would work better,faster, and be less expensive!
You trust Goldmine Sucks to regulate itself? And the credit card companies with their tricks and traps for the unwary? And the mortgage brokers and appraisers handing out "no doc" mortgages? And the CEOs who cook the books and backdate their stock options? And the companies who import lead painted toys from China? Etc, etc.
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