According to your reference "the statistics on abusive relationships are confusing". Probably not well reported and are, of course, about power and control just like any other couple. I also suspect the divorce rate will be high for LGBTs. Equally
This could not be achieved through democratic means and had to be forced onto the entirety of the country by 5 justices from the least democratic body in government? There are decades of legal battles ahead.
Oh wait, I wasn't aware that the government was forcing you to do anything, Oh that's right, because they aren't. Why should basic rights need a vote unless the people plan on deliberately discriminating? You aren't be forced to do anything.
The beauty of our constitution and the high court is that it protects citizens and guarantees equality under the law. Try reading up on your 14th amendment for an example of how this works. People need to mind their own business. live and let live
No one was barred from marriage because they were homosexual. All people were barred from marrying someone of the same sex, regardless of what sex is the object of their sexual desires. Equality already existed.
What? If you have stated that people are barred from marrying those of the same gender, then people of the LBGT community weren't allowed to marry each other. What you have stated in your first statement is totally amiss by its very premise.
Hardly, they were never barred from marrying someone of the opposite sex. The same as everyone. Marriage was clearly and objectively defined. Now, less so. It is not a matter of equality but one of un-defining an institution on which society rests
So, Retief, if it had been that SS marriage was the ONLY way things were done, would you as a straight person feel that you had equality having to marry someone of the same sex as that was all you were allowed?
My Irish ancestors were denied education-they started hedge schools - denied their faith-they practiced in secret.I don't give a crap what the Public world accepts-I follow my course and all else be damned.SS marriage will not endure-never has
Won't endure? How many str8 couples u know who manage 50+yrs? Some couples marrying in last few days are already there. There has been equality in some countries since 2001 - marriages still endure. I'm sure the same was said about inter-racial....
retief, you don't seem to understand the concept of equality in our society. Our laws are NOT for the FEW, Our laws are for the ALL. Any kind of segregation regarding sex, religion, creed, race, is illegal! It's called freedom from discrimination.
By endure, I mean as an institution.Once miscegenation laws were gone,there was marriage equality.After all, marriage was between a man and a woman, not a homosexual man and a homosexual woman.Love was NEVER in the legal definition.
Retief, people in the LBGT community have a right to marriage. Marriage is/should be between TWO consenting adults who love/respect each other regardless of sexual orientation. The idea that marriage is/should be between men/women is OUTDATED.
Marriage is a legal contract between two people. It should not matter to you or anyone else the race, creed, religion, beliefs or sexual orientation of those two people. People come in all shapes and colors, etc. Who are you to dictate which 2 peopl
Outdated, such a strong argument.It was a legal contract between a man and a woman-regardless of race,creed,national origin or sexual orientation - until SCOTUS rewrote that legal definition with no regard to the existing definition's equality
Anyone prepared to battle against gay people being able to marry the person they love should probably reevaluate their priorities. I'm sure there's something in their own life which actually affects them that can be improved upon and benefit from that energy.
Marriage equality has been a thing in Canada for a decade and we all still manage to function pretty okay up here so I have faith that the U.S. will not spontaneously combust as a result of this very positive step towards acceptance and equality. Enjoy!
I'm with you on this one. We've had Marriage equality in NZ for about 2.5yrs - nothing that was fortold would happen if we got equality has happened, other than happy gay couples (like myself) getting married.
How did Canada and New Zealand arrive at "marriage equality?" Was it the dictate of the judicial oligarchy or was it through the democratic vote? There is a significant difference between enacting the will of the people through elections and Decrees.
reteif...HUH?? Makes no sense. "Domestic abuse," is but ONE small percentage of reasons for divorce!! Also, by what means do you get your statistics? Must we start out by wishing people marital strife??
I have a hub on it Retief but in short - it was democratic. Not a nationwide vote, elected MPs were allowed a conscience vote (did not have to vote along party lines) on a private members bill -, three readings/votes + Royal Assent.
Then NZ followed the course of a democratic society. I may not agree with the out come but the people of NZ - through their elected representatives - spoke. The American people have been denied that opportunity by this court decision.
So, Austinstar, you have appointed yourself arbiter of the First Amendment Freedoms."America love it or leave it." How tolerant of you.Apparently the new flag of hate is rainbow hued.It will be interesting how the recent SCOTUS decisions affect 2016
No I am not dictating to you. I want you to live in a country that suits you. Don't you want to be with people that like you and have like minded ideas such as yourself? Or do you just want to hate on people that think differently and complain a lot.
Where is the hate?2016 will address whether I am alone in my objection to judicial over reach and the court assault on democracy.Point to one thing I have written that is hateful toward anyone.I disagree with an idea you hold as true, is that hate?
It is an hateful act to want to deny marriage and it's benefits based on an outdated definition of marriage. You are judging certain "types" of people to be inferior or not deserving of human happiness. Discrimination is hate by any other name.
Basically, they declared Marriage Equality! It means that any two adult humans can get married regardless of some set of pre-conceived notion of "god - defined" marriage rules. People of every ethnicity, height, weight, sexual orientation, philosophy, creed, gender, whatever are now free to marry the adult human of their choice. It's a wonderful, progressive thing!
Grace (good name that) ssm is outside of Gods remit for marriage, so when the SUPREME court vote for legalising something which God views as error, in effect the SUPREME court is stating clearly that God is wrong. Bad decision.
A step towards love and acceptance for everyone is a step closer to the end of the world... huh. You're right, maybe it is a good thing, because I don't want to live in a world where tolerance and love is a BAD thing.
Those poor Nigerian girls aren't REAL Christians! Obviously. Neither is any gay person, or anyone who wants gun control, or any anti- war profiteers. We're just worthless heathens and god doesn't love us.
Mr. Harper, please "enlighten" us as to what "will happen" in September. Now, I am going to get my gourmet popcorn now and listen to this "scenario" you "feel" will "happen". America is progressing and evolving, GET WITH THE PROGRAM.
Not predicting Armageddon, not trying to frighten people, but god will not be mocked, and this decision (and others) mocks God, so we can expect some form of judgement to follow, when is up to God, not us.
Always surprising to me that among all the things to be considered "evil", homosexual sex between consenting adults is close to #1. That = mocking god...but Not all the other shit we do to each other thats completely non consensual. What a joke...
It is a pretty sad day when people fear their God because people feel the need to live the way they feel in their hearts. If you believe in such a great God, He will understand that each individual person has their own beliefs and won't damn the worl
Agua - Glad to see you are putting the responsibility for taking care of the "gay sex" thing back into HIS hands. You say he's god, so I'm assuming he can take care of it himself. No need for humans to worry about it.
That god guy, he just doesn't seem to know what he's doing most of the time. He created humans and then destroyed them. Funny, he still didn't get it right even on the second try. Can't seem to get the creation thing right.
Mr. Harper, WOW, simply wow, now how is America going to "suffer". Please enlighten us. Wait, let me get some gourmet cheese popcorn. I'll WAIT.... I am quite fascinated by your surmising on this. Let us hear more.....I simply CAN'T believe this!
Yes, because god forgives Americas slavery and genocide, and nuking the Japanese, but gay marriage is where he draws the line. It's funny, you claim god is love yet he rewards hate, yet punish es those who love wrong. Nice god!
I didn't have a reaction and I really don't see how same sex marriage is even a Government issue. I would think the Government has more pressing issues to deal with instead of getting into peoples private lives. If someone wants to marry the same sex, that's their prerogative/business.
Personally, I have no problem with it. But the government does need to make it a legal issue. When it comes to insurance , retirement and other matters, there has to be a legality to it. I really don't believe that they should have had all the
actually, the states banning Gay marriage is the government getting into peoples private life. Gay people getting married is their private life, not your's. Was DOMA not getting into people's private life?
Mostly, we have to listen to conservative, backwards, fundamentalists, gripe and grouse about everything they imagine to be against "God's will". And they waste time trying to impose that will on other people.
I think its the right thing to do . We have no business calling ourselves a free nation when we are not all protected under the law, and we still aren't. This is just the first step, in the way that brown v. the Board of Education was the first step in the civil rights movement. Many states do not have laws that protect the gay community from discrimination. There are states enacting "Religious freedom" laws that are basically Jim crow laws for the gays. Don't get me wrong, celebrate and rejoice, but also be vigilant.
It is the end of America as the world's super power. God clearly states in the bible that marriage is for a man and a woman. Not it and it or what. People stop living in a world of lie. If you live as a gay or a lesbian, it's like you are fooling yourself. But then again, I do not have the right judge what you are feeling or struggling about because being gay or lesbian has no cure yet, even psychologically.
It is only the end of America when people don't let other people live their lives their way. What does it hurt anyone if someone of the same sex gets married. I am not gay but I sure get tired of hearing people trying to make live their way.
trying to prove the Bible is right by referencing the Bible doesn't actually prove anything! It's like if Say I'm not a liar and my proof is that I said I wasn't a liar. Using such a strategy will not succeed in making people take you seriously
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