Are you homophobic like me?

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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
Can I ask a question?

What is the sin? Is it a sin to be gay? Or a sin to have sex with someone of the same gender? (According to the Bible)
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  According to the Bible it is a sin not to marry your brother's widow... oh, sorry, I think I misunderstood the question...
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There are some quotes that suggest for a man to lay with another man as with a woman is an abomination. They are in the "Old Testament" (Jewish Torah).
  
  Nothing is said about lesbians, and some Biblical scholars that have gone to the ancient Hebrew and Aramaic language dispute even that, saying the prohibition was against same-sex cult sexual practices which were apparently prevalent at the time, and not against same-sex relationships.
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well thank you for answering my question. I appreciate it.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sin is a Biblical concept. In ethics the common term is to say something is morally wrong or unethical based on various ethical systems or standards--utilitarian, Kantian, etc. My recollection is that in all ethical philosophies saying someone "ought" to do something or "should" refrain from doing something because it is ethically wrong implies that the person is capable of doing it or refraining from doing it ("Ought implies can"). If homosexuality in nearly all cases is innate, then it makes no sense logically to say that it is morally wrong or to tell someone they should stop being a homosexual. If it could be proved on utilitarian grounds that homosexual activity was harmful to society, i.e., to the common good, it could be argued logically that someone who was innately homosexual should nevertheless not engage in homosexual activity. I don't see how that could be proved. Although many opponents of homosexuality make the weak claim that it threatens heterosexual marriage, the majority simply rely on their interpretations of the Bible, (which have long been rejected by many if not most respected theologians).
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know you're arguing with someone who (incorrectly in my opinion) says that it is wrong to be and participate in homosexuality, but I've always been of the mind that BEING homosexual isn't wrong, but DOING (pun not really intended) homosexual IS...
  
  thus, while BEING homosexual may be innate, therefore not immoral, therefore no action can be made to prevent people from BEING homosexual, ACTING on homosexuality is NOT innate.
  
  i'm NOT comparing being gay to being a murderer here, just addressing your post but - if you have a predisposition to be a serial killer, there's nothing WRONG with that until you actually KILL someone...BEING a murderer and COMMITTING murder are two totally different things...
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, laws against stealing, murder, assault, speeding are rationally based in the fact that they harm someone else or society as a whole. How do you think homosexual activity harms you or anyone or society. I submit it's illogical for you to say it's wrong for someone to follow their innate sexual instincts unless you can demonstrate harm to society or to another person.
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  One could argue (if one were so inclined) that one of the main functions of a society is to ensure its existence throughout time. A society is all for naught if there is nobody around to carry it on (this is especially true for people who don't believe in God or an afterlife; if we are just simply DEAD when we die, then in order to 'live on' at all, we need someone to carry on our legacy.) Homosexual activity prevents procreation, therefore, it can be viewed as harmful to the future of a society.
  
  This is the part where it could potentially be argued that not everyone NEEDS to be having kids, that we have overpopulation problems as it is, etc etc etc...but I submit to you that we are talking about morals and values and IDEALS and in an IDEAL world, the decisions to procreate would be a lot more thought out than they are right now...
  
  So, I would argue that homosexual activity harms society in the prevention of procreation. Also, since procreation is at the core of ALL sexual activity (in an ideal world, but please, i'm a realist, i also just plain ENJOY having sex), homosexual activity is an unnatural practice at its core...
  I'd also like to just add here that I'm not trying to change anyone's mind on anything, just having a discussion and letting you know where I stand
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  Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your argument has no statistical foundation, it's only a theory. The facts reveal, by statistics, that there are more unwanted babies and pregnancies than there are wanted ones. Therefore, the "epidemic" that is sometimes quoted as happening as far as increasing numbers of homosexuals simply isn't true. The epidemic is the reverse. It's that SO MANY heterosexuals do not keep family oriented values, are interested in sport sex than raising a family and they are proving it by leaving a trail of unwanted pregnancies and children. If the facts are any different than this, then I respectfully request that they be presented.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure I understand your jump from 'the survival of society' to 'morals and values'. It sounds like you are saying that it is our moral duty to support our own society's survival and propagation through our own sexual behaviour (having kids). Isn't this what the Nazis called for? Isn't that all very "Soviet Union" or at least "Mao Ze Dong."?
  
  As for procreation being at the core of all sexual activity, this is, frankly, and to be a little blunt, baseless.
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  except for the fact that only a small number of species on the ENTIRE planet have sex for anything OTHER than procreation...
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How does what other species do sex-wise have anything to do with the gay human population and whether humans have sex for other reasons besides procreation? Don't see the connection there, friend!
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mmmm, ok.. isn't this debate about human beings, then, because we could introduce the topic of bonobos...
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Haven't you heard that the world is over-populated?
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  glendoncabaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps there might be an ethicist to clarify, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that the Bible is a standard for ethics as well. Hence Christian ethics.
  
  Or, if you prefer, deontological ethical standards based on Christian beliefs.
  
  We can even talk about moral ethics and ethics without morality. Ethics is concerned with how we relate to others whereas morality is concerned with the good. Religious codes usually guide us in seeking to define what is good or just or righteous.
  
  So the bible remains relevant to discussion of ethics. With its teachings on sin and righteousness.
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did you ever watch West Wing? I think in the 1st or 2nd season, President Bartlett has a well deserved rant against a judgmental Dr. Laura-type character who was a homophobe. He rattled off a litany of Biblical transgressions that we no longer take seriously. Many demanded death for things like planting different crops in adjacent rows, and making clothes of different fabrics. Condoned harsh punishment for disobedient daughters. Do you happen to know if these are all in fact in the Bible? Obviously we no longer call for death for adultery, at least not in the US. All of these would be from the Old testament I presume.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Both.
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hmm. if being gay was such a sin, they should have put in in the ten commandments, as in "Thou shalt not be gay", or something.
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  creepyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then we wouldn't have had Liberace
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Or Alexander the Great
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  creepyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i didnt think he was so great
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  Eldritch Elegyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just honest opinion here, but I think the Commandments apply more to people who are already trying to follow God and do what He (and they) think is right.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  EXACTLY. I mean, this is always what I don't understand. Who would be surprised that non-believers do not follow the Bible? Isn't it OBVIOUS why they don't??? Why, for example would US law and its courts follow biblical teachings??? The US is not an arm of the Christian church.. that's part of its beauty in fact; it allows for freedom of speech, opinion, and religion...
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  Eldritch Elegyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, they uh... do.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Commandments were given to the ancient Hebrews, if we're splitting hairs.
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  really? i didn't know that. interesting. i always assumed they were for everyone, since Moses first delivered them to the Israelites, many of whom were sinners, to let them know the party was over or something.
  
  thanks for clarifying that.
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mega1posted 15 years ago
I have two questions and I figure someone here will know -

1) where does the Bible condemn condoms - I mean verse and chapter?

2) if we can choose to do so, will at least some of us grow up?
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
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Eldritch Elegyposted 15 years ago
Hmm. I'm pleasantly surprised by this thread. It's not rabid like some of the others in this forum.

Having said that, here are my thoughts:

"gloriajeanjones wrote:

I think that if these people choose to live their lives that way then that's up to them. The Bible clearly condemms this by saying, 'Man shall not lie with man'' and now we know why. We have AIDS and many more STD's. So any judging should not be made by us, God will sort them out and very soon to.

you make all christians proud"

Please don't assume that all Christians are exactly the same, because we're not. No two people are exactly alike, even in their cultures, sub-cultures and religions.

Even if I disagree with someone's viewpoint, I try not to 'chase them away' by screaming DAMNATION AND HELLFIRE at them. That doesn't help, it only makes things worse.

I like having reasonable, two-way conversations, even if we have to agree to disagree. Some might say that doesn't make me a 'true, all or nothing Christian.' I've heard that one before. Those people are just confused because they've met a lot of Bible-thumpers who don't care what anyone else has to say.

"Brenda Durham wrote:
She certainly made this Christian proud.
Not every Christian has the guts to speak the Truth as gloria did.

This would be Jesus' solution would it. You must have a different Bible from the one I've read."

Actually, Jesus was all for telling the truth about things, or at least doing what you think is right. That doesn't mean that anyone can really know exactly what's right all the time, but it does mean that you're doing your absolute best to stick to what you believe.

Anyway, my score was thus:

43 - Your score rates you as "non-homophobic."

So I don't think the test is 'rigged.' I don't think it's a 'one wrong answer and you're a homophobe' test, because I was honest when I took the test. I work with a gay man, I'm respectful to him, I don't get in his face and tell him to change. I have a friend who used to be gay, and I wasn't the one who changed his mind, although I did pray for him because I care deeply about him and, believing in God and Heaven as I do, I wanted him to just be happy and find Jesus.

I never insult gays, I never destroy anyone's property, gay or straight, and I think it's horrible that some people (who aren't true Christians) hurt or kill them 'in the name of Christianity.'

I'm tired of people saying Christians are the cause of a lot of pain and suffering and wars and whatnot. You know what? You could say that about almost anything or anyone. Just because a group of people get it into their heads that what they're doing is right doesn't mean everyone in that group agrees with it.

You could say that black people are all a bunch of gun-toting drug addicts, but that doesn't make it true.

You could be like the kids in the Victor Villasenor book I read and think that all Mexicans carry knives and stab people at the slightest provocation.

You could say that white people are bad because of the KKK.

You could say that all redheads are temperamental and mean.

The list goes on and on.

Please, don't judge everyone in little lump categories. We're all individuals.
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emievilposted 15 years ago
11 - Your score rates you as "high-grade non-homophobic."
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Hikikomoriposted 15 years ago
Sooner Than Later: are you Eminem?
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jellydonut25posted 15 years ago
Those questions were ridiculous "I would hit someone who was gay that came on to me"
well, that depends...did I already say, "Dude, NOT interested - I'm straight" and he kept coming? Was his initial come-on TOTALLY inappropriate like a kiss or something that I might even PUSH a female for doing? Plus, then you get into the double-standard, I in general would let a girl get away with more stuff than a guy before taking a swing simply because I don't think guys should hit girls...

Gay people deserve what they get? wtf! ALL people deserve what they get, imho...

I think homosexual people should not work with children. Well, what KIND of homosexuals? I don't think womanizers/total sluts should work with kids, either...

I enjoy the company of gay people...wtf again! I don't give a rats ass, gay/straight/black/white/mutant, if you're cool, you're cool - i'd say IN GENERAL i have less in COMMON with gay people (i know something like 10 gay people and i just don't have a lot in common with them)...so that makes me a homophobe??

i'll admit, I am probably a bit homophobic at my core...i can't help it, i don't agree with it on a moral level at all and would never SUPPORT that lifestyle in ANYONE i know...but this test was BS
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alexandriaruthkposted 15 years ago
no I am not homophobic
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
I am not homophobic as I do not have any fear of Homosexuals. I guess i should break the test questions down so that this quack of a doctor gets an education on word meaning and maybe diversified situations.
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  Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  With all due respect, you don't have to be "afraid" of homosexuals to be a homophobe. While fear and lack of understanding could play a part in homophobia, it's usually the lack of willingness to actually understand the issues, and the perpetuation of bias, bigotry and hatred. Homophobia isn't much different than being a member of the Ku Klux Klan. There seems to be a huge amount of ignorance and superiority among KKK members toward other races. I think homophobia as based on similar premises.
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Anamika Sposted 15 years ago
No, I am not.
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Home Girlposted 15 years ago
Homowhat? Sorry, I am from another planet...
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Daniel Carterposted 15 years ago
This may be a little off-topic, but I found it rather interesting, nonetheless. Here is the story and link:

Gay penguins make good dads
Msnbc.com's Dara Brown reports on the gay penguin parents.
German zookeepers in Bremerhaven had a problem on their hands when penguin parents rejected one of their eggs. To solve it, they placed the egg in a nest shared by two male penguins. The pair is one of three same-sex couples that have tried to mate at the zoo. The males incubated the egg for 30 days and continued to care for the chick after it hatched. Homosexual behavior has been documented in many animal species. "Sex and coupling in our world don't always have something to do with reproduction," the zoo said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34712701?pg … weird_2010
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please just don't tell me that you are trying to make the argument that gay couples should be allowed to adopt children?
  
  This is the big issue for me. There is a point when enough is enough and where you have to understand that something is just not normal. I don't have any problem with gay marriages, as somebody said it is not harming anyone, so why should you be obstructing their happiness and preventing them to get married. However, letting them adopt the children is totally insane. I mean a child should have 2 parents - a mother and a father. That is the the plain biology of humans, you can't fuccking ignore it.
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  Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not making the point you suppose. You're reading between the lines. I found the news item and I thought it relevant. That's all.
  
  Adults who want children can adopt. There are single moms who adopt, and single dads who married a woman who doesn't even want her kids. If the *person* or *couple* are capable, not a menace to society, then why deny them? However, again, that's not the point I'm making. The point is I think the more understanding and education we gain about any subject, the less threatened we become by it.
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hear hear! well said Daniel, very well said!
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure some do and some don't, but the fact is that as soon as you have the State deciding on these sorts of things, you can certainly start talking about Socialism, believe me (in other words, one of the main trademarks of totalitarian states has always been dictating what counts as deviant sexual behaviour, how children should and shouldn't be raised, and so on)
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  Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  An additional addendum:
  Please don't tell me that every heterosexual couple who has children is balanced and giving those children a balanced life! That's complete and utter nonesense. Heterosexual couples are capable of raising mentally ill, murderers and rapists, and thugs, theives and perverts, just as well as any other single or "married" person, regardless of sexual orientation. So I don't think your argument about it being gay parents being "unnatural" is holding up very well in this case. Otherwise, I might add I do believe that you seem quite open minded about many things, but really, think about it: menaces to society can come from any "good" or "bad" family. It's an individual thing, not a societal norm. Therefore, parenting also, needs to be addressed on an individual basis, not a "societal norm."
  
  Just my thoughts.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of course that not every heterosexual couple is balanced and caring and thus couples that are not shouldn't be allowed to adopt either. Of course here the issue is how do you really determine which couples are these, but that's another topic.
  
  The idea is that you give that child a chance to grow up in a normal, FAMILY environment and neither gay couples nor single people are that.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And homosexuality is a deviant behavior. No it's not hurting anyone, so there is no reason to be against it. But putting a child to grow in the deviant environment is insane.
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  Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But again, putting a child in SO MANY heterosexual "family" environments could also be considered deviant. Alcoholism, incest, mental illness, abuse--you name it. But we somehow survive even though our childhood may have been less than glorious. Some people even become significant healing, effective voices who are strong community and family builders. Others don't fare so well. Again, it's individually based.
  
  So how do you propose to "regulate" or "control" the safety of children so they can only stay in "acceptable" families? And what if, over time, the once "acceptable" family changes into something "deviant", then what? I think these things need to be carefully thought about. I don't think it's all one way or the other. I'm not saying you are all wrong in any sense, but I don't agree with what appears to be rather "knee-jerk" responses based on insights that appear to be pretty deeply set.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of course, and I already said that many heterosexual families are deviant environment too and should not be given kids to adopt. How do you weed those out? Well, as I mentioned that is another topic that is very hard to answer. In the end of the day everything that is regulated by legislation will have examples where the regulation has failed, I guess the idea is to minimize it.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  >>And what if, over time, the once "acceptable" family changes into something "deviant", then what?
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  Aren't there already institutions that are supposed to solve such cases, regardless if this are foster or biological families? Of course these institutions are far from perfect and probably sometimes do more harm than good...
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's not about what is menace to society, but to the child that is being adopted. If you are not putting that children in normal environment than yes you are hurting it big time. And pardon me, but not growing up with mother and father, but two fathers that are fuccking each other is not a healthy environment.
  
  Similarly single moms or single dads shouldn't be allowed to adopt kids too.
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I thinks it's safe for me to say that the overwhelming majority of parents, homosexual and heterosexual, conduct sexual relations in private. Children are not privy to this.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're entitled to your opinion. However, from what I've read gay couples make good parents. Gay couples are allowed to adopt children in most states if I'm not mistaken. If you mean by "normal" that heterosexuality is more common than homosexuality you are correct. But I assume you wouldn't say that green eyed or red haired people are not normal. So, why apply that term to sexuality. It carries an unfavorable connotation.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So what if they are allowed to adopt in most states? They are also not allowed to adopt in most countries in the world, what does government and legislation decide is not a good argument.
  
  Well, when we talk about normal, of course it's very relative what is normal. Maybe for you 45 years old Roman Polanski drugging and then fuccking in the ass 13 years old girl is normal too...
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I always liked the rebuttle... "How come you never see people protesting about Kate and Allie". Ah, good times...
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mega1posted 15 years ago
jellydonut - I have to refute your argument - I have known several gay men who actually married and had hordes of children, one was in the "closet" the others were just "different" = so I know gay men do procreate - and then there is the fact that human populations of just about every kind are certainly not on the endangered list! We don't have to worry about having enough people to carry on - just the opposite - we need to cut back in order to save the planet in order to carry on here. So . . . that's what I think! Being gay isn't going to harm our planet! butprocreating without a lot of thought will do a lot of damage!
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prettydarkhorseposted 15 years ago
if you are homophobic, do you also hurt them or want to, or dont want to mingle with them etc??
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't really want to mingle with homosexuals personally, but I honestly don't see how that would make me a homophobe.
  
  The decision to ACT on your homosexual desires, at the end of the day, is part of your value system, and part of MY value system is that homosexual actions are wrong.
  
  I look at it the same as not wanting to mingle with people who are ANTI-family (since I am VERY pro-family) or people who are ANTI-children (since I think having kids, when I'm ready, is going to be one of the best experiences of my life) or people who are ANTI-dog (I love my dog!)
  
  Just because I don't like people who have different values than me doesn't make me PHOBIC of them...i'm not a dog-hater-phobic...i just think dog-haters suck! I wouldn't want to hang out with Michael Vick anymore than Rosie O'Donnell...
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
This is a serious thread, correct?
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  most assuredly, my lamb friend, oh so very serious! Mustn't hijack now. Mustn't even think of it!
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's too difficult to resist the temptation....Oy!
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mega1posted 15 years ago
I can only speak subjectively on this one - the kind of sex my parents had absolutely did not affect how I was raised! but that's just me. In fact, to this day, I have no idea how they did it! In fact, the thought of them doing anything like that makes me a little ill, still!
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Parentophobe!
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
Wow! Hey! Perhaps a word like Boinking would suffice?
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livelongerposted 15 years ago
I really resent you saying that I'm deviant because I have a different sexual orientation than you. Suffice it to say your complete ignorance with respect to sexuality and the hatred you have for people different from you would make you a far worse parent than most of the gay people I know.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of course, because I don' clap with my hands every time I see gay people, I'm going to be a terrible parent and I'm totally retrograde. This is exactly what I was talking about in the first place.
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  Webmatronposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I suppose the question is how far you would go to enforce your beliefs on the child.
  
  Thought policing, physical torture, ridicule, and other active forms of abuse are lines that a loving parent would not cross.
  
  Yet, supposedly loving parents cross these lines every day, attempting to prevent their children from being Gay.
  
  If I was going to place a child for adoption, I would not want them to grow up in an environment where their sexual orientation or gender identity would be enforced through torture.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of course any family that prevents their kids from choosing and expressing their sexual orientation is making mistake. As I already said people that are abusive should not be given kids to adapt.
  
  You again are just another example of what I have been talking about all along - anyone that does not like homosexuality is labeled as Satan. So far I'm terrible parent, abusive, torturous, ignorant and so on. And this is all done by the very tolerant and open-minded folks that like to brag how accepting they are of people that are not like them and think differently.
  
  Hypocrisy at its best.
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  Webmatronposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, "Satan" isn't the term I would use. Dangerously primitive is more like it.
  
  I don't like pale skin. I find it aesthetically displeasing to see the veins under someone's skin. I would not however, make a big deal about it, and if I did, it wouldn't surprise me if someone were to label me a racist.
  
  Not liking something doesn't mean you have to make a big deal of it.
  
  Despite my aesthetic preferences, I've managed to get myself a very good, loving husband who happens to have pale skin. That didn't matter because there are so many more important things in a person, even in the beauty of a person, than their skin.
  
  So you should maybe try not making such a big deal of it. You don't like homosexuality, fine. Don't be homosexual. Just leave others to their business unless or until they do something that is actually harmful.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And how have I made such a big deal of it compared to you not liking pale skin? By posting 5 posts on this thread? That is for you a big deal?
  
  And once again how did I bothered them and did not leave them to their business? Is it also by posting 5 posts here?
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  Webmatronposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nah, the shaming people for just wanting to be left alone was the big deal.
  
  I don't call pale skinned people who don't want to wear ski masks all the time hypocrites.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately your logical reasoning is your weak side. Not because of your opinions on this or any other issue, they are totally fine, but because of your failing to understand a simple argument that I made.
  
  You saying that you don't call pale skinned people who don't want to wear ski masks all the time hypocrites implies that I claimed that gay people who don't hide their homosexuality are hypocrites. I've never said that or tried to make a point like that at all, it is a bizarre conclusion that you made. Actually I said that gay marriages should be allowed, that there is nothing wrong in expressing homosexuality, that parents should support their kids expressing it, etc.
  
  I did not call gays hypocrites, I called you a hypocrite. Hypocrisy is the act of persistently pretending to hold beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually hold. Here is why:
  
  1.You and many other here claim how very tolerant you are.
  
  2.I say how I don't like 2 men being sexually and emotionally attracted to each other, just like you don't like pale skin and find it aesthetically displeasing.
  
  3.Although labeled by you as intolerant i do not have problems with you disliking pale skin. On the other hand as a very tolerant person (at least you think of yourself that way) you do have problem with me not liking 2 men being sexually and emotionally attracted to each other and as a very tolerant person you label me as a bad parent, abusive, torturous and all the other epithets that very tolerant people use. That's not hypocrisy at all.
  
  And just to be clear, I've never said that those 2 men should care about me not liking it, just like I don't care that you have a problem with me not liking it.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And not to mention that as such a tolerant person you find it ok to use belt on kids, as a way to 'teach them discipline'.
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  Webmatronposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't recall accusing you of anything. I proposed a scenario and called something to question.
  
  If it doesn't apply to you then it didn't warrant such an extreme response as calling me a hypocrite for merely questioning things.
  
  That's why you seem overly pissed off about things...You blow stuff way out of proportion and then project that extremist line of thinking onto others.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think bringing up a child in a climate of negativity and ignorance is in the best interests of the child.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree... such as your negativity toward everyone that is not thrilled with your choices.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is it just me, or in the real world (not these forums, not TV, not the courts) there is no such problem... I mean, there are stacks of gay people in my hometown, and I don't get a vibe from either them or straight people that is either negative or positive... Where exactly is all this negativity between straight and gay people?
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You live in Canada, right? The religious right is not nearly as overpowering there.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know, they smell quite bad here too. But I am in the east... our Bible belt tends to be in the West. But even there, there are lots of hippies, so, you know, it's not so easy. And, being Canadian, we're sort of required to be moderate about everything anyway...
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Texas
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was going to say that, but I haven't actually been there, so...
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No one's asking you to be thrilled. We just want you to leave us alone.
  "Choices" - heh
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And how exactly have I bothered you? What is it that I have done to you, so that I should be leaving you alone in the first place?
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bozzie123posted 15 years ago
im homophobic
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Len Cannonposted 15 years ago
You can just call yourself a bigot instead of a homophobe if it makes you feel better.
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, I didn't read quite far enough before I made my post. I could have just said ditto.
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  Paradise7posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yowza.
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cosetteposted 15 years ago
And on the third day...
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Paradise7posted 15 years ago
I'm a heterosexual woman and not homophobic at all; I count some gay people, both men and women, as some of my best friends, so I think you lost just your case, friend.

I think you're overly zealous perhaps in disliking the lifestyle, which is none of your business if you don't happen to be gay, and THAT'S what brings all the flack down on your head.

If you were as willing to live and let live as most gay people I know are, you wouldn't have a problem.

I'm not gay and have NEVER got any heat from gay people for NOT being gay. Leave 'em alone. It works, I promise!
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Haha, you are funny you know that? I've been studying and playing in theater, where you can imagine many of the people I worked with are gay. If we ever had any problems do you think I would be casted in all their plays? My landlords were gay too, we became good friends. Who ever mentioned getting any heat? And again how am I bothering them, so that I should be leaving them alone? The fact that you are inferring all these things tells more about yourself.
  
  Again, if you are so tolerant why is it such a problem for you if someone publicly dislikes something?
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  Paradise7posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You were the one complaining about being labelled homophobic, as I recall. What else can one infer?
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
I really didn't want to see this go anywhere beyond what I believed was a missuse of the word 'homophobic'. That is all. Accepting what homosexuals are going to do and accepting homosexuality are two different things. I'm not going to try to change or hinder your life style, but use the word correctly.
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  Paradise7posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe I DID misunderstand your complaint. It was a semantic thing rather than the lifestyle you object to. Right?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well you certainly seem to fit the word very well, despite starting a thread specifically to deny it. Does it bother you now you realize that homosexuals scare you? Perhaps you have some leanings in that direction - and that is the real fear?
  
  It is OK - you are amongst your best friends that you share everything with.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hey marky mark. I missed you.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  HaHaHa!
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of course all the men that are not homosexuals are actually latent homosexuals. I mean how couldn't they be, being sexually attracted by girls is not so cool and is inferior to wanting to fucck with other guys.
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
I don't think it is a misuse of the word. Someone who is homophobic doesn't accept homosexuality.

I don't get what you mean.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is a difference between accepting it and liking it. For you disliking homosexuality equals to being homophobic, which by itself is used as negative... so tolerant.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  what it really started out as was a quacks assumption of a mental condition against homosexuality. Its giving a negative context for those who dissagree with it.
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood"
  
  Are there different levels of people who are homophobic? Sure. From someone who believes that homosexuality is wrong and homosexual people do not deserve rights... to someone who acts on their beliefs. We fear what we don't know. And even though "phobia" is a psychology term, for many people that is often the case.
  
  It is not a word that is overused.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is there a line? By the looks of things I don't think so. Some don't want God or the bible in schools. Fine, I can agree with that. I don't want evolution or biased political and social issues in the class room. Where would we ever draw a line?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just as a matter of interest - does your homophobia stem from your ridiculous religious beliefs? Not sure why you do not want proven scientific facts taught in school. What exactly do you want taught? Spanish?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know you have the 'facts' now... until they change them again. Spanish is good.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Lots of gay men in Spain. Watch out - it might be catching.
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm going to take exception to this...because it's the EXACT problem I have with people who support homosexuality/gay marriage/etc...people justifying their position because my beliefes are RIDICULOUS
  
  if there's any epidemic of bigotry and hatred in the world today, it's against God and religion...anyone who believes in God is automatically a religious nut...it's infuriating
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  if your beliefs state that homosexuality is a sin, they 're ridiculous
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  and if you're beliefs state that the unnatural act of two same-sex individuals being together is not wrong, they're ridiculous...
  
  see how easy it is??
  
  way to be tolerant...that type of attitude is the exact reason why there are so many people that react so adamantly AGAINST gay rights...
  
  i was all for having a discussion on this, but if we can't show each other mutual respect then why bother?
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But wait, "tolerance" does not cover beliefs, it covers ways of life, and actions. I think that some things are ridiculous (circumcision of babies, let's say), but I am tolerant in that I respect the right of Jewish people and Muslims to do this (as long as it is done humanely... there are some principles that no-one disagrees with).
  
  You are not required to like homosexuality. You are not required to think it is ok. But you are not permitted to try and squash it through the courts, or the legislature (I don't mean you, of course, personally).
  
  Similarly, I don't have to like people telling me that my whole family is unethical because they are not religious, but I do not have the right to stop you from saying it.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Homosexuality is not going to be discuss by me.
  I'm a free thinker and everybody has the same rights .
  It's not a sin and nothing to be ashamed of.
  so don't talk to me about disrespect.
  when your religion teaches you to disrespect unbelievers, by saying they're sinners, they're lost souls and things like that.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is my last say.
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you have to have a serious misunderstanding of religion to think that it teaches people to be disrespectful...unfortunately (and i can feel myself derailing this thread and making it about religion and not homophobia) there are a lot of people who BELIEVE in religion AND believe it teaches that they can disrespect others
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  glendoncabaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey jellydonut, I just read your fantastic review of Avatar. You write with passion. From the heart. Attitude. Awesome.
  
  I was kinda expecting the church choir when I clicked your profile
  
  Ran right into a movie buff. Cool. Totally against the grain, and reminds me that cliches and assumptions can be so wrong.
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  thanks for the kind words.
  
  yeah, I'm actually not overly religious and probably about a quarter of the stuff I've said in this thread is in the "devil's advocate" realm...I enjoy a good discussion...especially one that is GENERALLY respectful, which this has been
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is a little warped, but I actually agree with you in any case... there is definitely an epidemic of ridiculing people with faith (and I take part in it, I put my hand up). You are right. It is bigoted and intolerant.
  However, people who support homosexuality do not always do it because they think religious beliefs are ridiculous... this is simply not true. It is a human rights issue... religious people should have the protection of religious freedom, and all people should be permitted to do whatever they want with other consenting adults, when it comes to the sexual arena.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I really have to ask you what the fucck are you talking about? I mean do you at all read what someone that you are discussing with is saying or do you just do your rant?
  
  I said that gay marriages should be allowed, that there is nothing wrong in expressing homosexuality, that parents should support their kids, that there's nothing bad in gay people it's not like they are evil or corrupted and so on. Yet you keep saying how i am phobic, that I'm saying that they do not deserve rights, that I want to dehumanize them, bla bla... And all that just because i don't like what they do. You really are extremely intolerant person. I guess it's some kind of phobia.
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Umm no.
  
  I accept homosexuality even though I myself am not homosexual.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, I know this was reply to his comment.
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
" Accepting what homosexuals are going to do? "

What does that mean?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing.
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ?
  You can't tell me what that means?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No. I have seen what your opinion about homosexuality is and you know mine. I don't want to take it down the dusty road. sorry.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It means gay sex. They're playing Pascal's Wager with Leviticus 18:22.
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
You're making an issue out of a non-issue. It really has nothing to do with you. If your religion says that being a homosexual or having sex with someone of the same sex is a sin, then cool, don't be a homosexual. I don't get how you can say you don't agree with something that really has nothing to do with you. If you agreed with it then you'd be homosexual right??
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
Its "Espanol es bueno".
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
muy bueno
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
Si no te gusta la homosexualidad entonces no ser gay.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
Si no te gusta mi opinión, después se van.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think I might be having a brain hemorrhage. Suddenly I can't read the words on my computer screen...
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
I'm sorry that you are closing off your life to a group of people because you can't see past your own beliefs. I'll pray for you. Have a good night
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drej2522posted 15 years ago
Colebabie! You're always good at putting in the final dagger!
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Dre! You're awesome! Ok now off to the alehouse, have a good night
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
I don't like responding to people that curse at me.

However, I was talking to sooner, not to you. I haven't read any of your posts. Sorry for the confusion. Have a nice night.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cool. Sorry, I didn't know that you haven't read any of my posts,I thought you did, before you replied to it.
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
I was replying to sooner's comment. And I suggest you chill with the cursing, two "c"s or otherwise.
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
took the quiz and like i had thought I am not a homophobic. Never was one and never will be one either!
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  gold star
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yay me can I put it with my other gold stars Sooner?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  its yours, I don't care. hmmmm haha
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't take online quizzes, but please enlighten me is whether a person is homophobic determined based on this quiz?
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rmcrayneposted 15 years ago
Disk/sooner

Let me get this straight. Those of us who take a stand against intolerance or bigotry, are intolerant of intolerance, and therefore also bigots? Nice.
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  Diskobolosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, not at all. You are intolerant, because you have characterized my disliking as intolerance. I already repeated 5 times that gay marriages should be allowed, that there is nothing wrong in expressing homosexuality, that parents should support their kids, that there's nothing bad in gay people it's not like they are evil or corrupted and so on. So how am i intolerant?
  
  Because for me 2 men having sex with each other is disgusting and unnatural? I'm not even saying they shouldn't do it, of course they should if they like it, but I don't and I find it disgusting and unnatural. Can't you tolerate that?
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did someone just say "Let me get this straight"?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  why are you breaking down the love triangle like that. Its totally natural. If it happens enough, a guy could get pregnant. wait.... didn't that really happen for them? But for us it seemed like a previous girl getting prego could happen. anyway, all natural.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why are you spending even one second contemplating what gay people do in the bedroom?! Seriously, why the fixation?
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mmmm, it's a good thing nobody believes in Freud anymore...
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EndingHymnposted 15 years ago
35 - Your score rates you as "non-homophobic."

I have nothing against gay people. I have no qualms with them marrying or anything. The only thing that really bothers me is when they try making advances towards me. Just feels awkwardly scary at those times. But hey, I have gay friends. I don't mind them as people.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not to excuse boorish behavior, but now maybe you understand how women feel about unwanted advances.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Anyone who is wondering what is wrong with the world, look no further! The homophobe who wrote this post has bought the subject up to try justifying his stone age belief yet again!
What is wrong with you? Are you scared that you are a homosexual?
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livelongerposted 15 years ago
It's a sad commentary on the Christianists themselves who are certain Jesus condemned homosexuality despite him never once mentioning it, but have nothing at all to say about, say, divorce, which Jesus explicitly condemned no fewer than 5 times. You don't see them foaming at the mouth at divorcees, or, God forbid, try to outlaw divorce.

What was that part about Jesus hating religious hypocrites again?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  luckily we have you people around to point out our flaws. Thank you.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's your religion. I'm just pointing out those parts that you seem awfully intent on ignoring.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We all fall short of the glory of God. I don't think I'm better than you. Just don't get angry that I dissagree with you. That is not hypocricy. You just take it that way because you feel victimized.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I really don't have an issue with you disagreeing with me. I have a problem with people trying to get laws passed against us, using cherry-picked Biblical scripture as their justification.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They're all going to hell: Part Two of Matthew Chapter 25... I'll be quoting this one till I'm grey...
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tantrumposted 15 years ago

Edenic Diet !

Sounds Heavenly !
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
...must stay away...
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Run !
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
You and Adsense seem to have this one.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm quitting !
  Too boring
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. It just sucks that some people are so judgmental and disrespectful I feel sorry for people sometimes.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are too kind !
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
When I know how fortunate I am and that someone else isn't as fortunate as me, I feel sorry for them, can't help it

There are plenty of people who believe in God, are religious, etc. that I don't find ridiculous. It isn't those with religion or a belief in God that need help. Its just the people in general who deny a group of people because of their own personal beliefs or ideas. If you don't agree with homosexuality, then don't be gay.

I don't know why it has to be more difficult than that.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It shouldn't!
  But if you take Christianity by the Book, you're prone to judge them as sinners.
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  that's all well and good but I also don't think it means I am morally/legally/societally obligated to campaign for gay rights...
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly! So because of religious reasons you should abstain, because in regards to gay rights, it has nothing to do with you.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You definitely are not. Definitely not
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
And furthermore what makes one sin stronger than another?

I've had sex and I'm not married, yet I don't see a picket line of people outside my door step refuting my ability to have rights, or telling me my personal acts are disgusting. And having sex before marriage was a choice. Being gay is a part of who someone is.

How can it be a sin to be who you are?

To me, it can't be. And argue about whether or not someone is born gay, go for it... but those who do not accept homosexuality simply do not understand it, and if you can't understand it, then you are not one to say it's origin.
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  but ACTING gay (ie taking action on gay feelings/desires) is a CHOICE...
  
  you can't help who you are attracted to but you CAN help what you do about it...
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But repressing feelings and actions is just denying who you are, and no one would want to live life unhappy and in denial.
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  (this is going to go WAY too far to the religious side for it to get taken seriously, but we're having a discussion and airing our opinions, no?)
  there ARE other ways to FIND happiness though than in the arms of another person...we are all called to be/do certain things in our lives, perhaps those people who are born gay (and yes I realize homosexuality is inborn not a choice) are called to do/be something else??
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think that some people do not need sex, it is probably true. But I suspect some people simply do need it... and some of those people are gay...
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tell me one single healthy human being that doesn't need sex.
  Please!
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mmmm, not sure how libel laws work on the Internet...
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's not deviant behavior and they're not priests. Why should they have to be celibate? Consenting adults...
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you are kidding right ???
  Are you a human being !!???
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  are you by any chance a hedonist? just do whatever you want as long as it brings you pleasure?
  
  Sometimes denying yourself something makes you happier and enables you to find your true calling...
  
  I know that I love the hell out of my wife, and to be perfectly honest, the days I love her the most, are the days that I sacrifice something for her happiness...
  
  Sacrifice is an amazing way to find happiness...but hey, maybe I'm just a religious nut!
  boogah boogah!
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But the point is that this might be workable for some people, but I'm sure it is not workable for everyone (or even, as Tantrum "suggests" , most people)
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  true...hence why it is such a complex issue...
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Either way, it would seem awfully strange if the only people "meant" to restrain themselves were the gay ones. Besides, a fundamentalist I think would say that you 'sin in your heart' when you have sexual urges, so it is NOT just about actions...
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  there's debate there (maybe not on the 'fundamentalist' side but in general)...what's the difference between an uncontrollable sexual URGE and LUST? or wanting/desiring and COVETING?
  
  there's a line, and it's not necessarily clear...
  
  also, I never said that ONLY gays are called to abstain...there can be (and are) straight people that are called to a non-"typical" lifestyle
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I guess my problem is that, if I believe in "being called" at all, it would not be in the context of religion. I think people could have a calling, maybe, but I wouldn't myself think that religion has anything to do with it... except for those people who are already religious..
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yeah, I said when I put my first post on "calling" that it would get too close to religious aspects...but I still feel that everyone has something they are MEANT to do, or called to be or if you're REALLY not into fate/religion/destiny, that you just REALLY REALLY are happiest being and PERHAPS (just perhaps) people who are gay would actually be HAPPIEST doing something else...
  
  some people spend their whole lives looking for love only to realize they were MEANT to be single...others spend their lives trying to avoid the "trap" of marriage, only to fall in love...
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, this seems right. But a gay person gets to decide this for themself, just like a straight person. And as was just said a few seconds ago, for many (most?) gay people, gayness is, in a sense, a whole world of "being." In fact, aren't most things like that... professions can be like that, for example
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If God made people gay and his purpose was for them to "do/be something else" then that is a cruel God. A God who would deny a person love, affection, family, and companionship. I commend you on your knowledge of homosexuality, because many people still believe it is a choice. However I don't think that is God's plan for gay people. Gay people are gay. And God says not to judge others, because everyone is different. If people spent less time judging those who didn't believe as they did, and worried about their own lives we wouldn't be talking right now. And the fact that I'm having another conversation about the sin of homosexuality is ridiculous. Although, like I said, I do appreciate your view on the subject.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's the prize you have to pay if you're a Christian gay.
  go figure!.....
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  True!
  But for 'christians' having sex before marriage is a sin as well.
  the difference I think is that you can still procreate, whilst they can't. That makes your sin less serious than the other.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  WHAT????!!!!
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know I'm a sinner. Shocker!
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
And why is it that someone is called to a non-"typical" lifestyle? What is their calling?
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't knoww, not my thing to figure out...I was called to be married, so I am...I guess the only other option really is just to be single...I don't think anyone is really called to be a player for life...
  I'm not trying to nitpick, PLEASE don't think that I am...but "Christians" is the term..."Christianists" makes it seem like either (a) you're unknowledgeable (is that a word?) on the subject or (b) disrespectful of it...
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livelongerposted 15 years ago
I know this is inconceivable to the Christianists, but homosexuality is not just about sex. It encompasses the gender with which we form emotional and romantic attachments, too. We are not heterosexuals who are just having sex with each other (we own a house together and have been together for almost 7 years).
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you raise a good point
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
You really think some people are just meant to be single? To go through life without a partner? Or are they just the assholes that no one can stand to be around for more than 5 minutes?

I guess I know what you mean though. My aunt never married. She told me she knew she never wanted kids or marriage. But as far as destined or supposed to be single, I don't think I believe in that.
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
I think someone can have a calling as in how they will impact the world. But someone's "calling" being single or married, I don't believe so.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But your character can simply suit a certain lifestyle better than another one
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh definitely. But one defines the other, not the other way around
  My aunt is a teacher and she's lived in Uruguay, South Africa and Japan. She's a published author and loves to travel. I'm not sure if her "calling" would have matched the typical husband and family lifestyle. But I'm sure that if that is what she wanted she could have made it work.
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drej2522posted 15 years ago
I think some people are 'loners' or 'hermits', but I don't think these groups of people are "destined to be single". In the end, people need companionship, or at least seek it.
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  jellydonut25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  and you CAN have companionship outside of marriage...some people are NOT cut out to be married...
  
  hell, in my own FAMILY, among my parents and their siblings (so, not me, my siblings or my grandparents) ONLY my parents have never been divorced!!
  
  some people just don't know what it means/what it takes to have a functional marriage and never will and they can and will be better off not being married...
  
  single does not mean lonely, isolated, or hermit-esque
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  drej2522posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All right...I can agree with that. Hell, I don't even believe in marriage in the first place, so I'm sold!
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
I think he got God's e-mail.
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