jump to last post 1-22 of 22 discussions (56 posts)

If 60% of America can't trust Hillary, why are they still willing to vote for he

  1. gregas profile image81
    gregasposted 18 months ago

    If 60% of America can't trust Hillary, why are they still willing to vote for her?

    If you say it is better than voting for Trump, that is a very poor excuse.

  2. chris7800 profile image81
    chris7800posted 18 months ago

    Poor excuse or not, the truth is that many people are willing to vote for her only because they think Trump is worse. If you need more reasons, I suppose a fear of change is another big one. In statements made by Clinton supporters during the primaries, the one thing that keeps coming up is that they already know who she is while they know little or nothing about Bernie Sanders (and apparently can't be bothered to learn anything about him). Building on this point, people are familiar with "the Establishment" even if they don't like it; she was the Establishment candidate during the primaries and she is the Establishment candidate now. Some people would rather have more of the same (however unpleasant it may be) than take a chance on something different (I'm talking about both Sanders and Trump). Also, there are more than a few people voting for her simply because she is a woman.

    1. lovemychris profile image60
      lovemychrisposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      what change? its back to bush/reagan/bush. same old bs republican policies . more war, less rights, more give aways to the rich. trump is no change. trump is anti abortion, anti immigrant and pro trickle down. same old ruinous crap.

    2. MizBejabbers profile image90
      MizBejabbersposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Why are you even bringing up Bernie Sanders? He has left the building. At least that many people have expressed fear of Trump's finger on the nuclear button. I don't like her immigration policy, but Trump has already alienated most of our friends.

    3. chris7800 profile image81
      chris7800posted 18 months agoin reply to this

      First, I disagree that Trump is more of the same; if nothing else, he is different. About Sanders, people choosing Clinton over him even though he is of much better character proves my point about fear of change/pro-Establishment in Clinton voters.

    4. MizBejabbers profile image90
      MizBejabbersposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Trump's character??? He's a character all right.

    5. LLugo profile image68
      LLugoposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      The only people that vote trump are the people that still want hate to continue in this society. I am sorry but the dude is a straight up racist if you ask me. He Anti-women too the way he's talking. He does nothing but talk to hear himself.

    6. chris7800 profile image81
      chris7800posted 17 months agoin reply to this

      This is one reason I find it difficult to support Democrats: they can't accept that some things aren't about race, gender, etc. This worldview is divisive and I don't see how we can progress as a society when looking at every issue through this lens.

  3. gmwilliams profile image86
    gmwilliamsposted 18 months ago

    https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/12712134_f260.jpg

    Myopic insanity if you ask me.  Many people choose to be in utter denial regarding Hillary Clinton.   They see Hillary Clinton as the lesser of the two political evils.  They contend that although Hillary Clinton is bad, in their eyes Donald Trump is much, much worse. 

    There are others who proclaim that despite Hillary Clinton's negativities, she is a far more qualified presidential candidate than Donald Trump whom they see is an inexperienced presidential candidate w/some emotional & mental issues.  They maintain that Hillary Clinton is extremely smart & politically savvy-something that Donald Trump....DEFINITELY ISN'T by a long shot.

  4. pagesvoice profile image86
    pagesvoiceposted 18 months ago

    People will vote for Hillary based on a myriad of reasons. She has faced countless investigations that still haven't turned up anything concrete to convict her of wrongdoing. Still, the republicans continue to waste millions of dollars on a fruitless witch hunt.

    Mrs. Clinton has decades of experience in national and foreign affairs. She is well versed in the art of diplomacy. Conversely, Trump is a ticking time bomb who lashes out viciously at anyone who questions him. The media made him famous and now he shuns them except for FOX News and Sean Hannity.

    By textbook definition, Trump is a fascist. Personally, I don't want another Mussolini or Hitler in power and especially, not in this country! Trump is a member of the mutual admiration club outwardly showing how much he respects Putin. Now we have the Russians aggressively hacking into Clinton's emails and voter records in the key states of Arizona and Illinois. Why? Why does Russia want to throw an American election to Trump? Are you comfortable with that allegiance? I know I'm not. Also, exactly what is Trump hiding by refusing to release his tax returns? That is very disturbing to me and should be of the utmost concern to all Americans.

    Hillary versus Trump is the equivalent of the class valedictorian and the schoolyard bully. I'll go with the valedictorian any day of the week.

    I trust Hillary as the voice for women's rights, equal pay, civil rights, education, the environment, the economy, and the person who will nominate the next Supreme Court justice.

    1. Ericdierker profile image57
      Ericdierkerposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      That is a cool answer. Straight down party dogma and doctrine lines. Refreshingly bold. Seems everyone nowadays is claiming to vote regardless of party. You are pure old school.

    2. pagesvoice profile image86
      pagesvoiceposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      I vote based on my core beliefs. Trump offers nothing I believe in...and I mean nothing!

    3. MizBejabbers profile image90
      MizBejabbersposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Eric, is that a straight answer or sarcasm? Seriously, I can't tell. I admire Dennis for his honesty.

    4. chris7800 profile image81
      chris7800posted 18 months agoin reply to this

      You need to look up the textbook definition of Fascism.

    5. pagesvoice profile image86
      pagesvoiceposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      I know the definition of a Fascist. Check out     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism They believe that liberal democracy is obsolete. Fascists adhere to a philosophy of radical authoritarian nationalism. This sounds like Trump to me.

    6. Redneck Lady Luck profile image82
      Redneck Lady Luckposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      I agree 100%. Hilary has managed to survive a half billion dollar slander campaign against her. Considering all the crap thrown her direction she is doing pretty good. Trump is one scary egocentric liar. I can't believe people turn a blind eye to it.

    7. pagesvoice profile image86
      pagesvoiceposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      P. T. Barnum said it best, "There's a sucker born every minute."

    8. gregas profile image81
      gregasposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Yes Eric, and they are called Democrats.

    9. chris7800 profile image81
      chris7800posted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Okay. So now that you've looked up the definition of Fascism, has Trump declared the liberal democracy is obsolete and that society must mobilize under a totalitarian one-party state? If you're going to say yes, then cite sources.

    10. pagesvoice profile image86
      pagesvoiceposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Totalitarian regimes believe in controlled mass media, personality cultism, political repression, use of terror, and restriction of speech. Trump only uses FOX, spits out slogans to incite his followers, and endorses torture. He is a rich bully.

    11. chris7800 profile image81
      chris7800posted 18 months agoin reply to this

      It was a yes or no question: has Trump declared that liberal democracy is obsolete and that society must mobilize under a totalitarian one-party state? And no, Trump only using FOX (not true, by the way) and using slogans are not evidence of Fascism.

    12. pagesvoice profile image86
      pagesvoiceposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      I refuse to allow you to control the ebb and flow of information here. Trump is a fascist who subscribes to a totalitarian ideology. The bottom line is knowing, with relief, that he will never become president of this country.

    13. chris7800 profile image81
      chris7800posted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Control the ebb and flow of information!? What you're really refusing to do is provide a direct answer to a yes or no question. I take that to mean the answer to my question is no, Trump has not advocated for a totalitarian one-party state .

    14. johnmariow profile image82
      johnmariowposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      We have a lousy choice this year. The only effective way to vote against Trump is to vote for Clinton. A vote for a third party candidate might result in a Trump presidency.

    15. Kathleen Cochran profile image83
      Kathleen Cochranposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Thank you.  I'm so tired of the assumption that we have two bad choices.  Not only do I think Hillary is a good candidate, I believe she will be an exceptional president.   The intelligence reminiscent  of her husband without the soap opera.

  5. MizBejabbers profile image90
    MizBejabbersposted 18 months ago

    I don't see it as a poor excuse at all, but that's not why I'm voting for her. I trust her experience and expertise despite all the Republican witch hunts that are fodder for the media. Go ahead, give me a retort along GOP Trump lines, I don't care. But I also notice that you didn't publish the latest poll statics on how many voters don't trust Trump. One of the latest (published Aug. 25, 2016) says:

    http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/p … -and-trump

    "Nearly two-thirds of those who said they were voting for Republican candidate Donald Trump said their motivation had more to do with making sure that Democrat Hillary Clinton doesn't get into the White House. Only 25 percent said their vote was pro-Trump rather than anti-Clinton."

    1. Misfit Chick profile image73
      Misfit Chickposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      I happen to agree with you about Hillary - I don't see her as being any less trustworthy than any other candidate who has ran for that office; and people who are voting for her just to keep Trump from getting in also have GOOD reason for doing so.

  6. mio cid profile image48
    mio cidposted 18 months ago

    I'm sorry you don't like the answer, but that is the sad truth.Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade,and the main reason people are still voting for a candidate they don't trust or like is because Little Hands Donald is  an execrable excuse of a human being.

  7. tamarawilhite profile image92
    tamarawilhiteposted 18 months ago

    When someone is economically dependent on the state, they will vote for socialist parties to maintain that status quo if not increase it.

    1. MizBejabbers profile image90
      MizBejabbersposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Apparently there weren't enough of them or Bernie would be the Dem's nominee.

  8. watergeek profile image96
    watergeekposted 18 months ago

    60% of America not trusting Hillary doesn't necessarily translate into votes for her. Remember there are other candidates running from 3rd parties, including Jill Stein, who might not be as experienced as Hillary, but is trustworthy. And is female (for those looking at it from that perspective). And has much more progressive policies than does Hillary, especially where respectful treatment of the earth environment is concerned.

    Disaffected Republicans, meanwhile, are looking at the Libertarian ticket. I'm thinking this could be an election year where 3rd party candidates do much better than they ever have in the past. That would be nice.

    1. chris7800 profile image81
      chris7800posted 18 months agoin reply to this

      I agree that third party candidates will likely do better this year than they have in previous years. Unfortunately, they won't do well enough to win. It would be nice, though.

  9. jaydawg808 profile image91
    jaydawg808posted 18 months ago

    Not a poor excuse if choosing Trump. However, they both suck. Sad that both are not a very good choice to run the country.

  10. Glenis Rix profile image99
    Glenis Rixposted 18 months ago

    Presumably because she's a better option than demented Donald

  11. Marcelo Faria profile image90
    Marcelo Fariaposted 18 months ago

    Because they still think there are only two parties in the country. They think their vote will not count if they choose another candidate. So, they vote for Hillary to stop Trump and they vote for Trump to stop Hillary. It doesn't make much sense, but that's how it is.

  12. Penny Sebring profile image92
    Penny Sebringposted 18 months ago

    This is not actually only a two party system, and for those who don't actually embrace one or the other, voting for either or even simply not voting is enabling bad behavior. There are other candidates, and if none of them make you happy write someone in. If nobody does anything differently nothing will change and if enough people choose "neither" eventually they will be heard.

  13. e-five profile image97
    e-fiveposted 18 months ago

    There's 60% who don't trust Trump, too. Why is it that the 60% that don't trust Hillary are more important than the 60% that don't trust Trump? Beyond the trust factor, Hillary is more experienced, more measured in her actions, more thoughtful and thorough and accurate in laying out her policy, and more knowledgeable about the way government works. Donald Trump announced his candidacy for President on June 16, 2015 with his famous promise to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it, and as of today (September 3, 2016) he still doesn't have a clear or even vague outline of his immigration plan, or how he's going to have Mexico pay for a wall on his website. That's 15 months and counting (nearly 1/3 of a full Presidential term) to slap together a simple plan to put on a website, and he hasn't been able to do it. In fact none of his "policies" are anything much more than "I'll do a better job, believe me." He hasn't released his taxes (she has, for every year since 1977), or produced a proper medical statement from his doctor (she has)-- things that are considered to be basic and universal prerequisites for any serious Presidential campaign. Hillary has an immigration plan, a tax plan, and a trade plan. So do the third party candidates.

  14. The Indexer profile image83
    The Indexerposted 17 months ago

    I despair of American politics. This is by no means the first time that Presidential campaigns have been almost wholly negative - don't vote for him/her because they're terrible, instead of vote for our guy/gal because they're great.

    Unfortunately this malaise has spread across the Atlantic and poisoned politics in Europe, so that we now seem to vote along the lines of "who do we not want as our Prime Minister?"

    This has to stop, and it has to stop first in America. Voters should think first "Who will be the best person to lead our country?" and not "the head of which of these bozos would I most like to see on a stick?"

    1. LLugo profile image68
      LLugoposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      So we are to blame because not enough people voted for the right Prime Minister? You have to get your people out to vote. I tell you a secret some people here do not vote my friend they just have an opinion and then when the wrong person wins lol.

    2. MizBejabbers profile image90
      MizBejabbersposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      I think big political dissension began when some bright birds in Washington allowed our factories and our jobs to be sent overseas.  Now it's a tug o' war between the haves and the have nots with the middle class shrinking and fingers pointing.

  15. Kathleen Cochran profile image83
    Kathleen Cochranposted 17 months ago

    Name a president we trusted who didn't, at some point, prove he didn't always deserve our trust.  I vote for the person who I think is most likely to do the things I care about most.  This time, it isn't even close.

  16. Naresh Kumar90 profile image60
    Naresh Kumar90posted 17 months ago

    this is because Americans need a change and they hope she can bring them what they deserve. Also they need a world without violence and destruction. So they hope she can bring a solution.

    1. gregas profile image81
      gregasposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      They are voting the wrong way for change and peace if they are voting for Hillary.

    2. pagesvoice profile image86
      pagesvoiceposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      We also need Hillary when it comes to nominating the next Supreme Court justice. We definitely don't want any of Trump's economic plans or the bloated debt that will occur with his deportation policy and stupid wall.

    3. LLugo profile image68
      LLugoposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Vote Hilary instead of Trump because we are trying to reduce Hate not spread it like he has been doing every time he talks. He's making enemies all over the map. Mexico's President just told him what he could do with his wall lol.

  17. Say Yes To Life profile image82
    Say Yes To Lifeposted 17 months ago

    I do trust Hillary.  It would take more than a mere lapse of judgment over some silly emails to make me distrust her.  A huge hoopla was made over Nixon's Watergate, but few people focus on the fact that he got us out of the Vietnam War.

    1. LLugo profile image68
      LLugoposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Thank you! Enough with the emails if you ask me she stated her claim and they found nothing when they investigated, I wish people would let it go.

  18. wingedcentaur profile image85
    wingedcentaurposted 17 months ago

    Hi Greg Schweizer! How's it going?

    Has it been established that "60% of America can't trust Hilary"? If it has, who and by what means has this been established?

    Second, even if it is true that sixty percent of "America" can't trust Secretary Clinton (she is the former Secretary of State, let's remember), do we know that the entire 60% are, nevertheless, going to vote for her?

    By "60% of America," do you mean sixty percent of "likely voters"?

    Also, shouldn't we be careful about citing statistics, which can be made to say anything X wants them to say or indicate? I'm not saying that is what you are doing, Mr. Schweizer; I'm saying that we can never know the agenda of the source from where you got that number.

    As far as "trust,"--- trust her to do what?

    If Democratic primary voters wanted a more "trustworthy" candidate, shouldn't they have elevated Bernie Sanders to the nomination? Doesn't he have a relatively pristine reputation?

    Moreover, has it actually been determined that Secretary Clinton is, somehow, more ethically (and morally) compromised that most other politicians? Or is it that her foibles, shortcomings, mistakes, and blemishes have been subject to more intense scrutiny and exposure?

    In other words, has it actually been established that Secretary Clinton is, somehow, a particularly corrupt American politician? Even though we live in a twenty-four-hour news cycle, as it is called, there are not enough hours in the day to shine that kind of spotlight on all national politicians, all 535 members of the U.S. Congress, for example; all fifty state governors.

    Etc., etc. What might we find if we picked any one of them at random?

  19. Virginia Allain profile image86
    Virginia Allainposted 17 months ago

    I'm not crazy about Hillary, but I'm not crazy. (does that sound like it is better than voting for Trump?)

    I don't totally trust her because she is the consummate politician and Washington insider. So, on a poll, I would say "I don't trust her." I don't trust Trump even more than I don't trust her.

    He changes his stance willy-nilly, knows nothing about how the government or the constitution works. Cares little about the average American. Thinks like a billionaire. Supports causes like anti-abortion, stirs up hatred against minorities like Blacks, Muslims, Hispanics, and generally is not pro anything that I value.

    I may not "trust" Hillary, but know that her basic values (rights for women, equality for minorities, etc). are more closely aligned with my beliefs. My preference would have been Bernie Sanders, but at this point, we have to work with the nominees available to us.

    I keep looking at Jill Stein but am not ready to make that drastic of a decision yet. It won't be Trump and it won't be Gary the Libertarian.

  20. Reluctant Revival profile image76
    Reluctant Revivalposted 17 months ago

    Americans are too comfortable with Democratic rule over the country.

  21. profile image60
    frumpletonposted 17 months ago

    People vote for Hillary because she knows enough not to commit treason by inviting Russia to hack into the United States' government.  She has gone through being publicly humiliated when her husband cheated on her, yet she was still strong and withstood that and didn't hide at home.  She has experience with government, which Trump doesn't have.  She doesn't run her mouth like he does.  She doesn't promise a wall between Mexico and the USA because the taxpayers will have to foot the bill.  Do you think Trump, with his billions, will pay for it?  Also, Trump promises to build up the military.  Sounds wonderful.  But .... where is the money coming from?  If we had the money, don't you think that the government would have already done that?  Again, Trump isn't going to pay for that.  If he wins the election, and if he does start building up the military, don't be surprised if he starts or buys a corporation to build those tanks, guns, aircrafts, etc.  He is used to having a finger in the pie and no doubt, it will benefit him,

  22. aasl profile image80
    aaslposted 16 months ago

    Too many don't know any better. Clinton is using fear mongering about Trump, when in reality Trump has shown to have better judgement than Hillary. I don't particularly care for Trump, but he's much more preferable. She's probably going to be a one term president though. She's not trending with what people want

    1. gregas profile image81
      gregasposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      You're right. What 'we the people' want and need is change in our government and the people aren't going to see that she isn't going to change a thing. Trump is at least advocating change. We, I, thought Obama would be a one term president too. Yuk.

    2. Say Yes To Life profile image82
      Say Yes To Lifeposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      I have an extremely hard time trusting anyone who has filed bankruptcy SIX times. You realize whenever anyone files bankruptcy, the TAXPAYERS pick up the bill???

    3. gregas profile image81
      gregasposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      I have a problem with someone that was flat broke 16 years ago and now she is a multi-millionaire. A lot of that money came from taxpayers too.

    4. pagesvoice profile image86
      pagesvoiceposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      Trump is the Bernie Madoff of presidential candidates.

 
working