Americans Think the Shutdown is Trump's Fault - Do You?

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   My Esotericposted 6 years ago

   A recent CNN Poll shows the majority of Americans think this is "Trump's Shutdown" (and because the GOP is playing dead, it is a GOP Shutdown also).
   
   That result should not surprise anyone because Trump told the world that "he will own the shutdown" (one of the few true things he says). 
   
   (Also, it is not just because it is a CNN poll - since Fox polls and CNN polls generally come up with similar results, if FOX had run this poll, I suspect the answer would be close to this one.)
   
   What is interesting is what is behind the numbers.
   
   It is not surprising, of course, that 89% of Democrats agree that it's Trump's shutdown, but it is surprising to find 25% of Republicans/Conservatives think so as well.  Compare this to the fact that only 16% of Republicans think Trump is doing a poor job. (Amazingly, 27% of conservatives think Trump is doing badly)
   
   Across the various demographics, only with Republicans and Conservatives do more think that Democrats in Congress are responsible.  Only two others, Men (46%) and Whites with no College (45%) fall below 50%.
   
   To me, this says Trump, and therefore the Republicans, are losing this fight.

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The shutdown has happened because of a complete refusal to compromise, a total refusal to negotiate in good faith.  Because of the intense partisanship on the Hill, where votes are case to fulfill a party line rather than fill the needs of the country.
      
      What reasoning, honest person can think otherwise?

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         promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         A bipartisan bill that included $25 billion in border security was not a refusal to compromise or negotiate in good faith.
         
         Members of both parties came together. Trump rejected the bill. If anyone is refusing to compromise or negotiate in good faith, it's obviously Trump.
         
         https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/natio … -519361171

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            Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            ?? Trump's title is President. Not Senate. You might have been confused, at the outset, with that article.

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               promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               I read the whole thing and did so previously from other sources. It was a bipartisan bill with support and co-sponsors from both parties.
               
               Trump pressured Republican senators to reject it. The bill got a majority of votes but not enough to reach 60.
               
               A bill doesn't have to reach the President's desk for him to reject it. From the article: "The vote came after the White House threatened to veto the measure".
               
               There was no "complete refusal to compromise, a total refusal to negotiate in good faith."

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                  My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Effectively, that is what happened at the end of Dec 2018 as well.  Full bi-partisan support for a continuing resolution that Trump promised Republicans he would sign - until he didn't as is his MO.
                  
                  Today there is no need for anybody to compromise.  All that needs to happen is Trump keep his promise to Republicans to sign their bill.

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            MizBejabbersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            +1,000,000

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         Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         It's also telling that so many are led by party as to be unable to understand your point.

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            promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            There was no party line vote on the bipartisan bill. In fact, Republican Lindsey Graham, a big Trump supporter, was one of the sponsors.
            
            A majority of Democrats voted for it anyway.

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               Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               But it never made it to Trump's desk. Your comment was therefore untrue.

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                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Mitch has to allow anything to reach Trump's desk, LTL. There already several bills being held up by your boy Mitch which would reopen the govt. and you don't blame him?
                  
                  What's wrong with you people? As Pro said, a bi-partisan bill was placed in front of him to sign after another lie was told by Trump that he would sign it. What don't you guy's get about this?

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                  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  I didn't say anything about a bill reaching Trump's desk.
                  
                  If Trump had supported rather than opposed it before the vote, enough Republicans would have voted for it and Trump would have signed it.
                  
                  That's what Presidents do. They pressure their own party members to vote their way.

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         My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Once again, Wilderness, you are wrong.  Remember, this began because Limbaugh, Coulter, and others on your side told Trump not to sign the funding bill that Congress passed, almost unanimously, and Trump initially promised to sign.
         
         Of course, as expected, Trump broke his promise and here we are.  All he has to do is keep his promise to sign the original bill.
         
         As to Republicans, all coward McConnell needs to do is pass the "exact same bill" that they passed last year and put it on Trump's desk.  Let him veto it if he wants and see who supports his veto. 
         
         Why should Dems compromise in the face of Trump breaking his promise?  NONE.

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            wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Compromise, eh?  How much have the Dem's offered to put toward a wall?  What is their end of the "compromise"?  So far all I've seen is a declaration that they will authorize not a single cent as a compromise towards the wall. 
            
            So explain, if you can, what part of "compromise" that a refusal to consider it at all is?  Do you see their request to stop the shutdown and THEN it will be discussed as an offer in good faith to compromise on funding the wall?

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               Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Do you see Trump's going back on his word the first time a bipartisan agreement was reached, Dan?  Why would they trust him again?

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               My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               What is there to compromise????? They had a deal and Trump reneged (if I say this enough times, maybe the truth of it will sink in).  Why should they compromise more, just to have Trump lie to them again and change the goal post again??
               
               Your boy and party own this one hook, line, and sinker.  Talk to your pal McConnell and tell him to come out of his hole and bring the funding bills up for a vote.

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                  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  "How much have the Dem's offered to put toward a wall?"
                  
                  Was there a reason you declined to answer the question, or did you just not see it?

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                     Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     You're asking someone why they fail to answer a question, Dan? That's rich!

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                        JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Randy, tell wilderness Dems have offered over a billion dollars for border security because we are interested in maintaining order, law and security in the region which a wall does none of:
                        
                        Tell him if a useless wall were ever to be built, drug cartels on the other side would simply toss the drugs over said wall: Simple enough to understand ain't it ??
                        
                        If anyone wants billions for some useless pile of concrete, that guy who closed down his 'gofundme' effort and apparently refunded the 20 mil back to those who were dumb enough to contribute, has got ANOTHER scheme going, I don't know what it's called this time but I'm sure he'll get a few takers:

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                           Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           You tell him, Jake. He won't believe either of us no matter what.

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                           My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           And an old video clip shows Trump telling people to do Just That!!  He told anyone, which include drug dealers, that if they run into a concrete wall, do Whatever is necessary to go through it, go under it, go over it, or go around it - whatever it takes to get to the other side.

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                     MizBejabbersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     I'll answer it for him. A lot of people don't want the damned wall, and they aren't all Democrats!

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                     My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     You Really ought to learn how to read Wilderness, I DID answer your question.  But I will state it again .  NO COMPROMISE IS NEEDED BECAUSE A DEAL HAD BEEN REACHED PREVIOUSLY, one that TRUMP BROKE HIS PROMISE ON.  (maybe caps are more understandable)

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      MizBejabbersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, I do. I would say why I believe that, but Promisem has already stated the case before me.

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   JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years ago

   The last few remaining Trump followers must be still smoking something good if they refuse to accept the fact that Bozo Trump is to blame for shutting down our government and the severe detrimental effect of said retarded action:
   
   Once again, his very words caught on tape for the entire world to see so it's now impossible for him to deny that he was responsible for this atrocious shut down and he's actually "PROUD" of his actions and I'm confident Vladimir Putin is extremely happy with his undermining of the USA;
   
   Bozo Trump is "'PROUD":to shut down our government because obviously he could care less about you or your family:
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5as4eQCFi8

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      Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      And as yet, both Trump and Little Lulu--Sanders--haven't expressly denied Trump was working for Russia. After being asked by a Fox flunkie, Trump went on a 350+ word binge about his accomplishments and never answered the question. What an idiot!!

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      crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Jake,
      
      Perhaps this is how legal weed has backfired?

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   IslandBitesposted 6 years ago

   Americans think the shutdown is Trump's fault
   
   He agrees
   
   Fox: “Who’s getting fired? Who’s going to bear the brunt of the responsibility if indeed there is a government shutdown?”
   
   Trump: “If you say who gets fired it always has to be the top, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top. And the president’s the leader. He’s got to get everyone in a room and he’s gotta lead. But he doesn’t do that. He doesn't like doing that. That's not his strength. And that’s why you have this horrible situation going on in Washington. It’s a very, very bad thing and it’s very embarrassing worldwide.”
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv3lI7Qmxzw

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