Portland mayor to allow Antifa to block traffic and hassle motorists

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  1. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 6 months ago

    “Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

    “I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”

    The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.”

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 … iZ652-tOmA

    Am I the only one who sees this as very wrong on many levels and in many ways?

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 6 months agoin reply to this

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      1. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        That's disgusting. So,  because you falsely label people fascists then it's ok with you for them to be injured?

        Would you be ok with a conservative attacking someone they labeled a socialist?

        1. Ewent profile image85
          Ewentposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          What the blue hell do you think our soldiers in WWII did in Germany if not kill fascists?

    2. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      I've seen a lot of footage.  One where a guy from out of state was visiting,  they refused to allow him to move and shouted vulgarities  at him all the while.

      Portland is just a weird place to live.  That wouldn't fly in most localities.

      1. Ewent profile image85
        Ewentposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Proud Boys would never come up north to the NY/NJ Metro area and they know why. They'd be eaten alive by the Crips and Bloods and other inner city gangs.

        So they stick to places they know they can get away with their Nazism.

        As one of those Proud Boys told a reporter covering that Oregon rally, "We got what we wanted. We got the attention of the president and he supports us."

        But Trump is not a racist?

    3. promisem profile image96
      promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      I don't know why an article from 2018 is important now, but anyway:

      Did the protesters shoot dozens of white Republican Christians with assault rifles after the driver came within inches of running into them?

      1. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Once again, violence justified,

        1. promisem profile image96
          promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          Now, come on, LTL. You know the point I'm trying to make.

          Legal protesters by members of the far left who yell at a driver don't even come close to mass murder by members of the far right.

          Please don't imply the two are equally wrong.

          1. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            Both are wrong. Sorry. I think hateful language, emotionally charged attacks, promote violence as much as, if not more than, twisting common phrases in order to claim racism and feign outrage.

            1. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, both are wrong. Are angry protesters and mass murderers equally wrong?

          2. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            An yet they promote anger and fear in the car drivers.  They promote strong dislike (I hesitate at calling it hatred).  They intentionally disrupt the lives of others, causing anguish.

            Is this not exactly what President Trump is accused of doing, and taken to task for?  And the protesters go further, causing immediate damage to the property of innocent people.  It may not be in the same class as murder, but it is certainly on the same road, and incites others to violence.

            1. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              What mass murders did that small group of yelling people from a year ago incite around the country?

              "It may not be in the same class as murder."

              It's not a maybe. The far right on here and elsewhere seems to think that protesting by the far left is just as evil as mass murder by the far right.

              That's pathetic.

              1. crankalicious profile image90
                crankaliciousposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                You know this is exactly the kind of distraction you expect from anyone who would support a lying racist.

                Here is an interesting article on how Trump is emulating Hitler with his rhetoric:

                https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019 … etoric-and

                1. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  I think it's what they call a false equivalency.

                  Interesting article. Some politicians study videos of famous orators, including Hitler. Even though Hitler was evil, he was a great orator.

                  If you watch some Trump and Hitler speeches with the sound turned off, they seem to use some of the same body language, especially when they pump their arms up and down.

                  https://www.businessinsider.com/donald- … bed-2015-8

              2. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                Pathetic, maybe.  But for sure what is pathetic is the millions of people spreading hate, spreading their vitriol on social media, promoting as much divisiveness and discord as possible and then sitting back in their easy chair and saying "I played no part in the violence in our society.  I didn't kill anybody!".  Thats pathetic!

                1. crankalicious profile image90
                  crankaliciousposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  Pathetic, maybe.  But for sure what is pathetic is President Trump spreading hate, spreading his vitriol on social media, promoting as much divisiveness and discord as possible and then sitting back in his easy chair and saying "I played no part in the violence in our society.  I didn't kill anybody!".  That's pathetic!

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    Yep.  And it is SO different than the people right here on HP spreading their vitriol on social media. 

                    Figured that would be a response - I can do whatever I please and it has no effect, but Trump must adhere to much higher standards than I set for myself.

                    But you continue with the Trump bashing - I'm not particularly interested.  My only point was that we as a people are playing a part in the violence we suffer, and it is not a small part.  And then we blame it all on the political figure of the "wrong" party, and anyone that belongs to that party, as if assigning blame to someone else relieves us of our own responsibility for what we're becoming.

          3. savvydating profile image93
            savvydatingposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            Beating people unconscious with bats and hammers and rocks is not simply "far left who yell at a driver" to quote your words.
            Antifa promotes violence and hatred. Be honest for a change.

            https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/why- … and-oregon

            https://www.independentsentinel.com/ant … with-bats/

            1. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              1. You are linking to ANOTHER set of links to anonymous, right-wing websites that mangle facts for the sake of Trump propaganda.

              2. When will you people ever learn?

              3. Your links have nothing to do with the video we were discussing.

              4. A right-wing "journalist" claims he was attacked, but oddly, no one got charged.

              Be honest for a change? How hypocritical. And how dare you try to equate a protest by the far left with mass murder by the far right.

              Utterly shameless.

              1. Credence2 profile image80
                Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                You know, Promisem, I think it is too.

                Talk about a right wing "crock"?

                1. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  Thanks, Credence. Some of the comments are so out of touch with logic, facts and reality that I'm beginning to wonder who these people really are.

                  1. Credence2 profile image80
                    Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    We know who they are, they will do anything to support their movements and their favorite step children, lie, distract and mislead. I wonder how many violent fists fights and assaults have been associated with Right leaning mobs? Of course, we are not going to hear about that.

                    Regardless of what they say, MURDER TRUMPS ASSUALT

              2. savvydating profile image93
                savvydatingposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                More deflection, as usual.

                However, I see you are unable to debate intelligently. Well, as Mike is fond of saying, "Bless your heart." Not everyone has the gift of reading comprehension or fact finding. I'm sure you and Randy and Jake will have fun trolling all by yourselves.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                  PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  How is his post a deflection? Every numbered item, with the exception of number 2, directly addresses you post. Are you not capable of responding?

                  "1. You are linking to ANOTHER set of links to anonymous, right-wing websites that mangle facts for the sake of Trump propaganda. " If this is not true, simply prove it to be false.

                  "3. Your links have nothing to do with the video we were discussing. " If this is not true, simply demonstrate how the links do relate to the video,

                  "4. A right-wing "journalist" claims he was attacked, but oddly, no one got charged." If this is untrue, prove it.

                  Prove to us that 1) you have "the gift of reading comprehension", and 2) you are "able to debate intelligently" by addressing his statements.

                  1. promisem profile image96
                    promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    Thanks, Panther. You are correct. She is not capable of responding to the factual points. Small minds always resort to personal attacks.

                2. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  And yet you don't address any of my factual points. You simply resort to the usual personal attacks by the far right on here.

                  Comparing intelligence requires at least some intelligence.

                  1. savvydating profile image93
                    savvydatingposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    Are you attacking me personally for countering your comment that "Legal protesters by members of the far left (ANTIFA) who yell at a driver...??" You do understand this is Forum, right?

                    Bless your heart. You don't know any better. Let me spell it out for you. Beating people unconscious is NOT the same as yelling. Intelligent and reasonable people know that.

                    I am sorry it is so difficult for you to understand that yelling vs. beating people unconscious is not the same thing. Maybe if ANTIFA had beat you unconscious instead of just yelling at you,,,, maybe then you would understand.

                    But of course, they would never beat you unconscious because you support their violence. That is why, bless your heart, you will never understand the pain of an elderly man who was beat senseless, as well as many others, at the hands of your friends in ANTIFA.

                    FYI: This forum is about ANTIFA, in case you've already forgotten.

              3. Live to Learn profile image81
                Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                Two things. 

                1. No reasonable person could say something isn't askew in Portland.  I saw the video.  If you are talking about the conservative  I think you are.

                2. Decent,  reasonable,  non emotional voices on both sides have called out the asinine habit of blaming a group for the violence of an individual.

                I expected better of you.

                1. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  I condemn extreme violence by either side. I have done so with you and others repeatedly.

                  But you are still equating far left protests with right wing massacres.

                  I expected better of you.

              4. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                " A right-wing "journalist" claims he was attacked, but oddly, no one got charged." There were charged with his assault.

                Come on this journalist has been all over the media, Antifa beat him so badly he was hospitalized and had a brain injury. You seem to disapprove of the link that has been provided to prove this claim. I have added a few that you should approve of.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WzMZxT-41k

                https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/07/0 … ay-vpx.cnn

                https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/45471 … ain-injury

                "When will you people ever learn"

                What a smug self-righteous thing to say...

                1. Live to Learn profile image81
                  Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  You are talking to a guy who glossed over racist comments by Joe Biden.  I presume,  because Biden is a democrat.

                  1. promisem profile image96
                    promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    Wow, what a true cheap shot. That's the lowest comment you have made to me in years. None of my comments toward you have been personal or disrespectful.

                    I thought you and I had worked out a reasonable level of civility despite some differences of opinion. I was wrong. So be it.

                    I will forgive you if you delete the post or apologize.

                2. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  Still stalking me. More ignorant garbage. Again, he claimed he was attacked. Again, no one was charged despite plenty of video evidence.

                  From your own ignorant links:

                  "But Ngo, who has demanded that Portland police take more action, expressed dismay Thursday that none of his alleged attackers have been arrested or held accountable."

                  Again, when will you ever learn?

        2. PrettyPanther profile image83
          PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          They're desperate to change the focus from their president's fueling of white supremacist  hate and this is the best they can do.

          1. promisem profile image96
            promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            I had the same thought. It's a distraction from the massacres of blacks, Jews and Hispanics by white supremacists.

            I can't believe my former party has sunk so far down into the gutter.

          2. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            I knew the same ones who always defend Trump were behind this thread. It's all they can do to try and rationalize his actions and words. It's almost a daily routine....

            1. PrettyPanther profile image83
              PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              Yes. The same ol'  crowd.

              1. Live to Learn profile image81
                Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                Yes. Ditto. The same old crowd who has Trump hatred on the brain so heavily, can't have a thought which doesn't include some attempt at insult to those they disagree with on that one subject.

                We know you guys hate Trump. We know you guys hate anyone who doesn't hate Trump.

                This thread wasn't about Trump. I would say the best you've done is showcase, once again, that anything goes if you are a Trump hater. The foolishness in Portland is just a ok with you because, they claim they are anti Trump.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                  PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  I don't hate anyone, but I know it's easier on your conscience  to call our legitimate criticisms "hate."
                  Delusions are hard to counter.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image81
                    Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    Delusions are hard to counter.

                    So true I just had to repeat it. Sad that the deluded spend so much time in denial.

                    1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                      PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                      Can't argue with that.

                2. Randy Godwin profile image92
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  Once again using the "hate" term like Limbaugh and Hannity to describe Trump's many antagonists. Why don't you throw in the Right's usual "you just hate America" or the well used, "you're not patriotic", BS for a change, LTL?

      2. Sharlee01 profile image83
        Sharlee01posted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Hard to find words... I guess I can say I am pleased they represent the left.

        1. Readmikenow profile image95
          Readmikenowposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          https://hubstatic.com/14638381.jpg

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            You left out many many others who were cheated by Trump in his many lawsuits, failed businesses, and bankruptcies, Mike. Of course we don't know what political affiliation they have, but I'd wager they'd want a chance of confronting him themselves.  lol

            1. crankalicious profile image90
              crankaliciousposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              I think there are some people here Randy who, every time a discussion ensues about some kind of hate crime or other crime against blacks or hispanics or whomever, they seemingly always counter with some suggestion that it's really white people who are being maligned in this country.

              Seems like classic racist behavior to me. Can't engage a simple issue without falling back on how bad white people have it. Reminds me of how white people got all bothered by "Black Lives Matter" by saying "All Lives Matter". Also classic racism.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                They are indeed committed, Crank. Here in the Deep South I'm inured--if not immune--to racists claiming god, guns, and white men rule. Trump supporters all..   sad

              2. Live to Learn profile image81
                Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                I don't know if you haven't seen the footage the rest of us have seen but Antifa doesn't target only what you label white people. They target anyone and everyone who disagrees with their ideology and tactics.

                They've attacked whites, blacks, brown people, gays, etc. Any they choose to.

                The left is the group always concerned with identity politics. Not the right.

                Antifa is just the red headed alt left stepchild that the main stream left refuses to call out for their behavior and that's the real problem. By not calling it out for what it is most are left to assume they approve.

                1. crankalicious profile image90
                  crankaliciousposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  Antifa is what happens when people get sick and tired of being marginalized. Kind of like the Black Panthers. While white people generally hate their tactics, pushing people toward a place where violence is their only option is what happens when you're marginalized and people in power only pay lip service to your concerns.

                  Antifa's originaly "charter" was anti-fascism. I'm sure it's gotten beyond what its organizers intended. However, racists conveniently lump in BLM with the organization for the simple reason of marginalizing that groups concerns as well. The original intent of the two groups has little to do with each other, but you will see your classic racists lump them together as if they're the same thing.

                  You can say Antifa is "left" all you want - like left because anti-fascism is left and fascism is right on the political wheel. Go ahead. Just shows your ignorance. The main difference is that Antifa isn't a functioning organization within liberal politics whereas white nationalists are part of Trump's core support. There's a big difference there. The left still marginalizes Antifa. The right has normalized white nationalism.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image81
                    Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    Again,  the footage shows a bunch of hostile white kids,  interspersed with a smattering of people that might be identified as marginalised groups. 

                    They agree with pretty much everything some in Congress now espouse so don't say they aren't left.  If you claim neo Nazis are right then you've got to take responsibility for the other far end.

                    1. crankalicious profile image90
                      crankaliciousposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                      It's shocking you don't understand the difference. The left does not claim these people as members nor does it encourage their activities. Not a single liberal I know has anything to do with Antifa, though most liberals I know are indeed anti-fascist. Are you?

                      However, neo-Nazis now appear to be a core part of Trump's base. Next time you're rallying with them, ask them if they feel welcome in the Republican Party.

          2. Don W profile image82
            Don Wposted 6 months agoin reply to this
          3. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 6 months agoin reply to this

            But Mike, all of the above is politically correct for some. Hypocrisy has become epidemic among those on the left. I always wonder, when one buries their head in the sand, how do they keep sand out of one's eyes?

            1. Don W profile image82
              Don Wposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              "So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Just knock the hell .... I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise."
              (Donald Trump)

              "I'll beat the crap out of you"
              (Donald Trump)

              "You know, part of the problem and part of the reason it takes so long is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore, right?"
              (Donald Trump)

              "The audience hit back and that's what we need a little bit more of."
              (Donald Trump)

              "They used to treat them very, very rough, and when they protested once, they would not do it again so easily . . . we've become weak."
              (Donald Trump)

              "Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it."
              (Donald Trump)

              "I'd like to punch him in the face."
              (Donald Trump)

              "Maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing"
              (Donald Trump)

              1. Live to Learn profile image81
                Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                Are you suggesting one is ok and one is not?

                1. Don W profile image82
                  Don Wposted 6 months agoin reply to this

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                  1. Live to Learn profile image81
                    Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    I'll take that as a yes.

                    1. Don W profile image82
                      Don Wposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                      That reply was to another comment.

                      In your case: "Are you suggesting one is ok and one is not?"

                      I am suggesting that a Trump supporter calling The Left hypocritical on the issue of violent statements given everything that Trump has said, is so far beyond hypocritical, it enters the realm of the absurd.

              2. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                Did you even read the list Mike posted? Perhaps you are blind to the actual words these fools spoke? They talk about KILLING, they talk about blowing up, they talk about shooting a president, they talk about get in their faces, they talk about assassination!  None of your Trump quotes come close to these forms of threats. It continues to amaze me how liberals can justify these forms of threats, and place such value in Trump's   "I'll beat the crap out of you"
                (Donald Trump)

                Compare, what you have listed to those of what Mike poted. Perhaps you will see the hypocrisy or better yet why do you think the lefts statements should be excepted without concern?

                1. Don W profile image82
                  Don Wposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  I have no reason to trust anything you or Mike post on any subject. So when you provide links to reliable sources that prove every one of those quotes is an accurate reflection of what the person said, then I might pay them some credence.

                  Until then:

                  White Nationalist Terrorist: *kills hispanic people and justifies it using exactly the same language Trump uses to describe immigrants*

                  Sharlee01: "[The Left] talk about KILLING, they talk about blowing up, they talk about shooting a president, they talk about get in their faces, they talk about assassination!"

                  In your own words: "I always wonder, when one buries their head in the sand, how do they keep sand out of one's eyes?"

                  I do too.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image95
                    Readmikenowposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    Gee, suppose we shouldn't talk about the Bernie Sanders supporter who shot a Republican Congressman.  I suppose we should also gloss over the fact that the shooter in Dayton, OH was a supporter of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.  Let's just not deal with those facts.

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    Are you saying the list of the statements from leftist is untrue?  They are all very well documented.

                    1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                      PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                      I asked you if either Joe Biden's full comments or Cory Booker's full comments were accurately reflected in Mike's list. You haven't responded. I also asked you if you find either of those full comments to be objectionable. You haven't answered.

                      To refresh your memory....

                      Full Biden remarks:

                      "When a guy who ended up becoming our national leader said, 'I can grab a woman anywhere and she likes it' and then said, 'I made a mistake,'" Biden said Tuesday of Trump, according to video of the remarks posted on Facebook by the University of Miami College Democrats.
                      "They asked me would I like to debate this gentleman, and I said no. I said, 'If we were in high school, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him,'" said Biden,

                      Cory Booker, 4/20/19:

                      While speaking to members of the West Las Vegas church on Saturday morning, Booker also shared a story in which he encouraged one of his own supporters against violence.

                      “I go to these meetings sometimes – I talk a lot about this one, the time where a guy comes up to me in the beginning before I spoke and he says to me, ‘I want you to punch Donald Trump in the face.’ And I looked at him and I go, ‘sir, that’s a felony,’” Booker said laughingly in audio of his remarks provided to The Hill, before adding, “and black guys like us we don’t get away with that. We don’t get away with that.”

                      Booker then said he told the supporter to listen to how he addressed issues.

                      “But I actually encourage him, I go, ‘Sir, listen to me, and then come up to me afterwards if you still think Donald Trump should be punched in the face.’ And I spent my time talking about the issues like I have here,” he said.

                      ********
                      On 7/23/19

                      Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) said Monday that while he sometimes feels like "punching” President Trump, Democrats could not win by “fighting him on his tactics.”

                      Speaking to NBC's Seth Meyers, the 2020 presidential candidate recounted a past interaction with a supporter who suggested that he take a swing at the current president.

                      Echoing comments he made in April, Booker said that while “my testosterone sometimes makes me want to feel like punching" Trump, it wouldn't be good for the country or for Democrats as they seek to beat Trump in 2020.

                      *********
                      This addresses only the first two items on Mike's list. Do you believe the statements on the list are accurate representations of Biden's and Booker's remarks? Also, do you find these full statements to be obhectionable?

                    2. Don W profile image82
                      Don Wposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                      I think what I'm saying is pretty clear. Why should I accept something is true just because you and Mike say it is? When you provide links to reliable sources that prove every one of those quotes is an accurate reflection of what the person said, then I might pay them some credence. PP has already shown some of them are not an accurate reflection, which reaffirms my cautious stance.

              3. Readmikenow profile image95
                Readmikenowposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                Don, I don't believe you didn't cite sources.

                1. Don W profile image82
                  Don Wposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  Don't need to. I'm using your standard of truth. I typed it, therefore you have to accept it as true.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image95
                    Readmikenowposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    I don't agree.  I don't have to accept it as true.  I have to accept you provided statements without sources.  So, it is what it is.

            2. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              The same way the Right keeps the slime out of theirs.....

              1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                You know what Randy, you don't hear the extreme vile statement from Republicans.

                Did you even read the list Mike posted? Perhaps you are blind to the actual words these fools spoke? They talk about KILLING, they talk about blowing up, they talk about shooting a president, they talk about get in their faces, they talk about assassination!  None of your Trump quotes come close to these forms of threats. It continues to amaze me how liberals can justify these forms of threats, and place such value in Trump's   "I'll beat the crap out of you"
                (Donald Trump)

                Compare, what you have listed to those of what Mike poted. Perhaps you will see the hypocrisy or better yet why do you think the lefts statements should be excepted without concern?

                1. crankalicious profile image90
                  crankaliciousposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  BS. What a load of garbage, Shar. We put up with this crap against President Obama for eight years. Eight years of people posting photos of him with a noose around his neck. 8 years of the n-word being launched about. 8 years of him being called a Muslim and charges he wasn't born in the U.S. and charges he was illegitimate because of it.

                  How convenient you just forget all of that and excuse it away. And now the racists got what they wanted and they're having a field day. Join the crowd!

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    You beat me to it, Crank. Some indulge in hypocrisy as they protest THEIR anger against the left. They forget what Obama had to endure and his words were never as inflammatory as Trump's.

                    1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                      Sharlee01posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                      Good, deflect hen in trouble facing facts bring in Obama. Why not just compare the vile statements Dems have a history of making against Trump's pretty mild statements.

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    I am not willing to deflect to another subject...  It makes it easy for you not to address my comment. We are discussing Mikes post of all the nasty violent statements liberal celebrities, as well as politicians, have made. And in my book, they will outdo any of Trump's rally statements. I can see you have your head in the sand, and fingers in your ears. Your outrage goes nowhere when you deflect and don't address the subject!

                    Compare, what you have listed to those of what Mike poted. Perhaps you will see the hypocrisy or better yet why do you think the lefts statements should be excepted without concern?

            3. PrettyPanther profile image83
              PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              Full Biden remarks:

              "When a guy who ended up becoming our national leader said, 'I can grab a woman anywhere and she likes it' and then said, 'I made a mistake,'" Biden said Tuesday of Trump, according to video of the remarks posted on Facebook by the University of Miami College Democrats.
              "They asked me would I like to debate this gentleman, and I said no. I said, 'If we were in high school, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him,'" said Biden,

              I am thankful for men like Joe Biden (and my husband, my brother, my two sons, my best friend's husband....you get the idea) who will defend myself and other women against creeps like Donald Trump.

              That's one on the list. More to come as I have time.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 6 months agoin reply to this
                1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                  PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this
                  1. Readmikenow profile image95
                    Readmikenowposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    PP, seriously?  This again?

                    Let me ask you this.  If this is true, why wasn't law enforcement notified?  Why did her parents bypass the legal consequences and instead go for a civil lawsuit for financial damages?  Here is where the story gets a little offbeat.

                    You have a 13 year old daughter.  She tells you she has been raped by a prominent businessman.  Which of the following do you do.

                    1. Do nothing.
                    2. Contact law enforcement and let them begin an investigation.
                    3. File a civil lawsuit for a financial damage award.

                    I would do #2 and tell them I'm the one who sent him from this world.  I would NEVER consider not contacting law enforcement and having an investigation and instead file a civil lawsuit for financial damages.  What kind of a parent wants to make money off of their child's rape?

                    THEN, drop the civil lawsuit when it gets media attention.

                    The entire situation stinks.  Yet, the press still runs with it.

                    1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                      PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                      I only posted those links in response to Sharlee's posting of Biden's touching allegations.

                      None of it makes your post that I was responding to any more accurate.

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    All examples alleged? Odd none would bring charges?

                    1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                      PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                      No charges against Biden, either, so what was your point again? Or did you have one?

                  3. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    Bottom line this her mother dropped the lawsuit.

                    1. promisem profile image96
                      promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                      After getting paid off. Trump has a history of doing so.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_aff … nald_Trump

              2. Readmikenow profile image95
                Readmikenowposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                Thankful for men like Joe Biden?  Do you have any idea how he got the nickname "Creepy Uncle Joe?"

                "Within the past week, two women have accused the former vice president of unwanted touching: Lucy Flores said he kissed the back of her head at a campaign event in 2014, and Amy Lappos said he “put his hand around my neck and pulled me in to rub noses with me” at a fundraiser in 2009. These accusations, coming in the #MeToo era, have prompted a reevaluation of Biden’s history of showing physical affection toward women and girls."

                https://newrepublic.com/article/153457/ … eepy-uncle

                1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                  PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  Joe's actions in these instances are wrong, as I have previously stated multiple times. That doesn't make your list accurate.

            4. PrettyPanther profile image83
              PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              Cory Booker, 4/20/19:

              While speaking to members of the West Las Vegas church on Saturday morning, Booker also shared a story in which he encouraged one of his own supporters against violence.

              “I go to these meetings sometimes – I talk a lot about this one, the time where a guy comes up to me in the beginning before I spoke and he says to me, ‘I want you to punch Donald Trump in the face.’ And I looked at him and I go, ‘sir, that’s a felony,’” Booker said laughingly in audio of his remarks provided to The Hill, before adding, “and black guys like us we don’t get away with that. We don’t get away with that.”

              Booker then said he told the supporter to listen to how he addressed issues.

              “But I actually encourage him, I go, ‘Sir, listen to me, and then come up to me afterwards if you still think Donald Trump should be punched in the face.’ And I spent my time talking about the issues like I have here,” he said.

              ********
              On 7/23/19

              Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) said Monday that while he sometimes feels like "punching” President Trump, Democrats could not win by “fighting him on his tactics.”

              Speaking to NBC's Seth Meyers, the 2020 presidential candidate recounted a past interaction with a supporter who suggested that he take a swing at the current president.

              Echoing comments he made in April, Booker said that while “my testosterone sometimes makes me want to feel like punching" Trump, it wouldn't be good for the country or for Democrats as they seek to beat Trump in 2020.

      3. aware profile image68
        awareposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Someone's freedom of protest is not allowed to infringe on others freedom and liberty of movement. Freedom of movement is a human right. Above any constitutional right. Get the hell out of our way.

      4. Ewent profile image85
        Ewentposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        You really want an answer to whether you are wrong? YES you are. AntiFa has never massacred 250 people with AK47s or AR15s since the beginning of 2019.

        That would be YOUR white Nationalists like the Proud Boys.

        Posts like yours make me furious. I am ANTI Fascism. Why aren't you?

        I had 3 brothers and half brothers who served in WWII when they were teens. Did you? They fought to stop NAZIs who now want to spread their hate and bigotry. Do you?

        My father left Italy as a 7 year old boy because of FASCISTS. At that time, Fascists were confiscating properties, killing off property owners and to ensure no one would inherit, they killed of the oldest male in the family.

        Were you cheering when your White Nationalists mowed down and killed a young girl in Charlottesville, held up traffic as they paraded down a main street with lighted tiki torches and armed with their AK47s?

        Sorry black Lives DO matter. White males who are so threatened by black Americans are bigots. Time for you to admit it.

    4. Readmikenow profile image95
      Readmikenowposted 6 months ago

      I think this captures reality.

      https://hubstatic.com/14639300_f1024.jpg

    5. Onusonus profile image78
      Onusonusposted 6 months ago

      More left wing violence to come. Antifa and SJW's fighting to expand government, even though they think the government is racist and corrupt.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Does this mean the murders provoked by Trump's rhetoric are over for a while?

        1. Onusonus profile image78
          Onusonusposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          Or the Dayton murders provoked by Elizabeth Warren, Time will tell.

          Shouldn't you be applauding Trump for his support of leftist red flag laws, bump stock bans, and tariffs? Or is it just about the party for you?

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            Not at all aa, it's about the country I'm often accused of hating by the right. Did Warren instigate the shooter in Dayton to shoot his sister?

            1. Onusonus profile image78
              Onusonusposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              I forgot we only need empirical evidence when we're talking about liberal instigators.  Typical.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                Who is "we", aa?

        2. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

          It is kinda of dumb to compare the El Paso shooter who wrote a litany manifesto with a white nationalist bent with the shooter in Dayton. Just because someone supported Trump or Warren is not itself a motivation for a massacre.

          What policy did Elizabeth Warren put forth as reason for the Dayton shooter to attack? What association? Just because he supported Warren politically?

          There is no question based on the very words of the El Paso shooter from whose rhetoric he was getting his inspiration for the attack.

          Do we continue to compare  pineapples with hand granades? How dumb is that?

    6. Onusonus profile image78
      Onusonusposted 6 months ago

      https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68338629_1164102833795750_1896108399100166144_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_oc=AQkeod-zU86OEul79BjPek_tGPM8lXuJ6_Dn8qWPl8GKHeATdZt_q4qc_JnIhvMJ__o&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=f13c4ccae76f2220d49450cca3c237df&oe=5DCDC824

     
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