A Quick poll before the election next week - Do you trust Joe Biden?

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jackclee lmposted 4 years ago
There is a lot of new information that came out recently....October surprise.
Some of it was old news but some new revelations about the Biden family...with his son Hunter and his laptop and emails...
All very troubling if true.
Here is the $64K question.
Do you trust Joe Biden enough to be President? to make the tough decisions, to deal with our foreign adversaries, to defend our nation and to re-build our economy as a result of this pandemic...and to have the energy to do the job.

This is a serious question anyone would ask, when you are running for the top job as commander in chief.
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  A serious answer: I trust Joe Biden a lot more than I do Donald Trump.
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  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  I would agree...to some point. I trust Joe more to tell the truth...as he sees it. Unfortunately neither Joe nor the Democrat party has an inkling of what the country needs. They think they do, which means their falsehoods aren't lies, but they actually do not.
  
  So in that respect, Joe is chock full of "lies" ("false statements" he believes true) far more than Trump is.
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  With Trump, we know what we are getting for the past 4 years...
  With Joe, are we getting Harris? or Sanders? or AOC? who knows...
  Also, is he well enough to serve?
  One of the reason we have a robust campaign every four years is to put the candidates through its paces...like a race horse. We know Trump has the energy and the stamina for the job, does Joe?
  Come on Credence...tell me you know the answer to that.
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, Jack, Trump is now a known quantity and it is just that fact that will contribute to his defeat this time around.
  
  The last thing I need is his getting four more.
  
  Looking the debate, Biden seemed reasonably coherent to me. I will risk the mindset of this "senile old man" over a man that clearly behaves like a toddler.
  
  So, yes, I know the answer, but it was not the one you were looking for.
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  credence, how do you explain the huge black support for Trump. Some estimates are as high as 37%...and some celebrities like these.
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mjXP4u1GVU8
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  I can't, and as to that 37 percent, I will believe it when I see it.
  
  Second of all, I am going to pay more attention to the opinions of conservatives like former Secy of State C. Rice or Colin Powell over the musings of any celebrity.
  
  They, like all of us, have their right to their opinion, but their opinions do not affect my own.
  
  Yeah, and Sammy Davis Jr. was a buddy of Richard Nixon but that did not change my impression of either man.
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Credence,
  Here is the bottom line.
  You guys, meaning the Democrats,have painted yourself into a corner.
  
  Do you realize if Biden wins, it means you lose as well.
  It means all the charges you guys leveled against America is true.
  That America is still a racist nation.
  Cops are part of systemic racism that still permeates our society.
  All the extreme view of AOC about America is true.
  America is a puppet of Putin.
  
  On the other hand,
  
  If Trump wins again in 2020, America has turned a page on race. Especially if he has the support of blacks and Hispanics in much higher numbers.
  It means America rejects these false charges made by the media and the left.
  It also means the stronghold Democrats have on the black community is breaking. They are leaving the reservation.
  It also means a strong rejection of the deep state of both parties. The never Trumpers, many are GOP party loyals, who has been in DC for a long long time, like Colin Powell, and Rice.
  
  America wins.
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  I dunno, Jack, with the statistics and polls pointing toward a substantive GOP defeat, that "corner" is not so bad.
  
  Maybe with Biden we could turn off the torrent of Trump style racism and see it reduced to a trickle. I will welcome that change.
  
  Not reservation, but "plantation, Jack. What the Right fails to recognize is that WE look at everything from the standpoint of Civil Rights and the commitment of American government to live up to all of its high sounding ideals. We are that litmus test. For the little guys that struggle against rising inequality and greed, it is a litmus test.
  
  The ideas of this "deep state" has as much credibility as this QAnon stuff, in my opinion, which is none.
  
  Funny, last time I checked JFK Jr. was dead, is QAnon now saying that was a hoax?
  
  Todays conservatives, Rightwingers are fruitcakes never deserving of my support at any level, just look at the guy in charge, Donald Trump.
  
  No one will suppress my vote, I did it early and went directly to the county office to cast my ballot.
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  An interesting perspective, Wilderness, yes, because I did not say that I trusted Biden in an absolute sense, but only in a relative one.
  
  As always, we disagree regarding what virtues you assign to the Republicans over Democrats and we probably always will as we come from two different perceptions of reality.
  
  What we don't need is the angst and consternation which have described the nature of this country, today for which Donald Trump is the catalyst, IMHO, of course.
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  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Of course we disagree on what our needs are and what is good for the country. That isn't going to change any time soon, either.
  
  But the angst and consternation? That comes primarily from media and Democrat manipulations of the law (thinking of that 3 year "investigation" and the faux "impeachment") as both were nothing but political machinations to discredit a sitting president. It comes from the constant degradation of the president, the constant spin of what he says and an absolute refusal to acknowledge any good that he has done. The single biggest divisive force in our country today, by a large margin, is the liberal posturing over the presidency and the president. IMO.
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  GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  "The single biggest divisive force in our country today, by a large margin, is the liberal posturing over the presidency and the president. IMO."
  
  If your "liberal posturing" includes the media, then I would add, IMHO to yours.
  
  Pres. Trump certainly doesn't do himself any favors with his rhetoric, but that the media amplifies, (and too many times mischaracterized it), this is much more divisive than what he actually says. IMO. (;-) )
  
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  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  I fully agree. The major divisiveness forces in the country, at this time, are Democrats refusing to see any good at all in anything Trump, or anything anyone not demonizing him, says or does. This is then blown way out of proportion by media that never ceases to make Trump look as bad as possible. Virtually every mention must include something wrong that he has done. And that's as divisive as it gets.
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  I thought so...hence TDS.
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  That is a poor response, I am a Left leaning Democrat, are you not surprised that I would not be thrilled with a second term for Trump?
  
  I don't have to have TDS to dislike the man and that which he stands for. I just want him out.
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  credence,
  despite the evidence that Trump has been good for the African American community in terms of jobs, prison reform, and border control, you would reject all those positive advances because you just hate the guy....
  Does that make any sense? hence, TDS is an accurate description.
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  As a well educated And politically cognizant African American male, I am in a better position than you to determine if progress has been made.
  
  Here is just one of several similar articles revealing the nature of the Trump administration's great outreach to the Black community..
  
  https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/ar … omic-gains
  
  There is more Jack, Trump is just a reprehensible man lacking the temperament for the job he currently holds. Nothing there about hate.
  
  For instance, he reveals his lack of tack in the debate assualting certain states and municipalities in a partisan way unworthy of a true leader who would see himself as providing a solution for the nation in total.
  
  "The greatest President for Blacks since Abraham Lincoln", that was a stupid thing to say from the standpoint of anyone who understood American history at even a basic level.
  
  There is always much more, but time and decorum does not permit me to go into all of that here.
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  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  "As a well educated And politically cognizant African American male, I am in a better position than you to determine if progress has been made."
  
  But are you really? Are you a young black man, just out of high school and trying to find work? A young black woman with 3 children and no father to help? Did you take one of the jobs opened up by better border control? Did you benefit from prison reform? Are you a young black in high school, looking back to what the schools were 50 years ago? Are you a black man (or woman) looking at an uncle or aunt that has "made it" in a white world and saying "I can do that too!"?
  
  Yes, you have a tremendous bias and an unshakable belief that black problems are rooted in white actions, but does that mean you are in a better position than others to say if there has been any progress made?
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Alright, Wilderness, the proof is in the pudding, if Trump gets more than 10 percent of the Black vote, I would be surprised. All this talk about more blacks clinging to Trump, well let's just see how true that is on Election Day, ok?
  
  As to your second paragraph, while I may not have done all these things, I can relate to them better than any white person. It is like saying I am going to understand more about what it means to be Vietnamese in America over an actual Vietnamese person living here. Do you understand?
  
  Well many current black problems ARE rooted in White Actions albeit they were in the past. But, the effect of those explain to large part festering inequities today, regardless of your total denial of that fact.
  
  Yes, when it comes to the Black experience which is based on walking in the same shoes, yes, I am in a better position.
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  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  What I'm asking is if you ARE "walking in their shoes" today or if you are still in the past, remembering times from long ago. I just do not see you as an unbiased source of information, or opinion, concerning the "plight" of black people today. You are far too biased and carry too much baggage from the past.
  
  Others, objectively looking at what is happening today, seem far more reasonable as a source of opinion on improvement. What you have experienced as a black man in America is far removed from what blacks are experiencing today, and I'm not sure that you recognize that difference.
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  "and I'm not sure that you recognize that difference."
  
  And you do?
  
  If I am biased then 90 percent of Blacks that support Democrats on the national ticket, are as well. We vote so much in a block because we acknowledge experiences that we commonly share and values that we commonly hold, and consider which side has addressed them more fervently. That phenomenon crosses over economic as well as regional distinctions, interesting, isn't it?
  
  Otherwise I expect our folks to have the percentage of split allegiances to the political parties as do whites.
  
  That is not so much the past as it is in the present. The "past" is not so far removed as you may think.
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Wait a minute, credence, are you saying we have made very little progress on the race front?
  How can that be?
  we had a black President, two if you count Clinton.
  We have a black on the Supreme Court by the name of Justice Thomas.
  We have the richest women in entertainment and most respected in Oprah Winfrey.
  We have blacks as CEO of industry like Robert Johnson...
  Blacks has succeeded in every field of endeavor, in literature, in sciences and in economics and business...
  If this is not progress, I don't know what would be?
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  I can't deny that, Jack, but the changes are not enough for most of us to see that reflected in differing political allegiances as that is the case at present.
  
  Still far too often, racism remains a stubborn aspect of life in America. Our changing political allegiances will be the canary in the coal mine that the coast can be considered clear. I haven't seen that yet.
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  gmwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Credence, of course there is racism. However, despite racism, Black people have more great educational & socioeconomic inroads in American society. Yes, there is the underclass but many times, the Black underclass have made their bad due to their own negative behavior & mindset. Let us not play the blame game here, Credence. I am a Liberal, not Leftist, Black educated middle class woman. I have observed poor & underclass Black people & for the MOST part, they ELECT to be poor & underclass. If they wanted better, they would do BETTER! Enough said----NEXT!
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  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  I guess that's the point. There is a huge group of black people that are blaming whites for all their problems...problems which, for the most part, they bring on themselves with their lifestyle and actions. And you join right into that group with a perception that all whites are out to trod on blacks, that most police want nothing more than to kill a black man, that blacks do nothing to deserve the perceived poor lifestyle.
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  So, 90 percent are blaming whites for everthing? That is why our group cling to Democrats as Republicans reflect your attitude and are things to be avoided. Pretty simplistic, no?That is what I mean by you folks not understanding and not listening. It is an arrogant and pompous position so many of you take which drives us away from conservatives and like minded people and explains the "90 percent".
  
  So, as a result, the schism continues.....
  
  Again, like I said, you neither know nor understand but it is easy to take the position of denial and basically castigate the entire group based on your simplistic misinterpretation of what is going on.
  
  But why should I be surprised, the attitude that you express is too commonly held which is why we all are where we are.....
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  what is simplistic is that a group of people, perfectly free thinking, would adhere to one party for generations and not realize how they have been deceived and they have been marginalized and have been taken for granted. It is now, in the age of Trump, that some have opened their minds and eyes and see a real difference in public policies that are working for them. That is the beginning of the "walk away" movement and 30% is just the start of this. I fully expect, over time, this group will rise to roughly 50% which is what every other groups seems to be divided on.
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Jack,
  
  Who is saying that we have been deceived? The other side is far worse than anything that the Democrats have represented on our behalf.
  
  What make you guys so smart as to be qualified to speak about other people being deceived, have you allowed for the possibility that you and the Right are being deceived?
  
  WE know that the Republicans are about nothing and are well below any of our lowest expectations from the Democrats.
  
  The election will determine is this so called "walk away" movement is just more smoke and mirrors.
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  I was referring to people like Candace Owen, last time I checked she is a black conservative.
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9JHjPIBoXdU
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, she is, and I have heard her speak and I am not impressed.
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  It is not just one black...there is a whole new movement of blacks.
  what do you say about that?
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Kim Klacik -
  
  https://www.wbaltv.com/article/profile- … /34428057#
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  How big is the movement? Is it enough to fill a Grayhound bus?
  
  The proof will be revealed through a change in Black voting behavior and that test can take place this November 3rd. Only then, can we really speak about "this movement" having any real influence.
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  True. That is why I brought it up to you now, so that when it happens, you won't be surprised or shocked.
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  But, I don't want you to be disappointed if it doesn't happen.
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  I won't. It has little to do with me. I am just a bystander....maybe not, I did contribute to Kim's campaign to fix up Baltimore. I love that city and have been there many times on vacation.
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  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  I will give credit where it is due, I have heard that Baltimore is a rough town.
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  There are two parts of Baltimore downtown. Within the harbor area, it is a great tourist attraction...with hotels, shops, restaurants, and boat tours...
  Just outside in the surrounding areas, there are boarded up buildings and drug dens and seedy establishments...a real tale of two cities. Worth a trip...
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  gmwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Wilderness, PREACH, PREACH......PREACH my brother!
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  gmwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Totally agree .......
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  gmwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Jack, succinctly stated!
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  gmwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Egad Cred egad!
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  Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  I have no trust whatsoever in Biden, he changes not only his policies almost daily, he is visibly confused about where he is, and even who he is running against. He seems to believe what he says at the time he is saying it. He is frail and being lead around. This is actually sad and embarrassing for the country. In regards to Hunter/Joe corruption accusations, I feel the FBI needs to step up and clarify one way or the other if they are conducting an investigation into the whistleblower's allegations. These accusations are serious and these people making the accusations have names, faces. This may not be hearsay, but actual whistleblower's (so far three whistleblowers) with proof of corruption. None have been afraid to step up and be identified. The finger has been pointed at Hunter and Joe, time for the FBI to clarify if they are investigating Joe Biden for anything.
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  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure I agree with the FBI making public statements about what they are doing. While it has become popular to demand that they, and police, have 300 million people looking over their shoulder at every move they make or every interview they conduct, it does seem like that could have a very deleterious effect on any investigation.
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  The FBI needs to clean house at the top. Comey under Obama has dirty up its reputation for a long while. We can't trust in what did do anymore. If they had the Hunter Biden laptop, where is the follow-up?
  The politicization of our intelligence agencies falls squarely on Obama, starting with the IRS.
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  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  "If they had the Hunter Biden laptop, where is the follow-up?"
  
  That was the point; if they had the laptop, it would be foolish in the extreme to make public what was on it, their rationale for going further with an investigation OR in dropping it. While the public increasingly demands to know every tiny detail of day to day, or hour to hour, police work (they can deny better that way, or spread disinformation, or spin what they know into what it isn't) our justice system needs to keep a lid on it until finished and either going to court or not.
  
  In particular, when that knowledge could (and would) be used to influence an election then it absolutely needs to be under wraps.
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  That only make sense if they are working on it...
  It does not if they are just covering it up and hope it goes away.
  
  I have no confidence in them or anyone else in DC...
  After what went on in the past with Benghazi and other investigations that seem to went no where, and people never held accountable. It seems the insiders protect their own - at any cost.
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  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  That's the claim of the BLM as well (that insiders protect their own - at any cost) - do you accept that in the general term (not forgetting the number of cops in the country)? Or do you accept that we will have a few bad apples but that the large majority of cops are honest and work hard NOT to be biased?
  
  If the latter, why would you believe the BLM (composed of anyone that calls themselves that) over the FBI (composed of carefully chosen people)?
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  Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  I Would hope they could as I said confirm they are doing an investigation in regards to a whistleblower or actually three now. They need not give any other info other than if they are investigating the laptop or not. We know have Bobulinski that handed over his PC and three cell phones. And Hunters partner handing his emails over to author Peter Schweizer. This could turn into a huge conspiracy theory. In my opinion, I would rather have some clarity. One would think a good son would step up and deny the reports.
  
  As was announced when a Special Counsel was hired to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, and alleged links between associates of Donald Trump and Russian officials, and possible obstruction of justice by Trump, conducted by special prosecutor Robert Mueller. In my opinion with this kind of accusation (actually if true, this would be as harmful to the country as what the Dems accused Trump of doing with the notorious Ukrainian phonecall and impeachment ) American's have the right to know. Due to Biden running for the highest position in the land. The FBI has had the computer since Dec 2019. They could certainly by this point dismiss the allegations or confirm they have not finished their investigation.
  
  Could you imagine if these accusations were made against one of Trump's children? Leak Leak Leak -- No really...
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  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  I agree.
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  GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  ^5
  
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Live to Learnposted 4 years ago
Joe Biden is to old to understand politics as usual have changed. We hear what you say, wherever you are. Flip flipping, in order to garner votes; then not standing by anything you've said is politics of the past.

Only a fool would trust Joe Biden.
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  gmwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  +1000000000!
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Readmikenowposted 4 years ago
This should put it in perspective for me.

Things I trust more than Joe Biden

Mexican tap water
A porcupine with a “pet me” sign
Bill Clinton, with my teenage daughter
Taking pills or a drink offered by Bill Cosby
A Bigfoot sighting
Gas station sushi
Eating an apple from an orchard at Fukushima reactor #4
Hitching a ride from a guy in a goalie mask
The ingredients in a hotdog
Nancy Pelosi’s grip on reality
Black Ice
Alien abduction stories
An economic plan from AOC
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  gmwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  EXACTLY!
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lambservantposted 4 years ago
Absolutely not!!! He's been in office 47 years and never popular. He was caught red-handed plagiarizing on a few occasions and lying about what college he went to and his academic grades. He also said NAACP has always endorsed him. The NAACP's website commented on this saying it is a non partisan organization and they have never endorsed candidates. He said when war on Iraq was called for he voted no, but the record says he voted for it. All these things are documented. There is a long list from this.
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  Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this
  He is not honest, and worst than that, he is doing it to just tell anybody what they want to hear. To me, this makes it all the worse.
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  gmwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly, however, there were THOSE that believed Biden's hype.
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  gmwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  Lambservant, hate to say- hell yes. Totally agree w/your statement. Biden is a colorless career politician. Never respected Joe nor took him seriously. I consider Biden to be a joke.
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Kathleen Cochranposted 4 years ago
Only a million times more than Trump. What are we up to? 20,000 confirmed lies? What's to trust? At this point, let me borrow a phrase: Hunter Biden could shoot somebody in the middle of 5th Avenue and I wouldn't care.
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  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this
  "What's to trust?"
  
  Certainly not those "confirming" those lies, for the large percentage of their "confirmations" are bigger lies than Trump ever made.
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