Will they be considered a "threat" or a "danger" to others?
Is this the end of "Freedom" as we know it?
Because some think the vaccine will have many dangerous side effects that could be worse than not getting it....so...What's next?
Or, Is the vaccine really so wonderful? Is it really safe? I heard on the news that in Ipswich, MA at a CVS the wrong dose was given. A small problem I suppose. But what of the possible long-term side effects and how they say that the vaccine won't protect against more aggressive Covid? Lots of questions....
In my opinion, once we reach the point where all that have received the vaccine that wants it. We will have some that made the choice not to get the vaccine. That should be their right. They will still run a risk that they could get COVID. If they do, they will be naturally immune. It's a risk they were willing to make.
If a mutation occurs that the current vaccine is not effective, we will all once again wait for a new vaccine. However, the virus could become far less apt to cause death, This would be the best scenario.
It would be impossible to predict the long-term effect of the vaccine. Hopefully, there are none. A vaccine as a rule is tested for a few years before being given. At this point, the science community is saying it's safe. It will be interesting to see if any of them say otherwise. So, far I have not seen any real negative reports on the vaccines.
I have questions too regarding your OP title. The CDC requires a negative covid test to fly both internationally and domestic as of Jan 26, 2021. Will that escalate to a requirement of being vaccinated? Thus, being isolated. I am left wondering about other restrictions if not vaccinated. To add to as soon as I got vaccinated with the first dose I was handed a vaccination card identifying me as having it. I carry it in my wallet.
I feel the vaccine is safe, though there have been stories. I must admit I was hesitant because there was no long term study for effects. Yet, neither did they with polio vaccine. And, it was life saving and still is. The bottom line is I have trust in science with the vaccine.
Being an RN I am a bit worried about taking a vaccine that we just do not know the long-term effects. However, in this type of pandemic, it is so important to build a herd with a vaccine. I will be taking the vaccine. This virus needs to be contained until it fizzles out. The bigger herd the sooner it will denature.
I also travel out of the country, and I do think it will be required to fly. Just not willing to give up travel.
We are in agreement with hesitancy and I still wonder about it's long term effects, though had it done. My decision was based on I am an old guy over 65, diabetic, and early stages of emphysema, so a high risk group. I did study up on it and went with what the experts said. And, what you shared regard herd immunity is a strong argument.
I think you made a very prudent choice. I am over 65, I am lucky enough as of yet not to have any comorbidities. I worked on a voluntary basis last spring when the hospitals were a bit overrun and in need of staff. I worked in ICU for many years, but they put me to work on the IV team. I saw more than I wanted to. I will share in my experience I found those that were the sickest and lost their lives were as a rule over 75 - 80. I have made the decision to get the vaccine when my turn comes around. Here in Michigan, the rollout has been slow.
I had biology as one of my majors and if they produced the vaccine the way they say they have then all it (the mRNA or messenger RNA) does is tells the cells in your body to produce a certain protein. Your body generates all kinds of proteins all the time using mRNA. In this case the generated protein will be seen as foreign and attacked.
It is the same protein that the virus has on its surface. So when your body then comes in contact with the virus it would attack the virus since antibodies of a sort will already be present. The end effect is the same as other vaccines, but this is a different tecnhique that was used.
It should not have any long term effects because all it does is tells your body to generate that protein and it dies off after a while. Here is a one minute video that explains it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7s48Rs … nMethodist
What the video does not say is that the protein on the virus is attacked which renders it unable to penetrate cells thus making it useless and it is eventually flushed out of your body. The video just says that it is killed. It is not killed but the spikes it uses to get into your cells are destroyed.
So if you took one of these mRNA vaccines and your body fought off the original response you should not have to worry about it. You could lose immunity in time and you could get infected and that may not go down well, but it is a different story. What I'm trying to say is you shouldn't have to worry about it if it's taken and done.
I'm honestly more concerned about being chipped while being vaccinated as I remember there were reports about those who got it would be chipped, but I don't think that's the case right now as far as I can tell. It's possible those who don't get the vaccine may get quarantined, but I doubt it since there'd be too much red tape to make that happen. Remember George W. Bush refused to legalize gay marriages for the longest time, but that didn't stop individual states like California and others from making it legal, so it just depends on a lot of things.
However, I do see a lot of employers mandating their own employees to get vaccinated or risk being fired, as I do see something like that happening though; especially if you work in a customer service level position dealing directly with people on a daily basis.
In a free society, I wonder how you can isolate anybody. In any case, it would be the wrong way to go about the entire matter.
"Is the vaccine really so wonderful? Is it really safe?"
Vaccines take several years to be developed. These Covid vaccines were developed in under a year. I'd assume that these aren't safe.
All the more reason to wait on it if you can.
I found an interesting article on AOL. I, as a rule, try to find articles and studies from other countries. Many seem to be doing more scientific studies on COVID than in the USA. I noted here in Michigan our hospitalizations have taken a deep plunge which indicates the Virus is not making citizens as ill. It is possible we have an unseen herd or the virus has mutated into a virus that causes fewer problems. Which some scientists are reporting. I have not got my vaccine and with the new outlook, the scientist is giving.
And then there is this ---" LONDON (Reuters) - Scotland's vaccination drive appears to be markedly reducing the risk of hospitalization for COVID-19, suggesting that both the Pfizer-BioNtech and Oxford-AstraZeneca shots are highly effective in preventing severe infections, preliminary study findings showed on Monday.
Results of the study, which covered the entire Scottish population of 5.4 million people, showed that by the fourth week after the initial dose, the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines were found to reduce the risk of hospitalization by up to 85% and 94% respectively." https://mail.aol.com/webmail-std/en-us/suite
I DON'T trust the covid vaccine. Nope.......
Covid handling adds to every kind of serious problems in our live except for the wealthy. Now the vaccine is said, to save human kind. I take truthers science vs Covid world order for 20.... 20 years to develop a vaccine. It took a century for the flu at 4o% efficiency, that is most related to Covid and SARS. Animal disease related.
From the over domination of the people. They will get tired of the lack of freedom and abuse real soon. Then the pendulum will swing the other way.
No vaccine wil be forced into my body.
Most Americans opposed vaccine mandate, who agrees with me. Until our owners push their profits and conclusions again.
No one should be mandated to take anything into their body that they feel uncomfortable with. It is clear you really feel the vaccine could be a problem due to not being developed so quickly without a time period to ascertain its safety.
I must ask --- Do you have any expectations that those that did opt to take the vaccine should continue to wear masks to protect those that chose not to get the vaccine? You do realize COVID will be around for some years, and many are opting to get the vaccine to live a freer mask-free life.
Just curious about your thoughts.
We don't really have human rights, we have privileges. Today I don't even know what we got.
Masks do more harm for lack of fresh oxygen into our ammume system amoug a dozen other mishandling of masks.
Viruses been around since we crawled out of the sea. Trump claimed Covid virus, a war. Oh boy!!! another war on biooraganism and nature. That way, Government collects more money on covid than any war in human history. With one of the lowest death rates. You can kill a person and be called a murderer. Then a leader can kill millions and get a Noble peace prize. You see, no soul.
There are more viruses than stars in the universe. The top 200 best known viruses attack all of us all the time in degrees? Wealthy interests groups lack a soul. Government is the new God's corporationism is the new Religion. Nationalism completes all the ism and they own you.
Covid 19, I think 19 stands for the weight you gain sitting or laying at home. There is serious talk about us selling a healthy plant & fungi food and we have to be vaccinated. Food ,& excerize is most needed in the top ten ways to die. And Covid is far from the top ten.
I for one AM NOT taking the vaccine. There are too many negative aftereffects of this vaccination. My maternal uncle died because of the vaccination.
That is wise GM.
I have taken vaccine in the pass, yet nowhere this scale of global forced half bake vaccine going way beyond humankind has ever seen.
Wait and see what happens with herd immunity results. Yet, even by your own immune system of 99.98 survival if you caught Covid. Then globally you have a 1 in 2400 chance of catching Covid. I trust these numbers far more than vaccine being 90 to 94% efficiency and far too many side effects. Gate states 80% of people get sick, something is seriousally not correct because I have not been sick before on vaccines I've taken.
"even by your own immune system of 99.98 survival if you caught Covid"
You math is just a bit off: at that survival rate of those that caught COVID, and 500,000 dead in the US from it, it would mean that 2.5 billion people (in a population of 320 million) caught the disease. I wouldn't trust that number very far!
I usually have a reaction to the flue vaccine I get every year. Not sick (have never heard of anyone actually getting sick from it), but a minor reaction. Much like I had to the first COVID vaccine, though the COVID vaccine didn't result in as much soreness at the injection site. The second was worse, with general malaise that I don't get with the flu vaccine, but not sick either.
I have not taken the flu shot in my life. Only at age 7 had the flu and once , when I was an adult.
I know plenty of people who do get the flu shots and often running down with the flu illness.
I know people that get the flu shot and still get the flu. I did both this year, for that matter.
Of course, I've been getting the shot for the past decade or so, since grandchildren entered my life big time. And have gotten the flue just once, while the childrens family gets it every year.
Like the COVID shot, it works. Not perfect (what in this life works perfectly, 100%?), but with a high degree of success.
Have you really looked at the global number. At this time Covid generally is way up , regardless of mass vaccines roll outs.
I haven't heard of any "mass vaccines roll out" in Africa. Or South America. Not even much of Asia and certainly not India.
Sleepy Joe says vaccines are 100% safe and most senior are vaccinated and covid has dropped.
Of April of last year, Covid way up with worst lockdown.
India is in their 2nd wave per capita overall they are 1/10th of covid of the US. China that the US keep blaming are per capita 1/300th Covid deaths.
South and Africa are generally lower in Covid deaths than North America and Europe
I have hope more will opt to be vaccinated, Joe just offered all kinds of goodies to show up and get that poke. This is one of the most ridiculous crap I have heard yet. He hopes to have free tickets to sports events, discount coupons for stores where one takes the vaccine, and more.
My God what next... Enter at 6.09 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1vOn8rQ5LE
I think the reason why they want at least 70% vaccinated before July 4th, is because, MANY SIDE EFFECTS will happen to all who were vaccinated in not too long of time.....any (then) the people who didn't get vaccinated will (know) that it's (dangerous.) Which sadly not everyone knows.
BTW, my close friend had bad mammogram after getting her 2 doses. the doctor said it was from the vaccine. she hopes she'll be ok....
I'd have to say more people have now taken the vaccine than got COVID. How many have died from the vaccine vs how many died from COVID? Which one is more dangerous?
Vaccine is more dangerous because Covid is way up from last year at this time. Pharmaceutical industry who were considered evil before, are suddenly the the good guys
I feel that we are up against a wall at this point. The virus has started to mutate more quickly as was expected. The problem is, it is becoming more virulent. I feared this, and it could at this point become even worse as it mutates into new strains. ( 382,691 new cases and 3,786 new deaths in India [source] Worldometer)
The strain in India is affecting all ages. This strain s now being found in the US. as of last week.
As a rule, I am for free choice. However, this is so serious that it could turn into a pandemic of a proportion that would spin out of control, as we would need to seek new vaccines as the virus mutates. I wish the Government would be more truthful about the seriousness of what is happening and what could happen.
Here in Michigan, we are having a problem getting Black people to get vaccinated, only 8% have been vaccinated versus 80% of white people.
The Governor has opened up most venues up as a walk-in without an appointment, we have volunteers knocking on doors offering rides to venues.
We need to stop the virus before it becomes impossible to stop. As a nurse, I was naturally leery about taking the vaccine. But my science education tells me there are just more pros than cons in the need to take the vaccine. I guess I might say --- I would have no rights if
I was dead.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/03/who-is- … orld-.html
State and and bankers are playing us amazing like a fiddle.
Use the force, a healthy immune system.
They very well could be, I agree. However, we do have some evidence of the virus is mutating, and this makes me concerned about being able to control it in any true fashion. We do have evidence the vaccine works even with the 10 new strains so far. The evidence is scratchy, and it is already being said we would most likely need boosters the current vaccines that we have available. Pretty much like the yearly flu vaccine.
It does appear that thus far a healthy immune system can get one through COVID with few problems. It's what could be coming while it mutates that is concerning, and I don't think scientists know a lot about this virus. This also concerns me. Although it is from the same type of viruses that is responsible for the common cold viruses., it has proved to be much more lethal.
I don't think we are being played look at the death rate worldwide 3.3 million people have died. from COVID.
Yes, one of my male maternal relatives died as a result of the covid vaccine. People have been pushing me to get the vaccination- NOPE, NOPE, NOPE. NOPE.
I think the past week has given us some new information. The DELTA does spread more quickly. However, it is not causing a high number of deaths. We know vaccinated people have been getting DELTA, but have milder symptoms in a high majority of cases. The hospitals are not growing to capacity in most states. These are new variables that can help you make a decision on getting the vaccination or not. Also, it would appear you certainly have not contracted COVID, and it's been around now for a year and a half. It appears you have a good immune system, so that is a positive. I can see you are very determined not to take the vaccination, and your mind is set. At this point in my view knowing all I know today you still have a chance of getting DELTA, but stats dictate you would get sick, but survive it with better odds. Those with compromised health don't do as well. Be safe, distant, and wear a mask. Hopefully, we will see an end to COVID in the near future.
Many issues surrounding this vaccines are not yet confirmed, the importance of having it is there but not sure how long will it be effective because the virus keeps mutating.The uncertainty about its long-term side effects is also indisputable. So it's so hard to conclude that this is what should be done. We are just guided by trends in variants and efficacy of the current vaccines
I am self-isolating.
I am doing all sorts of fun stuff which I was never able to do before.
I will continue to self-isolate, no problem.
Self-isolation is SO FUN. I am an only child so self-isolation is no problem at all. I have my books, youtube, computer, HubPages, dvds, cds-what more could I want. If I want to order food, I will order online. I also can cook. I have become a better cook since the lockdown. I can look at museum programs virtually.
In a free society, how do you isolate someone on his belief? There are many Christians I know who do not take any medicine of any kind at all. They rely only on nature's cure. It is their wish. I do not see how you can isolate anybody who does not wish to take the vaccine. It is possible in a communist dictatorship like in China but certainly not in the democratic world.
You are 300 times per capita greater chance of catching covid from a American than a Chinese person. Natural holistic methods is the best way to fight off any virus or diseases. Our immune system needs practice or when a disease comes along we are not ready for in healthy practices or in our adaptation of our species.
I've toured USSR and the US and much of the world is turning into a communist state by a few wealthy dictators. US has not been a true democracy since Lincoln assassination.
This country is BECOMING communist. Matter of time..
A great pushback gains ground around the world.
Ultimately people will not allowed tyranny rule everything for long.
The world is run by fear more than love right now.
. The COVID outbreak is causing increased fear and worries. Also Online studies and predictors of fear.
. Increased fear was related to perceived risks for loved ones and health anxiety. Also related to regular and social media use.
. The management of fear or is an adaptive response in the presence of danger and uncertainty. Fear become chronic and burdensome. Even by WHOrganization and CDC lying numbers. The coronavirus pandemic any more serious than the flue. When I add up all the flu deaths in each year in my lifetime, it's 30times greater deaths than Covid deaths in Canada. Canada's high above average country for per capita for covid deaths.
Other fears worry, safety behaviors, preferential attention), and an open-ended question. The predictors included psychological vulnerability, intolerance and health anxiety. Fear of media exposure, and personal relevance (i.e., personal health, risk for loved ones, and risk control. in a simultaneous and risks for loved including the health of loved ones, health care fear is not well calibrated to the actual threat, like levels of mental health such as phobia and social anxiety. Panic shopping or xenophobia). On the other hand, when there is insufficient fear, this may also result in harm for individuals and society. Fear triggers safety behaviors hand washing, masks, contamination. It goes on endlessly
Especially the Democratic run states. Senor DeBlasio is going to institute a vaccination identity card which will be mandatory if one wishes to participate in indoor activities such as attending museums, plays, & restaurants. I will try to go to restaurants until this dictatorial, draconian decree is implemented. Hopefully, a Republican mayor will view such as nonsense. Democrats are the new dictators now.
Here is a very good comment, in my opinion. I am thankful for it, very much. Which is an understatement.
Thank you, MG Singh.
Cullman, AL, where Trump's rally was held, declared a state of emergency on Thursday after experiencing a 218% increase in hospitalizations over the previous two weeks, Insider reports.
Advisers to the former president have reportedly urged him for months to make a public service announcement about the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccine. In April, Trump suggested he would make a "commercial" for the vaccine, but that video never materialized. Still, the former president's face-to-face appeal to a crowd of supporters marked, as one commentator put it, "the first good thing Trump has ever said."
"the first good thing Trump has ever said."
You can say THAT again!!!! Just giving credit where it is due.
by Castlepaloma 5 days ago
https://youtu.be/4Ik6cxFBbBwI've already lost my sculpture industry and much of any possible of getting a job by being unvaccinated or dating someone and that makes life nearly impossible.Are we putting all our eggs in one basket. Are we on the brink of loosing all individuals Human rights?
by Mike Russo 2 months ago
This is from Vanity Fair July 16, 2021In a push designed to treat unvaccinated Americans like an oppressed group, Republicans are reportedly pursuing a series of bills that would make it illegal to “discriminate” against those who choose not to get the COVID-19 vaccine. At least one...
by Castlepaloma 11 hours ago
https://youtu.be/e6AusTDCLBUSweden has been a good example of this practice and went down to zero covid deaths. Don't know how I know how these world events unfold and snowball the other way. It could be intituvive (extreme logic) or a historic and gsypie buff plus knowing billionaire are the...
by Readmikenow 2 months ago
This lawmaker from Germany is spot on about the vaccine! I especially like the video in the middle of the article of her giving her speech. "A German member of the European Parliament declared to colleagues she would rather be jailed than receive a COVID-19 vaccine, arguing she is...
by Faye v 4 weeks ago
On his last day as director of the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Francis Collins' frustration was evident."I get upset because people point to anecdotes of somebody who got sick even though they had been vaccinated and say, 'There, you see, it doesn't work,' " Collins told Fox News...
by Readmikenow 7 hours ago
At least two hospitals are coming clean. They are admitting something I've been aware of since the beginning of the pandemic. People are being admitted to the hospital to treat a certain condition. If they test positive for Covid, the reason for their admission is listed as...
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