Why are Republicans Trying to Destroy America?
Every poll says the same thing:
Republicans believe COVID is a hoax in significant numbers (some even to the point of denying COVID as they die, unable to breathe)
Republicans, way more than Democrats, refused to wear masks (thereby leading to the spread of COVID)
Republicans, way more than Democrats, remain unvaccinated (thereby leading to an increase in variants and the spread of COVID)
So why don't Republicans want America to recover from COVID?Crank,
Thanks for providing your sources.
The VOAnews link provides some interesting data. It's obvious white, Republicans are less likely to get the vaccine. Does this increase the spread of the disease? It's important you realize even after having the vaccine, thousands of vaccinated people are dying from it.
Could part of it be that the survival rate for Covid is 99 percent?
https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/verif … 2b5265d8a8
The USA today story is just an opinion piece. South Dakota never had a lockdown and they did far better percentage wise with Covid cases and deaths when compared to California and New York who imposed ineffective suppressive methods to control Covid.99% of all COVID deaths currently are from unvaccinated people.
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- … 54f5d5e187
"So why don't Republicans want America to recover from COVID?"
Are we really so far apart in this country as to ask a nonsensical question as that? Are we really so unwilling to listen to the "other side" (whatever it might be)? Have we truly lost all sense of empathy and really don't care what people have to say, to the point of refusing to hear their words at all?
Or were you just being sarcastic about a view/belief that you don't share?Are you asking if I'm willing to listen to somebody who refuses to get vaccinated?
Of course you should. How else can you understand what they are trying to communicate? How else can you ever have even the smallest hope of convincing them otherwise if you don't understand what their perception is?
Plus, of course, they might even convince you that you should not get poked! You never know what might be learned if one just listens.Vaccines are one of the 20th century's greatest accomplishments. In my opinion, people who refuse to get vaccinated are idiots. And while they are within their rights, they should not have the right to put the rest of us in danger. If they don't want to get their children vaccinated, that's fine. They can be home schooled. They can have planes just for unvaccinated people.
That said, the government does have a history of using certain groups as guinea pigs, so I can understand hesitancy by those groups.
For the most part, the hesitancy is a lack of education, lack of trust in the government, and an anti-science prejudice.
There's no convincing these people. As some of my links noted, even as they're dying, they're claiming COVID is a hoax.
Perhaps we all just need to follow the Republican lead vis a vis masks - just throw caution to the wind and let the unvaccinated die. It's a form of Darwinism, after all.If you are vaccinated...why would you worry about someone who is not vaccinated? If you have such faith in your vaccine, you shouldn't fear anyone who isn't vaccinated. Your vaccine makes you immune...unless it doesn't.
Mike, I've never heard one CDC official say that the vaccine makes a person immune to the virus. People in medical positions say that it prevents extreme cases and keeps people from going to the hospital, and inhibits the spread of the virus. I hear them say this during TV interviews on CNN and CBS, the channels I watch the most for news. The strange thing is when I try to source this online, I can't find a single source. The whole subject is too ambiguous, abstruse, and even obtuse. There seems to be a disparity in the freedom of the press and the censorship of online companies.
Could this lead to some people's reluctance to get vaccinated?The vaccine doesn't keep people from dying from Covid. There are thousands of people who are vaccinated and still get Covid. There are thousands of vaccinated people who have died from Covid.
According to the CDC, you have a chance of experiencing an adverse reaction.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc … vents.html
So, you take your chances. Covid has a 99 percent survival rate. So, what good is the vaccine?
Here's a story from the liberal MSN. Yes, it points out that surviving it may require long hospital stays and unpleasant experiences. Yet, people survive it.
"VERIFY: Yes, COVID-19 has a 99% survival rate but numbers don't tell the whole story"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica … r-BB1gT2Tl
Again, what good is the vaccine?... especially it has killed people or maimed people who otherwise wold have been fine.
One person unnecessarily harmed by the vaccine is a crime.
In My ViewI think it comes down to people who mindlessly do what the government tells them. Then there are the others, those of us who do spend time doing actual research and don't buy the government's propaganda. It is also on the CDC website that no testing needs to be done for a person to be declared as having died or be sick with Covid. They simply have to have "Covid-Like" symptoms. This is the reason some states reported not having a single case of the flu this past flu season. I read that and wanted to scream "am I the only one who can see the tens of thousands of annual flu cases were listed as covid?" You have people who had gunshot wounds, but because they had covid-like symptoms, their cause of death is listed as Covid, not as a result of their insides being torn up by bullets. So, you have to ask yourself, why is it so important? Why the effort to make everyone have a vaccine for something that has a 99 percent survival rate? A vaccine that is harming people and doesn't provide protection as vaccinated people can still die from Covid. It just doesn't make sense.
96% of all deaths from COVID have been from unvaccinated people.
Government is advocating on behalf of science, which is telling us that the vaccines are highly effective. It's not government saying something without the evidence to back it up.Are you sure they're from Covid? All a person has to do is have "Covid-Like" symptoms to have a death listed as Covid according to the CDC. It depends on how you interpret highly effective. Any scientist who presents any evidence concerning how ineffective the vaccines are...is destroyed. Why? Why can't a scientist with an alternate view be heard? It's the same way with the allegations of Global Warming. Scientists who don't believe it and have their own alternate research is destroyed. Never forget the government is always more politics than facts. They have an agenda.
The problem, Mike, is that the anti-government forces have an agenda as well and it is anything but benign.
Some common problems with vaccine.
1. It has not been approved by the FDA. It is still in the category of an experimental drug.
2. NOBODY knows the long-term effects of the vaccine. I've had people send me information about the long-term testing done on animals, and it didn't go well.
3. The CDC does not provide accurate numbers as far as vaccinated people who get covid. There is a lawsuit based on a government whistleblower testimony that the deaths from the vaccine is into the tens of thousands. Why won't the CDC release the information?
4. The CDC doesn't update its own data base concerning adverse events from the vaccine. Why?"Why won't the CDC release the information?"
It's a little out of date (4-15-2021), but
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica … r-BB1fH36Q
Saying that it is out of date based on a lawsuit filed, without any result of that suit, doesn't mean squat. When the suit finds that the CDC is intentionally underreporting numbers by the tens of thousands then you may ask why they didn't release the information. Until then it is hearsay only, which the web is full of and is completely worthless as factual information.
They also have a chart of at least the Moderna vaccine reactions:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/i … icity.htmlI can't claim to be the expert here, Mike.
But, is there just a kernel of truth that the vast majority of fatalities are among the unvaccinated?
And, we can't have it both ways, there was over a year ago a feverous pitch to get a vaccine out to the public. Now, that one has been available, many say that it is neither safe or effective? No one has really had the time to test to the nth degree as you seem to be suggesting.Just heard the local news. Over 95% of COVID cases were unvaccinated. Over 95% of COVID deaths were unvaccinated. Over 95% of COVID hospitalizations were unvaccinated. (Don't remember the actual numbers, just that they were all over 95%).
That should say something about the efficacy of the vaccine.There are two lines of information people can choose to go by.
There is the Main Stream narrative.
Then there are the people who do their own digging for facts.
For example:
Silicon valley inventor/entrepreneur Steve Kirsch claims that inside sources told him the true death count [from getting the vaccine] is 25,800 and that the CDC has been “reclassifying” most vaccine-related deaths. Not only does he cite his sources but he also gives instructions on how to uncover this hidden information -
- it’s revealed that the majority of deaths occur closer to the actual time of the vaccination, which indicates a higher probability of a causal relationship. He presents the data findings that indicate the overwhelming incidents of heart attacks, associated with the VAERS COVID-19 vaccine. This occurs a day to three days after the vaccination. He also emphasizes that the indication of Myocarditis/Pericarditis actually increases with vaccination ,as age decreases. This is actually counter intuitive because young people should have less probability of experiencing such heart related troubles, not higher probability.
If you do your own research, you will find reputable and scientific reports that would scare any sane person into not getting this vaccine.
However, if you try to express what you find to others, expect to be labelled an anti-vaxxer, among other derogatory labels meant to demean and polarize, to incite hate and fear.
The label “anti-vaxxer” created by the MSM, which are funded by pharmaceutical advertising, as are many of our politicians. So similar to how propaganda was used against the Jews in Nazi Germany, but then, that's all there is remaining in our MSM today... and those of us that recognize it, do our own research on EVERYTHING.When you did your research, did you compare the number of heart attacks after vaccination to the number of heart attacks without vaccination?
There are about 1,500,000 heart attacks per year in the US, or 4109 per day. This means 12,328 in any given 3 day period. If the number of heart attacks after vaccination, but within 3 days, is considerably higher than 12,328 there may indeed be a problem. What is that number?
Can you adjust for the fact that a considerably higher percentage of the vaccinated are older than the average population? That, too, should be a part of your research.DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH
That's what I would suggest to anyone interested in finding out information on these vaccines, do not trust your "news" or your neighbor, do your own research.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/c … ditis.html
https://rightsfreedoms.wordpress.com/20 … ood-clots/
http://thehealthedge.com/covid-vaccine- … ch-500000/
Instead of quoting the record of how many heart attacks there are in a given year.... try researching Covid Vaccines and the related KNOWN side effects and concerns.
Rather than be dis-informative, as if you were trying to cover the matter up, give consideration to the issues related to this experimental and relatively untested new vaccine type... it is NOT something a parent should be forcing their child (especially boys) to get just because the talking heads in the news tell them to... people need to do their own research and ignore those that like to shame or name-call others, those who are smart enough to be concerned and question.It sounds like you're saying that it doesn't matter what the general population record of heart attacks is: that any heart attacks subsequent to vaccination indicate a serious problem.
Yet you know this is not true; that if the rate of heart attacks subsequent to vaccination is the same (or lower) than the general rate through the population it shows that the rate is not affected by vaccination. Yet this simple concept is hidden away, unmentioned - why? To scare the population into thinking there is a lie when there is not?
(YOU presented the heart attack rate as indicative of a problem - YOU present the facts, including comparison of heart attack rates with and without the vaccination. Support your claim, in other words.)
Interested so did some digging to see the other side of the coin regarding Steven Kirsch's claims. Discovered an interesting article regarding that some may find interest in for making a determination. It is at Covid-19 Data Science's site. It looks at Kirsch's released document where the author of the article evaluated it. Anyway, as said if any interested in the other side of the coin.
I think that is an excellent link, allowing for those interested in finding more information to do so, as I say, one should do their own research and not dismiss those who are concerned, or who are warning of potential side effects as "anti-vaxxers".
When the CDC themselves are putting out information that suggests there is a risk that young men who get the vaccine may suffer, strokes, heart attacks, even death, then there is something to be concerned about if you have young boys you are responsible for.
If you are over the age of 50 and have no kids, or grand-kids, then your not the one at risk to suffer a heart attack or permanent life changing harm, its the young men that seem most effected by it.
Ken,
I get my info from the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota, people that I have dealt with who have generally been reliable and truthful.
I may question CDC as administration propaganda or the right wing oriented site you posted as a source. So, many of us do our research but come to different conclusions.
We have plenty of "Monday Morning Quarterbacks", and after all, hindsight is always 20/20, Right?
Whether it was Trump a year ago or Biden, today, the goal was to get a working vaccine to the public as soon as possible to stem the rising infections and death toll.
In this as in all human endeavor, a perfect product is never possible. What do you say should have been done? The Mayo Clinic seem to indicate that vaccinated people fare better even after being infected with the variant. Are there side affects? Most certainly, yes.
But what was the alternative? Trump spoke of "warp-speed", were we to resign ourselves to a turtles crawl, instead?
In the face of the urgency and impeding time restraints, what would be your sane, reasonable alternative solution to this problem?Everyone is in a different situation, therefore, everyone should do their own research and determine what is best for them.
In my case, I have two young teenage boys I have to make decisions for.
In the many reports, from CDC to vaccine inventors, that I have read, there is a general consensus that this vaccine is particularly dangerous for young men/boys to take, in fact, they are the largest group for adverse side effects... sometimes deadly side effects.
In addition to that information, is the fact that they are the most likely to survive getting Covid, they have a 99.999 percent chance of having no negative longterm health effects should they get Covid.
Knowing this... how do you think I should feel about people who feel it should be mandatory my children be vaccinated?
If you thought there were a 20% chance that your wife would be negatively harmed and perhaps even killed by the vaccine, would you force it on her?I, too, have heard the concerns regarding young men or boys. And for that reason, I think that it would be a bad idea to mandate innoculations until these observations are investigated more throughly. But the idea of mandatory inoculations has been mentioned before as smallpox/measles vacinations have been mandated for public school attendance in the past. Nothing new there. The only difference is a determination of the extent risk of the vaccine and the prevalence of its side effects. Are the side effects and risks at intolerable levels? There will always aberrations, but is there a dangerous pattern that must make any of us pause before we rush in with mandates?
There have been enough cases of younger people contracting the virus and dying of it, and the stats seem to indicate that 99.999 percent is a bit high.Lets consider the risk factor involved in these:
Measles -
In high income regions of the world such as Western Europe, measles causes death in about 1 in 5000 cases, but as many as 1 in 100 will die in the poorest regions of the world.
So, prior to vaccinations, lets say chances of dying from measles was 1 in 100. Those are some pretty scary odds.
Smallpox -
While an infection of the variola minor virus would lead to death with a probability of less than one percent, the case fatality rate of the variola major virus has been estimated to be around 30 percent.
The specific way a smallpox infection would lead to a patient’s death remains unclear. Much like with covid, it seems many who died from smallpox had other health concerns that contributed to it.
Still, 30 percent is a scary number, regardless of what percentage of 'healthy' people vs. 'unhealthy' people it claimed.
Covid
Older age seems to be the highest risk factor but other risk factors include OBESITY, diabetes, heart disease, and more.
Around 400 aged 18 and under children in the last 1.5 years have died from COVID-19. According to a recent Nature article, almost all, if not all of these deaths were in high risk individuals, who had underlying conditions.
Deaths of those 19 - 44 years of age - 16,400
Deaths of those 45 - 99 years of age - 607,000
Related CDC Link:
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-C … /nr4s-juj3
Deaths from COVID ‘incredibly rare’ among children Studies find that overall risk of death or severe disease from COVID-19 is very low in kids. Source: Nature. 15 July 2021
So, my boys have a 99.999 percent chance of surviving Covid with no long lasting health concerns.
Why on earth do you think I would ever let them be vaccinated, when I know the vaccine is more of a threat to their health and wellbeing than the virus?
Related links:
https://khn.org/news/article/covid-vacc … s-caution/
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid- … the-virus/
we are all a bit crazy, but don't know it.
So you informing me, does no good.
or were you saying my idea is crazy?"One person unnecessarily harmed by the vaccine is a crime."
One of the all-time stupidest things I've ever read that involves a complete lack of understanding about medicine, science, and pretty much anything else.
I am not worried about getting sick myself, but I am worried about possibly transmitting it to my 10 year old son, who is not vaccinated.
According to the CDC, your 10 year old son has a very low chance of getting the virus and if he does, his survival rate is around 99.8 percent.
But why risk it? I wouldn't want my child to be one of the few children who suffer long-lasting effects or die from it. A few children are dying. One child is too many.
Lies, lies lies.
A few may think it is a hoax. It's real except not as dangerous as a dozen other things, could be designed as a bio weapon.
It a hoax because its used as a cover up for the failed monetary currency that is having a domino effect across the Globe right now. Like the wall domino eastern block countries collapse, except larger. Bitcoin is one cause, yet better currency and trade are in the same process.
Fact is, since vaccines it has cause the covid deaths to doubled in speed since roll out."Fact is, since vaccines it has cause the covid deaths to doubled in speed since roll out."
Such a statement would be all the better when accompanied with facts and statistics. Especially when the rate of infection has fallen drastically.They tell you can work or travel if you had prior covid or a double vaccineed. If 99.5% unvaccinated people then that is a big fat lie.
Why?
At the end of 2020 world covid death were under 2 million. Since January vaccine roll out till end of july 4.2 world covid deaths. Governments, big Pharma and media are train liars. Except when Gates and Fauci tell you it will get far worst." The Fact of the matter is this: Since vaccines have been issued/rolled out, Covid19 deaths have doubled in speed."
"Officials stipulated that people would be able to fly for work or travel, provided they can prove they have had Covid 19, (and have the antibodies?) or that they have taken a double-vaccine dose. Unfortunately, airplane travel is impossible for the 99.5% who are not vaccinated. Why the restrictions?
Because, at the end of 2020, Covid 19 deaths, worldwide, were under 2 million, but during the January-July 2021 vaccine roll-out, there were 4.2 million Covid 19 deaths. (The deaths doubled!)
Members of Governments, Big Pharma and the Media are trained liars,
but Gates and Fauci do not lie when they proclaim it will get far worse."
CP interpreted by KHNumbers generally don't lie. Often enough even when they do bend and twisted the numbers.
They still come out liars even with their own numbers.
Crankalicious, you have asked an esoteric question, and nobody on this forum would believe me if I gave an honest esoteric answer. Everybody expressing an opinion, except a couple of us, are in-denial Republicans. I think some of them are fairly reasonable mainstream Republicans who don't want to accept the radical side of the GOP, which now seems to be running the party. Perhaps they should get off their duffs and take their party back. Like they are telling the Dems they should do with the radical socialists trying to take the Democrat Party. I think this country has a problem here with both parties. Each is trying to remove the splinter from its brother's eye while refusing to remove the log from its own eye.
I don't believe we can deny that the radical side of the Republican party is an authoritarian bunch of controlling "do as I say, not as I do" people. If we let them win, they will take us back to the 1950s, which after growing up in that era, I see as one of the most hypocritical times in U.S. history.
The only real productive thing about this era is that the politics, while doing their usual dirty deeds, didn't go about them with such hateful vigor.This article pretty much sums up how I feel about many in the GOP currently:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/republicans- … 05990.htmlLets march all those anti-vaxxers right into re-education camps and force those 100% proven safe and effective vaccines into them!
I am with you my brother! They have no right to risk our health and our lives by not being vaccinated! Vaccinations ensure there will be no new outbreaks!
These are the same fools that don't get their Flu shots and then spread the Flu to everyone!
They are no better than animals, they do not deserve to be treated with human dignity, they have foregone any of their rights to freedom, liberty, or self-determination.The average vaccine takes 20 years to fully develop. Death and serious side effects are being covered up between the big pharma, political and big business huge profit. About One third of small businesses have gone under. Covid is not in the top ten ways to die.
I trust myself most being an biological being first and an animal too.If only it was self-determination that we were talking about. If this virus was not transmissible, then your sarcasm might be valid. The issue is that these anti-vaxxers are putting others in danger, not just themselves. That is far from self-determination. Your freedom and liberty has limitations when they put others in mortal peril, and many laws exist as examples.
There are plenty of places that require vaccinations to enter, such as public schools. That you feel this is a new mandate or some draconian measure ignores the history of vaccines dating back to the 1850's.
I just find it interesting that the same group that claims to be for America and the most patriotic are doing the most to cause the death of Americans and hurt the economic recovery of the country. I don't find that patriotic, I find it simply selfish.There was nothing sarcastic about that comment, as your response proves, it is exactly what you believe and want to see done.
You have many that are like-minded, it is no different then the mindset that saw the Jews as lesser beings that should be round up and placed in the Ghetto of Warsaw or in 'Worker Camps'.
Same mindset, same belief that you have the superior knowledge and that what you believe is the truth, the only truth worth considering, and must be forced upon others because they are the threat.Well, we know what camp you reside in. Another far-far-right person comparing taking a life saving vaccine to the holocaust. Did you learn nothing from Marjorie Taylor Greene trying the same horrific tactic?
If wanting to help save lives is like the Holocaust to you, you are beyond reasoning with any longer.
"That you feel this is a new mandate or some draconian measure ignores the history of vaccines dating back to the 1850's."
It also ignores the results of vaccines as many deadly diseases are virtually wiped from the face of America.
Valeant: I agree with the article completely. Oh well, there goes their gene pool. It's natures way of taking care of those who are not willing to adapt to change. The anti-vaxxers have great regret and remorse when they enter the hospital half dead.
Fear can be a great motivator. Once enough of them see their friends and family suffering and dying because they didn't get vaccinated, I'm hopeful they will come around and have a "come to Jesus moment."
The problem in this country is the news. Both sides are preaching to their choirs. Nobody is learning anything new. It's all about bias confirmation and cognitive dissonance that makes both sides think they are doing the right thing.
When in fact only one side is, the other side is being fed dangerous misinformation by Carlson, Ingraham, and Hannity, all for higher ratings and megabucks for them and Rupert Murdoch and Company.
Right now the GOP congress, with Trump as their cheerleader is concerned about one thing only and that is getting re-elected in the mid-terms. So they are playing to their anti-vaxxer base. They are not concerned about the danger they are bringing to this country with their anti-vaxxer mantras and Trump rallies spreading the virus."Right now the GOP congress, with Trump as their cheerleader is concerned about one thing only and that is getting re-elected in the mid-terms."
Comically, with the Democrat congress the only thing that matters is keeping Trump, and his followers, out of politics.
It is sad and pitiful that our "leadership" has degenerated to this point, but it certainly has. The people, and their health and even lives, are strictly secondary to both sides of the political spectrum. They are but pawns in the power struggle.
I don't know Mike, Kathryn, Wilderness, but "every poll says the same thing".
They do. And I think they are reasonably accurate.
But what "every poll" does NOT ask is "do you wish America to remain in the COVID pandemic"....with the answer from most Republicans being "yes".Republicans are not the ones working against/ trying to destroy America.
I don't know of anyone who believes that COVID is a hoax, but they sure believe it is being used against us, for a purpose.
I must agree on the masks....nasty little things!
There are many unknowns about the rushed through {for the sake of the elderly and sickly} vaccine and its long term effects on the young and the healthy. So the jury is still out on this one.
Point being, I can go along with "reasonably accurate", wilderness.
As for:
"But what "every poll" does NOT ask is "do you wish America to remain in the COVID pandemic"....with the answer from most Republicans being "yes".
Not a single American (with a brain and some sense) wishes us to remain in the COVID pandemic and at the same time, most know that it will never end (in some capacity) even if...they give in, to every dictate.Like the comment that Republicans wish the COVID pandemic to continue, the idea that Democrats are working to destroy America has no basis in reality.
It is true that, in my opinion, many liberal goals and philosophies will do great damage to our country. It is true beyond a shadow of a doubt that many would change what America is - that is the goal, after all.
But no Democrat consciously sets out to "destroy America" or even "work against America" (perhaps excluding the BLM rioters such as those at CHAZ in Seattle or others bent on destruction, not building).Then what is the effect of not wearing a mask during the pandemic and not taking the vaccine now? And why do Republicans significantly outnumber Democrats in their unwillingness to wear a mask and their unwillingness to get vaccinated?
https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandem … vaccinated
I personally know a couple of people who refuse to get vaccinated. Both are white Democrats. They are just as responsible for the continued spread of COVID.
If everyone got vaccinated, there would be no variants since it can't spread well enough among vaccinated people. Yet, people don't want to get vaccinated.You need to be asking those that don't wear masks and don't get vaccinated, but I suspect that the answer you would get is "Nothing". "Neither action had any effect on the fake COVID pandemic".
And I would guess that the reason Republicans outnumber Democrats is because Republicans are much more concerned about personal freedom, much more willing to take responsibility for themselves rather than simply submit to the nanny state, and don't trust govt. committes (or govt paid scientists) to tell them the truth.
LOL I know two families that aren't vaccinated - both are Republicans and neither believes the numbers of people sick.
You and I agree on the pandemic almost right down the line. The only real difference is that I'm pretty pleased with the response by govt. (not so much the people) and you may not have been. But that agreement has nothing to do with the motives of people refusing the vaccine or masks. IMO, neither are trying to spread disease - that is the last thing any sane person would want. They just disagree that their actions will do that.
What are Democrats working toward then?
What did Obama mean by fundamentally transforming the U.S. of A?
I've never heard a good explanation.
What DID they (the Left) have in the works, but for the interruption, better known as Trump?
Now they have a pitiful man in office, who doesn't seem to know what is going on, even when he manages to find his notes; why him, why Joe Biden?
What IS their agenda, if it's not to tear down this Country in order to start anew?Easy answer. Because Trump was so awful.
abwilliams; The flu never ends, but most people get flu shots each year, that's because it mutates and the vaccine has to change along with it.
The same thing can be said about COVID, it may never end, but that is all the more reason to get the vaccine and if it mutates beyond Delta then we have to get whatever it takes to live with it. It is survival of the fittest. Nature has it way of selecting those who are most fit to adapt to change.I've never gotten a flu shot, that is not to say that I never would, but, so far, I haven't had the flu. I am not on any meds, I am a very healthy person. As for COVID and the shots and the mandates...if you want to continue {beyond the initial shot(s)} with new, seemingly indefinite mask mandates and what looks to be turning into quarterly booster shots, taken every year indefinitely (good grief, somebody is and will forever be profiting) BUT, even so, with all of these measures...according to this current Admins. and Fauci and the CDC....there's no guarantee you won't still get COVID...but, whatever works best for you, personally, is what you should probably do.
abwilliams. It's not about you or me. It's about us. Therein lies the difference. We are all in this together, whether you believe it or not. It's not about my freedom or your freedom. It's about our freedom.
There are two Americas though depending on which news you subscribe to. One side presents your individual freedom to choose whether you wear a mask and get the shot. The other side shows unvaccinated people entering the hospital with severe illness' from the virus, some of which are dying. They are full of profound regret that they and their families were never vaccinated.
https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/ … riant.htmlSame thing Ab
Only once took the flu shot and caught the flu. In Canada I have 30times greater chance of dieing from the flu in my lifetime, than of death by covid.
After that, never took the flu shot and never got the flu. Most everyone who took the flu shot, got the flu.
Same thing with covid vaccines as they have doubled the speed of covid deaths and many self proclaim experts like Kill Gates and Faucism says it will get, much worst as they design it to come true.
No high profits in keeping people healthy.
Gates tells investor, lets get 20times our profit on vaccines."In Canada I have 30times greater chance of dieing from the flu in my lifetime, than of death by covid."
Again such a statement would be all the better for a rigorous study on COVID deaths over a lifetime, given no vaccine. So far the numbers indicate a MUCH better chance of dying by COVID...unless you compare a one year death toll to one of 80 years.
96% of all deaths from COVID have been from ...
unhealthy people.That's absolutely false.
But strangely, I don't disagree that much disease in this country is due to the many bad things people put in their bodies and lack of exercise, smoking; etc.The covid deaths are from 78% obese people. What Else would these covid victims be dying of? The id covid death certificate are only 6% purely covid deaths.
I could get ban for this? Lol, like my last post unvaccinated Club. That was taken off.
Report: More vaccine deaths last week than COVID-19 deaths
The government's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or VAERS, contains voluntary, unverified reports of adverse events following immunization with U.S.-licensed vaccines.
On Monday, the Washington Post reported the FDA is preparing to announce a new warning for the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine because it has been linked to a serious but rare side effect called Guillain-Barré syndrome.
https://www.wnd.com/2021/07/4930349/I think the big question is whether those who are unvaccinated should be treated in hospitals. Maybe they should be restricted to home care.
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"treated with drugs that have about the same history as far as being new"
What drugs are you referring to? Could you be more specific?
Exactly Mike. This is the last thing Parents or anyone else should be worrying about. It has already taken much more than we should have ever allowed. I hope that doesn't need any further explanation!
There is no US, without freedom!
I don't care to hear any longer what we all must do, I want someone {China} and every other person who knew or was involved {Fauci} in what was(is) going on in that evil Wuhan Lab, to pay!!!!
This Country, the world, has paid enough!
My Mom died in a hospital, alone in I.C.U. the majority of the time, not because she wasn't loved..but because of this damned virus! She didn't have it, none of us had COVID, it mattered not, (the mini physicals we had with each visit to make sure we didn't) but because of the hysteria over COVID, it didn't matter that we were masked and cleared! Her life didn't matter. She could only have 1 visitor per day for a small window of time. We couldn't go in together for moral support. Her sisters, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, church family, lifelong friends, neighbors, never got to see her again, never got to say goodbye (she went in for a fall) we thought she would just be in for one night initially.I extend my condolences to you for the loss of your mom under such circumstances.
my story too.
Only, none of us got to see her while she was in the physical rehabilitation center for the last month of her life.
"No family members ever came." Did she understand?
Augh.We are all overrun with pestilence in this current world, there are probably as many variants to the COVID-19 as there are letters in the alphabet. I afraid that the need to mask and watch your distance will be the new normal, regardless of how difficult that is to accept.
I'm sorry Kathryn, so tough!
No, I'm afraid they did not understand!
.....and on top of all of this, my middle son almost died last weekend after (1) shot of the Moderna vaccine. (which he never wanted to start with, but had to have in order to get into Canada)
You need to take your argument somewhere else, I'm spent!He had the shot on a Thurs., flew to South Fl the next day and after leaving a restaurant, became disoriented, sweating profusely, tightness in his chest and a stiff neck (he's a 35 year old health nut and seriously thought he was having a heart attack) his girlfriend took him to the E.R. which was close by (thank God)! His heart rate was in the 40's at first and kept dropping, into the 30's, before they got him stabilized. This was two weekends ago and he still isn't feeling back to 100%.
I keep thinking what IF he had been alone or had been driving when he had this (reaction) is what they called it. He had (1) dose of the Moderna vaccine.Yes, I knew a guy ... in his forties. A pool lifeguard, loved by all. He died (recently) from a heart attack while driving his car. Don't know much more, but that could have been yours ... anyone's son.
I am vaccinated, I am a Republican, and I believe you are wrong.
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