Did Trump Really Try To Implement a Coup?
Even respected GOP pollster believes many mainstream Republicans, also known as RINO's now, are looking to move on from Trump.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-pollster … 35300.html
'The media are going to have to come up with a new name for Trump rallies. Maybe call them lie-a-thons. The real nemesis at these events isn’t “radical left Democrats.” What the former president really takes on is truth. The poor thing took a beating again in Selma on Saturday.'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nc-rally-sho … 00591.html""We're driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic," Roy texted Meadows on January 1." - That was staunch Trump supporter Rep Chip Roy. Staunch Trump supporter Sen Mike Lee wrote similar missives prior to the coup attempt. Even these misguided fools understood the danger to America and tried to warn Trump about it.
But, as usual. Trump didn't give a damn about America, only his hurt pride for losing the election.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/15/politics … index.htmlKevin McCarthy blatantly lies to the media and gets busted about what he said about Trump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To-zii1kJmQ&t=305sBut also, McConnell told top advisers, “The Democrats are going to take care of the son of a b---- for us,” after it became clear that Democrats were going to impeach Trump in the House, adding, “if this isn’t impeachable, I don’t know what is.”
McConnell had his chance to rid the Party of Trump and he took the coward's way out by voting to not hold Trump accountable for his coup attempt.
Yeah, and none of the members of the right here even blink an eye about it.
Emanual Macron won the French presidency. Marine La Pen picked up almost 42% of the vote, the largest ever and more evidence of the fascist shift in European politics. It seems that percentage is beginning to represent the extent of far-right acceptance given the same percentage of Americans exhibit that nationalist, isolationist, intolerant view.
Just want to insert a random thought here. I am thinking Mr. Trump will announce his run for 2024 but under his own party. Which really would be wonderful. The Republican Party has become so fractured between its conservative wing and its increasingly extremist radicalized wing. I would think that many Republicans feel lost right now, especially the moderates. They don't really have any representation anymore. If your imagination isn't captured by the culture wars it seems like you don't really have a place in the Republican party anymore. Also McCarthy's lie puts GOP hypocrisy on Mr. Trump on full display. How can the party remain united?
The only party of any significance that I can remember from my history lessons which imploded as bad as today's Trump Republican Party is the Federalist Party. They became so extreme everybody started supporting (or belonging to) the Republican-Democratic-Jeffersonian Party (the name depends on the year you are looking at, but the platforms were the same.)
Let's this abomination of a political party meets a similar fate.
Republicans are continuing to campaign on debunked claims that the 2020 was rigged and stolen. The big lie festers..
This from Trump Backed David Perdue in Georgia:
"The election in 2020 was rigged and stolen," Perdue said during a debate sponsored by Atlanta's WSB-TV. "All the madness we see today ... all that started right here in Georgia when our governor caved and allowed out radical Democrats to steal our elections.”
I'm just continually shocked that people buy into these lies. Politics has created a reality gap. Where does this type of power lead?
https://wgxa.tv/news/local/georgias-kem … -in-debateIt could lead to a weep in November, and a Republican winning in 2024. Americans are free to make their vote speak for them.
And that is the kind of America you wish to live in - one where the Republicans can only win on a bed of obvious lies. Very Sad indeed.
That would be your view. I disagree. I am hopeful to elect someone that represents my values and has an agenda I can respect. Someone to fix the problems that are not being addressed by this administration.
And yes I am on board with the idea that Americans are free to make their vote speak for them.
It would seem you would be too.
"Politics has created a reality gap."
It surely has! Consider the number of people that think Trump colluded with Putin to throw his election. How many people think that "March peacefully and talk to legislators" meant "violently overthrow the government"? How many think that a riot, however small and short-lived, is an "insurrection"? How many people think that a common hunting rifle is a "military grade weapon, used by the military to assault fortified positions"?
People believe what their bias and fears tell them to."It surely has! Consider the number of people that think Trump colluded with Putin to throw his election. " - Why do you keep dragging out that old FALSE narrative. Does that speak to your degree of delusion??
I believe the polls show very few people (maybe those are the ones you are referring to) actually believe that Trump, PERSONALLY, colluded with Putin. What believe believe to be true (as does Muller, just not beyond a reasonable doubt) is that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. There is beaucoup evidence of that"Why do you keep dragging out that old FALSE narrative. Does that speak to your degree of delusion??"
No, but it might speak to your own if you continue to deny that that was the original reason for the investigation into Russia's intervention.The Muller investigation is being undermined by the Durham investigation. He is just starting to produce problems for the DNC, FBI, CIA, DOJ, and Hillary Clinton. The Russia BS was a witch hunt nothing more but a scam, and well on its way to being laid out for all Americans to see.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/us/p … trump.html "Special Counsel John Durham releases damning text message 'proving' Clinton lawyer Michael Sussman lied to FBI when he said he wasn't working for DNC: 'I’m coming on my own - not on behalf of a client or company'
Sussman was charged with lying to the FBI about his links to Clinton and DNC
He allegedly claimed to be acting on his own when presenting purported links between Donald Trump and a Russian bank to the FBI's counsel
A Monday court filing shows Durham's prosecutors revealing a text message in which they claim Sussman 'conveyed the same lie in writing'
It also claims Sussman 'exploited' his access to sensitive data to get Trump dirt "
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … d-FBI.html
I am sick of you stating there was proof of Trump colluding
with Russia. There was not one bit of evidence in the Mueller investigation. He claimed he found no evidence of collusion. Your pushing mistruths.
https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanew … stigation/
https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanew … ion%20open
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/24/70631819 … ion-report
I see Trump has finally been convicted of something, albeit not what America is waiting for yet. He was found guilty of Civil Contempt for not complying with the NY AG's request for documents. The judge imposed a $10,000 per DAY fine until Trump complies. Of course, Trump is trying a futile appeal.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/25/politics … index.htmlIt is so sad that we have Senators like Rand Paul who aides and abets our enemy with statements like this. He needs to be recalled.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-colu … -and-bidenhttps://youtu.be/Po6hzTiv6Ks
Rand Paul basically saying there are no justifications for the invasion, "but I'm gonna try and justify it anyway".
The Senator from Kentucky is now working for Vladimir Putin" -Senator John McCain, 2017
Using Rand's logic it's now OK to return US land back to the indigenous peoole who were here first.?
Mexico to take back Texas?
Can we expect a Russian invasion of Alaska at some point?That is the link to -- Is Larry Summers Really Right About Inflation and Biden?
Oops. sorry. Try this
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/26/politics … index.html
This is the SCARIEST opinion I have ever read. If true, America as we know it will no longer exist. A dictatorship will replace our democracy.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/opinions … index.htmlI think most of those things are obvious to anyone with a functioning brain. They are so transparent when it comes to that.
Btw, some ex member of Trump W.H. has a similar theory, mainly about the people they're trying to put in key places and their moves to supress votes.
I believe I read where the NY AG has evidence that Trump does have the documents she is looking for. So, now add perjury to his list of charges.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/29/politics … index.htmlWe now have two people found guilty of insurrection (seditious conspiracy) at the "lol, non-insurrection" on Jan 6. Both pled guilty.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/29/politics … index.htmlThis is very positive. They pleaded to very serious charges conspire to overthrow, put down, or destroy by force the Government of the United States,
It is promising we now know how planned what occurred at the capitol. I am sure their may be more to come.
Another criminal probe of Trump's attempted coup is set to start soon - the Atlanta DA's Special Grand Jury into election fraud. Given who she is investigating, her she and her team most wear bulletproof vests and she has to endure racial threats from Trump supporters.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/02/politics … index.htmlThe COUP continues, but in a new form. Apparently, Conservative have succeeded in diminishing the efficacy of the United States and returning it to the original united States of America. What class women will have in this country will depend on whether the state legislature is Trump Republican or not. In Texas, women are already second class having lost fundamental rights to their own body, while in California they will have the same rights as men.
IAs a Liberal I feel so sorry for those women who will die from illegal abortions. I suspect Conservatives will simply say they deserve to die along with their fetus,
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/02/politics … index.html
Next is same-sex marriage - Gone
Maybe mixed marriages are Conservatives next target
Next is civil rights - Gone
Next is every right Conservatives don't like.
Hopefully, this will now motivate all Americans to kick all Conservatives out of office.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/02/politics … index.html
Do you understand now why I think Trump Republicans are so despicable. human beings?
I think two if not three Justices should be impeached for perjury during their Senate testimonies.One Down and Dozens to Go.
Trump settles on the lawsuit claiming his organization misspent inaugural money.
In announcing the settlement, DC Attorney General Karl Racine said, "After he was elected, one of the first actions Donald Trump took was illegally using his own inauguration to enrich his family. We refused to let that corruption stand. With our lawsuit, we are now clawing back money that Trump's own inaugural committee misused."
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/03/politics … index.htmlInteresting article, I noted Trump's statement and it got me wondering if his concerns were warented.
"In a statement released by the Trump Organization, the former President said the settlement reflects "absolutely no admission of liability or guilt."
"As crime rates are soaring in our Nation's Capital, it is necessary that the Attorney General focus on those issues rather than a further leg of the greatest Witch-Hunt in political history," Trump said. "This was yet another example of weaponizing Law Enforcement against the Republican Party and, in particular, the former President of the United States. So bad for our Country!"
My source --- "At around 11 p.m. on Monday, April 11, 15-year-old Malachi Jackson was shot and killed while going for a jog in Columbia Heights, making him the youngest D.C. homicide victim this year.
There were a reported 226 homicides in Washington D.C. in 2021, the highest count the area has seen in 18 years, when the number last exceeded 200 homicides in 2003.
By April 19, 2021, there were 54 homicides in D.C. – as of April 19 of this year, there have only been 52 homicides. The number of homicides in Washington D.C. has increased each year since 2017.
Total violent crime is on the rise in 2022. By April 19, 2021, all violent crime in Washington D.C. was at 961 cases. By April 19 of this year, violent crime had already surpassed that at 1,230 cases, an almost 28 percent increase.
D.C. also experienced an estimated 3 percent increase in total violent crime from 2020 to 2021, with the MPD reporting 4,117 violent crimes last year. There was an additional increase in assaults with a dangerous weapon, including firearms."
"Homicides increase by 14 percent between 2020-2021
From 2020 to 2021, total violent crime also increased in Washington D.C. 4,117 violent crimes were reported in 2021 as compared to 4,004 in the previous year. The number of assaults committed with a dangerous weapon also went up."
"Violent crime is on track to increase in 2022
Capital News Service compared year-to-date numbers as of April 19, 2021 and April 19, 2022 to analyze changing crime rates and predict what may come. So far, total violent crime has increased by 28 percent from this time last year."
https://cnsmaryland.org/2022/04/19/wash … ent-crime/
It would appear, that Trump does his homework. Although in my opinion his settling this case may just say his campaign funds were used unproperly. Just an opinion... I mean without a trial we will not see the evidence, and he claims he is innocent, and he does not want to occur more cost in fighting the case.There he goes deflecting away from his own illegal activity.
So, by his standards, his crimes should be ignored while others are not.
Besides, everybody says they didn't admit guilt when they settle a losing case, but everybody knows rich innocent people don't settle.Yes, he deflected, and no his crime should not be ignored, It wasn't., but our system allowed him to settle.
It is common when settling this kind of charge that the person does say they hold no guilt.It is common, but it nevertheless has no meaning. He committed illegal actions and is, hopefully, paying the price.
Just like when he ripped all of those suckers off who believed his hype about Trump so-called University. He settled there as well, effectively admitting his fraud.Just curious, but do you view all people/companies that settle a lawsuit rather than go to trial as guilty? Or is it just Trump?
With few exceptions, yes. Those exceptions are when the two sides are have unequal standing. Let's say Trump sues you personally because you said he was a poor president. Would you settle with something you could afford. (He has done similar things many times in the past.) In that case, you would have no choice or face ruin and most likely are innocent.
ECO,
I was not going to go down this path but------
You do realize DC Attorney General Karl Racine had every right to push this case on into a court of law. Much of the time deals are made to settle due to a weak case.
I look poorly on this AG due to bringing forth a case that seemed very much political, and settling it."Much of the time deals are made to settle due to a weak case." - That is so not true on the prosecution side, maybe on the defense side like here, but not the prosecution. When the prosecution brings a case, they are almost certain they will win. They make deals to save time, money, and resources. The Defense deals to prevent a worse outcome.
President Biden just said that the MAGA-crowed is the most extremist group in American history. I almost believe that if it weren't for their like-minded KKK. They are certainly more dangerous than the American Nazi's or American Communists ever thought of being.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/04/politics … index.htmlYes, just another lie from the President. Nothing new there.
(If you were the target of J Edgar and his FBI you might find Trump a minor inconvenience, nothing more)Are you suggesting there is a difference in character or actions between J Edgar and Trump? They seem pretty similar to me - both very corrupt men. There is one difference I will admit. J. Edgar did it for a corrupt philosophy while Trump did it only for himself.
Again you refer to Ammerican citzen as Nazi's. It is remarkable how your opinion of the president's statement could be so different than mine.
It sickened me... For this man to condemn so many Americans due to their support of the MAGA. "Make America Great Again" .
Many of us believe it's time to be considering America first in many respects.
He pandered to a crowd, and tossed red meat, many like this form of sick redirect. Me, as I said it sickened me.
Maybe better realize many Americans do support MAGA, we are sick of watching the destruction of OUR country.
Former defense secretary Mark Esper's book His offering some interesting insights on Mr Trump.
"We could just shoot some Patriot missiles and take out the labs, quietly," Trump suggested, according to the upcoming book "A Sacred Oath," the Times reported. The former President reasoned that Mexico didn't "have control" over its own country and that "no one would know it was us," Esper -- who objected at the time -- recounted, according to the Times.
Earlier this week, Axios reported that Esper's book also details Trump raising the idea of shooting protesters who took to the streets around the White House that summer.
"Can't you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?" Trump asked, according to an excerpt in the book.
This man does not belong near any public office ever again.Could Trump have just been sarcastic in a very hectic moment? Esper does not add enough context. Trump is well known for being very sarcastic, and outspoken. I would be hard-pressed to believe Trump was considering shooting protesters. Funny how so many steps up now after the fact to offer such statements. I think if Esper felt Trump was serious he should have brought this comment up to Congress. Did he?
I would like a bit more context on the situation where this comment was made.The book was vetted at the highest levels of the Pentagon. As part of the clearance process, the book was reviewed in whole or in part by nearly three dozen four-star generals, senior civilians, and some Cabinet members. Some of them had witnessed what Esper witnessed.
Esper said he would have thought Trump was joking but for the fact that he was staring the former president in the face.
Esper was quickly fired. The book will be out may 10th. I'm not sure about him bringing anything to Congress. The statements were not acted upon by Mr Trump so I suppose There was no reason to do so.My first thought was agreement, but my second thought says we are talking about Trump, so who knows. I'm confident he didn't mean it literally, but not confident enough to think it wouldn't have been 'wishful thinking'.
Even so, books like Esper's are written to be hit pieces, so a healthy dose of skepticism might be a good thing.
GAI have come to the conclusion that people with different life experiences see things differently, and this would and should be expected.
I have spent time in New York City, and have many New Yorkers I call friends. Recently one of my NY friends told me "hey your roots look like hell"... I laughed it off, and yeah, had my roots touched up... My experience tells me, that Trump may have been being
sarcastic. Not only sarcastic, but he may have thought it as a funny sentiment... I would have liked to see more context before and after what I consider his inappropriate statements.
I have watched many of his rallies, he has a way of delivering these off-type statements as almost part of a comedy routine. he does get laughs.
As if the people at the rallies understand what he is doing, trying to make them laugh.
He is outspoken and unfiltered, and this kind of demeanor in my view should be kept behind closed doors. But can one really teach an old dog new tricks, without those tricks looking very mechanical?
I could usually read Trump if I could witness the before and after he made these kinds of inappropriate statements.
The Esper revelations were said in private, not on camera. Perhaps Esper added how and why he said "can't we just shoot them in the legs".
I have met so many kinds of people in my lifetime, I consider myself jaded, and able to decipher such remarks, and put them into
perspective.Isn't it amazing how many HIGH RANKING people you have to look at "skeptically".
Sec Def Esper
Barbara Res (executive vice president to Trump)
Stephanie Grisham (communications director)
Michael Cohen (personal fixer and lawyer)
Omarosa Newman (Special Assistant to the President)
John Bolton (National Security Advisor)
Mary Trump (niece and psychologist)
J. R. McGregor (Trump biographer)
Peter Strzoc (FBI - OK, he has an ex to grind)
I know I am forgetting several. Then you have all of these books about Trump, most from well respected authors but all with documented sources:
Rage - Bob Woodward
Landslinde - Michael Wolfe
I Alone Can FIx It - Carol Leonnig
Hoax - Brian Stelter
The Case fir Impeachment - Allan Lichtman
Devil's Bargain - Joshua Green
Hiding in Plain Sight - Sarah Kendzior
Peril - Bob Woodward
Never Enough - Michael D'Antonio
The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump - Dr. Bandy Lee
The Reckoning - Mary Trump
A Very Stable Genius - Philip Rucker and Carol Leonnig
And SO MANY more.
The point of this mountain of books is that everyone tells almost the same story of a very corrupt man, most supported by documents and audio tapes.
Can they all be wrong?Yes, view every one of them with a dose of skepticism. They could be wrong. Every one of 'them', (as in book writers, whistleblowers, self-appointed 'spokesman', etc.), has an agenda.
That doesn't mean their agenda is bad, or that their motives are bad, or that their promoted information is a lie, it simply means they have a reason, (agenda?), for doing what they are doing. The cynics say it's to sell a book or get a little fame, and the proponents say it is truth-telling.
I think it would be foolish not to apply a little skepticism. It is easily removed if not needed, but it can't be applied after the fact.
In hindsight, do you think the statements of those 52(?) Intelligence experts, that proclaimed the laptop to be disinformation, deserved a little skepticism?
GAExcept when it comes to Trump?
"I'm confident he didn't mean it literally." You are, how? Why?
Anyway, the "shoot them" anecdote is not new.
June 2021
The book "Frankly, We Did Win This Election: The Inside Story of How Trump Lost," by Wall Street Journal reporter Michael Bender, reveals new details about how Trump's language became increasingly violent during Oval Office meetings as protests in Seattle and Portland began to receive attention from cable new outlets. The President would highlight videos that showed law enforcement getting physical with protesters and tell his administration he wanted to see more of that behavior, the excerpts show.
"That's how you're supposed to handle these people," Trump told his top law enforcement and military officials, according to Bender. "Crack their skulls!"
Trump also told his team that he wanted the military to go in and "beat the f--k out" of the civil rights protesters, Bender writes.
"Just shoot them," Trump said on multiple occasions inside the Oval Office, according to the excerpts.
When Milley and then-Attorney General William Barr would push back, Trump toned it down, but only slightly, Bender adds.
"Well, shoot them in the leg—or maybe the foot," Trump said. "But be hard on them!"Are you saying that if it involves something against Trump no skepticism is needed?
How do I know he didn't mean those things literally? I don't know, I just don't think he did.
GANo. Im saying your skepticism is usually one-sided. So is your benefit of the doubt, especially when it comes to Trump and co.
e.g.
"How do I know he didn't mean those things literally? I don't know, I just don't think he did."
You're confident.Those around him clearly did. Who knows, maybe Barr, Milley, Esper, Pence, and all of the others are naïve and just got snookered by Trump. NOT.
"They could be wrong. Every one of 'them'," - Regardless of the concrete evidence they provide? I bet the defense would love to have you on a jury, lol.
I agree, "I think it would be foolish not to apply a little skepticism.". But I think it even more foolish to be skeptical just for the sake of it. To me, skepticism on this subject is no longer warranted as the case has been made well beyond a reasonable doubt.
It would seem to me to be skeptical in the face of all the evidence to the contrary is simple partisanship.
What 52 intel experts? Oh, the Right-Wing Post story talking about 50 Former intelligence officers from both parties who signed a letter that said in parts;
“We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, [/b] are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement [/b] — just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case,” the letter, released Monday, states.
I do not see where you got the idea that these people definitively said what you say they said.
I hope if he runs in 2024, he watches what he says. LOL
I very much 100 % agree. However, I just am ready to Make America Great Again --- once again.
You have been saying that from before Biden became president which means you agree with me that Trump made America worse.
Esper made it very clear Trump was not joking.
Really did you read his book? I have only found short blurbs from his book. I do think trump may respond to these accusations.
Yes really, and no I didn't read his book. This is what is reported by the Guardian.
According to Esper, Trump said “no one would know it was us”, because he would simply deny responsibility. Esper said he would have thought Trump was joking, had he not been looking at the president as he said it.
Now, either that is what Esper stated or the Guardian (and several other reports saying the same thing) is lying. Why is it so hard, after five years of watching Trump operate, that you don't believe him capable of such stupidity? Your defense of Trump is admirable, to say the least.I asked if you read Esper's book, or are you just making your opinions from blurbs that hold little to no context?
These accusations are very concerning and could be slanderous. I will not be surprised if Trump sues Esper.
. Again jump right to insulting me --- I never said one way or the other if Esper's statements were true or not true. In fact, why don't you stop spinning like a top, and read my prior comments?
Here are the two comments where I shared my view on this subject. Please note I did not say I did not believe he made these statements.
"SHARLEE01 WROTE:
Could Trump have just been sarcastic in a very hectic moment? Esper does not add enough context. Trump is well known for being very sarcastic, and outspoken. I would be hard-pressed to believe Trump was considering shooting protesters. Funny how so many steps up now after the fact to offer such statements. I think if Esper felt Trump was serious he should have brought this comment up to Congress. Did he?
I would like a bit more context on the situation where this comment was made."
Sharlee -- "I have come to the conclusion that people with different life experiences see things differently, and this would and should be expected.
I have spent time in New York City, and have many New Yorkers I call friends. Recently one of my NY friends told me "hey your roots look like hell"... I laughed it off, and yeah, had my roots touched up... My experience tells me, that Trump may have been being
sarcastic. Not only sarcastic, but he may have thought it as a funny sentiment... I would have liked to see more context before and after what I consider his inappropriate statements.
I have watched many of his rallies, he has a way of delivering these off-type statements as almost part of a comedy routine. he does get laughs.
As if the people at the rallies understand what he is doing, trying to make them laugh.
He is outspoken and unfiltered, and this kind of demeanor in my view should be kept behind closed doors. But can one really teach an old dog new tricks, without those tricks looking very mechanical?
I could usually read Trump if I could witness the before and after he made these kinds of inappropriate statements.
The Esper revelations were said in private, not on camera. Perhaps Esper added how and why he said "can't we just shoot them in the legs".
I have met so many kinds of people in my lifetime, I consider myself jaded, and able to decipher such remarks, and put them into
perspective."
AS YOU SEE -- I did not share whether I believed or did not believe the statements. Just shared I would like more information about the context.
I have shared I do admire Trump's job performance while president, and I have shared many times over, that I did not admire his demeanor.
I have the ability to separate a person's job performance from the way he verbally expresses himself.
I will defend Trump's accomplishments all day long..."I asked if you read Esper's book, or are you just making your opinions from blurbs that hold little to no context?" - I answered NO, I didn't read his book and NO I don't hold an OPINION from blurbs (that may be what you read), instead, I state a FACT with plenty of context. But I do understand if you have to resort to such falsehoods to continue to defend the indefensible. Why don't you just put things to rest and state flat out that ANYTHING that ANYBODY says negative about your CULT leaded Trump is a LIE? It will save you have to create a lot on senseless words.
"I have shared I do admire Trump's job performance while president, " - YES, you keep repeating that delusion.
""I have come to the conclusion that people with different life experiences see things differently, and this would and should be expected." - While that is true regarding SUBJECTIVE things, it is a cop out. WHY? Because it is NOT TRUE for OBJECTIVE things.
Trump and another person see the same volcano blow up at the same time from the same vantage point. Trump says that is wasn't an eruption while the other person says it did erupt. It is reported that Trump stupidly said the erupting volcano didn't erupt. YOU will defend Trump's perception by saying ""I have come to the conclusion that people with different life experiences see things differently, and this would and should be expected."
Shooting Patriot Missiles at Mexican drug labs, stationing 250,000 American troops at the Mexican border, and shooting protesters in the legs are more things Trump defenders love about their unstable, idiot cult leader. BTW, Patriot missiles are used to shoot down incoming missiles.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/06/media/ma … index.htmlBetween them, Trump and Charles Herbste have around 20 women accusing them of sexual assault. But as usual, CNN found that Trump Republican women don't give a damn.
It only takes one allegation to bring down a Democrat, but it doesn't matter the number for Republicans. Disgusting.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/08/politics … index.htmlEsoteric, that is why I have to question the conservative claim of a leftist bias media. It always seem that Republican malfeasance receives just a mere slap on the wrist. Look at who runs it, they are not really desirous of confronting the system and the reality of what it has become. They are more than content to hide behind "both-sides do it ism"
Who knows, this "liberal media" may well have been a creation of the Right?Maybe? What do they call that? A false-flag operation? LOL.
The predicted attack on our democracy and elections by Trump Republicans has begun!!
Hopefully this will be the fate of any other Trump Republican put in charge of overseeing elections. This one was booted out for the second time with the judge saying:
"Clerk Peters' actions compromised Mesa County's voting equipment and election security constituting one of the nation's first insider threats[ where an election official, risked the integrity of the election system in an effort to prove unfounded conspiracy theories," Griswold continued, adding, "Clerk Peters subsequently refused to affirm that she would comply with Colorado election rules and laws as the Mesa County DEO."
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/politics … index.htmlWOW! Trump just can't stop lying, even about Trump Republicans! Kathy Barnette, a black Trump Republican running for Senate in PA just pulled even with Trump's candidate, the TV personality Dr. Oz. in a Fox poll.
Trump took to lying to diminish her conservative bonafides. To sow doubt about her conservative bona fides, Trump circulated one of Barnette's tweets from July 2020 featuring the hashtags #BLM and #DefundThePolice -- two rallying cries deployed by racial justice activists that Republicans seized on during the last election cycle.
Here is the problem. Barnette used those hashtags in a tearful critique of White Liberals supporting Blacks and saying they want to defund the police (which no sane liberal wants to do, btw).
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/12/politics … index.htmlI don't think that Mr. Trump ever envisioned that MAGA would spin off into ultra MAGA. It's becoming its own radical faction of even more extreme views and rhetoric as evidenced by the recent embrace of the Great Replacement Theory talked up by J.D. Vance and the divisive language used by top republican Elise Stefanik calling Democrats "pedo grifters" the far right has taken over the party.
Gosh, this is the first I have heard of the Great Replacement Theory. I did a bit of research. I would think it would be an easy campaign tool for some Republicans, and easy to sell to many that are so dissatisfied with our more or less open borders. I mean the numbers pouring in do makes one wonder why Biden just sits by and does nothing. Nothing but take out title42. While asking Congress for more money to fight COVID his CDC claims we do not need to be vigilant at the borders.
So, now we have a new conspiracy that will be pretty easy to sell. Looking at the numbers that are pouring in plus the lack of the Biden administration doing anything about it, well many could think he is up to no good. Oh, add to it many of us really do think the Democrats are pretty much grifters that will do anything, such as their last biggie Russiagate... Yeah, I could see many buying into the Great Replacement Theory.
If only Biden would do his job, this kind of crap would not float.
To me, it is crazy, and in the end, makes no sense. But to many, it will be totally believable.
Is Fake Fox News part of the Trump coup effort? I think so, do you?
https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/0 … ess-media/How did Mr. Coup-maker do on the 17th?
* North Carolina House: Cawthorn - LOST
* North Carolina House: Hines - WON
* North Carolina Senate: Budd - WON
* Idaho Governor: McGeachin - LOST
* Pennsylvania Senate: Oz - Very slightly ahead
* Pennsylvania Gov: Mastriano - WONThere are still months of primaries yet to be held, so we’ll have to wait and see what Trump’s final track record is before drawing any firm conclusions. But right now, Trump has an impressive 86 percent win rate in incumbent-less primaries. It’s a testament to his continued popularity within the party.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tr … primaries/Based on what I have seen to-date, his choices will do well. I do think Perdue will be one of his failures.
Surprise, surprise, Trump paid his $110,000 fine, although he is still on the hook for some documents the judge wanted before is Contempt of Court charge is settled. (I wonder if he will deduct it from what he owes his lawyers?)
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/20/politics … index.htmlIs there ANYBODY in Trump's circle who CAN'T stay out of trouble?? Now his WH Dr turned politician is being investigated for breaking campaign laws. Sheesh!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/23/politics … index.htmlGlad to see part of Trump's on-going coup failed last night. He was embarrassingly trounced by the wins of Kemp and Raffensperger. They easily beat election deniers who Trump spent millions on trying to promote thereby preventing Trump from overthrowing the election in GA in 2024.
https://www.cnn.com/election/2022
.Good to see Durham's witch-hunt come to its appropriate ending. Sussman is found Not Guilty of lying to the FBI.
Imagine, millions of dollars, three years and only one guilty plea from a low level FBI lawyer. What a waste of time and money, but Biden and Garland made the un-Trump like decision to not play favorites.
Hopefully, Durham will have learned his lesson and close up shop.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/31/politics … index.htmlAs expected, a big nothing burger that the right, including a certain someone at this site, pumped up to be more than it was.
Sounds much like a couple of impeachments, doesn't it. A big nothing burger pumped into something it never was.
That you equate an impeachment to a jury trial is your latest false equivalency.
Actually, it doesn't, does it. For this trail, you had a jury of IMPARTIAL citizens. There was nothing impartial about most of the Republicans who voted.
Bottom line, you offered another false equivalency.
The jury did feel Sussman did not lie. However, the trial did lay out the fact that the FBI found no truth to what Sussemen brought to them. Interesting bit of information on how Russiagate was propagated. nurtured along...
"Baker himself took the stand and testified that the FBI's investigation "did not reveal there was some kind of surreptitious communications channel."
"We concluded there was no substance. We couldn’t confirm it. We could not confirm there was a surreptitious communications channel," Baker said, noting the investigation was "several weeks, maybe a month, maybe a month and a half."
"There was nothing there," he said. "
Wonder where Durham goes from here, if anywhere.If by Russiagate, you mean when Manafort, undeniably, was working with members of Russian Intelligence while acting as Trump's Campaign chair, then you have labelled it correctly. There were ties between Trump's Campaign and Russia. There was collusion that was proven.
Not sure why that has never made you or Wilderness the least bit mad.And Mueller PROVED it. He Proved what we understand as "collusion" in our world. He could not prove, he felt, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the collusion rose to the level of a criminal conspiracy. I suspect, and have said so many times, that if he wasn't looking for criminality and treated it as a civil matter, hands down the Trump campaign would have been found guilty.
"However, the trial did lay out the fact that the FBI found no truth to what Sussman brought to them." - But that wasn't what was on trial. Sussman said repeatedly that this was a TIP, he didn't know the truth of it or not. Instead, he did what any good American should do, turn it over to the FBI for them to figure out. AND, like MOST TIPS they get, it don't turn out to be anything.
True to form Trump is continuing is anti-Democratic, unAmerican lies. This time about the trouncing of HIS candidate Perdue by his nemesis Kemp.
[i]"On Tuesday, former President Donald Trump, who endorsed Perdue, suggested that something was fishy about that race.
"ICYMI: 'Something Stinks In Georgia,' Trump sent in a press release via his Save America PAC."[/]
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/01/politics … index.htmlDamn!
A must watch interview.
Denver Riggleman, former Republican congressman who helped decode texts for the January 6 committee: What he found scared him
https://youtu.be/QpiRWKRn1tEDouble damn! There is no middle ground here. Either Riggleman is just blowing democrat smoke or there are going to be some Republican butts in the ringer.
GAThey deserve to be in that ringer. They used lies, fake electors, and some unconstitutional twisting of the laws to try and steal an election from the American people.
There are multiple people that need to head to jail for those efforts including Navarro, Trump, Meadows, and I'd even lump Cruz in there for joining in on that conspiracy to defraud the US government.
Life is an illusion seems to ring true after viewing/listening to the video. Thanks for sharing!
DOJ has subpoena'ed some of the fake electors. And if you believe Peter Navarro, him as well to come talk about the Green Bay sweep that he admitted to on national television.
Criminal investigations are ramping up.Many in Trump's inner circle though he had the "power and responsibility" to tell the insurrectionists to go home. As one of them said, it "took hours and hours" before Trump reacted. And when he did, it was timid.
Now the Jan 6th committee must decide whether or not to 1) refer Trump to the DOJ for "dereliction of duty" and "obstructing Congress".
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/02/politics … index.html
Glad to see justice slowly happening. Peter Navarro indicted.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/03/politics … -indicted/The way Navarro was arrested, instead of being allowed to turn himself in, must mean he really angered somebody.
GA
Sorry to see that Meadows and Scavino will escape justice for a while longer. but I accept DOJ's decision.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/03/politics … index.htmlWhy is Right-Wing Media afraid to show their viewers the Jan 6 Committee public hearings? THEY WANT TO HIDE THE TRUTH ABOUT THE INSURECTION, that's why! These propaganda sites may come from America but they clearly are not American nor do they hold American values. They belong with their brother sites in Russia and should register as foreign agents.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/05/media/li … index.htmlThis is what is wrong with Trump Republicans.
They are upset they aren't allowed to lie to Congress or the FBI without somebody trying to hold them accountable for it!!
Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert was trying to make the point that the scales of justice are tilted against Republicans these days. He did it in the worst possible way.
"If you're a Republican, you can't even lie to Congress or lie to an FBI agent or they're coming after you," Gohmert said in a Friday interview on NewsMax. "They're going to bury you, they're going to put you in the DC jail and terrorize and torture you and not live up to the Constitution there."
I will not at all be surprised to see one of the Trump Republicans come to one of the Coup-Makers defense.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/politics … index.htmlWell, they charged two more insurgents with seditious conspiracy. Cool!
"The Justice Department on Monday charged the head of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, and four other leaders with seditious conspiracy in the January 6 US Capitol attack, escalating the criminal case against the far-right extremist group."
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/politics … index.htmlIsn't this just peachy. Trump Republicans are telling the world straight out that they are going to lie and lie and Trump in an effort to subvert America.
[/i"We're working very closely with President Trump and his team" on a counter-messaging effort, she said, adding that House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, Rep. Jim Jordan "and really all of the House Republicans will be pushing back in a rapid response fashion."
January 6 hearings could be a real-life summer blockbuster
January 6 hearings could be a real-life summer blockbuster
"You will see us all over the airwaves, we will be setting the record straight," Stefanik promised, [/i]
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/05/opinions … index.htmlWhy does the Republican cult keep embracing crooks? Zinke, in MT, is ahead.
https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/resul … district-1From the Lincoln Project:
'Fox News does not want to show the J6 hearing because they are co-conspirators.'DeVos says she talked 25th Amendment, resigned after Trump crossed ‘line in the sand’ on Jan. 6
Former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos says that the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021 was the final straw for her in standing by former President Trump, confirming that she was open to using the 25th Amendment to remove him from office.
“And then when I saw what was happening on Jan. 6 and didn’t see the president step in and do what he could have done to turn it back or slow it down or really address the situation, it was just obvious to me that I couldn’t continue,” she said. “I was thinking about the kids I was there to represent, and what they are seeing and what they are taking away from this — it was not defensible in any way.”
DeVos also said that she was shocked when Trump turned against then-Vice President Mike Pence for remaining committed to certifying the election results. She said that she spoke with other Cabinet members about the option of invoking the 25th Amendment to remove him, noting that there were “more than a few people” in the White House who considered the move.
“I spoke with the vice president and just let him know I was there to do whatever he wanted and needed me to do or help with, and he made it very clear that he was not going to go in that direction or that path,” DeVos said, confirming earlier reporting that she resigned after it became clear that invoking the 25th Amendment was not on the table.
“I spoke with colleagues. I wanted to get a better understanding of the law itself and see if it was applicable in this case. There were more than a few people who had those conversations internally.”Good for DeVos and the very few that did the same. You know what side of the Constitution the others (like Meadows) stand.
I am watching the Jan 6, 2021 Committee on the insurrection. Are you watching.
It was brought to mind that the Capitol was invaded twice, once in 1814 by foreign enemies and again in 2021 by domestic enemies. The only difference between the two besides time, is the uniform the attackers were wearing. British soldiers had Red Coats while the MAGA soldiers had Red Hats.
Thompson pointed out that what this is all about is founded in the federal oath of office:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."
I missed this where Trump supported the idea of VP Pence being hanged. - The Jan. 6 select committee has heard testimony indicating that then-President Donald Trump — after rioters who swarmed the Capitol began chanting “hang Mike Pence” — expressed support for hanging his vice president, according to three people familiar with the matter.
The White House chief of staff at the time, Mark Meadows, was in the dining room off the Oval Office with Trump at one point during last year’s Capitol attack, the committee has been told. Meadows then left the dining room and informed other people nearby that Trump had signaled a positive view of the prospect of hanging the vice president, the panel heard.
Just watched the 12-minute video, mostly new, and got an absolutely new perspective on the violent attack on the Capitol (the famous Republican "walk-in-the-park").. If anybody here don't think this wasn't an insurrection - you are an enemy of the people.
Interesting to see all of those Republicans telling the truth about Trump's complicity in the insurrection.
Very telling is Gen. Milley's comment that all Mark Meadows (the chief of staff to Trump) cared about was the optics of VP Pence taking charge and calling in the Guard instead of Trump by saying something like "we have to change the narrative to show Trump, not Pence, was in charge."
What was it Liz Cheney said near the end? "“Tonight, I say this to our Republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible: there will come a day when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain,”Here's my list of those the Dept. of Justice will end up looking to indict in the future after Day 1 of hearings:
Trump
Meadows
Eastman
Clark
Flynn
Guiliani
Powell
Ellis
Perry
I imagine Navarro, Gosar and Cruz will get wrapped up in the Green Bay Sweep plans further down the line.I certainly hope so.
I wonder how Wilderness and Sharlee will justify the obvious crimes we saw last night from the testimony of Trump's circle and Ivanka, Officer Edwards, and the videos.
When you see the video of the attack on the Capitol laid out as a timeline rather than snippets from here and there, you get a clear picture of how this organized attack unfolded.
I was never in a firefight while in Vietnam, but now I have an idea of what it would look like.
Liz Cheney said Trump had a seven-part plan. While it may be a meaningless victory, the Trump Republicans can attack it as being inaccurate. I seriously doubt they had "planned" for Trump to sit around and watch his work unfold in front of his eyes.
I can see the other six steps having been pre-planned.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/09/politics … index.htmlTarrio could be vital if he notes a link between the Proud Boys and the White House. If he says they planned the attack without the White House, that could hurt a case. And their doing recon before the speech lays out premeditation.
However, it might have been easier to hold the lines if it was just the Proud Boys and not the entirety of the rally participants that followed to the Capitol, as ordered by Trump.I think I heard Thompson to CNN that they have direct evidence of such communications.
My wife just told me that Trump just threw his daughter under the bus. Not surprising.
There is no question Fake Fox News (or at least Tucker Carlson) are co-conspirators in Trump's attempted Coup and should face legal jeopardy as a result. Here is Tucker Carlson last night.
"When Rep. Bennie Thompson gaveled the hearing to order, Fox News host Tucker Carlson ignored him. Carlson declared that the "ruling class" was giving "yet another lecture about January 6." He called the hearing "propaganda" and reveled in his refusal to air it. "They are lying," he said, "and we are not going to help them do it." -
No, Tucker, YOU are lying. Besides, the "they" you are talking about is Mark Short, Ivanka Trump, Gen Milly, Donald Trump, the video, and officer Edwards among others.
"When Thompson said January 6 was "the culmination of an attempted coup," Carlson asked why the news media cared at all. He barely mentioned Donald Trump, even though the former president's plot to undermine American democracy was the focal point of the hearing. Instead, he talked a lot about Democrats and questioned why other networks were committing "collusion" with the House by televising the hearing. "Because the Democrats and the left are desperate," his guest Jason Whitlock said."
It is Tucker who is desperate.
"When Rep. Liz Cheney revealed many of the committee's findings for the first time, Carlson said everyone knows that America "could face some real problems real soon;" implied that Congress shouldn't be wasting its time on the 1/6 investigation; and called Thompson and Cheney "lunatics."
I think Carlson and Hannity should be banned from TV just like, and for the same reasons, as Russia Today and similar propaganda outlets.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/10/media/fo … index.htmlThe 11 most consequential lines from the hearing.
1. "Donald Trump was at the center of this conspiracy." -- Thompson
2. "The conspiracy to thwart the will of the people is not over." -- Thompson
3. "Mike Pence 'deserves it.'" (to be hung) -- Trump, as relayed by a witness
4. "The attack on our Capitol was not a spontaneous riot." -- Cheney
5. "So there's no there there." -- White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, as relayed by Trump campaign lawyer Alex Cannon - Speaking of the news that the election was legitimate.
6. "I accepted what [Bill Barr] was saying." -- Ivanka Trump
7. "Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and Republican congressmen." -- Trump, as relayed by Cheney
8. "He ultimately knew that his fidelity to the Constitution was his first and foremost oath." -- Pence's chief of staff Marc Short/i]
[i]9. "There is no doubt that President Trump was well aware of the violence as it developed." -- Cheney
10. "They (his staff) knew that President Donald Trump was too dangerous to be left alone." -- Cheney
11. "There will come a day when Donald Trump is gone. But your dishonor will remain." -- Liz Cheney
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/10/politics … index.htmlFrom what you are saying (and it agrees with my own feelings), the purpose of this committee is not to find out what happened; it is to hang Donald Trump, for the decision and conclusion are already made.
This is in line with hiring a media expert (ABC) to tell them how to convince the public of their "findings" and garner support for what they will do. It is line with a massive production effort, in Prime Time, and supported by all three major media sources. It is in line with the speeches of the first two people to sound off.
While some ancillary people may be punished (all Trump followers and a good method of cautioning what will happen to anyone else supporting him) the goal and majority of the thrust is on removing Donald Trump from the political scene, at least at the federal level.
And this time (the fourth effort with this goal) I predict they will succeed. They have left the realm of reason and fact, depending on emotions to do the job - something media is expert at.
It will be interesting to see if they present any testimony or other fact/event that contradicts the central goal of showing a demon at the helm of both country and riot. My bet is "No".Continue to remain in denial that this was an organized coup attempt after Trump was specifically told he lost the election and refused to accept it.
Denial is what Trump's supporters are great at.I think you have the cart before the horse. They investigated what caused Jan 6th. They would "hang" (actually create laws) whoever was responsible.
As it turns out, the evidence clearly points to Donald Trump as being primarily responsible which hopefully will lead to his criminal referral.
Had they not found Trump to be at the center of things, then they would be focusing on that person instead of Trump. That is how investigations work.
That said, there was enough circumstantial evidence pointing to Trump before they even stood up the committee, I am sure they had a pretty good idea that Trump was at least a major player.
Now, you put their findings in quotes, like you don't believe it. Why not - the [b[evidence[/b] is already very clear as to his culpability and there is much more coming.
"It will be interesting to see if they present any testimony or other fact/event that contradicts the central goal of showing a demon at the helm of both country and rio" - Trump and the others close to him that might know have refused to testify or have pleaded the 5th. No surprise there. Even there, they have some "testimony" from them in the form of texts, emails, and twitter. Do you know of any of those that contradicts any of the evidence they do have? I think not.I stand with what I said. If they didn't think they could hang Trump that committee would not likely exist and it certainly would not be the dog and pony media event it is. As a plus we might find out just who was responsible for the lack of security at the Capital, at least if it was not Shumer or Pelosi - those two are off limits.
Nor should we be hearing about an "insurrection" (carried out with a fire extinguisher and a flagpole) or a "coup" (with the same weapons). Use of loaded words does not produce a truth; it produces an emotion. It was a riot, plain and simple, and no different that the hundreds of other riots we've seen lately. The only difference was that it knocked on the door to Congress and scared the rich and powerful into action.
This is no different in goal or detail, as I said, from the other three attempts to remove a political rival.
(If you get the impression that I don't have much use for Congress as a whole, you're right)It is easy to understand your position when one realizes you have no use for our form of government. If you did, you would have understood the significance of the insurrection at the Capitol. But your comments clearly show you think it is no big deal, a walk in the park as it were.
"It was a riot, plain and simple, and no different that the hundreds of other riots we've seen lately. " - Clearly, you have not watched the "dog and pony show", which is designed to make it very clear to the American people what truly led up to that day, what happened that day, and what has happened since that is threatening our form of government.
You, of course, are exhibiting your obtuseness by ignoring the fact whether Trump were involved or not, the second assault in history on our Capitol (which is do understand holds no significance to you) by an army of people determined to keep Trump president, regardless of how they did it HAD TO BE INVESTIGATED.
Only a blind man would figure out that Trump would end up being Conspirator #1.
I will enjoy watching the parade of people in Trump's circle (all Republicans) stitch together how the conspiracy began, expanded, and was executed.
BTW, why do you think a gun is required to make a Coup official?? All that is needed is an attempt to stop Congress from doing their duty.A successful coup requires that Congress be stopped. Only a fool would decide that violence, without weapons, would stop anything.
And stopping the counting of the votes doesn't count in your mind?
Weapons? There were plenty of weapons (including many guns they found) that could and did lead to death and injury - or does this happening to police trying to hold the insurrectionists not count?
As to success - it was clearly successful in that it stopped Congress from operating, if only temporarily - but you already know that. But what Trump attempted to do was [i]permanently overthrow the government by installing himself as dictator.
It is looking more and more like Ginni Thomas, wife of extremely conservative Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, has probably crossed the line and may be found to part of the conspiracy.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/10/politics … index.htmlIt is good to see more Justice being dished out to the criminals who are behind the Big Lie
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/10/politics … index.htmlConsidering the sedition charges, conspiracy charges and obstruction of an official proceeding charges, calling this a riot is simply not accurate. You don't need to look any further than that to make that determination.
But, as always, the right tends to leave out critical information to turn this into a falsehood of what it truly was. In this case, the fact that Congress was right in the middle of certifying the electoral votes from the 2020 election when the Capitol was breached.Oh look, Trump's platform doing the same exact thing he accuses other platforms of doing. Is anyone actually surprised that he's trying to cancel free speech that makes him look bad?
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tru … 46068.html
Time to rename the site: Sycophants OnlyIs anybody REALLY surprised Trump is having "Truth Social Bans Users Who Discuss Trump’s Role in January 6th Insurrection" I am certainly not.
Rupert Murdoch controlled newspaper outlets are taking a stand against Trump. For example, the NY Post writes:
"The New York Post's editorial board struck a somewhat different tone, but urged readers to "unsubscribe from Trump's daily emails begging for money" and "pick your favorite from a new crop of conservatives." Move on from Trump, the editors wrote, and "Let's make America sane again."
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/12/media/ja … index.html
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