All Things Israel and Palestine
Trump wasn't kidding. There really are people who will excuse anything he does. Anything.
There are two tells for me about a person's judgement: smoking and MAGA. These folks have every right to their choice, but I'm keeping a safe distance.NPR reporter left stunned by Dem voters' thoughts on Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsqDduwcI0sI started to watch and then saw it was from the least trusted network and admitted liars Fox News.
Your link got me doing a bit more research on the subject, Gallop just put out some information that correlates with what you presented.
ECONOMY
MAY 6, 2024 Gallup "WASHINGTON, D.C. -- With Americans less optimistic about the state of the U.S. economy than they have been in recent months and concern about inflation persisting, their confidence in President Joe Biden to recommend or do the right thing for the economy is among the lowest Gallup has measured for any president since 2001."
"Forty-six percent of U.S. adults say they have "a great deal" or "a fair amount" of confidence in Trump to do or recommend the right thing for the economy, while fewer say the same of Biden (38%), Powell (39%), and Democratic (38%) and Republican (36%) leaders in Congress.
To a large degree, this reflects partisanship; Democrats are confident in Biden, Powell and Democratic congressional leaders, while Republicans are confident in Trump and Republican congressional leaders. Partisans have little to no confidence in the opposing party’s leaders. While political independents are not overly confident in any of the leaders, they have the most confidence in Trump."
"Gallup has tracked confidence in presidents’ ability to do the right thing for the economy annually since George W. Bush took office in 2001. Bush, Barack Obama and Biden (to a lesser extent) enjoyed majority-level economic confidence ratings at the start of their presidencies, while the public's confidence in Trump never rose above his initial 48% reading. Trump’s current rating is essentially tied with that of his last year in office.
Obama’s confidence ratings were at least 50% each year except for one (42% in 2014). Biden has fared much worse as confidence in his economic management dropped precipitously in 2022 from 57% to 40% amid sharply higher inflation, and it has been below 40% since then. Only Bush earned lower confidence from Americans than Biden has since last year -- by the end of his second term, amid the Great Recession, when just 34% of Americans expressed confidence in his economic abilities."
"Americans' Confidence in President to Do the Right Thing for the U.S. Economy,"
Biden is at 38%
While Trump was at 47% before he left office, and never fell below 42% much of his time in office he remained over 45%.
To check out more, and view charts source https://news.gallup.com/poll/644750/con … y-low.aspxThere is how people FEEL about something and then there are the facts about the same thing. People may FEEL that way about Biden, but they can't point to any facts that supports their feeling.
People usually vote based on their feelings of things.
That is unfortunately true. Our founders had hoped our citizens were virtuous enough to overcome self-interest and use reason to cast their votes. Hasn't turned out that way.
That was one reason why there is an electoral college system and senators were not directly elected by citizens. They were very afraid of something like MAGA developing or the equivalent on the Left.
" People may FEEL that way about Biden, but they can't point to any facts that supports their feeling."
Then they look at what is occurring in our streets, at our border, and best of all they turn their pockets inside out, and find they can't borrow any more to pay bills. They look clearly at the facts, they point at Joe Biden and his poor job record, his weak governing, and his failing cognitive state. In my view, most realize they need a new president to dig them out of their deep holes. For those that don't, I will be kind and leave it there.
You can listen to and believe admitted liars who manipulate the news to support the right-wing cause, I chose not to. Instead, I listen to news that is known not to lie on purpose and generally present a fair and balanced view.
Biden Donors FUNDED Anti Israel Protest, Democrats SCREWED, Deep State Has NO CHOICE But Trump 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6WWaIHdvroHamas accepts Gaza ceasefire proposal from Egypt and Qatar
Peace is at hand again. No, wait. Israel doesn't agree yet, they are sending a "low-level" negotiating team to Qatar to see what it is all about. Why are they dragging their feet?
Well, maybe because there was a bait-and-switch going on here.
You see, Israel and Egypt worked out a framework a little while ago. At first blush, it seemed some version of this is what Hamas was agreeing to. Not so, say the Israeli's, it is nothing like what they agreed to. In fact, it has a red line in it - a permanent ceasefire.
While I don't like Netanyahu and think is no less a terrorist as Hamas, I still support Israel's "no permanent ceasefire" position. To me, that is still self-destructive given Hamas' (not Palestine's) intent to destroy them. Consequently, a temporary ceasefire should be all Hamas gets until they agree to turn over all of their weapons.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/06/middleea … index.htmlIsrael is now entering the last hamas stronghold of Rafah.
https://time.com/6975185/israel-rafah-m … ease-fire/
This will mean the end of hamas.
I believe when this is done, Gaza will have to remain under military occupation for the foreseeable future. I don't see a way around it. This is the only way to guarantee Israel's protection for its citizens.It has to be this way Mike! Hamas MUST be completely eliminated! Indoctrinated children of Gaza will have to be counseled, deprogrammed, loved through it, witnessed to about the love of Jesus Christ. I don't how to fix them, in order for them to go forward with a normal, happy, fulfilled life. Hopefully they can be saved from a life spent in total HATE of the Jewish people!
There is no other way around any of this.Absolutely, it's crucial to halt the activities of Hamas to prevent further unrest.
So long as people like Netanyahu is in charge, Hamas will always have a willing stream of recruits. By his indiscriminate bombing, he has turned at least two generations of Palestinians into permanent enemies.
Try 75 years of Palestinians preparing for just such a day as Oct 7... Try decades of Palestinians teaching their children hate, and to kill Jewish people. Try Palestinians voting in one terrorist group after another to push their vile ideologies.
Elections in Gaza and the West Bank have been few and far between and are certainly not free and fair when they have happened. Gaza hasn't had an election in almost 20 years. And the West Bank hasn't done much better.
Looking back at 2021..
"Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Thursday called off next month's parliamentary elections after challengers from his own party threatened to weaken his hold on power.
Abbas' decision, which came just two days before campaigning was supposed to begin, indefinitely postponed the May 22 vote and apparently a July presidential election as well. The postponement angered Palestinians eager to replace a president who has not held a vote in a decade-and-a-half
In Gaza, Hamas’s tenure since seizing power in 2007 can be characterized in similar terms. In short, they are authoritarians, not democrats, and their underlying motivations for holding elections have nothing to do with restoring the democratic process. There is no Democratic process. The key to a post-war landscape is a Palestinian vote.
"Recent polling from December (2019) shows that Hamas leaders and Abbas are very unpopular, with 61% wanting the latter to resign and only 31% believing he is the best candidate in his party."
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/elec … e-or-ploy/
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/29/99206500 … -electionsI think the palestinian people are responsible for who they choose to govern them.
Yes, palestinian people are responsible for making changes.
So, they either die when hamas goes to war with Israel or they die when they try to overthrow a terrorist organization that governs them. Should they try to overthrow hamas, I'm certain they would get significant support from Israel and others around the world."I think the palestinian people are responsible for who they choose to govern them."
Would it be okay if the governance that you chose in 2006 decided to never let you vote again? But let's delve into the facts a bit more.
Again...
64.2% of Gaza are 25 years old or younger. You are required to be 18 years old to vote, meaning you have to be at least 35 years old to have voted in the previous Gaza election.
Meaning?
GAZA 2006 elections:
-55.5% did NOT vote Hamas
-45.5% of voters for Hamas
-77% voter participation
=35% population voted Hamas
Population was 1.35m so 64% of today's 2.1m, given many were children in 2006, assume only 50% of 45.5%=
=MAX 22.75% OF CURRENT GAZA POPULATION VOTED HAMAS.
These people need to be allowed to vote.
In my opinion, it is a concerning posture to say that a civilian is a legitimate military target because of how they may have voted.
https://www.iemed.org/publication/the-y … -of-hamas/
https://www.indexmundi.com/gaza_strip/d … ofile.htmlThat is all well and good.
I know things about Ukraine because of having relative from there.
They removed a president that was not serving the needs of the people.
It is called the "Revolution of Dignity" in Ukraine.
It happens.
palestinians can do it as well. They just have to have the desire to do it. I think their inaction in trying to remove hamas is an example of their support for them.Overthrowing a government, even in a pseudo-state like Gaza, is much easier said than done. This is doubly true when the government is a violent organization of religious fanatics. I would assume Gazans would prefer not to be governed by Hamas militants, but they can’t simply start up a campaign to get rid of them, not without grave risks to their lives, livelihoods, and families. For one thing, they are too busy struggling to survive from day to day. For another, Hamas cements its hold on power through an outsize role in the Gazan economy: It is the only organization that can reliably pay salaries, it maintains a stranglehold on inflows of foreign aid, and it keeps Gaza dependent on Israel for water and electricity by refusing to build infrastructure . If your ability to feed your family depends on Hamas patronage, even if you’d like to stand up to them, would you risk it?
These people are truly victims. In some sense, if Israel were to destroy Hamas for good in this war (a doubtful proposition), it would be doing the Gazans a favor. However, the Israeli government’s thirst for revenge is not coupled with any plans for what comes after: Who will rebuild Gaza, who will govern it, and how will it avoid falling into an even greater humanitarian catastrophe? It is easy not to think about these questions if your starting point is that the Gazans had it coming.
If the "war " leads to both Hamas and Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition losing popular legitimacy and exiting the scene, it would be a silver lining to a very dark cloud since neither Israelis nor Palestinians deserve the mediocre leadership they’ve been saddled with. But at least the Israelis have some power to change that if they want to. The people of Gaza do not.
Collective blame and collective punishment, after all, should have a special resonance for the Jewish people."but they can’t simply start up a campaign to get rid of them, not without grave risks to their lives, livelihoods, and families."
Sounds like the story behind every citizenry that rose up and removed horrible leaders. This includes Ukraine, The United States, Mexico and many others. This is the cost of freedom.
"Who will rebuild Gaza, who will govern it, and how will it avoid falling into an even greater humanitarian catastrophe?"
That is being discussed.
"Netanyahu presents post-war plan to cabinet, aims for ‘local officials’ to govern Gaza
‘Day after Hamas’ paper sees Egypt cooperation to end smuggling; Arab countries funding reconstruction; no unilateral Palestinian state; no UNRWA; Gaza ‘de-radicalized,’ demilitarized
Notably, the document of principles Netanyahu presented to security cabinet ministers at Thursday night’s meeting does not specifically name the PA or rule out its participation in the post-war governance of Gaza.
Instead, it says that civil affairs in Gaza will be run by “local officials” who have “administrative experience” and who are not tied to “countries or entities that support terrorism.”
The IDF will maintain an indefinite freedom to operate throughout the entire Strip to prevent the resurgence of terror activity, the document says, describing this as an intermediate-term principle.
The plan states that Israel will move forward with its already-in-motion project to establish a security buffer zone on the Palestinian side of the Strip’s border, adding that it will remain in place “as long as there is a security need for it.”
This plan is directly at odds with one of the Biden administration’s own principles for post-war Gaza, which states that there will be no reduction in the enclave’s territory.
The document presented by Netanyahu also offers the most concrete details to date regarding Israel’s plans for the Egyptian-Gaza border, which has been plagued by smuggling both above and below ground. It states that Israel will enforce a “southern closure” on the border to prevent the revival of terror activity.
Also in the intermediate stage, Israel will maintain security control “over the entire area west of Jordan,” from the land, air and sea “to prevent the strengthening of terrorist elements in the [West Bank] and the Gaza Strip and to thwart threats from them towards Israel,” the document states.
Netanyahu’s plan envisions Gaza’s “complete demilitarization… beyond what is required for the needs of maintaining public order.” It adds that Israel will be responsible for realizing this goal for the foreseeable future, potentially leaving the door open for other forces to finish the job down the line.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/presentin … vern-gaza/
So you want to convert the Palestinians to Christianity?
I was discussing children brought up to hate and how they might be turned around. Offering suggestions, but admitting that I don't know how to fix it.
But yes, as a Christian, naturally I want non-believers to accept Christ! Do you have a point?
Israelis outing Netanyahu's torture camps. The whistleblowers "They paint a picture of a facility where doctors sometimes amputated prisoners’ limbs due to injuries sustained from constant handcuffing; of medical procedures sometimes performed by underqualified medics earning it a reputation for being “a paradise for interns”; and where the air is filled with the smell of neglected wounds left to rot."
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleea … index.htmlAmerican doctors say they cannot evacuate Gaza amid Israeli siege
Two American doctors who volunteered to provide medical care in Gaza say they were stuck in the enclave without safe passage Monday following Israel’s seizure of the Rafah border.
Both were scheduled to leave Rafah Monday so another mission could take over the aid work but have since been told there is no longer a safe route to exit the besieged strip after Israeli troops seized control of Gaza’s Rafah border crossing last week. They were both sheltering at the hospital Monday evening as they waited for a way out...there were potentially 20 to 30 more Americans along with them at the European Hospital who were also unable to evacuate.
The Rafah crossing into Egypt has been closed since Israeli troops seized it a week ago. Israel gained full control over the entry and exit of people and goods for the first time since it withdrew soldiers and settlers from Gaza in 2005, though it has long maintained a blockade of the coastal enclave in cooperation with Egypt.
No food has reportedly entered the two main border crossings in southern Gaza for the past week, a region that had been sheltering 1.3 million Palestinians, many of whom have fled since Israel took control of the crossing.
Both doctors say they have seen conditions get worse each day, with little to no supplies left to treat patients, many of whom are children.
“You’re used to seeing patients improve the more you work with them, but here, they just deteriorate,” he said. “You see wounds with broken bones underneath and mangled tissues…the wounds are different and more horrific and severe over here just due to the mechanism of injuries.”
Sabha said the sanitary conditions were abhorrent, with flies, mosquitoes and other insects constantly in the operating room and wound care areas in the intensive care unit.
The U.N. warned of a potential collapse of the flow of aid to Palestinians from the closure of the Rafah crossing from Egypt and the other main crossing into Gaza, and U.N. officials say northern Gaza is experiencing “full-blown famine.”
Stop the genocide!The Israel war on Palestine even flowed over into this years ‘Eurovision Song Contest’ causing much controversy – as summarised in this short video:- https://youtu.be/1WsLMJbbh2o
Background info into Eurovision:
• Eurovision is meant to be apolitical and was launched in 1956 in an attempt to help bring peace in Europe (the ‘make love not war’ principle.) e.g. prior to the 2nd world war European countries had been raging constant wars with each other for over 2 millennia.
• The Eurovision Song Contest is an annual event (across the whole of Europe, and beyond) that’s been held every May since 1956. And these days (using modern technology) the viewing public across Europe (and beyond) vote (by telephone) to select the winner.
• It was Eurovision that shot ABBA to worldwide fame, when ABBA won the 1974 Eurovision.
• Eurovision is a big annual event in Europe in that the viewing figures of Eurovision are larger than the viewing figures of the American Super Bowl.5 Israeli soldiers killed by friendly fire in northern Gaza
The Israeli military said Thursday that five soldiers were killed and seven injured in a friendly fire incident in northern Gaza, amid renewed battles in the area against regrouped Hamas militants.
"An initial investigation into the deaths of five IDF soldiers reveals that IDF tanks, located dozens of meters away, identified a weapon and fired shells at an IDF force nearby," the IDF said in a statement.
"This force had entered the northern part of Gaza and occupied buildings along a logistic route. The tanks fired two shells for unclear reasons, resulting in seven more soldiers being injured, three severely."
Seven months into its war aimed at eliminating Hamas, Israeli forces are again engaged in intense fighting in areas of northern Gaza the IDF said earlier had been cleared, renewing doubts over the government's strategy in the war.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has come under growing pressure from the U.S. to lay out a plan for post-war Gaza, and on Wednesday he faced rare public criticism on the issue from within his own War Cabinet.
In a nationally televised statement, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant challenged Netanyahu over what he said was a refusal to discuss the issue. He said this would lead to Israel being forced to rule over the Palestinian enclave again, which he said he opposed. We must make tough decisions for the future of our country, favoring national priorities above all other possible considerations, even with the possibility of personal or political costs," Gallant said.Do you think there has ever been an armed conflict that didn't have deaths from friendly fire?
Trust me, it has happened many times.Seems to happen a lot with the IDF, don't you think?
Not really. This is urban warfare. This is acknowledged as the most difficult type of fighting. Close quarters, Going from building to building. I'm surprised there hasn't been more.
Israel needs new leadership. Like his mirror image, Trump, Netanyahu has failed his people and his soldiers. (I wonder if he thinks his soldiers are "losers" like Trump does of American soldiers?)
International Criminal Court Prosecutor Requests Warrants for Netanyahu and Hamas Leaders
The International Criminal Court prosecutor, Karim Khan, said Monday that he had requested arrest warrants for the leaders of Hamas and for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel for war crimes and crimes against humanity in relation to the Oct. 7 attack and the war in Gaza.
In a statement, Mr. Khan said he was applying for arrest warrants for Yahya Sinwar, Muhammad Deif and Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas. He also said he was requesting warrants for Mr. Netanyahu and for Israel’s defense minister, Yoav Gallant.
While Mr. Khan’s request must still be approved by judges from the court, the announcement is a blow to the government of Mr. Netanyahu and will likely fuel international criticism of Israel’s strategy in its seven-month campaign against Hamas and the war’s toll on Gaza’s civilian population.
There was no immediate response from the Israeli government or from Hamas. Israel is not a member of the court and does not recognize its jurisdiction in Israel or Gaza. But if warrants are issued, those named could be arrested if they travel to one of the court’s 124 member nations, which include most European countries but not the United States.
The I.C.C. is the world’s only permanent international court with the power to prosecute individuals accused of war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity. It cannot try defendants in absentia, but its warrants can make international travel difficult.
LinkI saw - puts them right up there with Putin - none value innocent lives.
I just noticed that if the Hamas leader or Putin traveled to the US, we wouldn't arrest them.In that article it says "By applying for the arrest warrants against Israeli and Hamas leaders in the same action, Khan’s office risks attracting criticism that it places a terror organization and an elected government on an equivalent footing." - I have to disagree.
Technically, Hamas is elected (in the same fashion that Putin is "elected"). Also, it is not the "Government" that is being sought, but individuals who are responsible for atrocities.
So, no, I do not agree that the the legitimate government is being put on equal footing with the illegitimate government of Gaza. It is two terrorists, Netanyahu and Sinwar who are being put on equal footing.Do you really think this means anything?
Israel, the United States, as well as russia and many other developed countries are not members of the UCC. This is an organization that believes it should have the right to arrest members of the American military for things that happened in Afghanistan.
It has no enforcement ability. It is a joke.It is a joke to try to hold war criminals accountable?
Would you consider Biden a war criminal if we were attacked again, and he (or rather, his proxies) retaliated: chasing those responsible into every viper pit or cave, no stone unturned, no depth too far...whatever
it took, until they were all eliminated?Yes, if he was doing what Netanyahu is doing and using mass starvation of innocent civilians as a weapon of war or the mass rape and murder of innocent civilians as Hamas did. Any reasonable person would, in my opinion.
The difference, of course, is that no American president, with the possible exception of Donald Trump, would do what Netanyahu is doing to the Palestinian people. Not even Abraham Lincoln with his blockade of the South during the Civil War rose to the level of inhumanity that Netanyahu is exhibiting.Best for me to just walk away from all conversations with you...again!
Take care.
France understands that the ICC is going after terrorists and not nations. It stands with the ICC in condemning Netanyahu, Sinwar, and others as criminals in their war against innocent civilians.
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new … index.htmlHot Off the Press:
Ireland, Norway and Spain recognise Palestine as independent state: https://youtu.be/T3KgSAvbDkILeave it to Ireland, Norway and Spain to recognize a terrorist state with a charter that states one of its goals as the elimination of an entire race as well as a nation.
I see this and it makes sense why Hitler was able to rise to power in Europe.
I didn't realize Ireland, Norway and Spain were such such antisemite nations.You forgot France and other nations who don't approve of using mass starvation as a weapon of war.
In any case, if what you said were really true, those nations would be supporting terrorist Putin's war on Ukraine."You forgot France and other nations who don't approve of using mass starvation as a weapon of war."
What are you talking about? Massive amounts of aid go into Gaza daily. The United States recently built a pier for the delivery of aid.
"terrorist Putin's war on Ukraine."
What are you talking about? Putin is not a terrorist, he is the leader of one of the largest and most advanced nations in the world. He has an advanced army and nuclear capabilities.
Seriously?
Interestingly enough it appears there are 143 nation members of the United Nations that recognize Palestine as a state with sovereignty. It is a non member observer state in the United Nations.
International recognition of the State of Palestine from Wikipedia as the source. Yeah, yeah I have heard all the arguments about Wikipedia for a source.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati … _Palestine
They share a list of the nations that recognize them, the date they recognized them, and the diplomatic relations they have with them.How sad.
So many nations acknowledge a terrorist state.
Are you kidding?
Norway has a long history of antisemitism dating back to pre World War II where they had something called the "Jewish Paragraph" where Jews weren't permitted to live or enter Norway.
Spain...are you serious? Their antisemitism goes all the way back to 1066.
Many of Ireland's foundational political figures, including the founders of two of Ireland's three major parties, were noted for their antisemitic speech and behavior.
Yes, they are antisemitic nations.
One person’s ‘terrorist’ is another person’s ‘freedom fighter’: Just over a 100 years ago Britain saw the Irish rebels as terrorists, and executed 15 of them in 1916 – But to the Irish they were ‘freedom fighters’ and through their efforts, and the Irish uprising against British rule, Ireland won its Independence from England.
This short video is a faithful re-creation of true events, of the massacre of innocent Irish people in 2020 by the British during the ‘Irish War of Independence’ from British rule; more than 30 innocent Irish citizens massacred by British troops: https://youtu.be/6-aMjdtVBaI
So yes (like many British people), I do have sympathy with the Palestinians, and support a two-state solution."I do have sympathy with the Palestinians, and support a two-state solution"
What a shame you have sympathy for a terrorist organization.
Do you have any idea what happened in Israel on October 7th?
YOU sympathize with these people?
The terror tunnels, the constant terrorist attacks, etc.
Again, it make sense to me now why Hitler was able to rise to such power in Europe. I think a fine example of a British individual who believed he understood Hitler was a person named Neville Chamberlin. A man with power who was naive and gullible at a dangerous level. He actually believed he had achieved peace with Nazis.
We know how that worked out.
I hope history doesn't repeat itself.I don't have sympathy for a terrorist state. Why? Because Palestine is not a terrorist state, no more of one than the Israeli state is. The fact that you confuse this a people with a terrorist group is sad, but nevertheless misguided.
Having sympathy with the Palestinian peoples, and supporting a two-state solution, should not be confused with “having sympathy for a terrorist organization”
Besides “one man’s ‘terrorist’ is another man’s ‘freedom fighter’, so things are not always as black and white as they may seem!It's a shame to see the rise of antisemitism in Europe.
You'd think they'd learn by now it was a bad thing.
Do you know any of the history of the middle east?
The Palestinians had Gaza. No Jew was permitted within its borders since 2005. They elected a terrorist organization to lead be their government. They knew the vast terror tunnel network was built under schools and hospitals. Being a terrorist is taught to their children in their schools. All they've done for decades is engage in terrorist activities. They have in their charter the destruction of Israel and Jews as a stated goal. In Judea and Samaria (others call it the west bank) they have in their charter that people have killed Jews get financial compensation. The family of a suicide bomber killing Jews will get compensation for life.
A two-state solution will never work with people who are focused on destroying Israel and killing Jews.
This is black and white.As I see it both the Israelis and the Palestinians are guilty of hate. I ask is that a religious thing? Is it a historical thing? Is it a cultural thing? Is it a leadership thing? Or, a combination?
Or, with a leader whose stated purpose is to destroy Palestine and kill Palestinians. Fortunately, most Israelis appear to want to kick Netanyahu out of office (and put him in prison with Trump)
It is a shame to see the rise of antisemitism in Europe, for sure. There, it coincides with the rise in conservativism and the same mindset that led to the election of Hitler in the 1930s.
In America, we have the same right-wing attempting to destroy our democracy, but in the case of Jews, there is a small set of so-called "progressives" who have joined their cause."stated purpose is to destroy Palestine and kill Palestinians"
Yeah...no. There is no such thing as Palestine. So I doubt ever Netanyahu said any such thing.
"the rise in conservativism and the same mindset that led to the election of Hitler in the 1930s."
Wrong!Seems to me you are being inconsistent with your definitions. If Palestine doesn't exist, why do you claim that something that doesn't exist are terrorists?
I can see no daylight between the people who supported Hitler in the 1930s and those who support Trump or Putin or the nationalist leaders in Europe in the 2000s.Sigh!
There is no palestinian nation/state as there has NEVER been a palestinian nation/state. There never has been such a nation as palestine.
These are facts.Then why do you keep saying Palestine is a terrorist state if a Palestine state doesn't exist? Makes no sense.
Are you saying palestine does exist?
I'd like to see you explain that one.Again, you dodged the question. Is Palestine a state who supports terrorism or is Palestine not a state which you also claim?
Yeah, of course I know the history in the Middle East – It’s on Europe’s doorstep so we can’t fail but notice what’s going on there.
The alternative to a two-state solution is for Israel to continue doing what it’s always done: subjugation of the Palestinians e.g. Israel has no intention of integration, just subjugation. So under such circumstances the supressed will always rebel e.g. as the Irish did to the British over 100 years ago, when Britain had Ireland under its subjugation.
And nothing is every black and white.
I totally agree with Tim’s comment were he said “As I see it both the Israelis and the Palestinians are guilty of hate. I ask is that a religious thing? Is it a historical thing? Is it a cultural thing? Is it a leadership thing? Or, a combination?”"subjugation of the Palestinians"
It's painfully obvious you DO NOT know the history of the middle east.
What a shame.
There is NO similarities between Ireland and the Palestinians. Just one big difference among many. Ireland has been a nation/state since before the bronze age.
There has never been a Palestinian nation/state. There was not even a people called palestinians until the 1960s. How can you have a state when you have no history of being a nation/state?
What IS black and white is this. If the Hamas and the Palestinians put down their weapons and stopped attacking Israel there would be peace in the middle east. IF Israel put down it's weapons, there would be an massive bloodshed followed by the anhelation of Jews and Israel.
THIS is reality.Palestinians don't have weapons to put down; only Hamas does. They aren't the same no matter how much to try to make people believe they are.
You need to re-learn your history:
By your logic of saying “How can you have a state when you have no history of being a nation/state?” then the USA shouldn’t exist because it wasn’t a nation before the ‘war of independence; it was part of the British Empire.
FYI: Palestine and Israel has a long complicated history going back millennia:
In 1517, the Ottoman Empire conquered the region, ruling it until the British conquered it in 1917.
The British Mandate of 1918 was for the creation of Israel and Palestine. The Jewish State was formerly created by the UN in 1948, with the intention of the creation of Palestine, but in 1948 (as soon as the British left) Israel declared ‘independence’ and subjugated the Palestinians.
The Palestinian people existed long before the 1964 date you quote - it’s a long complex history.
Yeah, right – the Palestinians put down their weapons, and Israel goes back to what it’s always done since its creation in 1948 – it continues to subjugate the Palestinian people: That’s no recipe for lasting peace. People who are subjugated (like the Irish were) will rebel."How can you have a state when you have no history of being a nation/state?” then the USA shouldn’t exist because it wasn’t a nation before the ‘war of independence"
No, read carefully, the United States became a nation/state when it declared it's independence from England. It had a government, military, designated geographic area and 13 colonies that were it's own.
So, since 1776, the United States HAS been a nation/state
palestine has NEVER been a nation/state.
"The Palestinian people existed long before the 1964 date you quote - it’s a long complex history."
There was no such people known as palestinians until 1964. There has never been a nation/state of palestine.
"subjugate the Palestinian people"
I'm sure somewhere somebody knows what you're talking about. I certainly don't.So before the War of Independence (1775-83) the USA was NOT a nation/state; so by your logic that Palestine cannot become a nation/state because it has never been one, then as the USA was NOT a nation/state before 1775 it to shouldn’t have become one!
Palestine and the Palestinian people HAVE existed long before 1964; as evidenced in detail by Scott (Esoteric)."the USA was NOT a nation/state before 1775 it to shouldn’t have become one!"
You are extremely confused on this topic.
"Palestine and the Palestinian people HAVE existed long before 1964"
There may have been people there, but they didn't refer to themselves as palestinians until after 1964.Sorry to inform you, we are not the ones who are confused.
On the contrary: You claim that the Palestinians have no right to become a nation because they have never been one - Whereas prior to 1775 the USA had never been a nation, so using your logic, what right did the USA have in becoming a nation after 1775? Or is it one rule for you and anther rule for them?
Sorry, but if you do your homework, Palestinians started calling themselves Palestinians long before 1964: The first recorded record dates back to 1898. Again, where is your logic anyway: Prior to the American War of Independence you were not Americans, and often didn’t even refer to yourselves as Americans – prior to 1775 you were colonists of the British Empire."On the contrary: You claim that the Palestinians have no right to become a nation because they have never been one"
You are confused. I claim the palestinians have never had a nation/state. That is true. Nobody is claiming they have no right to become a nation. I have no idea where you come up with this stuff.
" Palestinians started calling themselves Palestinians long before 1964"
There is no proof to support this claim. I've spoken with palestinians. Prior to 1964 the majority considered themselves Jordanians or palestinian arabs. Emphasis on being arabs. There was a place referred to as Palestine, but the people didn't call themselves palestinians.In your post 2 days ago you wrote:
“There has never been a Palestinian nation/state.…. How can you have a state when you have no history of being a nation/state?”
Your statement can be misconstrued to mean that Palestinians have no right to become a nation because they’ve never been one; but as you’ve stated that “Nobody is claiming they have no right to become a nation”; then surly whether Palestine has been a nation or not seems immaterial?
So Palestinians just popped into existence all at once in 1964, and didn’t exist before? Besides, what does it matter e.g. Americans didn’t call themselves Americans before 1775, so did that make the existence of Americans any less valid after 1775?
I will disagree with one thing - It isn't "Israel" that has no intention of integration ... it is Netanyahu and his right-wing thugs that don't.
From well-sourced Wikipedia
"Some researchers argue that the two-state solution has already been implemented because Jordan, which makes up 78% of the former Mandatory Palestine, was originally created as a state for the Arabs.[84][85][86]
In December 2022, support for a two-state solution was 33% among Palestinians, 34% among Israeli Jews, and 60% among Israeli Arabs. 82% of Israeli Jews and 75% of Palestinians believed that the other side would never accept the existence of their independent state.[87]
At the end of October 2023, the two-state solution had the support of 71.9% of Israeli Arabs and 28.6% of Israeli Jews.[88] In that same month, according to Gallup, just 24% of Palestinians supported a two-state solution, a drop from 59% in 2012.[89]"
Given Netanyahu's extreme anti-Palestinian rhetoric, is it any surprise Palestinians (who don't exist apparently)
Also, I wonder how much those poll results would change IF EACH side thought that the other WOULD support a two-state solution.Yep, you are absolutely correct - it's not the people, its Netanyahu.
Here is the big problem. The palestinians have repeatedly rejected a two-state solution when offered one.
Palestinians have repeatedly rejected a two-state solution
n truth for the Palestinians, their only priority is that there not exist a Jewish state called Israel. So for more than 75 years they have not produced a leader or pollical party that called for coexistence with Israel and promising economic prosperity for the Palestinian people, but rather promising only to eradicate Israel. Therefore instead of declaring an independent state in 1948 which would have comprised almost 75% of the land westward from the Jordan to the Mediterranean , they intended to complete the extermination of the Jews. Yes May 15, 1948 was their “Nakba,“ a disaster for the Arabs who had the chance to declare their state and chose to go to war.
During the next 19 years after their Arab brothers in Jordan had conquered what is now the “West Bank” and Egypt the Gaza Strip and in 1999 when Israel’s prime minister Ehud Olmert offered 95% of the West Bank to Yasser Arafat and in 2005 when Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip, the Palestinians refused to declare their independent state. Why? Because while the State of Israel exists, a declaration of an independent Palestinian state is a recognition that the Jewish state has a right to exist, which is an anathema to Palestinians. So it is obvious that the Palestinians are the ones who have never been interested in any form of a two-state solution.
https://www.thetimes-tribune.com/opinio … 585a2.htmlSo what? That doesn't make a two-state solution wrong. Just because you had two terrorists, Netanyahu and Arafat, don't want to live together has nothing to do with what is right.
As to whether there is a Palestinian state, this is the history you refuse to recognize.
Ancient and Medieval Periods
Ancient History: The region known as Palestine has been inhabited by various peoples and civilizations, including the Canaanites, Philistines, Israelites, and others. It was part of different empires, such as the Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Byzantine, and Ottoman Empires.
Medieval Period: During the medieval period, the area was part of various Islamic caliphates, including the Umayyad, Abbasid, and Fatimid Caliphates. It was later part of the Crusader states, the Ayyubid dynasty, and the Mamluk Sultanate before being incorporated into the Ottoman Empire in the early 16th century.
Ottoman and British Mandate Periods
Ottoman Rule: From the early 16th century until the end of World War I, the region was part of the Ottoman Empire, administered as part of the larger provinces (vilayets) such as the Vilayet of Syria.
British Mandate: After World War I, the League of Nations granted Britain the mandate to govern Palestine. The British Mandate for Palestine (1920-1948) was established, during which time both Jewish and Arab nationalist movements grew.
Mid-20th Century and the Question of Statehood
UN Partition Plan (1947): The United Nations proposed a partition plan that would create separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem under international control. The plan was accepted by the Jewish leadership but rejected by the Arab leadership.
1948 Arab-Israeli War: Following the declaration of the State of Israel in 1948, neighboring Arab states invaded, leading to the first Arab-Israeli war. The war ended with armistice agreements, and the territory proposed for the Arab state was divided among Israel, Jordan (which annexed the West Bank), and Egypt (which administered the Gaza Strip).
Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO): The PLO was founded in 1964 with the goal of creating an independent Palestinian state. It became the recognized representative of the Palestinian people.
Late 20th Century to Present
1967 Six-Day War: Israel captured the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem during the Six-Day War. These territories have been the focus of subsequent peace negotiations.
Palestinian Authority (PA): Established as part of the Oslo Accords (1993-1995), the PA was granted limited self-governance in parts of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Declaration of Independence (1988): The Palestine National Council declared the establishment of the State of Palestine in 1988 (just like America did), which has been recognized by many countries and international organizations. However, this state lacks full control over its territory and does not have full international recognition or sovereignty.
Current Status
International Recognition: As of now, the State of Palestine is recognized by over 130 UN member states and has non-member observer status in the United Nations.
Territorial Control: The Palestinian territories are divided into the West Bank, governed partially by the PA and under Israeli military occupation, and Gaza Strip, governed by Hamas since 2007 and under Israeli blockade.
SO YES, there is a Palestinian state no matter how much you chose to deny it.
BTW - It is Netanyahu who forbids Israelis from entering Gaza.The PLO was founded in 1964 with the goal of creating an independent Palestinian state.
Declaration of Independence (1988): The Palestine National Council declared the establishment of the State of Palestine in 1988 (just like America did), which has been recognized by many countries and international organizations.There has been a two state solution offered many times.
The palestinians/Arabs have rejected it each and every time.
That is a fact.
"Israel’s prime minister Ehud Olmert offered 95% of the West Bank to Yasser Arafat and in 2005 when Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip, the Palestinians refused to declare their independent state. Why? Because while the State of Israel exists, a declaration of an independent Palestinian state is a recognition that the Jewish state has a right to exist, which is an anathema to Palestinians. So it is obvious that the Palestinians are the ones who have never been interested in any form of a two-state solution."You said "many" times but only listed the one we already talked about. What are the others, three or four will do.
Only the once did the Palestinians turn down the offer, and that was a long time ago; cite other examples.
Do your homework. The palestinians have been offered their own state on five different occasions.
"5 times in the past Palestine rejected offer to have its own state."
https://africachinapresscentre.org/2023 … existence/Arthur, I am afraid he got us. I did some fact checking on his unfamiliar source. That said, not all of them count toward his claim that Palestine (which doesn't exist) rejected an Israeli offer.
The first two happened before Israel declared itself a state.
The third one was the Arab League doing the rejecting.
The fourth one we know about
The fifth one, I don't remember, but did apparently happen.
So, of the five, only two were rejected by Palestinian (which doesn't exist) leadership.
BTW, it seem Mike got his "no Palestine" idea from Nick Ottens in a commentary exchange from the attached article. He states in part "People who argue from the “Palestinian side of things” typically seem to think that Israel was somehow planted in the middle of an existing Palestinian State. There never was a Palestinian state. There wasn’t even a Palestinian people before the second half of the twentieth century."
https://atlanticsentinel.com/2009/12/th … -rejected/
As to Nick and Mike's obsession that there in no Palestine, the Jews seem to disagree with them. From the Jewish Virtual Library -
"Mahmoud Abbas is a Palestinian political leader, chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), and President of the Palestinian Authority.
Abbas, also known as Abu Mazen, was born in Safed on March 26, 1935. He left Palestine for Syria as a refugee from the Israeli War of Independence in 1948 and later worked as an elementary teacher."
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/mahmoud-abbas
It does not appear that Abbas is a terrorist in the Arafat-Netanyahu-Hamas form, but he does hold radical ideas like "Though often referred to as a moderate, Abbas has made numerous radical statements, for example, claiming that the Nazis killed "only a few hundred thousand Jews," not six million. On April 30, 2018, he gave a speech declaring the Holocaust was not caused by anti-Semitism but by the “social behavior” of the Jews, including money-lending.""no Palestine" idea from Nick Ottens"
WRONG. There are many, many people who can look at the facts and comprehend there is no palestinian state. Read this article by Dominic Green of the Washington Examiner. It is not an idea promoted or shared by just one person but a view held by thousands of people.
"There never was a Palestinian state. There never was a Palestinian people, either. The Palestinians are a modern invention, summoned into being by Soviet and Arab rejectionists and now sustained by Islamists and Western leftists. The Palestinians are the twisted mirror image of Zionism, the most successful of all postcolonial liberation movements. This is why the only notable Palestinians are modern terrorists and their apologists: Hitler’s chum Haj Amin al Husseini, the Soviet pawns Yasser Arafat and Mahmoud Abbas, various airplane hijackers and suicide bombers, the academic fraudster Edward Said, the loony leftie Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), and now the psychotic criminals who lead Hamas."
The Palestinians deny that Jews have individual rights, too. Under the otherwise lawless Palestinian Authority, selling a house to a Jew is a capital crime. The same law is on the books in another American-funded, Jew-free farce of a state, Jordan. Regardless of the fact that more than a fifth of Israeli citizens are Arab, the leaders of all Palestinian factions insist that no Jews will live in a future Palestinian state. These are your tax dollars at work.
"The Palestinians do, however, want to kill Jews and destroy the Jewish state. They have devoted all their ingenuity to this effort. Under the tutelage of Hamas, the young scholars of Gaza have lately made considerable progress, Palestinian-style: a circular path of self-destruction. Yet again, they have proved that they want to settle their dispute with the Jews by mass murder. Yet again, they deserve to lose."
As is traditional, the Biden administration now wants not just to spare the Palestinians from the consequences of their own depravity but also to reward them. The administration is talking up the “two-state solution” as though subsidizing the creation of yet another Islamist basket case is in the American interest. This is stupid, and it’s bound to fail, but at least it’s consistent.
The most the Palestinians can get now is local autonomy under tight Israeli control in Judea and Samaria and even tighter control in Gaza, perhaps under Israeli-Gulf Arab-Egyptian rule. This is more than the Palestinians deserve but less than they desire, so they will continue their war. The least the United States can do is to stop funding and encouraging the dysfunctional state of the Palestinians. That’s the bad news. The good news is, there will be no Palestinian state."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/maga … ian-state/
IF the palestinians truly wanted their own state, they have had multiple opportunities to have one but have walked away from the negotiating table each and every time.
What have the palestinians an hamas ever done to promote peace with Israel? NOTHING, they've done nothing.
Beat me to it. Netanyahu further isolates innocent Jews from the rest of the world by starving another innocent population in what appears to be his inept pursuit of the total destruction of everything Palestinian. He needs to go and be replaced by a real Israeli leader who actually cares about saving Israel and not his own skin.
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new … index.html
"Protesters clashed with police in Tel Aviv Saturday night, following a day of rallies calling for a ceasefire and the return of hostages. One video showed horse-mounted police and water cannons trying to clear demonstrators."
"At least 10 people, including children, died in northern Gaza on Saturday after a drone strike hit a school they were sheltering in, health workers said. Fighting continues across Gaza, including in areas Israel previously said it controlled."
1 - Drones are precision weapons so the IDF knew exactly what it was doing.
2 - The US had a bad habit in the Vietnam War of clearing an area and then leaving it for the Viet Cong to return. You would have thought the IDF would have learned from our mistakes. Guess not.
3. Instead of spending money on 2,000 pound bombs whose purpose is to terrorize, it would be better spent on hiring mercenaries to flesh out the Israeli army and hold the territory they captured. I suspect they could form a brigade or two of American/Canadian Jews willing to help save Israel from Hamas.
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new … ndex.html.Dozens of people were killed in Rafah late Sunday after an Israeli airstrike on an area where displaced civilians were sheltering in tents and sparked a fire that tore across the camp, local officials said.
Images showed the area engulfed in flames as screaming Palestinians fled for safety, with some video shared on social media showing disturbing images including severely burned corpses and a man holding what appears to be the headless body of a small child.
The strike drew condemnation from world leaders just days after the United Nations' top court ordered Israel to halt its offensive on the southern Gaza city where more than a million had sought refuge.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called an Israeli strike that killed at least 45 Palestinians over the weekend a “tragic mistake” and called for an investigation into the civilian deaths Monday.
The Israeli strike on the Tal al-Sultan neighborhood of Rafah targeted a humanitarian zone filled with tents, where Israel’s military previously instructed displaced Palestinians to shelter from the ongoing war against militant group Hamas, the Gaza Health Ministry said. The Israeli military claimed the strike killed two senior Hamas leaders.
“Despite our utmost efforts not to harm innocent civilians, last night, there was a tragic mistake,” Netanyahu said Monday in an address to Israel’s parliament. “We are investigating the incident and will obtain a conclusion, because this is our policy.”
Stop the genocide!At least Netanyahu himself relented a tiny bit and admitted the attack was a mistake, tragic or otherwise. Before, his underlings did if for him. But in the end, that is as helpful as "our prayers and thoughts" go out to victims of gun violence in America while those same people sit around with the thumbs you know where.
Human Rights Watch Co-Founder Says Israel Is 'Engaged In Genocide' Of Palestinians
Human Rights Watch co-founder Aryeh Neier, a German-born Jewish man who survived the Holocaust, says he has been “persuaded” in recent months that Israel is “engaged in genocide against Palestinians” and that conflating antisemitism with criticism of Israel is ludicrous.
“I thought Israel had a right to retaliate against Hamas, and I thought Israel had a right to try to incapacitate Hamas so that it would never be able to do anything like that again,” Neier told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria about the Israel-Gaza conflict in an extensive interview Sunday.
“I thought Israel had a right to retaliate against Hamas, and I thought Israel had a right to try to incapacitate Hamas so that it would never be able to do anything like that again,” Neier told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria about the Israel-Gaza conflict in an extensive interview Sunday.
“But I was disturbed by some of the actions of Israel, by the use of very large weapons, 2,000-pound bombs, which are utterly inappropriate in a crowded urban area,” he continued, adding that these bombs “can kill somebody two football fields away.”
Neier told Zakaria that “even though Israel went far overboard,” he still wasn’t sure the term “genocide” applied. The 87-year-old human rights icon, who previously led the American Civil Liberties Union, first chronicled his change of mind in the New York Review of Books.
“I am now persuaded that Israel is engaged in genocide against Palestinians in Gaza. What has changed my mind was that over a period of time uh Israel has obstructed the delivery of humanitarian assistance to uh Gaza and those who have been most severely victimized are not the members of Hamas men with guns ordinarily find a way to uh to get food and to get fed but it is young children who are most severely damaged by malnutrition and who will either starve to death or if they survive uh they will be diminished uh for the rest of their lives diminished physically and psychologically by the severe malnutrition they are enduring as children and I thought that severemobstruction of the delivery of humanitarian assistance amounted to genocide."
"At this moment uh there are settlers in the West Bank area who are interrupting trucks taking humanitarian assistance into to Gaza. They are attacking the truck drivers, spilling the contents of trucks carrying humanitarian aid. The Israeli Defense Forces have not interven in order to prevent the settlers from engaging in sabotage of that sort, in delivering humanitarian assistance. The Israeli Defense Forces have aided the settlers. And a very large number of Palestinians in the West Bank have been killed in the past few months, often with the Israel Defense Forces either standing by or directly participating in attacks on Palestinians."
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/0 … israel.cnnNetanyahu won’t agree to hostage release deal unless it polls well for him, Israeli families say they were told
TEL AVIV — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will not agree to end the war in Gaza in exchange for the release of hostages unless opinion polls show it is politically advantageous for him, a top Israeli security official told the families of those held captive, a person in the closed-door meeting and an advocacy group said Friday.
The comments by Netanyahu’s national security adviser Tzachi Hanegbi, first made public by Israel’s Channel 12 broadcaster, sent shock waves through the hostage family community nearly eight months after their loved ones were kidnapped by Hamas during the Oct. 7 attack.
“The Israeli government made a conscious and deliberate decision to sacrifice the hostages,” the Hostage Family Forum said in a statement Friday. “The hostages, and the entire State of Israel, have been taken captive by those who chose political interests over their national and governmental duty.”
Hanegbi met with relatives of the hostages at the Defense Ministry in Tel Aviv on Thursday afternoon. Among the attendees was Gil Dickman, whose 40-year-old cousin, Carmel Gat, is among the 125 hostages still being held in Gaza.
Hanegbi "told us: ‘We understand that the only way to bring all the hostages back is through a deal that will bring an end to the war.’ And as he sees it, the Israeli government is not going to put an end to the war right now,” Dickman told NBC News in an interview Friday.
“He said the only way to make Netanyahu do this is to make him understand that it’s going to be politically good for him, that if he sees polls that say that the Israeli public wants to see the hostages home more than it wants the continuation of the war, then he will make a deal that will bring all the hostages home,” he added. “We were shocked by this.”
In a statement released by the prime minister’s office, Hanegbi said he would not comment publicly on what was said in a closed-door meeting.
Dickman said Hanegbi told the families of the hostages he believed it was possible that the first stage of a deal could be agreed upon, which would see the release of some hostages in exchange for a cease-fire deal lasting several weeks.
But, he said, Hanegbi also warned that once the current offensive in Gaza’s southernmost city of Rafah is completed, Israel would lose the ability to pressure Hamas, and that public attention would shift away from the enclave and the hostages and toward a potential conflict with Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.
“And so I said to [Hanegbi]: ‘That means we’re lost.’ And he replied: Yes, that’s correct,’” Dickman said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/isra … rcna154841Israel rescues four hostages at the cost of, reportedly, 235 dead and 400 injured. Unsaid is how many of those dead and injured were Hamas and how many were innocents. I am suspending judgement on why the market was hit where most of the women and children were killed until more details come out.
The question is, was the market initially targeted to kill civilians or was it necessary to effect the rescue? Or, was it an errant rocket?
One can argue that the Palestinian people in the area certain knew the hostages were there. One can also argue that it was certain Palestinians who gave up the locations.
In any case, this is clearly different than the indiscriminate terror bombing Netanyahu is conducting or the wholesale starvation campaign he is waging against the whole people.
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new … index.htmlI recently watched the footage of the Israeli soldiers rescuing their hostages.
They were very professional. They did this in a densely populated urban area. This is THE most difficult type of fighting for any soldier. Their communication and battlefield leadership was quite impressive.
To survive in this type of environment takes a lot of skill and determination.
They took fire during the entire operation.
Their military and soldiers are obviously well-trained and very experienced.The report I heard said similar things except taking fire. He said that the Israeli forces infiltrated disguised as Palestinians, recovered the hostages, and then came under fire as they tried to exfiltrate.
If your footage shows them coming under fire on the approach, then that is better that my source reading intel messages.
Hamas leader says civilian casualties are NECESSARY SACRIFICES
I am sure he takes that position, but Netanyahu shouldn't. Each operation and strike should be structured to minimize civilian casualties or he is as much of an animal as Sinwar. (an appropriate name, don't you think? Sin War.)
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/middleea … index.htmlIs there hard evidence - not opinion, not political posturing, not exaggeration and not assumptions - that he is NOT trying hard to minimize civilian casualties?
I simply use my eyes, ears, and brain to see the obvious. Sort of like Trump's guilt. We all knew he would be found guilty.
And of course your eyes ears and brain understand all that is going on on the other side of the world.
Somehow I don't think so.Most people are able to do that. Some, apparently, are not.
Got it. You were there, with those soldiers as they rescued 4 hostages and then fought their way back out. It's how you know the conditions and what they are up against - to be alongside them instead of a world away.
Well, it seems Hamas has accepted President Biden's ceasefire plan. I heard this morning that Netanyahu's office sent a message that he is on-board.
Hope it is not a false alarm.This the Headline:
Hamas gambled on the suffering of civilians in Gaza. Netanyahu played right into it
This is the Analysis
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/middleea … index.html
And as a result, most of the world is against Israel and antisemitism got a big boost.Hamas intentionally "sacrificed" his own people for political gain, and the world is stupid enough to swallow it. Doesn't say much for the rest of the world, does it?
The Netanyahu Effect - Israeli settlers attack Palestinian farmers and foreign activists in the West Bank
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/23/world/vi … ldn-digvidNethanyahu tries to remain in power and is ##S kissing the extreme right wing.
There is no excuse for the illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank. And these aggressive Israeli settlers should be prosecuted. Zero tolerance.
But this is a completely different story than the Gaza Strip. As Hamas is a terror organization with the goal to exterminate all Jews between the Sea and the river Jordan...with no problems sacrificing their own people and using them as human shields.Absolutely! Those illegal settlements are the tender for all that is happening today in the rest of Israel and Gaza. Without them, the Hamas would have been a lot less successful in recruiting and carrying out their terrorism.
Well. Hamas was elected in 2006. 18 years ago. Since that time, no opposition was allowed. And the people were day in day out indoctrinated. So you have youngsters who are 18 now and who have been fed the religious craziness of extreme Islam since childhood.
It's true that the illegal settlements are a good excuse for a hatred campaign. And Israel should have been much stricter. But if it was not this excuse it would be another.
And as you look at the news today, you see so many antisemitism fed by old conspiracy theories. (like Jews ruling the banks and media etc.)
The students on universities are completely misguided. And frankly I can't understand how they can support Hamas and at the same time wave with the rainbow flag...
I think Netanyahu has found a way to deflect from his Gaza problems - start a regional war.
First he bombs Lebanon to kill a Hezbollah leader and then attacks in the heart of IRAN to kill a Hamas leader. Now, don't get me wrong, as soon as anyone joins either of those two terrorist organizations, they have signed their own death warrant - and rightly so.
Now, I am not sure how you kill a Hezbollah leader without attacking inside of Lebanon, but maybe they could have tried a more Mission Impossible scenario other than blowing him and others up.
Iran is a different story altogether because the stakes are so much higher (which Bibi may be counting on). If they could have found the guy there, maybe they could have found him somewhere else and take him out there. As it is, Israel best get their Iron Dome ready, because Iran should be knocking at their door soon with missiles.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/ham … index.htmlThis headline is why Israel is losing the respect of the world -
"Israeli minister says it may be ‘moral’ to starve 2 million Gazans, but ‘no one in the world would let us’"
If that is true, then I guess it was "moral" for Hitler or Stalin to starve millions of Jews to.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/06/middleea … index.htmlWant ton know why Biden can't get a peace deal done in Gaza to release the hostages? Here is a headline for you;
"Netanyahu derailed a potential Gaza hostage deal in July, Israeli newspaper reports"
I think it is fair to say those six hostageshttps://www.cnn.com/2024/09/04/middleeast/netanyahu-derailed-hostage-deal-in-july-intl/index.html recently killed are on Netanyahu's head.Israel will go down in the annals of espionage history with their attack on the terrorists Hezbollah. You see, Israel forced Hezbollah to get rid of their Smartphones for communications and move to pagers for secure communications, Israel then managed to pack 3,000 or so of these pagers with explosive. On Monday, they set them off killing nine and injuring thousands of terrorists (and one child who ended up with a terrorists pager).
Now, Hezbollah has no good form of communication.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/leb … index.htmlIt is becoming very clear that Netanyahu does not want the Israeli hostages back because he is doing everything in his power to scuttle any hopes of a ceasefire with Hamas. While what he is doing to Hezbollah is warranted, the timing shows his utter disregard for Israeli lives.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/leb … index.htmlhttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/isra … rcna178617
Arrests, a gag order and a leak that could've harmed hostage talks: Gaza intel scandal sends shockwaves across Israel
Arrests. Classified documents. And suspected leaks that may have harmed efforts to free hostages held by Hamas in order, critics say, to give Benjamin Netanyahu public cover for failing to agree to a cease-fire deal. The Israeli prime minister was engulfed in scandal Monday over a case involving one of his aides that has sent shockwaves across the country.
The firestorm — brought into public view when an Israeli court loosened a gag order Sunday night — has enraged Netanyahu's political opponents and hostage families. Netanyahu has denied any wrongdoing and distanced himself from the case, but critics have alleged that the Israeli leader put hostages' lives and national security at risk to buttress his hardline position in stalled cease-fire talks by leaking Gaza documents to friendly media outlets.
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