Tracking Donald Trump's Promises Kept and Promises Broken
Where is Trump's action on bird flu? There is great concern that the virus has now reached dairy cows. Also concerning...A patient who'd been hospitalized in Louisiana with severe illness from H5N1 bird flu has died...there is obvious concern over whether the bird flu could lead to another pandemic. Interesting that Trump has muzzled the CDC... Hey but let me tell you about the latest tech bro venture... LOOK HERE NOT THERE
Here is a promise that a conservative, Reagan appointed judge has broken for Trump.
He pulls no punches in saying how stupid and dishonest Trump and his lawyers are in trying to end birthright citizenship. He possibly even laid the groundwork for getting the lawyers disbarred for incompetence.
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A federal judge said Thursday that President Donald Trump’s executive order ending birthright citizenship was “blatantly unconstitutional” and that he was issuing a temporary restraining order to block it. ...
“I have been on the bench for over four decades. I can’t remember another case whether the question presented was as clear,” Coughenour said.
“Where were the lawyers” when the decision to sign the executive order was made, the judge asked. He said that it “boggled” his mind that a member of the bar would claim the order was constitutional. ...
Polozola (the plaintiff's attorney) also argued that the Trump administration not only ignored those harms in the filings it has submitted so far in the dispute, but that harm “appears to be the purpose” of the executive order. ... .
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/23/politics … index.htmlIt looks like Trump is determined to Bankrupt America. The very stupid "return to work" policy will be very expensive, regardless of whether it gets the desired effect of getting tens of thousands of gov't workers to quit or whether he unnecessarily drags them back to the office.
In the latter case, there will be huge expenses in creating the office space for those who are working remotely to return to (they don't exist now). In the former case, unless Trump is going to drastically cut critical services to Americans, he will have to contract out the work these now former employees use to do. I know from experience and an analysis I had to do that contractors cost the gov't way more then federal employees do.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/23/business … index.htmlWhat is bothering me about this is that is more about politics than principles. Trump and the right wing buffoons have a vendetta against Federal Employees without any rational reason. You let Elon Musk play with the lives of real people assuming that he knows anything at all about the role he supposedly has or the game that he considers all of this to be. But as the worlds richest man, that makes him and expert in everything? Hardly, I am glad that I am one of the horses that got out of the barn before the barn door closed.
I was a contracting officer and all of this talk of a more efficient private sector replacing federal workers was just a bunch of bunk. Reagan tried this in the 1980s and it failed because the private sector always proved more expensive when costs were comparatively evaluated. It was quietly shelved then, so what has changed? It is a stubborn stick in the craw attitude that has nothing to do with saving tax payers money.
I give the Right Wing in regards to anything, absolutely NOTHING.
Using a meat ax or chain saw indiscriminately is not going to solve the problem, because it is done with total disregard for services needed by the public.It MUST be totally about politics because everybody knows that Trump has no principles - not one.
Clinton-Gore tried it in the mid-1990s, Guess what, they had as much luck as Reagan did, meaning none!
Trump and his voters are now encouraging workplace discrimination - not unexpected.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/23/business … index.htmlyes, it is coming as I have always suspected, Trump, and the Trump agenda is racist at the core. Whether they acknowledge it or not “merit based” has basically meant “white only”. Otherwise, why did President Johnson and 10 successive Presidents saw the provisions in a positive light. I had several labor clauses in my contracts and my tax dollars should not be associated with continued bigotry in the workplace. So, with this initiative who is suggesting that I give Trump a chance?
Now that Trump is will on his way to breaking America as we knew, he has set his sights on breaking the world (save for his dictator friends).
In his first three days, Trump disrupted America. Then he turned to the world
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/24/politics … index.htmlTrump told Iran it is OK to kill John Bolton by removing his security detail. Well, they also have plans to kill Mike Pompeo, his former Secretary of State. So, Trump added this Trump critic to his hit list and revoked Pompeo's security detail.
Have at them Iran.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/23/politics … index.htmlHiding behind the wreckage being caused by Trump, Republicans in North Carolina have put their anti-democratic, anti-American face forward.
[b]Ballots from Helene-damaged areas are among the 65,000 that Republicans want to throw out in North Carolina{/b]
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/24/politics … index.htmlTrump promised you he would break the federal gov't. Aren't you Trump voters so proud of him for keeping his promise to do that?
“I’ll also be signing an executive order to begin the process of fundamentally reforming and overhauling FEMA, or maybe getting rid of FEMA. I think, frankly, FEMA is not good,” Trump said on Friday.
The president said governors may want to use their state to fix problems instead of calling FEMA.
Here is an unusual political demand from, and one that politicizes disaster relief in a state that is reeling from the wildfires.
“I want two things. I want voter ID for the people of California, and they all want it right now - [that is a lie] -. You have no, you don’t have voter ID. People want to have voter identification. You want to have proof of citizenship. Ideally, you have one day voting. But I just want voter ID as a start,” Trump told reporters upon landing in North Carolina.
“And I want the water to be released, and they’re going to get a lot of help from the US,” he added. - SO MUCH FOR STATES RIGHTS, lol.
SEE how well Trump is managing your tax dollars? For the C-17 flight that took off on Thursday from El Paso to Guatemala City holding approximately 80 migrants, the cost would be roughly $252,000. For the same 12-hour flight on a C-130, it would be between $816,000 and $852,000. - That is how much his huge ego is costing the American people.
MORE law breaking by Trump! Federal agents detained multiple people Thursday during what Immigration and Customs Enforcement called “a targeted enforcement operation” in Newark, New Jersey. The agents “raided” a local business and detained “undocumented residents as well as [American] citizens, without producing a warrant” Newark Mayor Ras Baraka said in a statement. CNN has not been able to independently verify details of the mayor’s statements.
Trump now puts Dr. Fauci's life in danger by removing his security detail. This time, he needs protection from MAGA rather than Iran. President Donald Trump has terminated Dr. Anthony Fauci’s security detail that was being provided and paid for by the National Institutes of Health, a source familiar with the situation tells CNN. It was pulled on Thursday night. - CLEARLY, as we saw from his pandemic response, Trump has no respect for anybody's life but his own.The man is such a buffoon. Eliminating the agency altogether would require congressional approval, and would result in more than 20,000 federal employees losing their jobs. But I wonder how Florida, Louisiana and Texas will feel? They've received the bulk of aid... All merely collateral damage to Trump's desire to stick it to a place he doesn't like, such as California... He really is such a small, vengeful and petty man.
But he wants 20,000 people to lose their jobs, that's the point isn't it?
"But he wants 20,000 people to lose their jobs, that's the point isn't it?"
Gotta fund those giveaways for the wealthy somehow.
Trump Inherits Better Southern Border Situation Than He Left Biden...
Data shows a downward trend in illegal crossings compared to the situation Trump left former President Joe Biden.
The data, from U.S. Customs and Border Protection, indicates that in the last two months of 2024, illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border were at their lowest since mid-2020.
Do people not realize this?
During his inauguration address, Trump said he would send troops to the border to "repel the disastrous invasion of our country" while promising to end all illegal entries. Huh? Invasion? Ice detained an American citizen today....
Day late and a dollar short.... It's really wasteful to use huge military planes to fly like 50 migrants back to their country... Stupid really."Do people not realize this? " - Yes they do, but in order to preserve their loyalty to Trump, they ignore it. It is called Cognitive Dissonance and probably gives them headaches.
Trump fires at least 12 independent inspectors general in late-night purge
U.S. President Donald Trump fired 17 independent watchdogs at multiple government agencies on Friday, a person with knowledge of the matter said, eliminating a critical oversight component and clearing the way to replace them with loyalists.
The inspectors general at agencies including the departments of state, defense and transportation were notified by emails from the White House personnel director that they had been terminated immediately, the source said on condition of anonymity.
The dismissals appeared to violate federal law, which requires Congress to receive 30 days’ notice of any intent to fire a Senate-confirmed inspector general.
An inspector general is an independent position that conducts audits and investigations into allegations of waste, fraud and abuse of power.Thanks for the info. The inspector generals will no longer be an independent check on our government. Might as well not have them anymore.
This is another step toward Russian-style authoritarianism. How scary and bad for America. But isn't that what MAGA voted for? How is their vote for Trump any different from when the Nazis voted for Hitler or whatever you call the Russians who voted for Putin.You are right, he promised to be your dictator on Day One and he is keeping that promise.
No inspectors ...no problem. Trump undermining the whole system. A system that was set up to avoid politicization. This is most likely illegal though, breaks a 2022 law that says 30 days notice must be given. This is just a real all out assault on transparency in the federal government.
But isn't that why MAGA elected Trump? To become a opaque dictator?
The creation of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) and its potential overlap with the functions of inspectors general raises questions about cost-saving efforts, but the situation is not clear-cut. While eliminating 12 inspectors general could, in theory, save money by consolidating oversight functions under a single agency like DOGE, the broader impact will depend on how effectively DOGE operates.
If DOGE is able to streamline operations and improve efficiency across multiple government agencies, it could reduce redundancies and cut costs. However, the loss of specialized oversight from multiple agencies might come with significant risks, particularly if DOGE struggles to provide the same depth of scrutiny across various sectors.
I have not seen a statement from the White House or President Trump on this issue, and I hope the firing of these individuals is clarified. I would like to hear the reasoning behind these decisions before I criticize the move. Trump did promise to cut government payrolls, so I anticipated actions like this. If he feels any agency is overstaffed, we will likely see more terminations. I depend on him to keep promises like this one, and I believe it’s important to evaluate the reasoning before jumping to conclusions.Saving money on getting rid of non-political positions that have to do with oversight? These inspectors deal with our whistleblowers among other things. DOGE has no business in these matters. This is clearly Trump grabbing for unchecked power. This kind of purge removes a significant layer of accountability... Go figure
I think I shared my view, Trump did promise to cut government payrolls, so I anticipated actions like this. "I have not seen a statement from the White House or President Trump on this issue, and I hope the firing of these individuals is clarified. I would like to hear the reasoning behind these decisions before I criticize the move. Trump did promise to cut government payrolls, so I anticipated actions like this. If he feels any agency is overstaffed, we will likely see more terminations. I depend on him to keep promises like this one, and I believe it’s important to evaluate the reasoning before jumping to conclusions"
President Trump has made a commitment to reducing government spending. He has indeed promised to cut federal expenditures, The recent dismissal of 12 inspectors general aligns with his goal of streamlining government operations. While you may view this as a significant reduction, I don't have concerns about these 12 employees being let go. I am not concerned here is why---
The number of employees in an Office of Inspector General (OIG) varies depending on the size and scope of the agency it oversees. For example:
Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) OIG: Approximately 1,600 employees dedicated to government oversight, combating fraud, waste, and abuse, and improving the efficiency of HHS programs.
OIG.HHS.GOV
Department of Justice (DOJ) OIG: The Audit Division, the OIG's largest division, consists of about 200 skilled auditors, program analysts, statisticians, and other operational staff.
OIG.JUSTICE.GOV
Department of Homeland Security (DHS) OIG: Employs over 600 staff members.
United States Postal Service (USPS) OIG: Employs more than 1,000 auditors, investigators, and professional support personnel stationed in over 90 offices across the country.
USPSOIG.GOVOh yes very convenient to cut the positions of those who act as a non political check on your own power.... Getting rid of the independent watch dogs and replacing them with loyalists? My God you see nothing wrong with that?
What about all of the promises to the American people and our cost of living? You know the stuff that people voted for, the grocery prices the insurance costs, the energy costs the $2 gas, lower housing prices, lower interest rates....
Yet all he can seem to do is find ways to give himself more power. How long do you think Americans are going to put up with this?It seems like you're making a lot of assumptions about these men, their roles, and their responsibilities, and honestly, I find that a bit strange. After all, we're talking about just 12 individuals out of thousands.
When it comes to the cost of living and Trump's promises about bringing back the economy "quickly," I can only speak for myself. I’m realistic about holding any candidate to every single word they say during a campaign—most of it tends to be hyperbolic. I do believe he's working on reducing inflation and addressing the costs that have surged under Biden. But I understand it’ll take time. As for your egg memes and comments on food costs, I let those roll off. But hey, enjoy.
As for giving Trump power, I made the choice to vote for him, and that’s what I stand by. I offered him the power of the presidency I’m not sure why you expect a different response from me, but I fully support everything that MAGA stands for. Not sure what you mean regarding "how long do I think Americans will put up with this"?
Newsweek- Donald Trump's Approval Rating Breaks Records
"The beginning of President Donald Trump's second term has seen his net approval rating reach a historic high, according to Rasmussen Reports, with the latest Presidential Tracking Poll showing a net approval of +14. This marks a significant milestone for Trump, breaking previous records set during his first term.
The poll, conducted by the conservative-leaning polling company over a two-day average from approximately 829 U.S. likely voters, showed that 54 percent of respondents approve of Trump's job performance, while 40 percent disapprove.
A three-day rolling average of this data is set to be released on January 23, with a five-day rolling average following on January 27, which Rasmussen frequently employs to enhance accuracy through larger sample sizes. The margin of sampling error for the full sample of 1,500 Likely Voters is +/- 2.5 percentage points with a 95 percent level of confidence.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps- … im-2018900
Overall, I’m very satisfied with what I’ve seen so far. He’s wasted no time reversing many of Biden’s executive orders, which was one of my top priorities. He’s already visited two states hit hard by weather disasters, and today, he stopped in Nevada to personally thank the people for their support. This is the kind of president I admire—one we haven’t seen in decades.You clearly don't understand the role of inspector general. I've made no assumptions. It's interesting that your posts about the economy and inflation and how much people just absolutely suffered unbearably over the last few years have disappeared since Trump took office although the economy really hasn't changed.... Like at all. Eggs are $15 a carton and he refuses to talk about the reasons why or any action to lower the unbearable prices... Nothing admirable about that.
Also, they are counting him on creating Deflation, meaning driving us into a major recession or depression. Personally, I would rather have the opposite, but to each their own.
Yes, you shared your view which is to get rid of any oversight of Trump's actions. BRAVO!
Why can't you see that that is a very, very bad thing for a democratic nation?Call me a crazy Trumper if you want, but I’ll proudly ride this MAGA train all the way, waving my flag and shouting, "Let’s bring America back,
It is "Let's Turn America into Russia". That is MAGA's goal and if you are a proud MAGAite, that is your goal to - to end democracy as we know it.
I am going to clarify this. I concur with Trump regarding the illegal issue. I believe that monies shouldn't be going to other countries while some Americans are suffering & need the money more. However, I vehemently disagree w/Trump dismantling of DEI programs & initiatives as there is no such thing on hiring people on pure meritocracy-such is fantastical-the average person has an underlying bias regarding this issue.
So you support using racial qoutas for hiring? I was watching a video this morning on the LA fires and Adam Corolla was mentioning that about 80 percent of the LAX employees are black. (He was talking about LAFD and mentioned that in passing. I do not know if it is true as I have not been there in 40 years.)
LA is about 10 percent black. Therefore, should LAX not be allowed to hire more than 10 percent black employees in order to promote diversity? I think that would be wrong, and I think the vast majority of conservatives would consider using racial diversity quotas in other areas wrong too.
I think you are correct in that there is no pure meritocracy as the people hiring always have bias. Hiring someone that is not qualified just based on race seems wrong to me too.So you agree that Trump has appointed a whole lot of unqualified people to lead his agencies. Thank you.
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Nope, just drawing conclusions from what you write. Maybe I would have been more precises to say "So you agree that it was wrong of Trump to appoint a whole lot of unqualified people to lead his agencies. Thank you"
Making false assumptions and presuming to know what other people are thinking.
And no, I never said anything about unqualified people. That person was the DEI appointee for vice president and is no longer the Democratic candidate for president.
People with brains try to interpret what is written, do you think that shouldn't be allowed? Your agreement seems to suggest such.
Conservatives have always gaslighted the idea that diversity means not qualified. So, can I suppose that the unqualified clowns Trump actually placed in his cabinet are automatically qualified because they are white? So, when it comes to Trump, we are not friends, buddies or pals. Pursuing a diverse workforce does not mean quotas. In America that "always having bias" stand has been crippling for those not in the in group, and we will not revisit that again.
I notice you failed entirely to address that point of Mark's post - was that intentional, knowing it presents you as racist or does it mean something else entirely?
Do you bother to dig deeper? Why are 80% of the hires black, what are the jobs? It presents me as an individual that likes to look for what lies beneath the surface. where is the article to provide more background to what Mark has said?
There was no article. I do not even know if those numbers are true. Adam Carolla was talking on some podcast I saw when I woke up, and was complaining about that comment from the LA firefighter that has been on the news lately. The woman firefighter said that the people who are hit by fires want firefighters that look like them and if women were not able to carry a man out of the fire it is the mans fault, not hers. I agree that is ludicrous. They want people that will put out their fires, no matter what they look like. His comment was that he could care less if 80 percent of the employees at LAX were black, he just cared that he could catch his flight.
He might have been making those numbers up for all I know, but the question is the same: should people lose their jobs if they are doing them fine and they do not fit a racial profile? SHould anyone, no matter the color of the skin, lose his or her job to fit a community profile?
I think you do not like this source but the article has the video of her making her claim that diversity is more important than being able to carry someone out of a fire. https://nypost.com/2025/01/12/us-news/l … he-victim/Very poor example if it cannot be substantiated. Why give it and rightwing argument any credibility at all?
Go back and read my original reply to Ms Williams. I pointed that out in the original comment and just used it as an example.
Do the forum police forbid using someone elses statement to ask a question?
The leftists have been ranting about the unqualified candidates like Tulsi Gabbard, the former Democratic congresswoman, and that former Democratic senator, and that ex-governor. What about those clowns that your leftist icon Biden appointed? If you had a penis but claimed to be a woman that made you qualified to be a Biden appointee.
I am talking about DEI as a racial slur used to define ethnic candidates through the Trump campaign. It IS possible for whites to be incompetent and unqualified, those characteristics do not exclusively lie with ethnic people.
Yes, that is true. It is possible for whites and blacks to be incompetent and unqualified. Does that mean that a woman who is not physically able to carry a victim out of a fire should be promoted in the interest of diversity? I think that is what most conservatives have been pointing out.
Kamala Harris, for example, was probably the least qaulified among the people that Biden could have picked as his vice-president. Biden said that he was going to pick a black woman, not that he was going to pick his candidate based on merit.No, Vance would be the proper name to use there, as is Hegseth of Def Sec and Gabbard for DNI (which has allied intelligence services shaking in their boots).
While I sort of had the same view of Harris initially, she quickly changed my mind. She is QUITE COMPETENT, certainly more so than Trump.
Again no. Biden said he would pick a qualified black women - and he did. So he used merit first, which is how DEI works.Quite competent, which is why she won so many votes in her stunning primary performance in 2020.
Why single her out, why didn't you also insult Michael Bennett, Bill De Blasio, Cory Booker, Steve Bullock, Pete Buttigeig, Julian Castro, John Delaney, Michael Bloomberg, Tom Steyer, Deval Patrick, Andrew Yang, Marianne Williamson, Elizabeth Warren, Eric Swalwell, Joe Sestak, Bernie Sanders, Tim Ryan, Beto O'Rourke, Wayne Messam, Jay Inslee, Tulsi Gabbard (the Republican in Dems clothing), John Hickenlooper, Amy Klobuchar, Kirsten Gillibrand, Mike Gravel.
Could it be you are singling her out because she is female, Black, and Asian?
She was competent and liked enough to qualify for all the debates before she dropped out for money reasons.Why do you care that she was singled out? Could you be making that "singling her out because she is female, Black, and Asian?" comment because you are a racist and have learned to race bait from your CNN handlers?
Take a look in the mirror sometime.Be careful what you say, you can kicked off this forum for name calling, you remember how touchy you were? It’s inappropriate to call anyone racist, so I would step lightly if I were you.
"It’s inappropriate to call anyone racist . . ."
I nearly got whiplash doing a doubletake on that one.
That's rich.
GAThis applies to GA and anyone else on the right wing side of the ledger.
I have never called any forum participants a denigrating name. But I will attack and often times savagely Trumpism and the "new conservatism" so closely tied to it.
Trump has run a campaign of sexism attacking Nikki Haley, a respected civil servant, Insulting her and indirectly, her husband. This DEI stuff is the stuff of pure bigotry. Kamela Harris had far more political experience within government than either Trump or his Vice President. I suppose after all of this, is it not reasonable to think that only rich white guys get a free pass without having to cross that hurdle? They could not debate based on issues and policies, but Trump, as always, goes under the belt. When I look at the list that ESO so kindly provided me, the very worse race baiting cults in America are on the Trump bandwagon, so there can be no room for me. There is no whataboutism here for every slight from the left, there is a hundred from the Right and the "list" is proof positive. I consider the Trumpian movement a racist one, and conservatism in this new age having strong racist and sexist pillars as its support.
Now, you all can say what you like, but as far as I am concerned if the shoe fits, wear it. I will never attack any of you personally, but I will attack your beliefs and ideologies. So, now that we all understand that, no offense is meant.
That is true, it is a good think I have a thick skin.
No, I suspect it is the other way around and the fact that you excluded all those others who failed in the primary. Obviously, you are singling her out.
Dr Mark,
I wonder what she could have done that any SANE person would consider her qualified?
She is a DEI (Didn't Earn It) appointment.
It is disingenuous to equate DEI efforts to affirmative action. It is not the same thing. You really expect me to believe that at the height of discriminatory hiring practices when white men clearly dominated, they did so simply because they were "most qualified"? Oh hell no. For every white man there is an equally or more qualified minority to fill that position...why wouldn't there be?
Do you understand simple statistics? As in when there are multiples of whites for every black then there are also multiples of "most qualified"? Do you understand that when one group lives much closer to poverty that poor education follows that and again there are far more "most qualified" that got the better education?
There are many reasons for what you describe, and not all of them have anything to do with race no matter how hard you insinuate that everything does.LOL, are you actually trying to make an argument that there are just more qualified whites?? So if I'm an employer looking to fill a position and I list my minimum requirements as a master's degree in business, 3 years experience at a major institution, that I'm not able to fill my opening with a minority who perfectly fits my needs? Meets my requirements to a tee? I'm positive that I could.
You do realize that...According to recent data, women currently receive around 58% of college degrees in the United States each year....degrees conferred to minorities has also been on the increase.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltni … raduation/" I'm positive that I could."
Although the location and job requirements certainly play a part, I'm as certain as you are that you could usually find a minority that would fill the job. Not always, though - in my area the racial makeup is 89.8% white and .52% black. You are unlikely to find a black worker with a master's degree in the field you want, but very likely to find a white one.
If you don't understand how arithmetic works I can't help you much.So with your logic, in a city that is predominantly black, I should see most positions held by black folks? And not the other way around? just due to pure arithmetic right?
Just ONE study.
"the pathway from education to corresponding occupational classes does not apply uniformly across different racial and ethnic groups, hindered by factors such as social stratification, labor market discrimination, and job segregation. Conclusion: This study highlights significant racial disparities in occupational classes among individuals with comparable levels of education, underscoring the profound implications for health and wellbeing disparities. "
According to data from McKinsey & Company, African Americans represent only around 7% of the workforce at the managerial level in the US private sector....
How can this be? Particularly in cities that are predominantly African-American such as Atlanta... Where upwards of 30% obtain degrees and advanced degrees.Studies, studies, studies, who has the studies?
ALL studies are flawed in some way. I used to get paid to dissect studies and show their flaws.
The particular study you cited.
"The study recruited and followed a nationally representative
sample of middle-aged and older adults (aged 50–59 years
at baseline)."
It left out those who are younger. They left out the younger generation. That is a major flaw. Demographics change from one generation to the next.
This study is really bad and proves nothing except how a study should not be conducted.
From the peanut gallery . . .
I don't think your analogy is enough to support your claim.
Minimum requirements should be the cost of consideration, not the determinant. Consider: a non-ethnic candidate meets the minimum but also has a ten-year track record of stellar performance. The ethnic candidate meets the minimum but has no notable work accomplishments. Absent a DEI mandate, I say most employers would choose the non-ethnic candidate.
Adding any DEI criteria as a determining factor will discriminate against the non-ethnic candidate. It is the same as Affirmative Action—it puts a thumb on the scales.
GA"Minimum requirements should be the cost of consideration, not the determinant. ".
I have no argument with that. Yes there's a baseline and these types of bonus credentials a candidate brings can and should be considered. I am not advocating for adding racial or minority status as a" bonus point". I don't believe that DEI initiatives ever advocated for such, only a wider net.
White males in this country are going to college in smaller numbers and receiving fewer basic degrees every year versus their female counterparts. The same can be said of their decline in procuring advanced degrees.
Does this mean that the pool of smaller white male graduates should be viewed as lesser qualified? DEI initiatives would make sure to cast a wider net to include that small group of white males for consideration because there really would be no reason to believe that they aren't as qualified as the larger, higher achieving (in terms of degrees granted) female group.
The shoe may soon be on the other foot.We do see DEI differently. Adding any ethnic, biological, or social justice criteria is adding unfair "bonus points." I don't see how it can be considered otherwise. DEI isn't casting a wider net, it's targeting (restricting) the cast.
GABut there is no evidence that such criteria are bonus points? As our pool of white male graduates dwindles, should we not cast a wider net to make sure this little group isn't being overlooked?
How many points, how much weight is given, and how does the idea of a diverse workforce involve hiring unqualified candidates.?
What is best qualified? Can that really be determined objectively. Conservatives are just anxious to put up the virtual “white only” signs rather than face the fact that irrelevant bias has to rooted out of any rational process, what’s in place to ensure that?
"I don't believe that DEI initiatives ever advocated for such, only a wider net."
I think you are right...with the caveat that if you STILL cannot find the ethnic works DEI demands than you need a wider net. And a wider one and a wider one. If necessary you must advertise in every local unemployment office in the country to get that magical number.Many people refer to DEI as standing for "Didn't Earn It"
And why would you automatically believe that anybody besides a white male is less qualified for any position? You do realize that that according to Pew... Today, 47% of US women aged 25 to 34 have a bachelor's degree compared with only 37% of men... Looks like guys are going to need those DEI programs to find them lol...
It also looks like he is uniformed about DEI or maybe it is just a front and he knows very well that being qualified is part of DEI.
And again you seem to show you oppose ending discrimination by keeping the status quo. You also seem to oppose improving the overall work product by moving away from a white male only workforce.
Do I have that right since that is what your words imply.
I agree, minimum requirements are objective and must be met by all applicants.
You folks love to use to superlatives that really do not deal with the reality of the so called DEI quotas.
I would hire the non-ethnic candidate based on greater qualifications over the ethnic candidate and to think that DEI is used to circumvent such common sense evaluation is ludicrous. if basic and minimum requirements are met then we can look at other desirable qualifications, having 10 years work experience compared to someone who does not is a relevant and a determinant factor in the evaluation.
Listening to conservatives talk, it is as if non-ethnic college grads are being passed over by ethnic candidates who did not finish high school…. All because of DEI?
Oh I'd snap you up in a minute if I were in such a position.
No, you are correct and I doubt it was the white candidates that were the most qualified. However, does that mean there should be racial quotas now? To use your own words, oh hell no.
There is not a qualified minority to fill every position held by white men. Why in the world do you think there are, and why do you think those humans should be hired instead of another candidate?You might do a little reading on the affimative action program.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ofccp/faqs/AAFAQsFrom your source...
"Affirmative action is defined by OFCCP regulations as the obligation on the part of the contractor to take action to ensure that applicants are employed, and employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, disability, or status as a protected veteran. See 41 CFR 60-1.4, 60-300.5, and 60-741.5. The regulations state that the affirmative action obligation reaches all terms, conditions, and privileges of employment, including recruitment, promotion, termination, and compensation.
May a contractor set quotas as a way to meet its affirmative action obligations?
No, OFCCP regulations do not permit quotas, preferences, or set asides. They are strictly forbidden.
We have employment discrimination laws in this country. We don't have affirmative action or quotas
“There is not a qualified minority to fill every position held by white men.”
and how do you know this, and is that a reason to exclude them from opportunity because of your sage observations?
go see the movie “Trading Places, so many of you rightwing types might actually learn something.I did see it about 40 years ago. It is a movie, certainly not reality.
Is it a reason to exclude people? No. Is it a reason to fire white employees so that they can be replaced by others? No.
Oh no, here we go yet again. Since humankind is still tribal & inclusive, DEI laws & initiatives must be placed in effect. People at this stage(it is shameful since this is the 21st century) still have a primitive, tribal mind & if left to their own devices, would hire people similar to them. It is because of civil rights, EEOC, & other affirmative action laws that people who were deemed outsiders were hired, promoted, & granted rights. Caucasian men were hired throughout American history not solely based on meritocracy but on connections such as legacy, class, & other factors-many who were woefully less qualified or even unqualified for the positions they held.
We already have laws that require the labor force of a company/location be similar to that of the geographical area. Why do we need DEI then? Particularly as DEI is being used to exclude one race (caucasian) so that the balance is not that of the area but instead benefits one specific race?
Do you support the LAX example given, wherein the environment is 10% black the but work force at LAX is 80% black? This discriminates massively against caucasian (and likely other as well) workers; do you find that kind of racism/discrimination justifiable?We already have laws that require the labor force of a company/location be similar to that of the geographical area.
No, there is no single, explicit law in the United States that directly mandates a company's workforce to mirror the demographics of its geographical area.And yet I worked in the business world for many years and that was always a concern. I guess some companies just naturally find the balance, even large fortune 500 corporations?
We even had a large poster denying that we discriminate against race (among other things), with an indication that that was the law. It was called the EEOC law, and required that we not discriminate. Of course one can FIND discrimination anytime the workforce at the business does not mirror that of the environment fairly closely.
Which is what I said, and which you deny.You're talking about two different things. The fact that corporations aren't allowed to discriminate does not equate to laws that require hiring to mirror the racial makeup of the community.... Which do not exist in reality. Yes, we do have laws that say you cannot discriminate. Thankfully.
How do you tell if discrimination is happening? Get a warrant and interview every employee for suspicious activity by the employer?
Or do you see how far out of the local norm the racial makeup of the company is? If the community is 80% black and the company hires 90% white employees, is that an indication of discrimination or are whites just better employees?How do you tell if someone is undocumented? Get no warrant and just raid the employer to see what they find? That is Trump's method.
I just think of those poor Asians that are discriminated against there! Shouldnt about 12 percent of the jobs be for them?
I disagree but appreciate your answer. If affirmative action had came with a cut off point it would certainly have been more palatable to a lot of whites that felt targeted by the program. As it was not, it seems from my viewpoint that it is perpetuating racism and not improving the situation.
Now you are making sense, are you just a clone of the original?
What you say is obvious to all of us, that is except those that do choose to swivel their heads 180 degrees about to avoid acknowledging the truth. The forum has more than its fair share of such “people”.
Are you saying you agree with the often illegal and very expensive pogrom Trump started up against Hispanics?
The word is Latinos. That is the politically correct name, not Hispanics. Using Hispanic is equivalent to calling a Black person Negro or Colored. Hate to digress-now let's discuss the subject. Anyone who is here illegally regardless of race/ethnic origin should be immediately deported. There are far too many illegals in America exhausting our infrastructure.
"Using Hispanic is equivalent to calling a Black person Negro or Colored. " - You will need to source that. The Hispanic that works in my office is proud to be called Hispanic (he is from Puerto Rico)
Credence, would you take offense if somebody called you a Negro (Spanish for Black) or colored as in the NAACP?
As to deporting anyone who is declared illegal by Trump is OK, even though that will drive America into a deep recession or even a depression.
I phrased it that way because people who have applied for asylum are here legally but Trump wants to deport them anyway.
Those people, such as the Haitians in Springfield, OH, WERE here legally under programs used by Biden, but are now (I think) illegal because Trump took away their legal status.
Also, where is the town of Springfield going to get their workers since they invited the Hattians there to fill jobs that were otherwise going unfilled?
Personally, I think Donald Trump, being a criminal and sexual offender, is much more dangerous to America than those coming here looking for safety.
Why don't they deport his wife, after all, she broke the law when she violated her travel visa. The Associated Press has found documentation showing that Melania Trump broke immigration law when she first came to the US in 1996 — by entering the country on a tourist visa and then working as a professional model. Or, are you going to make exceptions because she is married to Trump?ESO, the term “Negro” is only used among us to make fun of our own members. I would rather by referred to as colored, African American or black. After clearing the air on this over 50 years ago, only the most provincial still use the term out of ignorance, or the racist out of spite.
I wasn’t aware that “Hispanics” was a word that is out of favor with Latinos. I have never seen or heard of it anywhere.Thanks Credence. Hispanics it is, then. I am not surprised on your response about "Negro", that is what I thought as well. I am a bit surprised about "colored" even though I see it in print on on the airways a lot. I thought it was being frowned upon now.
(Sorry, I missed this before.)
The Hispanic that works in my office is proud to be called Hispanic (he is from Puerto Rico)
Yup. Also, "Using Hispanic is equivalent to calling a Black person Negro or Colored." Not (entirely) true. Could be for some. We re not a monolith. In fact, the use of terms like latino or hispano have more to do with US obsession to categorize people than with our identity. But yes, for the most part, with time we've embraced them and changed it derrogatory intention, now as source of unity and power.
But this is too complex for the forums.
I'll leave with this line from the Puerto Rican Obituary...
Aqui to be called negrito
means to be called LOVE
So true. <3
So wonderful but--- I wish more would converse in such a way.
Shar, it is called discerning maturity. Not everything is absolute, there are factors and variables involved. That is what my late mother taught me regarding the art of discussion.
True. Just as true as that liberals all wish to become another China, Laos, Cuba or North Korea, with their declarations of socialism.
This is what I don't get. Back from what? Trump has done nothing but run this country and it's people down since his first term in office. We are in for another four years of being told that everything we have and have done has led to a failing country and only he, Donald Trump, can make it well again. To those of you following him like the Pied Piper, step out of the line for a few moments and remember that this country did just fine without him since 1776. This country has been rewarded for helping it's neighbors and being a strong democratic example throughout the world. Is it no wonder immigrants choose to live here? That should make us proud. Are we willing to sell out our neighbors and the world around us just to lower the cost of a loaf of bread? Sure, our new person in office is going to change things. I hope we can hold our heads high and still be proud of the country we live in and the role it plays in the world when he is done marauding over our values.
Also, in another form of "step out of line for a moment" and see what happens to you if Trump finds out about it. Just ask patriot Liz Cheney.
Also, you are presuming we will be allowed to hold our heads up high. Once Putin took over Russia, there was no going back to democracy.I appreciate your reply. However, I can’t agree with your sentiments, nor do I feel the need to defend the President. I simply shared my view, just as you have. That’s what’s great about chat forums—we can both share our perspectives.
This is exactly what Putin did when he consolidated his power in Russia.
I am sorry, there is ZERO overlap between an organization Trump created to do away with the federal bureaucracy has nothing to do with the inspector general's offices whose job it is to keep the gov't honest.
While Trump has totally corrupted the idea of gov't efficiency with DOGE, he is solidifying his dictatorship by getting rid of the IGs.
So you anticipated Trump getting rid of gov't oversight? Is that what you just wrote?Good love all he has done --- hopefully he keeps a steady pace. All is okay with me. Go get them, President Trump!
Here is an inventory of the things you say you love, but I seriously doubt God thinks are good for His children.
* Trump applying his PERSONAL interpretation to the 14th Amendment to keep citizenship from those born on our soil, in direct contradiction to the 14th Amendment and Supreme Court rulings.
* Instituting what amounts to a Pogrom against Hispanics, with very little regard of who they round up be they real criminals, jaywalking undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, or American citizens (which they have already detained)
* . MAGA must be so proud that ICE will be busting down church and school doors to catch jaywalkers who crossed the border illegally.
* [b]Putting the lives of patriotic Americans in jeopardy because they had the audacity to disagree with Trump. How you ask? By withdrawing the necessary Secret Service protection they need because either the Iranians, or in Fauci's case, Trump supporters have sworn to kill them.
* Putting the lives of millions of people at risk because he doesn't want to provide foreign aid anymore.
* Punishing States and Corporations if they don't follow his instructions.
* Threatening a major recession or depression from stripping our workforce of need workers with his deportation plans.
* Causing major inflation and worldwide recession with his Tariff plans.
YEP, those sure are things to love alright. You are in good company because guess who else loves them, Putin, Xi, Un, and all other dictators around the world.
America just sunk even lower into a Russian-style authoritarian regime as 50 gutless, spineless Republican Senators put their political careers and fealty to a convicted criminal and convicted sexual offender and misogynist ahead of our country. They voted to put a fellow misogynist, drunk, and accused sexual offender in charge of the second most powerful department, the DoD. Pete Hegseth is now the Secretary of Defense and set to take our military down.
The damage this newscaster will do to our national security and military readiness is limitless.
Already Trump has hurt our military's ability to respond to war by forcing it to spend critical resources on his pogrom against Latinos. Now Hegseth will compound the insult. I have no doubt in my mind that sometime in the next four years that American soldiers will kill American citizens at the direction of Trump and Hegseth. That is my prediction.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/24/politics … ndex.html.I have predicted as much, Trump hates dissent and protests in principle. the possibility of his abusing the military with assaults on civilian populations is almost a given…. Never has so unqualified an individual been considered for a cabinet level position. But this is just the beginning, even greater outrages lie just around the corner.
Helter-Skelter…..
I say to America, “always remember, you asked for it”.After hearing about the unlawful, warrantless, illegal "raid" on a New Jersey business where ICE detained American citizens, I am having my head of HR draft a letter to my managers, employees, and contractors warning them they must be careful or be subject to the same treatment.
I am waiting for ICE to pop through my door in Palatka one day because one of my employees is named Jose (last name withheld for his protection).
The Pogrom has started."United States citizens, including Native Americans, are being warned to carry ID with them after reports of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers questioning and detaining people this week...."
Native Americans are being caught up..."We now know that Navajo people and enrolled members of other tribes are being detained in Phoenix and other cities by ICE,” Navajo Nation Council Speaker Crystalyne Curley said during a committee meeting on Thursday. “The reports that we have received indicate that we need to coordinate an operation or some type of response to help our enrolled tribal members here on the Navajo Nation.”So, so scary. I am glad I am a white male, Anybody else, including women like Sharlee, the Williams', etc are subject to Trump's prejudices. Just because they are MAGA doesn't protect them.
I hate to say this but I can’t have a lot of sympathy for the Hispanic community who actually believed that voting for Trump would be to their advantage. Trump loyalty and support has always been shallow and tenuous, at best. When he starts his raids and start to ship so many back across the Rio Grande, he is not going to make many distinctions outside of what they look like and their surnames. So, you can expect many civil liberties to be “trumpled” upon and as I said, they asked for it.
But as I said to so many white females who voted for Trump contrary to their professed outrage regarding his and the policies of the Republican Party, you have made your proverbial bed so now you can lie in it.That would be true. And sadly, I think, but don't know, Jose voted for Trump (I think it was that machismo thing). So all the more ironic if Trump comes after him.
Is this what Trump means by meritocracy? LOL... A drunk straight off of the Fox and Friends weekend couch.
Lol, must be. It is a shame being qualified doesn't count in Trump world.
Humankind hasn't evolved at the point where meritocracy should determine actions. Humankind still has the primitive, tribal brain to hire others who are like them whether it is race/ethnicity, association, class, allegiances, or other social constructs. Diversity and inclusion laws must be put in place as humankind isn't mature enough to use judgement regarding using merit to qualify people. Humankind is still tribal in that regard.
And now we see why you are a conservative.
Trump is as far from this as you can get:
meritocracy
noun
mer·i·toc·ra·cy ˌmer-ə-ˈtä-krə-sē
plural meritocracies
: a system, organization, or society in which people are chosen and moved into positions of success, power, and influence on the basis of their demonstrated abilities and meritI'd love for MAGA to apply principles of meritocracy to Pete Hegseth LOL...
What I have seen so far with Trump's rollout of Project 2025 is that it contains everything that satisfies Trump's personal ideals. It's apparent it was not well thought out and is not practical in many cases, but it makes him and his minions happy.
An example is using C-17 military aircraft to deport people back to Mexico. The Mexican government denied them landing rights because landing a military aircraft in a sovereign nation without approval is a an act of aggression towards that nation. There are many more examples I can give, but all you have to do is stay tuned to the rollout of P25.
Don't get it twisted, I am far from a conservative. Please read my entire statement thoroughly. To reiterate, humankind at this point of the evolutionary stage NEED DEI laws in order to ensure that there is equal hiring. I stated before that Trump was WRONG in dismantling DEI initiatives. Those laws need to be put in place in order to protect women, Blacks, Latinos, Asians, LBGTQ people, & other protected classes. There is NO SUCH THING as pure meritocratic hiring in America- NOT AT THIS POINT. Perhaps when humankind evolves, there will be hiring based upon pure meritocracy.
But don't you identify as MAGA? Virtually everything you write in defense of Trump points to that.
I suspect you would be in deep trouble if Trump found out you are pro-choice and pro-DEI. He would go after you in a heartbeat.
Whoever said there is PURE meritocracy in America? That is a goal which Liberals want to attain while conservatives, especially Trump, shun.YOU support DEI? I am going to have a heart attack for sure.
The hiring process is very subjective and while not posting “white only” signs the outcome clearly indicate that in too many circumstances that is the case.
TRUMP TAKES AIM AT CORPORATE AMERICA telling them what they can and cannot do during the Trump (let's start calling it what it really is) dictatorship.
... Instead, the chatter [at DAVOS] centered on Brian Moynihan, the CEO of Bank of America, who thought he was teeing up a softball for the president but soon found himself in Trump’s crosshairs. What happened next was a public berating of one of the most powerful financiers in the world — a warning shot to the private sector, direct from Trump’s mouth: The administration won’t stand for “woke” ideology in the ranks of the federal government, and companies had better get on board, too.
During a Q&A session, Trump touted his plans to reduce [already low] inflation before abruptly shifting the focus back to Moynihan.
“You’ve done a fantastic job, but I hope you start opening your bank to conservatives, because many conservatives complain that the banks are not allowing them to do business within the bank,” Trump said. “You and Jamie and everybody… What you’re doing is wrong.”
Jaws hit the floor, the Times reported.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/25/business … index.htmlI saw this Jamie Dimon is an example of “woke” for Trump and Trumpers. I saw a 60 minute piece where he was using his wealth and resources to create jobs and opportunity in Detroit. My hat goes off to men like Mr. Dimon and I can see why Trump and his ilk are juxtaposed to his attitude and activity.
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So, what is woke?
a
: aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
But we will only succeed if we reject the growing pressure to retreat into cynicism and hopelessness. … We have a moral obligation to "stay woke," take a stand and be active; challenging injustices and racism in our communities and fighting hatred and discrimination wherever it rises.
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If you are not about these principles then have I no use for you and you remain my enemy and permanent adversary, because in America, my survival depends upon it.
Those on the correct side of this matter must continue to resist Trump and make his tenure an unpleasant and frustrating one at best.I don't see a thumbs-up emoji - Thumbs Up!!
This was pretty well done: using the Mirriam definition (while forgetting to add it is slang) followed by an ellipses and additional words from the far left California politician, making it look like Mirrian Webster included her nasty comments in the definition.
Shame on you.
But it was interesting to see that you so firmly grasp the notion of racial discrimination and social injustice, making it very plain that you do NOT believe in challenging racism and injustices when it arises...as long as it puts "your group" ahead of the rest. Again, shame on you.It is slang that the Republican Party has turned into gospel.
You, being the great sage of Idaho, should know that “our group” has never really been ahead and ‘your group” has been primarily responsible for why things are as they currently are.I'm sorry: "my group" is firmly dead set against any kind of racism or discrimination. It is not defined by skin color (unlike yours) or race (unlike yours) but by philosophy and actions (unlike yours).
So..."my group" is NOT responsible for the racism of the past nor the racism coming from "your group". That you choose to define groups by race or color is irrelevant; "my group" has NEVER supported the racism you so firmly espouse, or any other for that matter.I'm sorry: "my group" is firmly dead set against any kind of racism or discrimination.
Well, I am sorry too, because it certainly hasn't been. Communicating with you shows that there is still a long way to go. If you are so against it why the anger over "Woke"? "Philosophy and actions" surely translate into racism for me despite your play on words. Trump's attack on the idea of equality in our society and so many of you adhering to it confirms what I always thought about thenature of the "majority" for now, within this society.
Are you blind as well as deaf, your group created the definitions and applied the adverse actions and perpetrated the terror over centuries of time."If you are so against it why the anger over "Woke"?"
Because "woke" is inherently racist, blaming the ills of one race on another without regard as to who the actual offenders are. It lumps all of one race into the group you have decided caused your ills; something that is obviously false.
"Are you blind as well as deaf, your group created the definitions and applied the adverse actions and perpetrated the terror over centuries of time."
Once more, "my group" is dead set against any form of racism and/or discrimination (such as sexual). Of course, you are trying to put me in a group convenient for your false statements, but you don't get to assign such a group. Certainly you don't get to designate a group that I will then accept, whether that group is racial or not. I understand that to you it is all about race; that actual, independent, actions do not matter when compared to skin color. But that is you; I have no desire to participate in that kind of evil, that kind of racism and outright refuse to accept your designation for it comes directly from racism itself, not from fact or truth.So, being against racism is, in your view, being racist. Interesting, ROFL.
If you can't (or refuse to) understand that making decisions based on skin color is racism I can't help you.
Then you don't belong to the mainstream Conservative/Today's Republican or yesteryear's Democrat/MAGA crowd do you? By observation and studies most of those who hold allegiance to that group are racist in thought and many are racist in actions.
If you belong to the group the eschews racism, then you belong with us liberals.No I do not belong there. Not that the Republicans or MAGA people today are inherently racist, not when compared to Democrats with their DEI, WOKE and continuing efforts at "affirmative action". I leave those obvious and apparent efforts to liberals who act them out and then declare that treating one race differently is not racist or discriminatory.
Yes, today's Republicans (and yesteryear's Democrats) and MAGA ARE inherently racist. Where do you think their roots come from. They come from slavers and segregationists. That is why White Supremist and Klu Klux Klan call Trump a brother.
Here is a list of known racist groups in America; all support Trump and all are MAGA.
American Patriot Vanguard
Nationalist Social Club (NSC-131) (a neo-Nazi organization)
The Last Militia
Pacific Justice Institute
ASN Study Guide & University (American State Nationals)
III% United Patriots
National Constitutional Coalition of Patriotic Americans
Faith & Freedom Coalition
Mass Resistance
Institute on the Constitution (aka American View)
People’s Rights
League of the South
National Socialist Movement (a neoNazi group)
Moms for America
Folks Front/Folkish Resistance Movement
Oath Keepers (also insurrectionists)
Parents’ Rights in Education
Parents’ Rights in Education
John Birch Society
We Are Change
Eagle Forum
Asatru Folk Assembly
The American State Assembly
Constitution Party
Patriot Front
US Parents Involved in Education
Proud Boys (Insurrectionists)
Moms for LibertyWow, so many. Do you think that there is some sort of pattern here? Where did you find this incredible list?
What right, as a privileged White man do you have to talk authoritatively about discrimination you have not lived through or are living through now.
You know as well as I that the Right whining about being faux discriminated against is just a pretense for keeping racism in America alive and well.
Sooner or later you will hopefully come to understand that trying to reduce discrimination in America is a good thing. Keeping the status quo, which you seem to support, is a very unpatriotic and unAmerican thing.
With this move, Trump will increase his "kill" count 10-fold. Many people will die, for obvious reasons, because Trump has stopped all life-saving foreign aid from flowing for at least three months. Hundreds of thousands of people are kept alive because of that aid. Now it is gone.
He has created yet another humanitarian crisis. But that is what MAGA wants, isn't it?
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/24/politics … index.htmlPutin praises his fellow dictator, and why shouldn't he. Trump just delivered Ukraine to him on a silver platter.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/25/politics … lkl-digvidIt is clear that Thomas Jefferson was prescient - he foresaw Donald Trump and wrote this about someone like him.
Thinking about what happened to America on Jan 20, 2021 and Jan 20, 2025, he had this to say:
A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true spirit, restore their government to its true principles - Thomas Jefferson, 1798.
My only edit to his sage advice is to replace "witches" with "warlocks". One hopes that by 2026 and then 2028, the people will be of a mind to restore their government to its former glory and return it to a government of principles as opposed to a government of personality.I think you left something out. When he said that after their spells dissolve and the government would return he was talking about the 4 years of the Biden and Harris fiasco.
Problem is what you believe to be true, isn't.
It works both ways. You said he was talking about Trump, I say he was talking about that sorry excuse for a politician Biden. Prove me wrong.
Pretty much works for any administration you don't like, doesn't it? Biden, Obama, Clinton, Reagan...as long as you don't like them you can call them nasty names and claim that when they're gone we shall restore government to what it was.
It's the liberal way, after all!
Credence, have you noticed the usual suspects haven't pushed back on the notion that Trump is quickly dragging America into a Putin-style of government?
To me that means Trump is doing what they want, getting rid of democracy and establishing the dictatorship he promised.America has always been a work in progress and while there have been many social problem, I always believed that we were moving forward in the right direction, even when Reagan took office. I had confidence that the baby would never thrown out with the bathwater. That has always been my hope and aspiration until now.......
Bait and switch...
Trump says inflation isn’t his top issue......uh oh. Suck it up?
Two months ago, in his first network television interview after the election, Donald Trump said he owed his victory to Americans’ anger over immigration and inflation, specifically the rising cost of groceries.
“When you buy apples, when you buy bacon, when you buy eggs, they would double and triple the price over a short period of time,” he told NBC’s “Meet the Press. “And I won an election based on that. We’re going to bring those prices way down.”
But in Trump’s first week back in the White House, there was little in his initial blitz of executive orders that directly tackled those prices.
They all said inflation was the No. 1 issue. I said, ‘I disagree,’” Trump said. “I talked about inflation too, but how many times can you say that an apple has doubled in cost?”
I guess Trump is just banking on the fact that y'all will give him a pass... Doesn't matter anymore right?
Patrick Penfield, a professor and supply chain expert at Syracuse University’s School of Management, expects egg prices could climb as much as 20% more in 2025 as the avian flu epidemic shows no signs of slowing down.... Has Trump even talked about the bird flu?
The bird flu outbreak has already led to the death of more than 100 million egg-laying hens.... Whole farms wiped out, Farmers entire livelihood wiped out...
Trump....
They all said inflation was the No. 1 issue. I said, ‘I disagree,’”
Who agrees? Trump is clearly sick of the whining about the economy, inflation and high prices y'all did under Biden....it's Trump's economy now and it's just fantastic, isn't it?Well, if you drink Columbian coffee, it should be getting a lot more expensive in the next week or so.
You see, because Trump treated the initial set of deportations in and inhumane manner with the military flights (as opposed to the many civilian flights Biden sent) the President of Columbia told the aircraft to turn back.
He said that if Trump acts humanely, he will take the deportees just like he did with Biden. Instead of doing that, Trump brought the hammer down on an allied nation, slapping them with an initial 25% tariff on everything they import to America. That will increase to 50% if Columbia presses their demand that the deportees be treated like humans.
In addition to the tariffs, Trump overreacted by 1) suspending visa applications, 2) a travel ban on Columbian citizens, and 3) revocation of visas of Columbian officials in the US plus "any allies and supporters", whatever that is.
Columbia has reciprocated with its own across the board tariffs. This will reduce American sales of petroleum products, corn and wheat, and animal feed.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/26/politics … index.htmlThat didn't age well.
Instead of costing us more for our coffee, he saved us the cost of transporting them. Their prez said, 'No worries, I'll send a plane.'
GA ;-)Yeah, his personal presidential plane at that.
Looks like the Bully of the World won this fight, although I doubt it will be the last as Columbia backs down from a trade war.
Brazil had its own protest of a sort after Trump's plan blundered into the wrong Brazilian airport. Brazil refused the military plane to continue after seeing the inhumane way the migrants on board were being treated.
Brazilian authorities said they found 88 handcuffed deportees on a US flight that mistakenly landed in a different city than its intended destination. Brazilian officials did not authorize the plane to continue on due to “the use of handcuffs and chains, the poor condition of the aircraft, with a faulty air conditioning system, among other problems,” and the migrants were transported to their final destination on a Brazilian Air Force flight.Our socialist government and CNN here in Brazil also complained about all of the children being abused on the flight, but only single males of military age got off the flight. More lies.
Oh, Trump spent triple the cost Biden did on doing the exact same thing during his term.
Did you need a Biden comparison?
peoplepower73 wondered if "whataboutism" was a real word. I think it is.
GASorry, you raised the issue. I just needed to put your "cost savings" into perspective.
"CNN
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The Trump administration’s weekend immigration sweep that included nearly 1,000 arrests and has chilled many immigrant communities was followed by another blitz: A barrage of video and photos from the federal government showing agents in tactical gear and vests emblazoned with “Police ICE” and “Homeland Security” taking cuffed suspects away.
The made-for-TV look of the arrests is not a coincidence."
Now that the pogrom is in full swing, I will be watching the GDP numbers closely to see how soon they start declining.Trump is now going after Native Americans. Not surprising.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/27/us/navaj … index.htmlPromise kept --- Jan 27 --- (The Hill) – The White House said Sunday night that a U.S.-Colombia agreement had come together in the wake of a back-and-forth between the two countries over topics including immigration and tariffs.
“The Government of Colombia has agreed to all of President Trump’s terms, including the unrestricted acceptance of all illegal aliens from Colombia returned from the United States, including on U.S. military aircraft, without limitation or delay,” White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement emailed to The Hill late Sunday.
“Based on this agreement, the fully drafted IEEPA tariffs and sanctions will be held in reserve, and not signed, unless Colombia fails to honor this agreement,” she added. “The visa sanctions issued by the State Department, and enhanced inspections from Customs and Border Protection, will remain in effect until the first planeload of Colombian deportees is successfully returned.”Well you know, when you bully a friend, many times that friend seeks out new friends... Ken can tell us all about that...
Columbia is no friend--- And they live off trade from the US... Buff up on trade, and how a country can thrive or collapse due to losing trade.
"Buff up on trade" ....we have a trade surplus with Columbia....and last year, Columbia took back 14,000 deportees from the US...with no issue. Yet Trump wants to make waves now by putting handfuls of people on military cargo flights? The man is an idiot. This is nothing more than red meat for an unwitting base.... Scenes created out of Central casting.. Look here not there because your eggs cost $15 and rent just went up.
That’s the thing, Willow, put just that much more egg on their
FaceHe should have put those criminals on commercial flights, right? Perhaps in first class, too, right?
And hope all went well for the flight attendants and other crew with a plane load of criminals, too. And when it was all over, defend paying double for a commercial flight rather than use a plane owned by the government and operated with free labor rather than pay for a commercial flight with all the extra costs.
Makes good sense...if the goal is something to gripe about.Yeah it's laughable that we're not even half filling huge military cargo planes...
I found Dan's comment very funny, and entertaining, with a good smidge of great common sense hidden in the lines... Here is a bit of info on cargo planes
The number of people a military cargo plane can carry depends on the type of aircraft. Here are some examples:
C-130 Hercules: This medium-sized cargo plane typically carries around 92 passengers, but it can also carry up to 128 if seated in a more packed configuration.
C-17 Globemaster III: This large cargo plane can carry about 102 passengers with seats or up to 154 people if standing or seated without seats.
KC-135 Stratotanker: Primarily used for refueling, it can carry around 80 passengers in a cargo configuration.
These were reported to be the planes that were sent to be used by ICE to take migrants back to where they came from.He's using c-17's with like 70 people on them... You can let me know how that's cost-effective versus what Biden was doing... And did you just know that information in terms of the types of planes off the top of your head?
yes and a C17 holds 102 passengers. Not sure where you got your 70 number. I have not seen any numbers only that two planes were utilized.
That is 138 passengers with side and center seats installed.
https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/ … age-931578
Trump is spending three times the money Biden did. But Trump does call himself the King of Debt, doesn't he. It seems he is out to prove it again this term.
It would be more cost efficient to put them back in Mexico and just let them walk home. I think there might be some humanitarian issues with that, which of course you would criticize them for.
That is what Biden did successfully and a whole lot cheaper (military flights are TRIPLE the cost of commercial, btw) for four years. That seemed to work nicely and humanely. But MAGA doesn't want humanely, does it. It is not manly, lol.
Please get your facts correct. Also, please define "criminal". Are we talking about Melania Trump type crimes?
Trade is much more complicated than Google U provided----If the U.S. were to impose tariffs on Colombia, it’s clear that Colombia would ultimately be hurt more. As a smaller, export-driven economy, Colombia heavily relies on the U.S. as one of its largest trading partners. Tariffs would make Colombian goods, such as coffee, flowers, oil, and textiles, more expensive for American consumers, which would reduce demand. This drop in exports would severely impact Colombian industries, potentially leading to significant job losses and economic instability.
While U.S. consumers might face slightly higher prices for certain goods, the American economy is more diversified and less reliant on Colombian imports, so the overall impact would be less severe. Additionally, Colombia’s economy would struggle to replace the lost U.S. market quickly, while the U.S. could shift to alternative suppliers. Ultimately, Colombia would bear the brunt of the economic strain, which could further destabilize its economy and potentially harm its broader relationship with the U.S.
According to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) data, in fiscal year 2023, the United States deported approximately 2,500 Colombian nationals. This figure reflects individuals who were removed from the U.S. and repatriated to Colombia during that period.
As of January 2025, the U.S. government has not yet released official data on the number of Colombian nationals deported in fiscal year 2024. Typically, such data is published several months after the fiscal year ends.
I am sure you can provide a source regarding your statement that Columbia accepted 14,000 deportees, and when they excepted them.
That would be a very positive move on their part because it is most likely many more thousands will be sent back under Trump.
It's unfortunate to see the prices of essentials like rent and many other products go up. Biden has certainly left us with a huge economic burden. Honestly, there's not much more to say than what I've already shared—once prices rise, they historically never really go back down. The silver lining, if there is one, is the lesson we can take from this: we need to be much more careful about who we put in the White House.
We can hope costs will come down, we now have a strong president who is very good at solving problems."Tariffs would make Colombian goods, such as coffee, flowers, oil, and textiles, more expensive for American consumers," - AT Least someone on your side now admits that Trumps tariffs will drive up inflation in the US. It is about time, thank you.
I am not sure what problems Trump has solved, but he sure has CAUSED a lot of them.
FACTS FIRST: Biden did not cause rents to go up, greedy real estate companies did. Biden did not cause inflation, the pandemic did. (if you try to point to his stimulus as a cause, then I will point to Trump's three times larger stimulus as a cause). You unfairly blame Biden for those things. The FACT is, Biden was great for our economy.
Trump, on the other hand, is probably going to cause major inflation while at the same time causing a major recession.
Careful there Willowarbor, there you go again trying to persuade through facts.
By the way, in the trillion dollar trade market, I think we import $14 billion and Columbia imports $18 billion. Their GDP is $384 billion.
The man is a major bully as well as being an idiot. Only an idiot would spend triple the cost to fly those detainees so he can show how mean he is. I wonder if our right-wing opponents think that is a wise use of their money. (Since Trump is doing it, probably.)Yep, it's the shock and awe of a military plane. Nothing to do with necessity at all.
Nice bit on that... more than 1,200 violent criminals rounded up in ONE weekend... wait until they really ramp up their efforts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BHUWKckQN0Where is the evidence of all the criminal activity?
I don't really think Ken cares about evidence, just hyperbole.
Thanks for the link. I see Tom Homan is doing his job and making no apologies for following our laws, which is something I’ve waited a long time to see. The so-called “golden Biden invitation” is in the trash, and Trump is following through on his promises by deporting criminals first and ensuring that anyone who doesn’t belong here under our laws is held accountable. Laws like 8 U.S.C. § 1182, which outlines grounds for inadmissibility such as criminal activity, health concerns, or security threats, and 8 U.S.C. § 1227, which lists reasons for deportation like criminal convictions, visa overstays, and violations of immigration laws, provide a strong legal basis. Additionally, statutes like 8 U.S.C. § 1325 address improper entry into the country, while 8 U.S.C. § 1226 allows for the detention and deportation of those who pose a threat to public safety or national security. Executive orders and federal directives also prioritize the removal of individuals involved in gang activity or other criminal enterprises. It’s about time we see these laws enforced properly!
When and where will we see documentation, the stats and data on criminality? I need transparency
I suggest you write Tom Homan a letter. We have laws, note I listed just a very few--- I trust Homon is following those laws with care.
Oh so it's trust over transparency... The new motto? That doesn't work for the majority of Americans. And who is to provide oversight when you get rid of IG'S?
I like Trust but Verify myself. And Trump is sealing up the gov't so as not to share any information. Trump, along with being anti-American is anti-transparency and clearly not trustworthy.
Then Tom Horman needs to go arrest Melania Trump for she is guilty of the same crimes you say immigrants committed. Can you tell me why you are giving her a pass for violating 8 U.S.C. § 1227 and 8 U.S.C. § 1325,
Can you explain why you have not turned yourself in anytime you broke a law, such as speeding?
It would be nice if Horman/Trump was limiting himself to gangs and violent criminals. He is not. He is terrorizing the immigrant communities ON PURPOSE just like Hitler terrorized the Jews in the 1930s; the methods being used are pretty similar, don't you think? People will soon see there is little space between the pogroms, although I will give Trump the benefit of the doubt that he won't gas the Hispanics.
What "violent" crimes did ALL 1,200 people commit? Living and breathing? Maybe by breathing, you consider that assault of air molecules?
Please go back and get your facts right. But your last point says he is a terrible bully.
President Trump shared he is not about to be bullied by any nation or nation's leader. He intends to seek out common sense fairness.
Funny, that there was never a problem with Columbia accepting deportation flights in the past...
Columbia wasn't bullying America, it just wanted Trump to treat the detainees humanely. Simple as that.
That is true, maybe Trump will force Columbia and all the other Latin American country into BRICS
It would be nice if all our other former allies got together a trust fund to soften the blow of Trump's efforts to force smaller countries to bend to his malevolent will.
Trump's purge of competent, patriotic, and loyal to the Constitution continues. In addition to getting rid of those IGs who might call out Trump's illegal activities, he just fired the prosecutors that worked on his insurrection indictment.
Ex-inspector general on Trump firings: ‘We’re looking at what amounts to a threat to democracy’
Hannibal “Mike” Ware, along with other inspectors general, were fired by Trump on Friday. The late-night firings may be in violation of federal law that states the president must give Congress a 30-day notice of his intent to remove an inspector general, and they have also raised concerns for what it means for the government to go without the independent internal watchdogs.
“We’re looking at what amounts to a threat to democracy, a threat to independent oversight and a threat to transparency in government,” Ware said Monday on MSNBC.
Ware, who was appointed by Trump during his first term, said the 30-day notice to Congress is a “key protection” of the independence afforded to inspectors general. He highlighted the 1978 Inspector General Act and its protections for the watchdogs.
U.S. Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who works under the Justice Department, was spared from the firings.
“For years, we have been viewed as nonpartisan, nonpolitical,” Ware said. “What’s happening right now is historic in that this has never happened before.”Not "May be", it WAS against the law, which is, of course, what Trump does best - break the law.
Have any of you noticed that once Trump won, there is no more talk from Trump or the usual suspects on these forums about high grocery prices? Why is that? Hypocrisy maybe?
Yep, the economy and inflation were absolutely catastrophic to them just months ago and people were suffering like never before...now it's suddenly all ok and they're making excuses for Trump's failure's on his day one promises...
"When you buy apples, when you buy bacon, when you buy eggs, they would double and triple the price over a short period of time," he told NBC's "Meet the Press. "And I won an election based on that. We're going to bring those prices way down."
Now...
They all said inflation was the No. 1 issue. I said, 'I disagree,'" Trump said. "I talked about inflation too, but how many times can you say that an apple has doubled in cost?"
Translation? Move on folks he's sick of you whining about high grocery costs. Suck it up!I said people say hyperbolic while campaigning, and I did not take his statement seriously. Who would believe anyone could fix the economy or food prices in a day? I also said more or less if anyone could bring our food prices down it would be Trump due to his good problem-solving skills. I for one don't like words put in my mouth. We have moved on, we won... perhaps you should as you say, "suck it up".
So how do you figure out when Trump is just lying? Many, many people believe his promises. The economy was the number one reason they voted for him... Are you calling these people gullible?
We have discussed this issue over and over. Out of politeness, once more, and the final time I will repeat my thoughts on this issue. I don't intend to touch on this issue further.
It's incredible how you always step in at just the right moment... Just like I could tell when Biden was lying, or Obama, or Bush, and so on. It's all about common sense and life experience—understanding how politicians operate, especially when they're campaigning and making those exaggerated, hyperbolic statements.
You seem to assume that many people take Trump's every word at face value. It feels like you're blanketing a whole group of people, and I find that approach really limits the conversation. I look at people as individuals. The phenomenon of groupthink, which is often associated with liberals—using the same phrases, focusing on the same issues, and lumping people together—isn't something I subscribe to. I don’t claim to know what other Trump voters feel about his promises, and I’m not sure why you'd ask me about that. I don't make assumptions about others' thoughts or feelings.
I've already shared my thoughts on Trump's statement about "bringing back the economy quickly." You might want to ask others here what they think about that specific campaign promise. Personally, I view it as a typical campaign hyperbole. The economy wasn’t one of my top reasons for voting for Trump."Just as it was in 2020, the economy was the most important issue for Trump voters this year. In a September survey, 93% said it was very important to their vote."
Seems like a monolith to me.
Trump supporters had especially negative views of national conditions. A month before the election, only 5% of Trump supporters said they were satisfied with the way things were going in the country. And in September, roughly nine-in-ten (89%) said they were very concerned about the price of food and consumer goods.
Have these people all done and about face??
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads … nd-expect/
I don't think she is assuming anything. People have PROVEN they they believe his lies.
And to how to tell when Trump lies? The old adage is very apt here - he opens his mouth.
Also, it seems to me you do most of the "stepping away". Isn't that true?"Also, it seems to me you do most of the "stepping away". Isn't that true?" ECO
Glad you asked this question--- allows me to share my thoughts on the issue. What I feel about ruminating, and why I step away.
Yes, I often step away when someone starts to ruminate on an issue. I find that ruminating takes a lot of energy and doesn't reflect much diversity of thought. Repeating the same point over and over feels like a lack of diverse perspectives. On social media today, many would call this kind of behavior trolling or baiting.And I call it trying to get people to admit the truth.
They believe all his other lies, why do they conveniently now say it was hyperbolic, no matter how many times he repeats the same lie?
Why the heck isn’t Trump doing something about the price of eggs? I was told, repeatedly, the high price of eggs and other grocery items was the No. 1 issue for American voters, leading them to pick a convicted felon as president over a highly qualified woman.
But now I keep reading that egg prices will continue to rise. What?!
I was told the old guy who got elected president so he could fix egg prices was going to handle that issue. Has he forgotten? Is the 78-year-old Trump, as was often alleged of Biden, experiencing cognitive decline?
Some, of course, will claim this isn’t Trump’s fault, since a key factor in rising egg prices is the spread of bird flu across U.S. poultry farms. According to the CDC, which Trump recently ordered to halt external communications, more than 136 million U.S. birds have been either infected or killed by bird flu..yikes.
But what is Trump doing to help the poultry industry and contain the spread of bird flu and get my dam egg prices under control so I can afford my morning omelette?... My local breakfast joint raised the price of an omelette by $3. An omelette now costs $20.99.
The answer to that seems to be: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He’s too busy threatening other countries with tariffs and deporting people, two things that, according to a recent piece in the Harvard Business Review, could be disastrous for America’s food supply and “could turn some items, like berries, into luxury goods.”
Perhaps if we were dealing with undocumented Guatemalan chickens, Trump would find time to address the bird flu issue. Or maybe he thinks he can threaten birds with harsh tariffs and force them to solve their own flu problem.... Inject all of them with bleach maybe?
there was no moment on the campaign trail when trump or jd mandel said they would bring down food costs in “a little bit of time.” as the guy they're calling the VP said..
Republicans spent four years blaming Biden for high food prices and inflation, even though everyone knew the COVID-19 pandemic was the primary driver of those issues.
And when inflation started falling, nobody on the right credited Biden. They just kept blaming him for food prices that had gone up and were not, and likely never will, come down.
So if Biden had to own high egg prices even when it didn’t make sense, I’ll be damned if I’m not going to insist Trump own high egg prices now, particularly since he and his administration are focusing on being cruel to transgender people and migrants rather than doing something to make eggs more affordable.
It's almost as if trump and company. never really cared about what regular people pay for eggs in the first place.Have beaten all your above issues to death...
Actually, he id doing WORSE than nothing. He is interfering with CDC's and FDA's response by appointing lackeys and restricting their authorities with his EOs.
The closely watched Confidence Report is out, and it is Terrible for Trump. It comes in four parts.
1. While the report revised Upwards Biden's Dec numbers, Trump's January number DECLINED 5.4 points.
2. More worrisome for Trump is the Present Situation Index for Jan plummeted 9.4 points!
3. Even worse, the Expectations Index fell 2.6 points but is still slightly above the threshold of where people are expecting a recession. Don't worry, Trump's agenda will guarantee a deep recession.
4. Notably, views of current labor market conditions fell for the first time since September, while assessments of business conditions weakened for the second month in a row.
https://www.conference-board.org/topics … confidence
Fortunately, this is one report Trump can't hide from you.
On March 13, 2025, the SSA will issue its estimated COLA for 2026, based on the rise in inflation over the previous month. I watch this intently to see if inflation has remained unchanged or has risen or decreased. I will have given Trump a month. If he screws up, I could always use the raise, but that not bode well for his promises.
Have you noticed that the faux outrage about not letting those who commit crimes, especially violent ones, get away is just one way.
The usual suspects think that some otherwise innocent person who crossed the border illegally should receive the death penalty by being sent back home is just fine.
You know what the usual suspects ALSO THINK IS FINE? Violent criminals who maimed police officers, leading some to die getting off with a slap on the wrist (for which they are upset about even that much of a punishment.) Or somewhat less violent criminals who threatened the lives of the Republican VP and congress members from both parties being rewarded by visits to the oval office and Republican lunch rooms.
You know what the usual suspect THINK IS FINE AS WELL are soldiers who disobeyed lawful orders and were discharged because of it being treated now as if they did the right thing in breaking military law (this is from a new EO Trump is signing).
Do you think it is hypocritical that it is OK for Melania Trump to break immigration laws and not be punished for it.
Why is it these MAGA people are OK with letting violent criminals and others get off free while they get apoplectic about children fleeing death in their own countries and seeking safety here?
All can you take their faux outrage seriously.Trump, the convicted criminal and convicted sexual abuser, continues his take over of the federal government as he attempts to replicate Vladimir Putin's dictatorial rule while MAGA applauds wildly.
All federal grants and loan disbursement paused by White House
This one will probably impact MAGA itself by potentially taking food out of their children's mouths. The EO is so vaguely worded that just about anything, except reducing social security and Medicare, that it could mean anything.
One thing it clearly means is Trump is attempting to take away the power of the purse from Congress in his illegal order. For sure, all those jobs Biden created with his CHIPS, Infrastructure, and Inflation Reduction Acts will come to a screeching halt unless the courts can intervene. Clearly, the Republicans seem to be of a mind not to hold Trump accountable for him taking their authority away.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/27/politics … index.htmlNonprofit group says Trump's pause to federal loans and grants "could be devastating and cost lives"
Here is the problem with that - Trump and MAGA don't seem to care how many lives are lost, so long as it is not theirs."In August 2024, then-candidate former President Donald Trump delivered a press conference surrounded by packaged foods, meats, produce, condiments, milk and eggs.
“When I win, I will immediately bring prices down, starting on Day One,” he said."
As he almost always does, Trump Lied to you. Prices have not come down at all in the EIGHT days since Day One.
In fact, Trump supporters on this forum have failed to note that egg prices "keep skyrocketing" (to use one person's favorite hyperbole) under Trump.Just as I predicted - Trump says he's not "100% sure" he can't run again for president.
That isn't the first time Trump has hinted at breaking this law.Are the Trump women ready to take their kids out of Head Start?
Freeze could force some Head Start programs to shut down as early as Wednesday
"Some Head Start programs are already unable to access the federal system they use to draw down their federal grant funding, which could force some to close their doors as early as Wednesday, Tommy Sheridan, deputy director of the National Head Start Association, told CNN Tuesday.
Head Start serves nearly 800,000 low-income children from birth to age five and their families." -It is a good time to be a lawyer as Trump will generate an avalanche of lawsuits with his illegal EOs.
"Nonprofits sue Trump administration over aid freeze
From CNN's Tierney Sneed
Several nonprofit organizations sued the Trump administration Tuesday over its move to freeze various federal aid programs.
The pause in funding, the lawsuit said, “will have a devastating impact on hundreds of thousands of grant recipients who depend on the inflow of grant money (money already obligated and already awarded) to fulfill their missions, pay their employees, pay their rent —and, indeed, improve the day-to-day lives of the many people they work so hard to serve.”"Trump must be gleefully salivating of the damage, hurt, and harm he is causing other human beings.
The order could impact millions of Americans, including meals to the elderly and even programs for low-income children. Is it fair to call him a ghoul?
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/27/politics … index.htmlRemember when Trump vowed not to touch Medicaid? It’s already begun.
Trump’s funding freeze has already wrecked Medicaid portals in every single state....who voted for this BS?
Trump’s halting of federal funding to state and local governments has resulted in Medicaid web portals being down in all 50 states.
Senator Ron Wyden posted on BlueSky Tuesday that his staff confirms disruptions in the health care program across the country, potentially hurting millions of low-income Americans including children, senior citizens, pregnant women, and people with disabilities.
Chaos.. this is absolutely illegal. But please tell me that cruelty isn't the point...
seems that the buffoon has just set off a big legal battle. A flurry of lawsuits have just been filed....
Update:
"Federal judge temporarily blocks Trump administration freeze on federal grants, loans"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/medicaid-h … ng-freeze/Steve Miller and the WH spokesperson pretended they didn't know why it went down. I bet they shut it down on purpose.
They don't even do this unAmerican thing in Russia.
"Oklahoma Board of Education votes to approve proposal requiring parents to prove citizenship when enrolling students
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/28/us/oklah … index.htmlSteven Miller and other WH spokespeople have been LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH regarding what the funding freeze actually says all day today (fortunately, a judge froze most of it this evening)
He is what it actually says, with my annotations:
M-25-13
MEMORANDUM FOR HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTSAND AGENCIES
FROM:
SUBJECT:
Matthew J. Vaeth, Acting Director, Office of Management andBudget
Temporary Pause ofAgency Grant, Loan, and Other Financial Assistance
Programs
The American people elected Donald J. Trump to be President of the United States and
gave him a mandate to increase the impact of every federal taxpayer dollar.][That is not true. The people elected Trump to secure the border and to lower grocery prices, period. In Fiscal Year 2024, Of the nearly $10 trillion that the Federal Government spent, more than $3 trillion was Federal financial assistance, such as grants and loans. Career and political appointees in the Executive Branch have a duty to align Federal spending and action with the will of the American people as expressed through Presidential priorities.[And this is EXACTLY what they did, they were President Biden's priorities since he was president at the time] Financial assistance should be dedicated to advancing Administration priorities, focusing taxpayer dollars to advance a stronger and safer America, [This is FALSE. Financial assistance is to do exactly what it says, provide financial assistance to those who need it according to the WILL OF THE CONGRESS, not the president (unless that president is a dictator)]. eliminating the financial burden of inflation for citizens, since there was no inflation when these programs were enacted, that can't be True either! unleashing American energy and manufacturing, ending “ wokeness” and the weaponization of government, promoting efficiency in government, and Making America Healthy Again. The use of Federal resources to advance Marxist equity, transgenderism, and green new deal social engineering policies is a waste of taxpayer dollars that does not improve the day-to-day lives of those we serve.[obviously this is propaganda of the worst kind!!!!, none of it true!]
This memorandum requires Federal agencies to identify and review all Federal financial
assistance¹ programs [e.g. Head Start and Meals on Wheels]and supporting activities consistent with the President's policies and requirements.² For example, during the initial days of his Administration, President Donald J. Trump issued a series of executive orders to protect the American people and safeguard valuable taxpayer resources, including Protecting the American People Against Invasion (Jan. 20 , 2025), Reevaluating and Realigning United States Foreign Aid (Jan. 20, 2025) , Putting America First in International Environmental Agreements (Jan. 20, 2025), Unleashing American Energy (Jan. 20, 2025), Ending Radical and Wasteful Government DEI Programs and Preferencing (Jan. 20, 2025), Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government(Jan. 20, 2025), and Enforcing the Hyde Amendment (Jan. 24, 2025). These executive orders ensure that Federal funds are used to support hardworking American families.
To implement these orders, each agency must complete a comprehensive analysis of all
of their Federal financial assistance programs to identify programs, projects, and activities that may be implicated by any of the President's executive orders. In the interim, to the extent permissible under applicable law, Federal agencies must temporarily pause all activities related to obligation or disbursement of all Federal financial assistance, and other relevant agency activities that may be implicated by the executive orders, including, but not limited to, financial assistance for foreign aid, nongovernmental organizations, DEI, woke gender ideology, and the green new deal. The latter three items have nothing to do with financial assistance, grants or other things this memo is targeting. This temporary pause will provide the Administration time to review agency programs and determine the best uses of the funding for those programs consistent with the law and the President's priorities. The temporary pause will become effective on January 28, 2025, at 5:00 PM.
Even before completing their comprehensive analysis, Federal agencies must immediately
identify any legally mandated actions or deadlines for assistance programs arising while the
pause remains in effect. Federal agencies must report this information to OMB along with an analysis of the requirement. OMB also directs Federal agencies to pause all activities associated with open NOFOs, such as conducting merit review panels.
No later than February 10, 2025, agencies shall submit to OMB detailed information on
any programs, projects or activities subject to this pause. Each agency must pause: (i) issuance of new awards; (ii) disbursement of Federal funds under all open awards; and (iii) other relevant agency actions that may be implicated by the executive orders, to the extent permissible by law, until OMB has reviewed and provided guidance to your agency with respect to the information submitted.
OMB may grant exceptions allowing Federal agencies to issue new awards or take other actions on a case-by-case basis. To the extent required by law, Federal agencies may continue taking certain administrative actions, such as closeout of Federal awards (2 CFR 200.344), or recording obligations expressly required by law.
Additionally, agencies must, for each Federal financial assistance program: (i) assign responsibility and oversight to a senior political appointee to ensure Federal financial assistance conforms to Administration priorities; (ii) review currently pending Federal financial assistance announcements to ensure Administration priorities are addressed, and, subject to program statutory authority, modify unpublished Federal financial assistance announcements, withdraw any announcements already published, and, to the extent permissible by law Trump argues he has the authority to override any law Congress has passed if he sees fit, cancel awards already awarded that are in conflict with Administration priorities, and; (iii) ensure adequate oversight of Federal financial assistance programs and initiate investigations when warranted to identify financial assistance programs and initiate investigations when warranted to identify underperforming recipients, and address identified issues up to and including cancellation of awards.
FOOTNOTE
1
2 CFR 200.1 defines Federal financial assistance to mean “[a]ssistance that recipients or subrecipients receive or administer” in various forms, but this term does not include assistance provided directly to individuals. For the purposes of this memorandum, Federal financial assistance includes: (i) all forms of assistance listed in paragraphs (1) and (2) of the definition of this term at 2 CFR 200.1; and (ii) assistance received or administered by recipients or subrecipients of any type except for assistance received directly by individuals. THIS MEANS that programs like Head Start and Meals on Wheels and School Lunch Programs are to be paused
2
Nothing in this memo should be construed to impact Medicare or Social Security benefits.Yeah... Because nothing says radical woke agenda like Meals on Wheels... My god, what is wrong with these people? They are digging deep to fund the giveaways to the wealthy.
I have no idea, but there is something definitely wrong with them; could it be they have no soul?
Trump is wrong, I was involved greatly in issuing cooperative agreements and grants on behalf of my agency. Congressional approval (Public Law) is required, and Executive Orders are never sufficient.
Trump is full of it. He cannot override Confressional mandate as the keeper of the purse. That is a very stupid man.
I hope that there remains legislators in Washington with the conjones to stop Trump in his power grab. Just who does he think he is?As a dictator he can, and that is exactly what MAGA, his supporters on this forum, and especially the Republican lawmakers want him to be.
I actually agree with this statement by the WH - ""Absolutely false." White House denies that buyout offer sent to federal workers is a purge, at least regarding the buy-out. Beyond that, there is no question Trump is conducting a purge of the federal workforce.
A President does have limited authority to control the size of the federal workforce, so long as it doesn't contravene congressional authority. Even though it is supremely stupid, Trump can end the work at home program that he and the presidents before him instituted and pushed in order to save money and create a better work environment.
It IS a purge, and illegal, however, to fire civil servants simply because they may do their job and protect America from a dictator. It is also a purge when Trump fires those people involved in trying to hold him accountable for his breaking the law. It IS ALSO a purge to clean out a nonpartisan federal workforce and replace them with political hacks like was common in the 1800s in American politics and is a necessity for any dictator worth his or her salt.
But, offering a buy-out to any federal worker who will take it is, in my opinion, not a purge. It is something all 2 million federal workers ought to take advantage of by Feb 2, I think it is, and use the time to find a job where the employer respects them and doesn't make their lives miserable every minute of every day.
I enjoyed very much serving my country for 20+ years that I was a federal civil servant, but I would be first in line to take the buy out today. The Americans who voted for Trump to do this do not deserve my hard, dedicated work.
It is my belief that regardless of the suffering it will cause, America needs to feel the full weight of the disaster they caused by voting Trump back into office. After that, I am sure we will get a president and Congress like we had under Biden and Obama and the presidents before them who will serve the people and not himself.Where do you get your information?
There no purge. Nobody is being fired.
Federal employees who don't like President Donald Trump or don't like the fact they have to come into the office are being offered a "buy out" They can stop working and still get pay and benefits until September. That is approximately 9 months to get their full pay and benefits while they look for alternate work.
Seems like a very fair offer.
It's their choice.Please read the real news and get back to me. Also, talk to the people at USAID, the IGs, and DOJ career prosecutors who have fallen under Trump's knife totally out of spite.
With luck, each of those people will file wrongful termination lawsuits to get back pay and punitive damages.You are correct, no one has been fired--- The White House has introduced a "deferred resignation program" that offers financial incentives for federal employees who voluntarily resign by February 6, 2025. Those who choose to participate will receive around eight months' worth of salary and benefits while remaining on the payroll until September 30—without being required to work in person. The goal of this initiative is to streamline the federal workforce and cut government spending.
Certain positions are exempt from the program, including roles in immigration enforcement, national security, and the U.S. Postal Service. The administration estimates that between 5% and 10% of federal employees may take the buyout, potentially leading to annual savings of up to $100 billion.
However, not everyone is on board with the plan. Federal employee unions, particularly the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE), have voiced concerns, urging members to carefully consider their options before making a decision. They caution that the program could be a way to pressure employees into resigning and stress the importance of fully understanding the long-term implications.
This move is part of a larger effort by the administration to reshape the federal government, including requiring employees to return to in-person work and reclassifying certain positions to make job cuts easier.
I would think many might take the deal. What is it that Democrats don't get? Trump promised to cut government spending. This issue should not send shock waves."You are correct, no one has been fired" - AND where do you get your information since multiple people have been CLEARLY fired!! Are you believe right-wing media's lies again?
You are apparently mixing things up. The "deferred" program has nothing to do with the firing of career prosecutors of Inspector's Generals. Didn't you know that?
I really hope Trump is successful in destroying the federal workforce. Because if he is, YOU will personally suffer the consequences as will people close to you and every other American when the federal government can no longer function. At that point, you should finally come to realize the terrible mistake you made voting for Putin, er, sorry, Trump.
The war against federal employees from Trump is totally partisan and not based on principle. During my tenure of service, Reagan removing federal employee COLA and his trick to try to get me to give up my CSRS retirement benefits was the worse, until now.
The American people wondering what has happened to their services and its administration will get what it deserves for its lack of vision. I will wait for them to start howling, if not openly in fear of revealing their error.
He cant cut administration to the point that Congressionally appropriated funding is thwarted because there is no one there to work and carry it out. He is attempting to usurp the role of Congress and to that end he has to be slapped down, hard.
Federal employees taking the buyout will amount to all the wheels and gears coming to a halt. Who is prepared for that? Trump is screwing people over as such is his brand, if you are not nearing retirement, who can afford to walk away from a job and career?
I will say it again, Trump sucks!!Very late in the game, I ran the numbers and it finally because worthwhile to switch to FERS. But I didn't at first because Reagan was trying to screw me.
With eight months pay and benefits, in this "current" job market, before Trump kills it, they should have a chance to find new work.
I think this "wheels and gears" need to come off so that people will have a good understanding of what a monster Trump is.
"Hegseth revokes security detail for Gen. Mark Milley and orders investigation into the Trump critic"
And Putin, sorry, Trump continues to his campaign of TERROR on patriotic Americans. YOU MAY BE NEXT.What does maga call this? Oh yeah... WEAPONIZATION. I do hope that someone is overseeing Hegseth's sobriety though...
I call this smart—Trump is removing individuals he sees as inept and unworthy of access to top-secret information, preventing potential leaks to left-leaning outlets that could put our nation at risk. As president, he is responsible for our safety, and from my perspective, he’s fulfilling that duty.
But an investigation? Lol... Nothing but weaponization... The best we can hope for is that Jordan and Comer fire up the clown car for yet more of their comic relief... They were priceless. Ineptitude as we have never seen.... And isn't General Milley retired??
We're not talking about protecting secrets here... We're talking about Petty revenge from small men...
Hegseth "also directed" the Defense Department's Office of Inspector General to "conduct an inquiry into the facts and circumstances surrounding Gen. Milley's conduct so that the Secretary may determine whether it is appropriate to reopen his military grade review determination."Didn't you know, now that Trump has become a dictator, "weaponization" is GOOD. (You notice NOBODY disagrees with my characterization of Trump as a Putin-style dictator. They must agree and approve.)
Yes, Milley has been retired since 2023, he does not need a security detail or security clearance. He no longer represents the government. Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth directed the move as one of his first acts in office, asking officials to investigate Gen Milley's "conduct" and review his military grade. Seems he has possibly done things that may jeopardize his military grade.
I didn't realize you were so well versed on when a person's life is in danger or not or when they continue to need a security clearance. FYI - Security details are provided when a former high ranking official has credible threats by foreign, or probably in this case domestic, actors.
FYI again - ALMOST ALL high ranking people from the intelligence world carry their clearances into retirement because of the gov'ts need to continue you receive their advice and counsel.
Iran has Bolton, Trump, and Pompeo on a hit list. Your friends on the right have Fauci on their hit list.
Has he done things to jeopardize his military grade? Only in Trump world, he told the truth about Trump, that is all that is needed to put his life in danger."Seems he has possibly done things that may jeopardize his military grade."
LOL... LIKE WHAT?
Seems like the only thing he's done is speak up against Trump... Like I said, Trump is a petty vengeful person who put a drunk in charge of the Department of defense to dutifully carry out his whims...I have no idea what Milley did or did not do. I guess we may have the opportunity to find out. I am sure if anything turns up, the media will report it.
What has been proven now is that no military officer or enlisted man is safe from retribution. How sorry is that?
He gave himself that duty. He also has removed security details from those he doesn't like and their lives and their families are now at risk of being attacked. Fauci, Bolton, Pompeo, and now Milley. It is Trump's way of playing his revenge card. How many more is he going to put at risk? The worst part is there is nothing to stop him from playing that card or purging Federal Civil Services employees.
How many federal civil services employees have top secret security clearances? I tried researching it and could not find any information.
The way security clearances are supposed to work is you only have access to classified information if you have a proven need to know.
In Trump's first term all his kids and Jared Kushner had top secret security clearances even though they were not granted clearances by the clearing agency. Trump just gave them top secret clearances.I suspect, there will be a lot of applause from the Right when one or more of those people or their families are killed or hurt.
I expect to hear the refrain, "Critics of Trump got what they deserved!" How dare they point out that the King is naked? (Ugh, what a thought)There is an interesting point or two here. I wouldn't trust Donald Trump as far as I could throw him and that is not very far.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tim-kain … cf5694ef54Are these the TRUE words you are talking about? "“He’ll stiff you,” Kaine said on the Senate floor."
Yeah, you betcha, ESO. Trump could make the insane offer and since it is on its face contrary to the will of congress for which he has no authority to not pay workers, it would be shot down. Then guess what, all those who would have resigned would be holding the bag. Why the drop dead date of February 6th? What happens then? It is just more pure Trump and the "Art of the Steal".
"The way security clearances are supposed to work is you only have access to classified information if you have a proven need to know." People Power
Thank you for sharing --- I did not know that.
It does appear he is, one could say, canceling out people he felt did him wrong. Can't say much more on that, I just have no idea why he removing Security as well as Secret Service protection. I can only assume he has the right to do so.
Regarding those he is firing, it seems that he has the right to put in people that he feels he can trust to be non-biased."It does appear he is, one could say, canceling out people he felt did him wrong. Can't say much more on that, I just have no idea why he removing Security as well as Secret Service protection. I can only assume he has the right to do so.
Why is he doing this? Because he is a small, petty , vengeful little man. We can certainly see why Trump wanted Fox news couch creature Hegseth as Secretary of Defense... WEAPONIZATIONI really have little interest in your view of President Trump. Thus far, I am very pleased, as well as impressed with what he has done in his first week.
Why should anyone care about your view then? It is mostly misinformation, after all, isn't it? Just asking.
You can leave it "he can trust" to do his bidding and not the nations.
People Power-- I don't feel comfortable discussing Fauci, Bolton, Pompeo, or Milley right now. I know that Milley and Fauci are currently under investigation for several issues. I've read some of the accusations, but I’m not going to slander any of these men.
Why didn't you call the so-called Biden "weaponization" smart? Oh year, he wasn't Trump who can do no wrong.
He sees anybody who is good at their job and favors our Constitution over Trump as "untrustworthy".
It is interesting you say "left-leaning" in referring to national security leaks. As memory serves, it is Trump who is king of the leaks and mishandling of Secrets. Why do you defend his actions that so obviously hurt America?
Trump simply doesn't give a damn about YOUR safety, only his. I thought you would have noticed that by now.
That is one of the many things Trump will hide from the public.
Gee, Trump is going let a few people live (or maybe it was Rubio at the risk of his job.)
Trump "paused" ALL humanitarian aid to foreign countries save for military aid to Israel and Egypt, and "emergency food programs". Well, that still left a whole lot of people at risk of dying. So now Rubio opened the window a skoosh so that a few less people will die by exempting humanitarian programs that provide life-saving medicine, medical services, food, shelter and subsistence assistance. Everybody else can continue to suffer, thank you.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-foreig … 4d3e73350bAll those who voted for this INCOMPETENT fool must really be embarrassed by his stupidity.
WHITE HOUSE RECINDS HORRIFIC AID FREEZE
Sorry for being so blunt, but we tried to warn you.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/politics … index.html
I wonder if Trump gave access back to those websites he shut down so that people and states couldn't get their funding?See, if he tries really hard, Trump can do good things to - "Tren de Aragua, a gang started in a Venezuelan prison, becomes early target of Trump administration immigration raids"
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venez … index.htmlSenator Menendez was just sentenced to 11 years in jail for bribery and other crimes. When is the betting that Trump will pardon another fellow criminal?
I guess Trump's senility, dementia, and continued incompetence is showing through again. He can't even rescind horrible policy without confusing everybody all over again. It is SO BAD that a different federal judge is ready to restrain Trump from freezing domestic aid to Americans.
"U.S. District Judge John McConnell said a bid by the White House to rescind a “hugely ambiguous” order implementing the freeze appeared to be undercut by White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt’s subsequent statement that the freeze was still in effect.
“I’m inclined to grant the restraining order,” McConnell, ... said during a court hearing on a lawsuit brought Tuesday by Democratic attorneys general. “I fear … that the administration is acting with a distinction without a difference.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/2 … e-00201341I don't have any new chaos from Trump to report this morning but he did show his ire that HIS fed chief that HE hired thinks more of America than he does of Comrade Dictator.
Once again, Trump can't remember who he is blaming for what. He USED to falsely Blame Biden for inflation. NOW he is blaming his "I only hire the best" Fed Chief for it. ROFL. And MAGA will follow along and parrot the same thing. Just watch.
"Hours after the Fed announced its decision to hold rates steady on Wednesday, Trump, who nominated Fed Chair Jerome Powell in his first term, accused Powell and his colleagues of failing “to stop the problem they created with Inflation,” according to a post on Truth Social."
Now, the TRUTH is, of course, is that the Fed and Biden DID STOP the pandemic caused inflation in its tracks. While it often takes over a year to bring down inflation in the past, the Fed and Biden took only about five months to get it below historic averages.Oh yes, can't wait to see the members of this forum who previously praised Powell turn on him now.
Isn't it so very sad that MAGA, including those on this forum, think this is a good thing and needs to be done.
"People on Kash Patel’s so-called ‘enemies list’ taking drastic steps for protection before his potential FBI takeover"
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/30/politics … index.html
"The individual, granted anonymity to speak freely about security measures, decided to relocate in the coming weeks and is taking other steps to keep their new home purchase anonymous. They said they’re doing this because they are afraid Patel might weaponize the FBI against them or use his platform to inspire others to take action.
“After being doxed several years ago, we were tired of dealing with the constant anxiety of always needing to look over our shoulders,” the person told CNN. “Everyone deserves to have safety and security at home. Moving and taking precautions to keep our address anonymous will feel like a weight lifted.”
The list in question appears as an appendix at the end of Patel’s 2023 book, “Government Gangsters.” It names more than 50 current or former US officials that he claims are “members of the Executive Branch deep state,” which he describes as a “dangerous threat to democracy.”
The Truth is that IT IS TRUMP AND PATEL (the next J. Edgar Hoover on steroids) WHO ARE DANGEROUS THREATS TO DEMOCRACY.Trump is succeeding in Making America Terrible Again. He is quickly turning America into a place nobody, including a lot of Americans, what to be. MAGA will applaud this sad headline:
"Trump realities drive migrants to reroute their American Dream - meaning, Under Trump, the American Dream no longer exists.
Nobody "wants" to move to Iran or Russia. Now, for the same reasons, nobody will want to to move to America.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/30/americas … index.htmlIf any Americans don't want to be here; they are free to leave. There are no restrictions on moving to another country. Americans would simply have to deal with the immigration laws of the country where they wish to reside. Let's hope they want them. More than one American has had a rough wake-up call when trying to just start living in Canada.
NO problem. If anyone from outside the United States doesn't want to come here, NO problem. We'll be just fine.
We have far more than enough people who do want to be in the United States from other countries.You mean like America who wants no immigrants?
You seem to not understand economics 101 with your statements. It is simple:
1. In America, the number of deaths of native born Americans will exceed the number of births by 2042. In some demographics, such as Whites, that is ALREADY true.
2. The only reason the US population has been growing as well as it has has been because of immigration.
3. Economic Growth is DIRECTLY tied to population growth.
The relationship between population growth and GDP growth is typically modeled using the Solow-Swan Growth Model or variations of it. A simplified formula that ties GDP growth (gY) to population growth (gL) is:
gY = gA + αgK + (1−α)gL
Where:
gY = GDP growth rate
gA = Growth rate of total factor productivity (TFP)
gK = Growth rate of capital
gL = Population (or labor force) growth rate
alpha α = Capital share of output (typically between 0.3 and 0.4)
CLEARLY, if population declines, as you suggest is good, then economic growth declines or goes negative.
Is that what you want?As someone on the left you don't seem to grasp or comprehend the difference between legal and illegal immigration. I'm sure you don't understand it, but there is a big difference.
My family members over the past several years have come here legally. That consisted of sponsoring them, filling out paperwork, paying money and waiting. Years ago we even had to post a bond to the United States government and guarantee they wouldn't take money for the government until they got their green card. It took time but it was worth it.
Every year there are tens of thousands of people who legally come to the United States and become legal citizens. These are the people we want in our country. Those who respect our laws. Approximately a million immigrants from other countries become US citizens each year.
You see, illegal immigrants are an insult to the tens of thousands of legal immigrants.As a right-wing operative, what you don't understand is that Trump, and more importantly, those driving his agenda simple don't care that there is a difference. To them, to put it right-wing terms for the 1800s, the only good immigrant is a dead immigrant, legal or undocumented (most are legal, by the way, according to the laws of America once they turn themselves in and are awaiting adjudication.).
No one is equating illegal immigrants with legal immigrants. The fact that you would so blatantly lie about that is a good indication of why you leftists are losing your government jobs and why so few people are watching the leftist main stream media.
Dr. Mark,
I also believe the democrats lifting illegal immigrants to special status has caused a lot of resentment. Illegal immigrants, breaking the law by coming across the border getting put up in good hotels, being given food vouchers, medical care & more. Then there are Americans who are homeless and living on the street.
That has angered many Americans. Even veterans got removed from a building so it could house illegal immigrants. It's always shocking to me that the democrats don't see that they're doing anything wrong.And at the WH press conference, the leftists refuse to accept that the illegals are actually illegals! They lie just like that poster.
No, even though you and the rest of the leftists do not believes that criminals are illegal. If you care so much about illegals Margaret, why dont you invite a group of them to live in your house?
Here is the perspective of someone who is here legally from Columbia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR04zeIT9fAThis is youtube. How do I know it hasn't been altered by some right-wing operative? They are very good at editing youtube to tell any story they want,
I will take you seriously when you condemn Melania Trump for her illegal entry. Until then, your objections must be considered so much partisan sniping and made-up stories from right-wing propaganda.
I'm afraid you are also very confused about Melania Trump and your imagination is getting the better of you.
"What is the Einstein visa? And how did Melania Trump get one?
Melania Trump obtained US citizenship on a visa reserved for immigrants with "extraordinary ability" and "sustained national and international acclaim", according to a report in the Washington Post.
Nicknamed the "Einstein Visa", the EB-1 is in theory reserved for people who are highly acclaimed in their field - the government cites Pulitzer, Oscar, and Olympic winners as examples - as well as respected academic researchers and multinational executives.
Mrs Trump began applying for the visa in 2000, when she was Melania Knauss, a Slovenian model working in New York and dating Donald Trump. She was approved in 2001, one of just five people from Slovenia to win the coveted visa that year, according to the Post.
Becoming a citizen in 2006 gave her the right to sponsor her parents, Viktor and Amalija Knavs, who are now in the US and in the process of applying for citizenship.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43256318Melania deserved a genius visa? Wow.
"reserved for people who are highly acclaimed in their field - the government cites Pulitzer, Oscar, and Olympic winners as examples -"
This is laughable...Yes, Willow it is. Melania has posed in "girly magazines", that many of us from finer circles would call pornography. Superstar status, no, it is more like porn star. She was Trumps "mail order" bride. Check the internet and you can get one for your own from Eastern Europe with free shipping thrown in. How does she get an exceptional pass for that? And yet during the Obama administration, Michelle was criticized for wearing a sleeveless blouse. Geez!!
Sometimes one just simply has to accede to the absurd."She was Trumps "mail order" bride."
You're going off the deep end with this one.
"In 1998, Donald Trump and Melania Trump (then Knauss) first met at a New York Fashion Week party. Although Trump was with another date, he asked for Melania's phone number, but she hesitated and instead requested his number. She wanted to see what kind of number he would give her, and he handed over several, including personal and office numbers. Melania later contacted him, drawn to his energy, and they began dating. Their relationship blossomed, leading to marriage in 2005 and a shared life that continues today."Mike, This is just what I was talking about--- Now they have turned their rhetoric toward Melania Trump. Oh My. A case of "if the mistruth fits a narrative." It's been pretty well documented how they met, and her modeling career. I find it extremely inappropriate to slander a person without cause—just to do it without any conscience, showing no care whatsoever for others' feelings, reputations, or dignity. Melania Trump has done nothing to create such irrational hatred or misinformation about her. I disrespect this type of bait on chats. I don't feel air should be given to these forms of defamatory statements. In my view, It just breeds more inflammatory words.
Cmon, Sharlee, it is information that you simply do not want to hear? If we are talking about illegal immigration and justified exemptions, Melania Trump should be fair game, since her husband has been driving this illegal immigration schtick so hard.
NOTE ---- It’s fair to have a conversation regarding Melania Trump’s citizenship and how she obtained it, as it’s relevant to public discourse, especially given the scrutiny other public figures have faced over similar matters. However, the comments I referenced go beyond that and veer into outright disrespect and slander. I did not join in the conversation regarding Melania Trump or how she obtained he citizenship. I entered a personal comment to Mike, sharing my view on how Melania was being slandered.
My comment--- Sharlee01 wrote:
Mike, This is just what I was talking about--- Now they have turned their rhetoric toward Melania Trump. Oh My. A case of "if the mistruth fits a narrative." It's been pretty well documented how they met, and her modeling career. I find it extremely inappropriate to slander a person without cause—just to do it without any conscience, showing no care whatsoever for others' feelings, reputations, or dignity. Melania Trump has done nothing to create such irrational hatred or misinformation about her. I disrespect this type of bait on chats. I don't feel air should be given to these forms of defamatory statements. In my view, It just breeds more inflammatory words.
YOUR REPLY-- to my comment --- "Cmon, Sharlee, it is information that you simply do not want to hear? If we are talking about illegal immigration and justified exemptions, Melania Trump should be fair game, since her husband has been driving this illegal immigration schtick so hard." Cred
FAIR GAME TO SLANDER without any kind of facts to substantiate your crude sexual claims? In my view, this is what some liberals do-- they insult, they bully, they slander all without cause.
"Credence2 wrote:
Yes, Willow it is. Melania has posed in "girly magazines", that many of us from finer circles would call pornography. Superstar status, no, it is more like porn star. She was Trumps "mail order" bride. Check the internet and you can get one for your own from Eastern Europe with free shipping thrown in. How does she get an exceptional pass for that? And yet during the Obama administration, Michelle was criticized for wearing a sleeveless blouse. Geez!!"
"Credence2 wrote:
"I did and I don't see how the ability to open one's legs for the camera, be it male or female qualifies one as a "genius" who should get some kind of exemption."
I wouldn’t have had to call out these distasteful comments, and I wouldn’t have if you hadn’t responded to my comment. I was letting it slide--- My comment to Mike was simply highlighting what I see as unnecessary and untrue slander. It’s disgusting to see what some feel entitled to say about a complete stranger—you attack this person’s character just because you could.
Another one bites the dust--- won't be responding to any of your posts. So, save your energy or have at it. BYEWhy should a model receive a Visa reserved for those of extraordinary talent, those at the genius level? Once our country dangerously low on models at the time?
Nothing pornographic here just getting to the point and its quite sharp. She is not a stranger, her record and background if you posed for porn is anything but pristine. There is no question that she did. With all the morally driven jibber jabber that comes from the Right these days, why can't the standards they so quickly apply to others not apply to them? I don't respect that.
You don't have to, if you don't like. I am still writing regardless and I am not here to give comfort to the lie or half truth or accommodate hypocrisy, just because Trump is your man. I had also heard that he was cheating on his second wife while courting Melanie, with a little investigation and being familiar with Trump's sordid character, that is probably true as well.
Shar, are you seriously asserting that Melanie did NOT break immigration law by working as a model while on a travel visa in America? It is a well documented fact!
"Slander without any conscience, showing no care whatsoever for others' feelings, reputations, or dignity" - do you realize you just describe your hero to a "T"? Why do you tolerate him if you truly feel this way?
That is a great fairy tale story, Mike. What woman could resist being a mere gold digger when someone like Donald Trump is the suitor? It is never his energy more than his money. You gotta admit that someone like Donald Trump HAS GOT to be paying for it
No facts here just your imagination.
Proof she was NOT a "mail order" bride.I don't know if this is true or not, but it could be a possibility.
https://www.politicalflare.com/2023/11/ … ith-trump/Melania Trump filed a defamation lawsuit against the Daily Mail in 2016 after they published an article suggesting she had worked as an escort, which is a false and defamatory claim. The lawsuit was settled in 2017, with the Daily Mail agreeing to pay damages and issue an apology to the First Lady.
BBC.COM
Additionally, Melania Trump settled a defamation claim against a Maryland blogger who had written about unsubstantiated rumors regarding her past. The blogger issued an apology and agreed to pay a substantial sum as part of the settlement.
REUTERS.COM
These legal actions underscore the seriousness with which Melania Trump addressed false allegations about her personal history.
If you don't know it is true why post it?I posted it to see if someone else could disprove that article or validate it.
Sharing unproven accusations and waiting for someone else to validate them isn’t responsible discourse—it’s how misinformation spreads. If there’s no proof, why push the claim at all? It’s one thing to seek the truth, but another to amplify baseless rumors just to see what sticks.
My list is long of people here that I refuse to converse with, welcome to the list.Seems to me you do that a lot as well. Why are you criticizing Peoplepower for doing the same thing?
Retraction from the Daily Mail
""The Daily Mail newspaper and the Mail Online/DailyMail.com website published an article on 20th August 2016 about Melania Trump which questioned the nature of her work as a professional model, and republished allegations that she provided services beyond simply modelling. The article included statements that Mrs Trump denied the allegations and Paulo Zampolli, who ran the modelling agency, also denied the allegations, and the article also stated that there was no evidence to support the allegations. The article also claimed that Mr and Mrs Trump may have met three years before they actually met, and ‘staged’ their actual meeting as a ‘ruse’. not sure that last one qualifies for libel.
"We accept that these allegations about Mrs Trump are not true and we retract and withdraw them. We apologise to Mrs Trump for any distress that our publication caused her. To settle Mrs Trump’s two lawsuits against us, we have agreed to pay her damages and costs."
Often, and I think you might have said the same thing in previous posts, companies settle to minimize the expenses of defending.
That is Trump for you, an asshole to the very core. I wonder how his date took the rejection. Probably as well as Wife 1, when he cheated on her with Wife 2; and as well as Wife 2 when Trump cheated on her with Wife 3 (Melania); and as well as Wife 3 when he cheated on her with a Porn Star and a Playboy Bunny.
"Us from finer circles"?
Bless your heart Cred. It must have been a struggle for you to get there.
Yep, sometimes one simply has to acknowledge the absurd.
GA
If you looked into this a little bit you would find she was one of the top models in the world.
No, she really never really was considered a top model by industry
standards. She would have been considered many, many levels down from the supermodels of her day. She really wasn't even well known at the time. But where does "model" fit under the "genius" category? I think the reality is that money can purchase a visa and eventually citizenshipAnd that is an excuse for violating immigration laws. Interesting how you can excuse one thing and not another.
I don't see how any immigration laws were violated. She got the legally got the visa and later became a citizen as required by immigration law.
No laws were broken.Why do you INSIST on leaving out important facts. Facts such as Melanie took a job as a model in the US when she was not allowed to being on Travel Visa. Face it, she broke immigration law regardless of how many facts you choose to ignore.
I did and I don't see how the ability to open ones legs for the camera, be it male or female qualifies one as a "genius" who should get some kind of exemption.
Melania violated her travel visa by accepting a modelling job. Admit it, she broke the immigration law by doing that.
No, you are confused once again.
Melania Trump first entered the U.S. on a visitor visa in August 1996. She then obtained a work visa that October of that year and got her first modeling job in the United States.
You really should read more into this before making such baseless accusations that are so easily debunked."The Associated Press has found documentation showing that Melania Trump broke immigration law when she first came to the US in 1996 — by entering the country on a tourist visa and then working as a professional model."
SO - maybe YOU should read more before making such baseless accusation.Where are the documents? What are the documents?
Do they even exist?
No proof of anything. Just your imagination again.
Let me let you in on a little bit of information. Before you can become a legal citizen ALL of your entry and visa documents are completely reviewed. IF there was any other type of document available, such as payment made when on a tourist visa, the court would know about it.That is the easiest way to live in your fantasy world - deny, deny, deny the truth.
I take a trustworthy source like the AP at its word. They have proven in the past to deliver honest news, especially when it contradicts your propaganda.
All I have to say to your third paragraph is "Where are the documents? What are the documents? Do they even exist? No proof of anything. Just your imagination again." At least I gave you a source.If the AP can't produce the documents I have serious doubts they exist.
Should the AP have such documents, they could submit them to the immigration court and file a case of fraudulent citizenship. If this is proven, Melania Trump would lose her US citizenship.
Since the AP or no other organization has done such a thing I would have to say the documents do not exist.
The real question is how does a modeling job qualify for the “Einstein visa” program—a category intended for individuals with extraordinary abilities in their field.
I don't think modeling is an extraordinary ability. I think Trump pulled strings, but we will never know.
Melania Trump’s immigration story appears to follow a relatively straightforward legal process, moving from an immigrant with a temporary work visa to permanent resident status before ultimately obtaining U.S. citizenship. However, her journey has not been without controversy. Speculation over how she obtained her green card has circulated for years, with some questioning whether she benefited from the “Einstein visa” program—a category intended for individuals with extraordinary abilities in their field.
Here is the entire article.
https://www.econotimes.com/How-Did-Mela … n-1688106?
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Here is more information that makes me scratch my bald head.
https://onlinevisas.com/voice-of-immigr … orm=MG0AV3Do you intend to claim that no one can have "extraordinary abilities" in the field of modeling? I daresay there are a great many people, both in and out of the field, that would disagree. Or are you simply insulting models, insinuating they have no true skill or ability?
So?
Melania Trump is a legal citizen. You may not agree with her getting an Einstein visa, but she got one. Complaining about her immigration is much to do about nothing.So you are telling us to just look the other way and get over it, just like many other things about Trump. "What difference does Jan. 6 make, he is president now?" So you are asking us to be indifferent when it comes to Trump's actions and accountability for his actions is not important anymore.
If there is any proof that Melania should be a US citizen provide it. IF not, the left needs to get over it.
The left has been using lies and bogus lawfare to get to President Donald Trump for years. It is ALL nonsense. Most people know it and that is why he is president now. The absolute gas lighting nonsense is all the left has. There delusional world is not reality and until they abandon that world the left will continue to lose.
"right-wing terms for the 1800s, the only good immigrant is a dead immigrant, legal or undocumented"
Yeah, this is pretty delusional and based on your imagination.
Legal immigrants are aways welcome. The parents of JD Vance's wife are legal immigrants. He's vice president. Then there is Kash Patel whose parents are legal immigrants from Canada via Africa. There's Vivek Ramaswamy whose parents are legal immigrants. This list goes on and on. You are most confused. The Republican Party embraces legal immigrants and there is more than enough evidence to prove it.It would help if you researched your claims before making them:
Trump has signed multiple executive orders targeting immigration that, as the Migration Policy Institute noted, do one of three things: sharply limit legal pathways for entering the U.S.,
Trump used the false claim of Muslims being terrorists to bar entry into America during his first term. The data shows that most acts of terrorism on US soil are largely from his friends and supporters.
What is Trump and the far-rights view of legal immigration.
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT
Former President Donald Trump and many far-right groups advocate for reducing legal immigration to the United States. Their perspectives include:
Economic Concerns:
Labor Market Impact: They argue that high levels of legal immigration can suppress wages and increase competition for American workers.
Resource Allocation: Concerns are raised about the strain on public services and infrastructure due to increased population.
Cultural Integration:
Assimilation: Emphasis is placed on the importance of immigrants fully integrating into American society, adopting its values and norms.
Preservation of National Identity: Some express concerns that large numbers of immigrants might dilute or alter the nation's cultural fabric.
National Security:
Vetting Processes: Advocates for stringent screening to prevent potential security threats.
Rule of Law: Stress the importance of maintaining strict immigration laws to uphold national sovereignty.
Policy Proposals:
Merit-Based Immigration: Support shifting to a system that prioritizes immigrants based on skills and qualifications.
Limiting Family-Based Immigration: Propose reducing family reunification visas to limit chain migration.
And it worked to - Trump drastically cut legal immigration during his four years destroying America.
If you talk about "evidence" why don't you EVER produce any?"Trump used the false claim of Muslims being terrorists to bar entry into America during his first term. The data shows that most acts of terrorism on US soil are largely from his friends and supporters."
This is just one of many lies. They were not based on being a Muslim but on the country you were coming from. North Korea and Venezuela are not Muslim countries.
The reason for it was for "Improving Enhanced Vetting Capabilities and Processes for Detecting Attempted Entry Into the United States by Terrorists or Other Public-Safety Threats"
The Travel Ban 3.0 and 4.0 restrictions were country-specific, and tailored to the situation of each individual country.
Travel Ban 4.0 countries effective February 21, 2020
Eritrea
Kyrgyzstan
Nigeria
Myanmar
Sudan
Tanzania
Travel Ban 3.0 Countries
Iran
Libya
North Korea
Syria
Venezuela
Yemen
Somalia
https://www.nafsa.org/professional-reso … -resourcesThank you for laying out the facts so clearly. I appreciate the time and effort you put into setting the record straight.
One again Eso is called out for his lies. He and CNN seem to think it is okay to lie in order to sway the people to his views.
Doc, Yes, Mike laid out the facts, as he often does, and I give him credit for that. Too many people today are willing to distort facts to push a narrative, which I find both unproductive and unacceptable. I’ve come to realize that it's best to ignore posts that promote this kind of thinking—I’d rather not feed into it. To keep myself sane, I am picking and choosing who I communicate with, LOL.
Why do you find it best to ignore facts that show you are wrong?
Why do you continue to lie and present false facts?
OH! you mean these facts:
Eritrea - MUSLIM
Kyrgyzstan - MUSLIM
Nigeria - Only the majority MUSLIMs were banned
Myanmar - MUSLIM
Sudan - Only the majority MUSLIMs were banned
Tanzania - Only the minority MUSLIMs were banned
Travel Ban 3.0 Countries
Iran - MUSLIM
Libya - MUSLIM
North Korea - non-MUSLIM
Syria - MUSLIM
Venezuela - non-MUSLIM
Yemen - MUSLIM
Somalia - MUSLIM
Now that is how to layout FACTs very clearly. Apparently you were duped by twisted facts.
Shar,
I am so stunned how TDS has led people to abandon all rational thought. These are individuals who create lies in their mind that aren't validated by facts and hold fast to their lies and call the facts lies.
Isn't it an incredible thing to witness?I agree. It seems like that group in society has become a small minority, which is really interesting to me too. Even though they can see they're being deserted by their flock, they still hold onto that skewed mindset. It's almost as if good is bad, bad is good, and lies are fine as long as it fits the narrative they want to push. It’s fascinating to think about why they continue down this path, even as more people seem to wake up to the truth. Could severe cases of TDS be incurable?
You do know that TDS is a made up thing by the right-wing. It is no different than you you accused us of having HDS or PDS, Hitler and Putin, respectively.
You can ONLY have DS when the subject doesn't deserve the criticisms.
OH! you mean these facts:
Eritrea - MUSLIM
Kyrgyzstan - MUSLIM
Nigeria - Only the majority MUSLIMs were banned
Myanmar - MUSLIM
Sudan - Only the majority MUSLIMs were banned
Tanzania - Only the minority MUSLIMs were banned
Travel Ban 3.0 Countries
Iran - MUSLIM
Libya - MUSLIM
North Korea - non-MUSLIM
Syria - MUSLIM
Venezuela - non-MUSLIM
Yemen - MUSLIM
Somalia - MUSLIM
Now that is how to layout FACTs very clearly. Apparently you were duped by twisted facts.Again, proof this was not based on being a Muslim but on being from a country that didn't properly vet people they sent to the United States.
During this time many Muslims from other countries came to the United States with no problem.
You should give up this Muslim Ban lie. It is very easy to disprove.Boy! When you get it wrong, you go all the way, lol.
December 7, 2015: Trump called for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."
PRESIDENCY.UCSB.EDU
December 8, 2015: In an interview, Trump reiterated his proposal, stating that customs agents or border guards would ask individuals their religion, and if they identified as Muslim, they would be denied entry.
EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG
January 2017: Shortly after his inauguration, Trump signed an executive order banning travel for immigrants from seven Muslim-majority countries and halting the refugee program.
ACLUMICH.ORG
April 30, 2018: When asked about his 2015 proposal, Trump stated there was "no reason to apologize" for his call to ban Muslims from entering the U.S.
CNN.COM
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=youtube+-+Tru … iDffWUjcBAHo hum, your inability to accept facts is getting old.
Here is a fact sheet from the Department of Homeland Security. I suggest you read it carefully.
'Myths vs. Facts
TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS
Pursuant to Executive Order 13780, DHS, along with inter-agency partners, established identity
management, information sharing, and public security risk criteria that all foreign governments must
satisfy to assist the U.S. government in vetting foreign nationals seeking to enter the United States.
For a small amount of countries that lack either the will or the capability to adhere to these criteria,
certain travel restrictions have become necessary to mitigate potential threats. This document seeks
to dispel some of the misinformation circulating regarding these travel restrictions.'
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files … ctions.pdfI can't believe it - you are calling your hero a liar. Amazing!
Isn't it true you will believe anything the right-wing feeds you,
It is true and your TDS is kicking into high gear on this issue.
This was taken by this organization from a government website.
Love how Trump barges on to the airwaves to mention in passing a tragic plane collision with a helicopter but quickly turns it into am ugly profane political speech about diversity.... Someone pull gramps off the stage... Now he's talking about Obama. My god. He is trying to blame DEI policies for this plane collision. Rambling on about all of his theories how this happened when the investigation into this has barely begun... It is beyond sickening how they politicize such a tragedy
Reminds me of Obama going off about police racism when a black man was killed. Long before any investigation had even started, let alone finished.
Part of being a politician, maybe? Blame what you don't like for everything under the sun, whether there was a connection or not.
(Actually, that reminds me of the TDS sufferers, blaming Trump for everything wrong whether a connection or not.)Did you listen to his press conference? Did you find it appropriate to claim the cause of an accident that just happened and has not yet been investigated was due to DEI? I'm not really interested what Clinton did 30 years ago
I don't remember Obama doing that. Are you making that up or do you have evidence. If you provide no evidence, then we can conclude you are making that up.
Also, you seem to be making up the bit about TDS as well since we only blame Trump for things he does wrong - which is a lot!Memory is not always an objective fact.
And more importantly, imagine that Obama killed a man with a gun, and Trump also killed a man with a gun—does Trump's action become justified simply because Obama did the same? Pointing to someone else's wrongdoing does not make one's own actions right.I agree--- blame what suits a narrative. Very common when it comes to politicians.
"blame what suits a narrative"
Such as blaming DEI for an aviation accident? Or was that just simply another "look here not there" from trump? Particularly after he and musk meddled in the FAA /Aviation Safety BoardI didn't realize that, although it is not surprising.
He is clearly a sick, mentally ill, old man who belongs in an institution.
It should come as no surprise to anyone that Trump is Politicizing the sad deaths of the civilians and military who died in the crash at Reagan National airport.
Any sensible person should be outraged at Trump's lowlife behavior, but we all know who is not. They will amplify the lies. That is really sad.
"Trump, without evidence, appears to blame FAA "diversity push" for midair collision["
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/plane- … 6m43l4mc7qCan we ALL agree that Donald Trump is a "sicko" regarding blaming himself and DEI for the crash over the Potomac? After all, he enforced his DEI policies throughout his term and according to him, that caused the accident.
https://www.cnn.com/shorts/events-mw-cn … ideo_entry
How disgusting Trump politicizes people getting killed. But, isn't that the kind of a man a plurality of Americans want the world to see represents America?
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/30/us/video … ion-digvid
Trump is obviously a VERY DANDEROUS and mentally ill man
"Trump steamrolls every principle of aviation safety in wild news conference"
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/30/politics … index.htmlMAGA has gone silent on this one. I think they know it's disgusting but they're sticking with him and musk.
Trump deliberately plunged the FAA into chaos as soon as he took office. Shadow president Musk pushed out the FAA Administrator (because he wanted to impose fines on SpaceX) so the agency was leaderless, Trump fired the entire safety advisory board while he bullied staff to accept buyouts... Yet Trump wants us to believe that there is a minority, somewhere in this, who is completely to blame...Of course they have. I expect nothing less from those who can't defend Trump anymore.
Within days of taking office, Trump immediately fired the heads of TSA and gutted the federal Aviation Security Advisory Committee, which serves as a TSA advisory body. He fired every committee member. The committee has served the TSA since 1989 and was constructed in response to a terrorist attack on Pan Am Flight 103. It will continue to exist, especially since the committee was made permanent through the Aviation Security Stakeholder Participation Act of 2014. However, it will not function because no one can carry out its safety duties.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … &ei=75Notice how quiet the Trump followers are on this issue?
I wonder if the results of the investigation will be withheld? Trump has told the nation that it was most likely due to DEI. Even brought his flunkies, Hegseth and the guy they're calling the VP, out there to repeat the same crap..I hadn't thought about that regarding Hegseth. Presumably they haven't found the Blackhawk's data recorder. But when they do, and it doesn't say DEI is the cause, I suspect Hegseth and Trump will bury it so that the truth doesn't get out.
While not entirely the reason, the information that is coming out is pointing strongly to helicopter pilot error with some unfortunate, but normal tower directions to the regional jet to land on a different runway.
OUTSTANDING
"Trump will impose new tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China on Saturday, White House says
This is the start of TRUMP's inflationary*recessionary cycle. Sorry, America, a plurality of you asked for this debacle.(Unless Lying Trump is Lying to you again, lol.)
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/31/politics … index.htmlLike lobbing and grenade into the auto industry...even worse, will be the price of gas if he includes oil in these tariffs..which he hasn't ruled out. Meanwhile, the Dow has thrown itself off a cliff...
It is "supposed" to be across the board, so oil is part of the bargain.
Was this a promise? He's going to put tariffs on pharmaceuticals...cool? What happened to lowering the grocery prices and ending the war in Ukraine.... Those are really like a distant memory at this point aren't they? Take a listen to this old fool..
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1885442126365773895
Trump says that "people will understand" that prices will go up because of his tariffs to Canada, Mexico, and China.
He campaigned on lowering the price of food and goods, not raising them...
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