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Trump Refuses to Back Down Over Obama's 'Very Strange' Birth

  1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
    OLYHOOCHposted 6 years ago

    Read more on Newsmax.com: Trump Refuses to Back Down Over Obama's 'Very Strange' Birth

    GO DONALD, GO DONALD, GO DONALD. GET-ER-DONE, ONCE AND FOR ALL.

    OLY
    Trump Refuses to Back Down Over Obama's 'Very Strange' Birth
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    Trump Refuses to Back Down Over Obama's 'Very Strange' Birth

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Good for him.
      I just wanna know why Trump didn't speak out about this from the start?

      1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
        OLYHOOCHposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Timing is very important. Now, I don't look for Trump to be President, but, I do think he will get this issue over and done with.

        as far as 2012, your guess is as good as mine.

        OLY

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You're right, timing matters, and money matters too....

          I saw Trump on The View sayin' Obama should reveal the certificate.  Of course Whoopi Goldberg was hopping mad, even started to suggest Trump's a racist.  But she (barely) kept herself in check, didn't even walk out on him.  Reckin his money and stature even made her shut her mouth, and that's quite an accomplishment.

          1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
            OLYHOOCHposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I saw the same show. I was busting a gut.

            OLY

          2. wbfree profile image60
            wbfreeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            What! I'm shocked. Someone actually was successful at getting Whoppi Goldberg to shut her mouth? LOL. What about the Joy Baher woman. Now, that is perhaps the biggest & loudest mouthed woman ever.

            Anyway. It is very strange that for the so-called "first black" president, that not one nurse, or doctor have come forward and boasted that they knew him as a baby, or that they worked at the hospital when he was born, etc.

            Wouldn't the doctor who delivered the "first black president" be all over the news. Wouldn't he/she have written at least one book by now?

            Very strange indeed. The truth will eventually come out, one fine day.

            1. BillyDRitchie profile image60
              BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Well, now to be fair, my ex wife is a labor and delivery nurse and has been for over 22 years.....to expect these people to remember every baby born under their care is a bit extreme.  Not to mention the fact that the doctors and nurses who delivered Obama are either a) Very old or b) taking the eternal celestial dirt nap right now and can be of no use to us anyway.

              I'd be more curious about the claims that no one in Hawaii remembers Obama from pre-school or grade school.....

      2. DTR0005 profile image82
        DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Brenda,
        Trump's an atheist. Are you going to adjust your standards? lolll

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Are you saying Trump's questions as an American citizen aren't credible if he's an atheist?  Hmm.....did you pull that up from your consciousness or from your conscience, I wonder?.....

          1. DTR0005 profile image82
            DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Oh his questions are very credible.. if you wear a tinfoil hat. But the point was this: you have said repeatedly that this is a "Christian" nation founded on "Christian principles," etc. And you have not only questioned Obama's right to be president but his "true faith" on many forums posts bascially accusing him of being what you refer to as "un-Christian" which it typically code language from the looney fringe, in this case, for an Islamist. And though asked many times whether a Jew is fit to be president because a Jew would not be Christian, you have dodged the question. So the question was and still is: how does Trump being  an atheist affect whether you would vote for him? Or is just being a Republican good enough? I mean the question was pretty simple - are you going to adjust your standards in considering Trump as "worthy" because he is not a "good Christian" but apparently a "good Republican?" To spell it ouf simply Brenda, I am trying to see how hyprocritical you really are.

            And rest assured, I sleep well at night - my conscience is squeaky clean. While I am guilty of many things, being a hypocrit is not one of them... I don't hold others to standards I fail to hold myself to.

            1. Jeff Berndt profile image88
              Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              "you have said repeatedly that this is a "Christian" nation founded on "Christian principles,""
              And it always makes me laugh, every time. I swear, the "Christian Nation" crowd claims to revere the founders, but doesn't seem to care about the fact that they deliberately founded a secular government.

              "So the question was and still is: how does Trump being  an atheist affect whether you would vote for him? Or is just being a Republican good enough?"

              You're overlooking what I suspect is the most important difference between Trump and Obama (at least, the most important difference to the radical right).

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              Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Well well.
              To "spell it out simply", per your oh-so-tolerant-and-civil terms,  I've decided to just let you wonder about all that yourself.

              Maybe you can catch me at a later time when I'm more tolerant of explaining my views to someone who's simply "trying to see how hypocritical" I "really am".    Who knows?  It can happen.  You do get a couple points in my estimation for actually coming right out and telling me what your intent is!  lol

              1. DTR0005 profile image82
                DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I wouldn't have expected a less clear answer from you...

    2. bgamall profile image84
      bgamallposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Oly, there were published reports in two newspapers concerning Obama's birth in Hawaii. That is all the proof necessary.

      1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
        OLYHOOCHposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        NO, Hawaii, LOST them, remember. First it was, Yes we have it. Then it was, Well, now we lost them.

        I have every copy of all the BC, they say are real. Not.

        Just lets see how far The Donald runs with this.

        OLY

        1. Flightkeeper profile image73
          Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          What really got me suspicious was that Hawaii's own governor was trying to settle the rumors once and for all and produce the authentic certificate but was told that they couldn't find it in the archives so he basically just said that he wasn't allowed to produce it because it's against the state law.

      2. DannyMaio profile image57
        DannyMaioposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        again 2 line BS! he couldnt register with that for little league! let alone get a drivers licence or passport.

        1. lovemychris profile image80
          lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          And yet, he becomes president of the United States....

          1. Greek One profile image78
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Wait until the Libyans find out Ghadafi was REALLY born in Jordon..  they will finally a reason to get rid of him!

        2. John Holden profile image59
          John Holdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I know, you've told us a million times already lol

          By the way, I asked Oly this and he seemed unable to answer, perhaps you would like to; who are Obama's co-conspirators? You must admit that it would be impossible for one man to hood-wink a nation as mighty as the US.

          1. BillyDRitchie profile image60
            BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Oh, I don't know, the left accuses George Bush of having done it all the time....

            1. John Holden profile image59
              John Holdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              lol lol lol

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              Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              That they do!

          2. Greek One profile image78
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            the majority of American voters

    3. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This is another great foray into the nothingness of issues.  The pricipled Donald Trump rides on his white steed to get to the bottom of this non issue to prove what?  That there are no issues more important to debate Obama on.

      If the Republicans want to take on Obama they should concentrate on the campaign issues and what contrary actions he has taken like the closing of Guantanomo, or the withdrawal of troops completely in Iraq, or maybe the losing efforts in Afghanistan, or maybe the bailouts of wall street without any prosecutions, or the trials of terrorists in the US court system, or etc....................

      The nothingness of the issue perpetrated by Trump and other birthers is just sour grapes and will do nothing to help anybody in this country.  Wake up and see the tactics.  This is only an incendiary ploy to divert his real point is that he is irrelevant and has no new points to make..

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The original question of Obama's eligibility isn't sour grapes; it's the American people asking a legitimate question.  But as for this new round of it by Trump, I am thinking the whole thing of Donald Trump coming into this debate might be just a ploy.   A diversion.   The Left has used those tactics since before Obama got the Nomination.   I dunno if Trump's sincere or not, but he seems to have done quite an about-face over the years.   But whether he's sincere or not, he has provided just what I said----a diversion for the American people to get caught up in, while the progressive machinery that put Obama in Office is still turning its wheels, gearing up for the next onslaught of liberalism to perpetuate upon America.  Goal, I'm sure, to find and delete the power of the Right.   The missing Democrats in Congress are part of that.  They've taken a stand that they know isn't right, yet they got the Unions to attack the Republican part of Congress, calling for a "recall" of them.   I'd almost be willing to bet those Dems are sitting on their couches somewhere laughing at the chaos they've managed to perpetuate.   Just as Obama's laughing at the chaos he has created from the top down.

        1. Greek One profile image78
          Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          hold on.. Trump is the Democrats' idea???

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            Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I dunno if he's the Democrats' idea or not.   What I'm saying is that he's thrown a cog in the wheels of the new-found American resolve of replacing Obama with someone who's unquestionably patriotic and able to restore us to pre-Obama tradition.  And Trump has surely known all along, just like everyone else, what Obama's like.  So why is he now, at this late date, making National news over this?  Is it just because he may make a bid for the Presidency himself?  Or did he just pick the right time, when Obama's popularity is low and people might be apt to question Obama?  No matter what, I think there has to be a better Candidate.  Yet Trump's name by itself carries a lot of weight.

            1. dingdondingdon profile image58
              dingdondingdonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Can we all just join together in a shudder at the thought of Donald Trump as our President.

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                Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I don't know.  That's the point.  I don't even know what policies Trump will try to put in play or where he stands on social issues or anything.

                1. Greek One profile image78
                  Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You mean there is a chance you might even consider voting for Obama over Trump theoretically???

                  http://www.stressbank.com/forum/images/rushmore-trump3.jpg

                  Let's start the carving!!!

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Ha!   No, not even in theory!  I know I won't vote for Obama, unless he actually has a real change of heart on....everything!  And I doubt I'd vote for Trump.
                    America doesn't need just another politician.  We need a strong, decent leader, a Statesman, who doesn't twist the Constitution nor instigate unrest both here and all over the world, someone who will focus on the USA for once instead of trying to be a global king.

        2. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Brenda there is no limit to the chaos that has been created by this issue. Whether one wishes to point a finger at the left to defend the onslaught of crap comming back at the right for the issue there is no point to any of it other than a he said she said argument.

          I merely wish to see the right concentrate on some ideas that have some definite solutions to our problems in this country rather than the high school cliquish tactics they now employ to fight the good fight.  The Republican congress is in power now but has an opportunity to offer up some solutions while defeating any progressive onslaught from taking hold.  We the voters made sure of it.


          The latest fight is the mortgage brokerage rates that will be regulated to put big banks at an advantage over the brokerages.  I am concerned that we are still arguing over the birthing debate and not more important issues such as this.

          1. lovemychris profile image80
            lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Well, their other important issues are:
            Further taking away abortion rights,
            De-funding NPR,
            Ending the right to collectively bargain,
            and bringing up the DADT issue again.

            Frankly, I hope they take up the birth certificate issue in the House....it will stop them from taking away more of our hard-won rights.

            But, I would like to know:

            Mr. Boehner, you got your tax-cuts, now WHERE ARE THE JOBS?

  2. BillyDRitchie profile image60
    BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago

    I'm not a birther, I believe Obama was born in the US (I feel like I always have to say that), but I do not understand why he doesn't just produce the BC and be done with it.

    Usually when people won't produce documentation, it's because they have something to hide.  Obama is solely responsible for whether this fire continues to get stoked or is decidedly put out.

    1. Jeff Berndt profile image88
      Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "but I do not understand why he doesn't just produce the BC and be done with it."

      You don't understand why he doesn't because he has. It's out there. This whole debate is a stupid and pointless waste of time, because the only people still thinking there might be something wrong with Obama's birth certificate are people who are willfully ignoring the fact that his birth certificate has been produced. You can't prove anything to the willfully ignorant.

      1. wbfree profile image60
        wbfreeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That is NOT a birth certificate. It had no time of birth, no foot prints, baby's weight, no doctor's signature, etc.

        Who was the doctor that delivered him?

        This man is hiding something. The truth will come out one way or the other.

        1. bgamall profile image84
          bgamallposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Wrong. There are two reports in two newspapers announcing Obama's birth. That is proof.

          1. wbfree profile image60
            wbfreeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            LOL! LOL! Nice try there, but no cigar! Anyone can put a public announcement of birth in a newspaper. His white grandparents could've had those announcements placed in the paper. Big deal.

            All it proves is that he was born. Haha! we know that.

            Maybe a couple of public announcements in the newspaper and that phony "certificate of live birth" is enough proof for you, but it's not for me and a growing number of Americans. This issue is not going away.

            1. DTR0005 profile image82
              DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You are correct - anyone can put an announcement, a birth announcement, in a newspaper. Now any sane person would ask himself the following: In 1962, what would have been Obama's grandparents or the hospital's motives to publish two false birth announcements in two idependent newspapers? I was not born in Hawaii, but my state does the same thing as far as "birth certificates" go. I don't have my original either, but I do have documentation just like Obama's and news clippings - just like Obama's. I mean seriously - people falsify many things, but birth announcements from almost 50 years ago are not one of them.

              If you buy into this theory, then you buy into the idea that this whole thing was some "planned conspiracy" since his birth. Somehow his parents and grandparents knew that a mixed kid from Hawaii would someday become president.

              Obama's mom had no American passport when he was born. So if he was born in, say Africa, how did she get there without a passport  issued by the US State Department or a visa issued by whatever country he was magically born in? Did she stow away on the plane, did she stow away on a cargo ship? Didn't anyone notice an 18 year- old woman nine months pregnant without a passport? I mean seriously - this "evidence" wouldn't hold up in small claims court. And this is why liberals refer to "birthers" as the "tinfoil hat" crowd. Come on!

              Don't like the guy, vote him out of office in 2012. Write all the vile sh1t you want about him - that's all fair game, but for God's sake, give up this birth certificate crap - it makes you and your kind look ignorant.

              Hillary Clinton comes from a pretty powerful political background. Do you seriously believe that when candidates are running for the nomination to be president that their opponents, on both sides, don't seriously look into their background?

              1. wbfree profile image60
                wbfreeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Wow. You sure do assume a lot. I never said anything about that. I said NOTHING about conspiracy. 

                ANY proud grandparent would put an announcement in the paper simply just because. Don't forget their daughter was UNDER-AGE. 

                You should stop adding to people's opinion, or throwing up "straw men" to give youself an excuse to make it seem as if they said something they didn't.

                1. DTR0005 profile image82
                  DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Maybe a couple of public announcements in the newspaper and that phony "certificate of live birth" is enough proof for you, but it's not for me and a growing number of Americans. This issue is not going away.

                  Your quote. Who's adding the straw man. What you said if that a couple of public announcement and a phony certificate of live birth is proof for some, but it is not to a growing number of Americans.

                  Man, I don't know how I "twisted" what you said - it's your own words.

          2. DannyMaio profile image57
            DannyMaioposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            again a false 2 liner! anyone can put a birth in the paper and the address was the granparents! that is proof. who was the doctor? where is his signature? again if you brought that to get a passport they would turn you down!

        2. Jeff Berndt profile image88
          Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You're posts show that you are deliberately, tenaciously, and willfully ignorant.
          You ignore facts that show the world is different from your view of it.

        3. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          @wbfree

          My son was born in Hawaii and Obamas birth certificate reads the same as his.  The State of Hawaii has endorsed the birth certificate and that should be enough. 

          With the type of hysteria that is exhibited by the birthers it is a wonder anybody can get anything done.

          1. BillyDRitchie profile image60
            BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Why is that?  It's not like Obama is spending any time on it at all.....he should be able to get loads of work done....

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              Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And so he has!
              He has managed to incite conflict among all factions of society with the stroke of a pen and lifting of his chin in audacity.  What a man!

              1. rhamson profile image76
                rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I suggest you come up with a better candidate in the next election.  I would have gladly voted for somebody else had the right offered up a qualified candidate.  The right gave us no choice other than to vote for Obama what with the dribblings of McCain and the ditzy sayings of Palin.

                The problem is the sour grapes by the losers and the lack of constructive effort by them to try and give the country a functioning body to work with.

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Ah, I'd love to.  I know a couple of names who might do good.  But I have no influence in that area.  Matter of fact, the average citizen seems to have no say in the matter whatsoever....

                  1. Greek One profile image78
                    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    The names aren't 'Bristol' and 'Oly', are they??

                  2. rhamson profile image76
                    rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Brenda,  I agree completely and challenge you as well as myself to come up with some method by which we could get someone worthy of the position and stop with this waste of precious time arguing over a stupid birth certificate.

  3. BobbiRant profile image58
    BobbiRantposted 6 years ago

    Hey!  Trump, yes!  What America Needs is a crazy Third World dictator and we Would get that if Trump became President.  He's the 'junk bond' king from the 80's who, himself, should have been jailed.  But, just like Wall Street, the junk bond elite saw no jails. Trump makes for entertainment on the Apprentice shows.  Do I take him Seriously?  Nope!!!

  4. Flightkeeper profile image73
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    Nobody remembers him at the hospital he was supposed to be born in.  Nobody is left alive from that time.  That's odd. They'd be much older by now but they can't all have disappeared.

  5. kirstenblog profile image75
    kirstenblogposted 6 years ago

    Have I stumbled into the movie "Omen"?
    http://www.film4.com/images/the-omen-1976.jpg

    1. Flightkeeper profile image73
      Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, welcome to the world of Obama.

  6. AnnCee profile image69
    AnnCeeposted 6 years ago

    Trump seems sincerely baffled by the mysteries that surround Obama.  He mentions school records too.

    1. wbfree profile image60
      wbfreeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, and like I mentioned before. This man "made history" as being the "first black president".

      It seems that people would be coming out of the woodwork saying that they knew him as a kid. His baby doctor or nurses would have made rounds on the news shows telling their story about knowing the "first black president" or being the neighbor of the "first black president", etc.

      Obama is not that old. It hasn't been THAT long ago. People should still be alive to tell about their experiences. Where are the people?

      1. DTR0005 profile image82
        DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well Obama's pushing 50. I am 45. The doctor who delivered me is long dead as are his nurses. In fact the hospital where I was born no longer exsits. So if the doctor was, say, 45 at the time, he would be approaching 100 years old. In reality, the doctor is likely dead. Nurses would be in their late 70's, early 80's if not older. They are likely gone as well.
        The doctor who delivered my three children told me, when my first was born, that he had delivered around 6500 babies.

        Remember every one, very doubtful...

        1. wbfree profile image60
          wbfreeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yada, yada, yada. Excuse after excuse for Obummer. Yeah.

          Hawaii wasn't that big back in the 1960's.

          1. DTR0005 profile image82
            DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Uh not really an excuse - kind of a reality. I am not sure how old you are, but if you are much over 40 or even hunting 50, the odds that anyone involved in your birth other than maybe your parents still being alive are pretty damn slim - do the math. You finish a medical internship and begin practicing at around 32. The youngest his Obstetrician could be is around 80.

            1. Jeff Berndt profile image88
              Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You're wasting your time arguing with the willfully ignorant.

              1. DannyMaio profile image57
                DannyMaioposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                The same could be said about you. this is the highest job in the country! why spend millions to not show? any normal person would see that clearly! he could not get a passport with what he showed! I think he was probably born here but definitely hiding something to spend millions not to show a 10.00 piece of paper!

      2. DTR0005 profile image82
        DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        http://s1.hubimg.com/u/4822552.jpg



        http://s3.hubimg.com/u/4822554_f248.jpg

        1. wbfree profile image60
          wbfreeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Where's the doctors and nurses around when he was born? Not when he was older in grade school.

          Better yet. Where's the long form birth certificate with the doctor's signature, showing the time he was born, how much he weighted, etc.

          Just produce it and end the so-called "conspiracy". LOL!

          1. DTR0005 profile image82
            DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I photoshopped that Mercury in the background lolll

            http://s4.hubimg.com/u/4822627_f248.jpg

            1. DTR0005 profile image82
              DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              This beach in Hawaii was hard to fake, but by God - I did it!

              http://s2.hubimg.com/u/4822649_f248.jpg

              1. livelonger profile image87
                livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                That's a pretty bad Photoshop job (no offense), considering how different it looks from the original.


                http://s3.hubimg.com/u/4822742_f248.jpg

                1. DTR0005 profile image82
                  DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Man - you ARE good... wink

      3. Maembe profile image61
        Maembeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You know he spent much of his childhood in Indonesia, correct?  Many people have seen him and knew him, even when he was a month old.

  7. profile image0
    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

    Obama may be keeping it secret so he can whip it out right before the next Election, wherein all his liberal followers will shout See I told ya so!   He is a drama queen, after all.
    Or maybe it just takes 3 years to make a really good forgery.....

  8. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

    He's a Republican. He's playing to his base.

    and I DO mean base.

    1. wbfree profile image60
      wbfreeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What?!


      http://s4.hubimg.com/u/4822511_f248.jpg

      Yeah right. O.K. LOL!

      1. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        base:
        below the belt
        touching rock bottom
        lowest of the low
        .....base.

  9. swedal profile image83
    swedalposted 6 years ago

    I hear George W. was really born in Nunavik from Inuit parents.

    George Sr. was on an arctic mission for the CIA when he happened through a Nunavik village. While there he noticed an Inuit tyke just a few hours old. Recognizing that the boy could one day president, senior negotiated a trade of a swiss army knife and a box of frozen German chocolates for the boy.

    Senior then utilized the resources at the CIA to establish the Inuit boy as his very own which allowed the boy to grow up, become President and enact the revenge of the Inuit people upon our nation by firmly lodging the United States economy in the toilet.

    Talk about wanting to see birth certificates....  I want to see W's.

    1. lovemychris profile image80
      lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I also heard that he doesn't have a belly-button. I want a DNA test to see if he's human!

    2. DTR0005 profile image82
      DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Damn... I had heard that rumored, but now that you've written about it and made it part of the Web, it must be true....

  10. Flightkeeper profile image73
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    It's funny how Shiny's fans do all they can to deny the talk about his birth certificate but Shiny makes very little effort to actually settle the whole thing. lol

    1. DTR0005 profile image82
      DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why the hell would he? When you "address" something, you in fact, give it credence. And check out who started the rumor - the last thing you want to do it take that nut fringe seriously.

      1. Jeff Berndt profile image88
        Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You're wasting your time arguing with the willfully ignorant. Willfully ignorant is even worse than stupid. It's an abdication of intelligence. What a waste.

  11. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Obama refuses to back down over Trump's "very strange" hair.

    Barack Obama and a growing number of Americans are questioning what exactly is on Donald Trump's head? He has never adequately explained it. Is it his own hair? Is it a rug? Is it, as has been widely surmised, something he hunted down and killed?

    Why doesn't he just come out and show us, already?
    If it is his real hair, then he can very easily prove that by allowing an unbiased third-party to pull on it in a public forum.
    If it is an artificial hairpiece, you would think he would proudly proclaim it. I mean, if the guy's trying to appeal to the TP crowd, he should be proud of his wig.
    George Washington and the founding fathers were certainly proud of theirs!

    http://www.wondercostumes.com/imgzoom/CC70172.jpg
    (kinda looks like Romney, doesn't he?)

    1. livelonger profile image87
      livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I heard he bought his hairpiece from a furrin' country.

  12. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    You make it sound like he faked the state law to cover up for his inability to find the birth certificate.

  13. Maembe profile image61
    Maembeposted 6 years ago

    I had no idea this website was full of "birfers."  Few things amuse me more than outrageous conspiracy theorists.

    1. livelonger profile image87
      livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They don't tend to publish many Hubs. Most of them are just forum trolls.

    2. Mighty Mom profile image90
      Mighty Momposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Birthers, Birfers, Barfers -- all those conspiracy theorists begin to look the same after awhile!

  14. BillyDRitchie profile image60
    BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago

    Trump brings up an interesting point as well.....namely that nobody seems to remember Obama from grade school or anything like that.  I'd like to think that if one of my schoolmates grew up to be president, I'd at least be able to recall their name, especially one as decidedly unusual as Barack Obama......

    1. Maembe profile image61
      Maembeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      He didn't go to grade school in America.  That was never in question.  Many people remember seeing him when he was a month old in Hawaii however.

      Is there any evidence that Obama's mom has ever even been to Kenya?  Shouldn't they have flight records or something?  Can you even fly internationally with a two-week-old baby?  Why would she have gone to Kenya to have a baby anyway?

      Also, I have a bridge for sale, would you like to purchase it?

      1. BillyDRitchie profile image60
        BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I wasn't aware that I had accused Barack's mother of having been to Kenya....

        1. Maembe profile image61
          Maembeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Are you saying he was birthed by his father?

  15. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

    You forget that the originator of this rumor is a shady character herself.
    She and her husband come up related to a real big conspiracy...
    It's all told here:
    "The Last Circle: Danny Casolaro's Investigation into the Octopus and the PROMIS Software Scandal [Paperback]"

    ..."one of most organized and complex criminal enterprises in the United States"

    1. BillyDRitchie profile image60
      BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      More conspiracy theories, LMC?  Really?  You've been watching too many X-Files episodes.....

      1. dingdondingdon profile image58
        dingdondingdonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Isn't the entire Obama birth certificate racket a conspiracy theory too? Or are conspiracy theories only okay when Republicans believe them?

        1. BillyDRitchie profile image60
          BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Um, no, it's pretty much a fact that he hasn't produced it and seems hell bent on not doing so.  As Trump said, any of us can produce our birth certificate at any time.

          None of us are sure exactly why, although my own personal theory is that the BC lists him as "Caucasian" because his mother was.  Obama doesn't want to lose the title of "First Black President'

          1. PrettyPanther profile image83
            PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            "pretty much a fact"

            big_smile

          2. Maembe profile image61
            Maembeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            He produced his birth certificate.  It has been handled by a third party and photographed from multiple angles as well.  It has also been verified by the state of Hawaii.

            No amount of proof is ever enough for a conspiracy theorist though.

            1. BillyDRitchie profile image60
              BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Let's see it.  If it has been produced, God knows it should be all over the internet..

              Sooo, we're waiting....and waiting, and waiting,.....

  16. readytoescape profile image60
    readytoescapeposted 6 years ago

    As a simple point, ask this question.

    Could the President obtain a driver’s License or state sanctioned ID card as is required by the Real ID Act of 2005, just as all other American are required to do?

  17. AnnCee profile image69
    AnnCeeposted 6 years ago

    When a child is adopted his birth certificate is changed to reflect his new name.

    Obama obviously chose to use the Obama surname.   Perhaps he failed to make the change of name legal.

    I doubt there's anything wrong with calling yourself whatever you want to call yourself, but in this case I'll bet good money his legal name is Soetero and he decided it would just be too damned complicated to deal with it after he became a public figure.

    Messy childhood.

    1. Jeff Berndt profile image88
      Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "When a child is adopted his birth certificate is changed to reflect his new name."

      That's false.

      1. AnnCee profile image69
        AnnCeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Despite your very strong unfounded assertion I will rely on facts.  (Which, by the way, are easily and quickly found nowadays for those who are interested in those pesky things.)



        http://adopting.adoption.com/child/what … ption.html

        Hawaii code in re change of name in adoption.

            §578-13  Change of name.  The court may fix or change the given name and the family name of an adoptive minor child to the name stipulated by the adoptive parents or that name which is in the best interest of the child.

             The court may fix or change the given name and family name of an adoptive individual who is an adult at the time of the filing of the petition for adoption to the name stipulated by the adoptive parents or that name which is in the best interest of the adult. [RL 1945, pt of §12276; am L 1945, c 40, pt of §1; am L 1953, c 115, pt of §1; RL 1955, §331-13; HRS §578-13; am L 1973, c 211, §3(k); am L 1976, c 194, §1(7); am L 1987, c 278, §2]



        Case Notes



          Change of family name is mandatory.  45 H. 69, 361 P.2d 1054.[/b]

        http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurren … 8-0013.htm

        Of course the law may have different at the time of Obama's adoption.  But I doubt it.  big_smile

        1. AnnCee profile image69
          AnnCeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          big_smile   What?

        2. Jeff Berndt profile image88
          Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That's not what you said. You said the kid's birth certificate gets changed. It doesn't.
          The law you quoted says that the kid's name gets changed. There's a difference, and it's pretty big.

          My wife changed her name when we got married. Her birth certificate, however, remains unchanged.

          Reading comprehension FTW.

          1. AnnCee profile image69
            AnnCeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I repeat the birth certificate is changed.  Try to concentrate on the words.


            In most U.S. jurisdictions, at the time the adoption is finalized, the child's name is legally changed, and the court orders the issuance of a new, amended birth certificate for the adopted child. This amended birth certificate:

                * replaces the name(s) of the biological parent(s) with the names of the adoptive parent(s), and
                * replaces the child's birth name with his/her new name.

            The original birth certificate and other documents relating to the adoption are sealed, and are generally not available to parties to the adoption, as detailed in state law in the U.S.


            (from originally cited link)

            1. Jeff Berndt profile image88
              Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              The adoption site you cited says that "In most U.S. jurisdictions, at the time the adoption is finalized, the child's name is legally changed, and the court orders the issuance of a new, amended birth certificate for the adopted child." [emphasis mine]

              That might have given me pause, but you've already done my homework for me, by quoting the law in Hawaii, which says that the kid's name gets changed, but says nothing about the kid's birth certificate being amended. Even if the adoption site is correct about birth certificates being retroactively edited in most jurisdictions, your own work shows that this is not he case in Hawaii, the US state where President Obama was born.

              "Try to concentrate on the words."
              See, it's important to read all the words, and only the words that are present. It's not generally a good idea to pretend that words that aren't there are there. It makes you look silly when people notice that you've made stuff up.

              "I repeat the birth certificate is changed."
              Not in Hawaii, according to the law you yourself cited.
              Keep repeating it if you like. Some might start to believe it. But that won't make it true.

      2. DannyMaio profile image57
        DannyMaioposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIsQJNTv … re=related

        this is a person who actually was adopted  and the same age as obama or barry

  18. Greek One profile image78
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    wow.. it's sad...

    Republicans embracing Trump (or Palin) as a possible presidential candidate is as pathetic as if the Democrats were to back Al Sharpton or Rosie O'Donnell.

    By comparrison, McCain and Dukakis look like they belong on Mount Rushmore

  19. livelonger profile image87
    livelongerposted 6 years ago

    Like a true right-winger, Trump reveals himself to be an utter hypocrite.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/ … icate.html

    "Donald Trump made headlines earlier today when he provided what he said was a copy of his birth certificate -- but a quick check reveals it's actually not an official document. "

    "Trump's mother, it should be noted, was born in Scotland, which is not part of the United States. His plane is registered in the Bahamas, also a foreign country. This fact pattern -- along with the wave of new questions surrounding what he claims is a birth certificate -- raises serious doubts about his eligibility to serve as President of the United States."

    1. Greek One profile image78
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      As his hair was manufactured in Libya, his allegiance to the American forces currently in action in that country are also suspect

      http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00032/trump_pa500_32294t.jpg

      1. livelonger profile image87
        livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Good point. Don't forget that Trump's wife was born in Slovakia, which is a province of Russia right near Bolivia, so he might be a supporter of Chavez.

        1. Greek One profile image78
          Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          which wife number is he on now?

          1. livelonger profile image87
            livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I think on his fifth, since as we all know, Jesus commanded his followers to divorce and remarry as often as possible. He's just doing the Lord's work!

            I hear he's trolling the deepest of Eastern European backwaters for his sixth...

        2. profile image0
          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Nuh-uh!

          You two are just prejudiced 'cause of the color of his sk...I mean, because he is hairstyle-challenged!   Aren't you tolerant of different follicle looks?   If he showed his birth certificate just even once, you should fully accept it as concrete fact, no matter what outlandish ideas he might propose or what his ulterior motives might be!  Don't you know that's now the American way???   Anybody who's rich or famous or a smooth-talkin' community organizer should never have to show any accountability!
          lol  wink

          1. livelonger profile image87
            livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            By "ulterior motive" you mean "funny-sounding name", right?

          2. Greek One profile image78
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Now don't get your feathers all ruffled, Brenda

            http://thedailybail.squarespace.com/storage/trump-hair.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1254796825301

            1. profile image0
              Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              ROFL!
              Oh my.

  20. Maembe profile image61
    Maembeposted 6 years ago

    How was Hubpages able to assemble so many Right wing conspiracy theorists in one place?  It's seriously crazier than hannity.com

    (this post was paid for by George Soros)

 
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