Was 9/11 an Inside job?

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   ahorsebackposted 13 years ago

   And hey ! We can sling the bucket of labeling back and forth forever,  liberal , conservative , I've been called everything! But , what I will never give up on is my love for America , my country.  Try that instead of dissing everything American ! In your quests of developing the newest cool-aid taste for liberal "intellectualism".

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      Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well said, ahorseback, well said!!!!!

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      Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      “Beware of the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry, [who] infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How will I know? For this I have done. And I am Julius Caesar.”
      
      I come from a long line of people who fought to maintain our basic human rights, beginning with a great grandfather who fought as one of Washington's generals at Princeton, Germantown, and Brandywine.  Over 30 grandfathers and uncles fought in the Civil War to free this country of slavery.  My grandfather and uncles fought fiercely in WWII.  My great grandmother was ultimately the truest form of American, for she was a Native American.  I take great pride in my family's undying loyalty to this country, but refuse to confuse loyalty to country as being blind to a corrupt government ruled by greed and murderous intent.
      
      Anyone who fails to demand an accounting on any and all government actions, who fails to monitor its performance is no true patriot.  Love your country, guard your liberties like a jealous lover, and question your leaders if you want to enjoy the United States as it was designed to be.

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         bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Well said. Folks should study Operation Northwoods to see what our military and CIA and leaders are really thinking. Only Kennedy stopped the false flag crime. And that is all declassified information. Proof of a plan to bomb US cities and blame Cuba.

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   MummyTalesposted 13 years ago

   The simple thought that 9/11 could have been an inside job is more scary than anything in this world. It is an answer we will probably never know and I sure hope we never do. Because if it were so, America would go into chaos. There would be no more respect for government or the law if they could do this to their own people.

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      daskittlez69posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Really Mummy?  In the 1950's and 1960's the U.S. Government was testing Agent Orange on people living in Saint Louis, Missouri as well as other places.  Pearl Harbor was deliberate so we would get into the war and out of a depression.  My Grandfather was there and he said most of the ships and all of the aircraft carriers left the day before the attacks.  There is also plenty of evidence that comes from top ranking officials that have similar testimonies.

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         bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Also as I posted above, Operation Northwoods.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

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         bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Operation Northwoods Ralph. Read about the false flag that ONLY KENNEDY STOPPED. The chiefs had already approved it.

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   daskittlez69posted 13 years ago

   I completely agree with that.  The rich only care about getting richer and they know they have enough money to shut others that find out up, or take care of them.  And what is worst 10 people dying or 20 people dying to go in and save the 10.  It is a moral dilemma.  They air on television different investigations some saying it was the planes and others saying there were bombs and a lot of other questionable things about the way the buildings fell down.  One even said there were explosions before the planes hit.  It would be nice if we had a upstanding independent body look into it and decide once and for all what happened.

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      uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      There have been multiple independent and truly reputable groups look into the attack but cults have their own energies, "rationales" and beliefs that give them inertia.

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   Well, so far today, Ive been called a racist homophobic anti-semite, ignorant and ridiculous.
   
   What's not to laugh?

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      Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      See what I mean about the complete myth of freedom of speech I've been called similar names with regard to the homophobic, anti semite and ignorant slur. But the same people also accused me of being an angry man hating lesbian. So there you go, when all opposing arguments collapse resort to sticks and stones

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         lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         It's called gang-stalking Hollie.
         You should google it and read up on it...you will be surprised!
         
         They always have to make it personal....just like the Hasbarats do.
         
         And this whole attack, personal and devious, on Obama is just high-level gang-stalking.
         
         Want to hear something funny?
         These guys at my home site are always saying I live in my mom's basement, drink yoo-hoos and eat twinkies.
         WEll, a hasbarat site has suggestions on what things to say to people, and one of them is "Say they live in a basement"  !!!
         
         It's actually a crime in the United States.....maybe some should take heed.

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            Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Hey LMC,
            I  googled it, found the info and sadly, it does not surprise me at all that this kind of thing does happen. As for Obama, I read somewhere that when he ran for congress, and indeed the Presidency, he never ran a negative campaign. So hopefully, all those dreadful, personal slurs against him will  the deliver the opposite of what his enemies would like to achieve and he will serve a 2nd term in the White House

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               lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Koch and his billionaire buddies have called it a war! A war to beat Obama....and they have plenty of $$ AND the Supremem Bagger Court on their side.
               
               It's the worst of Capitalism and greed I've ever seen. They don't care WHAT they say, WHO they hurt, Whether it's true or not....
               
               While they all get rich outsourcing America, and keep their wealth in foreign banks....so they don't have to pay America.
               
               It's so Vile.
               
               But they push the usual buttons...Socialism, abortion, "class-warfare", and now " muslim terrorist".....
               
               And people who actually like America start to hate her...start to think they are somehow being ripped off by her. They are being ripped off allright,but it's not by America....it's something else.
               
               WHOM they are thinking about electing back into power! It's un believable.IMO

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                  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  It's classic 'divide and rule' strategy. The people fight each other, often due to the amount of misinformation that washes over them. Crafty way to deflect from the real issues. I agree that the Koch cabul has plenty of dollars, and many things (people) in them. But, they still couldn't get that puppet into the White house in 08. Losing their grip, perhaps? Me thinks there's hope. IMO.

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                     lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I hope so too, and I hope one day everyone sees Justice!

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   Alastar Packerposted 13 years ago

   Ask Charlie Sheen, Willie Nelson or Rosie O'Donnell. What do at least two of em have in common?

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      uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      They are Tiger-Mongoose-Warrior-Dragon-Wizards who are WINNING!!!?

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         Alastar Packerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         How in tar-nation did you know mister? Was it I Ching or Tarot?

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            bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You read about this right Alastar?
            
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

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            uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I prefer a little animal cruelty with my divination, I augur goat entrails.

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   Ralph Deedsposted 13 years ago

   Some friends of ours originally from Puerto Rico believe that the CIA and FBI cooperated with corrupt Puerto Rican police to assassinate Puerto Rican supporters of independence for Puerto Rico. They have also expressed suspicion about the official conclusions wrt the assassination of JFK and other similar alleged conspiracies. I think some people are more inclined than others to fall for conspiracy allegations.

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      uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I knew someone who believed that cities were awarded championships based on that cities need for success rather than as the outcome of an athletic contest.  It was said in conjunction with the 1984 World Series.  He said the same thing to me when New Orleans won the Superbowl.

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      bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Ralph here is an account of Operation Northwoods, declassified:
      
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
      
      Wake up sleepyheads.

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   Jokyluposted 13 years ago

   I am not sure but check out http://www.infowars.com/
   
   That will raise some questions.

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   bgamallposted 13 years ago

   Yes, well said. We did actually bring the Taliban into the US in 1997 to Texas as reported by the BBC. However, I don't know much about bringing the terrorists, Al Qaida, into the US. Please clarify.
   
   Also, the fact that the Taliban refused the pipeline to Halliburton investments in the Caspian Sea actually did give Dick Cheney motive for 911, and he had knowledge of the event as well. I believe it was more than a coincidence that in 2000, PNAC, a neocon group with Cheney as a member, reported the need for a "new Pearl Harbor", in order to speed the US into the middle east. Again, I view this as knowledge not as simple wish. Indeed, Operation Northwoods revealed the capability of US leaders to think of doing false flag terrorism against the people of the United States. This was even declassified information and JFK stopped it or it would have happened:
   
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
   
   It is sobering to think that a similar game plan that made up the plan of Northwoods was actually implimented on 911. There are people who need to be prosecuted but likely will never be prosecuted.

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      lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      No--they'll go gang-busters on the Democrat guy, in hopes you will forget about it.
      
      I say Never Forget, OR Forgive!

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   ahorsebackposted 13 years ago

   Do Do dO ,do do do ,do do do ......dod do do !

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      lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Uh huh...go on over to your bud's thread...they are on Obama's tail about Solondrya and fast and Furius.....
      Come tell me about it:
      
      
      dooodeedooodooodoooodeeedooodooo

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    geeeez, that just reminded me of the sermon on the mount!
    
    for every heart that yearns for justice...you will be ??
    
    for every tear that you shed.....you will cry no more....!!!!
    
    I think you are right Hollie. Good always triumphs over evil. No matter the bumpy road.

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       Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       In the end and no matter the bumpy road. We're getting there!

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    CNN has totally embraced the lunatic fringe tea party, the billionaires tea time soirée . Think that would have been possible before 9/11.

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Just came across this: for conspiracy buffs only...The Tin Foil Gang!!
    
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1WqQi1bEtg

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    paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

    Wearing on me and such...

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    Alastar Packerposted 13 years ago

    bgamall, certainly I know about Operation Northwoods and all the rest. Its mostly all out there for any one to find out about.  These kind of things have been going on for at least since the' Maine' explosion in the Spanish-American War. No secret. Most of em are either declassified or admitted.

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    "Mr. Bout´s arrest is directly linked to 9/11, and Mr. Khalezov, because of his unique vantage point as a former member of the Soviet “atomic” and later “nuclear” intelligence says that he knew about the in-built so-called “emergency nuclear demolitions scheme” of the Twin Towers as long back as early 1980´s, while serving in the Soviet Special Control Service."
    
    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Di … _Interview

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    lucieanneposted 13 years ago

    Was 9/11 an inside job? I personally don't believe it was. These are serious accusations that are being bandied about here, and I don't think it's at all healthy for a nation to be divided about something as serious as this. How many of you who support the conspiracy theories actually lost a family member or a loved one on that awful day? Why are you so keen to blame your own people for this atrocity? I'm not an American, I'm British, so to be fair, I don't know a great deal about the politics of your country. However, I'm a human being of average intelligence, with a healthy interest in world affairs.
    None of us agree with (or trust) politicians, but as we live in democratic societies, we are ultimately responsible for who gets voted in. If I were an American, my question would be more on the lines of 'what have we done to piss someone off so badly that they want to break our country and kill thousands of innocent people?' No-one would go to such extreme lengths without having what they would consider a good cause. I for one would love to know WHY, as well as who. George Bush might have been a trigger-happy war-monger, but I don't for one minute believe that he would commit genocide, which is what you are accusing him of.
    The Iraq war was already in the pipeline long before 9/11. Your president, along with his puppet, our prime minister, fed us a load of BS about WMD. Sadam had to be toppled because he was a threat to national security blah blah... It turned out that they were deliberately lying to us. Then immediately after the WTC was attacked George Bush declared war on 'terror' and sent hundreds of your men to their deaths - along with hundreds of ours. Just where exactly is 'terror'? It doesn't just live in Afghanistan, it's on the streets of America and Great Britain, along with countless other countries across the globe. If he had wanted to get Bin Laden he could have done it without bringing your nation to its knees, and dragging ours down with it.
    So I'd be more inclined to thrash out the real reason why some country hates yours so much, then see what could be done to put it right. The trouble is, our nations have made a lot of enemies by sticking their noses into other countries affairs, and it's about time they backed off and left them to their own devices. Just my opinion.

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       earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       A very accurate summary of how it all happened. Our right wing Prime Minister at the time, John Howard sold us the same bull-dust about WMBs and we are still losing young Australian lives as a member of "the willing" as George Bush called us.
       
       America has meddled in the affairs of most of the countries in the world to exploit them, and England, Australia are not far behind.
       
       America has also been one of the worlds greatest advocates for peace and democracy, but others see the state of affairs in America and decide that if this is what American style democracy brings, they can keep it!
       
       We have no effective pain killers in our country courtesy of the useless war on drugs while we watch American kids being arrested then treated like dirt for having a joint.
       
       America has an extreme right wing that puts up candidates for the Presidency who talk in tongues..... literally. One part of America lives off the arms sold to keep these wars in place and have no alternative employment.
       
       Change will come, but not until American can rid itself of the neurotic religious wowsers who infest it's congress.

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    "The Iraq war was already in the pipeline long before 9/11."
    
    Which is why some of us think it had to happen.

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       lucieanneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       So you believe that America attacked it'self because Bush went to war in Iraq? Is that what you're saying? I don't get it. Would you like to elaborate?

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          lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          A shadow group within our gvt and the gvt of Israel, I believe is behind it. They recruited outside sources to help do the deed for them, including many muslims.
          This group I believe are the Project for a New American Century neo-cons, aided by dual-citizen Zionists within our own gvt. And the Bin-Ladens of Saudi Arabia certainly played a part.
          
          They have a plan for Global Domination--with America and Israel as top dog.
          That's what I believe so far.

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    ahorsebackposted 13 years ago

    Once again , with all I'm seeing here ! Do,Do ,Do ,do do do . wow People , get real , has the flouride gotten to ya?!!!!

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    A friend I knew years ago actually thought the whole thing was a ruse to destroy building 7. She said she had worked for some big-time wallstreet guys, and she said they wanted to destroy the information stored in building 7.
    She always said: find out who and what was in that building, and you have the key to the whole thing.

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    ahorsebackposted 13 years ago

    Ok , Lovemychris , you must get a bit  real ! Although you aren't far off in the American-Isreali connection and love affair .The conspira- mentality has to morph into something new. Stop drinking the cool_aid stuff and remember ! The rest of the world hates the freedoms we enjoy  !

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       recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You are wrong here - the rest of the world hates the violence oppression and economic weight that your imaginary freedoms cost THEM.

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          lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          No kidding!
          That has to be the stupidest thing they ever say!
          
          Why would anyone CARE about us and our "freedom"? They just don't want all that "freedom" suppressing them!
          
          Much like their "freedom" suppresses women, gays and minorities.

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    paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

    I have seen this thread for several days....

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    liljen23posted 13 years ago

    If you all did some research, then you will know it was an "inside job". There are a lot of things that doesn't add up. For one, why did it take so long for officials to respond to the attack. The "terrorists" was supposedly planning this the night before, so why didn't they suspect foul play then and let them get on plane with suitcases? It doesn't sound right. Do some research and find out for yourself.

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       Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You should have put "research" in quotes because most conspiracy folks' "research" amounts to reading on the Internet the recycled "research" and wild speculations of other conspiracy aficionados. I say conspiracy aficionados because most conspiracy theorist's beliefs are not likely to be confined to a single conspiracy. For some reason they seem to be susceptible to multiple such theories, almost as if it's a matter of genetic predisposition. I wonder if there's a "suspicion" gene???

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          Moderndayslaveposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Maybe people are looking for the math to work like 1 + 1 = 2, black and white or night and day, Naturally curious or wanting to know exactly why. Not, this is why because I said so. Then contrary evidence is presented and does seem to fit ,like ground level explosions witnessed by FDNY or WTC 7 collapsing due to the failure of 1 column? Shanksville did it crash or was it shot down like Rumsfeld stated? Or did he "Misspeak" again?

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             Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             FDNY did not witness and never claimed to witness any "ground level explosions." WTC 7 collapsed because it was fully involved and unsalvageable. Nobody ever really claimed it was because of the failure of one column.

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Thye are Bush-Lovers, and will never even consider anything other than the Bush Story.
    
    Of course,also being Obama-haters, had he ben prez during 9/11, they would have screamed for his impeachment!

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    EmpressFelicityposted 13 years ago

    I think perhaps instead of asking "was 9/11 an inside job?", we should ask "is our government capable of opportunistically using a tragic and horrific event to further a pre-existing agenda of increased involvement in the Middle East?"
    
    Let's face it, we'll never establish in our lifetimes whether September the 11th was an inside job - maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. As ordinary people, we don't have all the facts at our fingertips. But the existence of organisations like the PNAC which a couple of people here have mentioned certainly points to a pre-existing agenda.
    
    I also think that people make a huge mistake when they focus on one political party and not the other - the fact is that although the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq happened under Bush, Obama has been quite happy to increase the numbers of troops sent out there and basically carry on where Bush left off.

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       Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I agree that Obama seems to be happily continuing the efforts of Bush.  If you trace back through the last 40 years or so, that seems to be the case with quite a few presidents.  There are some obvious differences here and there, but not all that many.  This is one of the aspects of government I've found "curious" for a long time now.
       
       I do believe, at the very least, it was permitted to happen, though there are some interesting points needing to be investigated.  There are several issues that are in conflict with the government being totally responsible as well as those that seem to indicate the government had a hand in it.  The way I see it:  assigning the label of "inside job" for allowing it to occur is just as appropriate as pinning it on the government if they were responsible for the total planning and execution.
       
       If you are in a position to stop a crime before it occurs because of your knowledge of the planned event, and you do nothing to facilitate avoidance or interception, you're guilty of conspiracy to commit.

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          Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Take a look at Clinton then....

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             Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             What exactly is it you want me to look at in relation to Clinton?

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    ahorsebackposted 13 years ago

    Great Point , It seems President Obama has just about taken up with everything Pres. Bush was doing ! Except for the one thing ,just that which you and  I need to hear and be comfortable with .....partison Rhetoric.

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    I wrote a report on aspartame in 2004....for an English class.
    
    Guess who the big-wig was who let Searle introduce aspartame into the food supply?
    
    Donald Rumsfeld. He worked for Ronald Reagan at the time.

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       Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Funny, I put together a hub with the same information.  Rumsfeld seems to be a component to just about anything dark, deceitful, and dangerous to Americans and our well-being.

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          lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, he and Cheney...go back a long way. Together.

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    I watched a documentary the other day about this.
    I am satisfied with the explanations that were provided. After seeing the whole thing it is obvious that people have been selective in their reasoning and political in drawing conclusions.
    
    Many claims I have seen for the conspiracy theory will not stand having light shed on them.
    
    That some Americans believe that their own government engineered this is ridiculous!

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       uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       It is not just Americans who think the attacks of 11 September 2001 were a conspiracy.  It is a world wide phenomenon.  In some parts of the Muslim world it is a conspiracy by the Israelis.

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       recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I think the obvious and manipulative engineering of anti-Muslim hatred and the manner in which 9/11 was used as a 'ridiculous' excuse to attack Iraq says the opposite.  Although I agree it is too far fetched, I cannot agree that it is ridiculous to think that the Bush gang are capable of doing it.

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          earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I am not a fan of the Bush admin, and I don't know what real power any President has when it comes to war. I assume that as chief he would still not be able to do what he did in Iraq on his own.
          
          I saw Australia and England dragged into this disgusting carnage with lies about WMDs.
          
          Bush chummed up with the Australian Prime Minister at the time calling John Howard "A man of steel"
          As a student of Australian politics, it seems Bush should have learned more about metallurgy!

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    Best hope they don't do it again.

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    Deb Welchposted 13 years ago

    Our answers obviously are only speculation and that's the same as heresay as in a court of law - it doesn't hold any weight.  This theory has to be proven by facts beyond a shadow of a doubt.  The US government covers up facts from many events for many different reasons - right or wrong.
    You may even put yourself in jeopardy by voicing your opinions on touchy subjects.  Nonetheless - the American government cannot change human nature, intellect or curiosity of what is just or unjust.

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    schoolgirlforrealposted 13 years ago

    Yes and I've known it for a long time

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Don't know why you get so upset that we don't believe you....I mean, you already won!
    Did you see the recent coverage?
    Why--you would think the truth movement doesn't exist!
    
    Your boys are safe, living the life of luxury at our expense...what's there for you to be upset about?
    
    Just laugh at us and be on your way.
    Tralalala down the yellow brick road.
    
    Bury it under the rug of history, like everything else.
    Manipulated to fit a certain story-line.
    
    Oh--and dont forget:: Get Obama!!!

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    ahorsebackposted 13 years ago

    America  and it's democracy is a nation of Laws. Every act in this country is contractual . Contractual Law is made up of intended rules and  criminal acts are processed according to real and exacting evidence ! I'm not even an attorney but if I had such lightheaded accusations to project I would then have the one thing none of you have shown .....evidence , that OBL slept with Cheney ,that Bush is a Una Bomber.  You cannot twist enough evidence to makes the truth yours.  The world trade center was essentially the UN 's work site. The  victims came from approximately 50 countries ! Why do conspiracy nuts always make these incidents about "Them" somehow. Show the evidence and get away from  your self centered victimhood mentality.

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    SpanStarposted 13 years ago

    I was against that idea that for a long time until last week when I report by I think they said they were "Demoncracy Now."  Man did they put something on my mind.  They talked about until 9/11 no mental building has ever collapse do to fire and they had a fire expert saying it.
    
    The fact that a few weeks before the terrorist attack the owner of the building made sure these building were cover by insurance for the very kind of thing that happened.
    
    The program also reported that the owner of these building turned his million dollar investment of owning these building into billion dollars profit.
    
    That's only some of what they presented to cause me to sit up say "WHAT?"

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       psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Popular Mechanics thoroughly debunked all the 'it couldn't happen' theories.
       
       We know who hijacked the planes, we know who funded them, we know how they destroyed the buildings.  The only mystery is why we attacked Iraq and Afghanistan when the people who funded the attack are in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

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          Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          You got it right.

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    SpanStarposted 13 years ago

    I went looking for Popular Mechanics and their take on 9/11 but what I found was what looks like Popular Mechanics under attack:
    
    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Pop … FORM=VIRE3
    
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/au … hanics.htm

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       Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Here's a better source that shed some light on the Popular Mechanics issues raised by the the video.
       
       "by the spring of 2002, Shaler and his staff of 105 scientists had yet to identify any of the New York hijackers. "I thought we'd never find remains from anyone on the planes," he says. But he promised to try....
       
       "Scientists are still trying. More than seven years later, the effort continues to identify the missing victims—and hijackers. Shaler and his successors have fulfilled at least part of their promise to the families. Through a combination of innovative DNA-mapping techniques, help from the FBI's crime lab and dumb luck, the scientists have now ID'd four of the 10 New York hijackers. The remains of the nine hijackers from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites have also been confirmed; six other hijackers have yet to be identified....
       
       "What's left of the terrorists—which, all told, likely amounts to less than 24 pounds of flesh and bone fragments—are sequestered at undisclosed locations in New York and Virginia. They are "stored as evidence in a refrigerated locker in sealed containers and test tubes," says Richard Kolko, a spokesman for the FBI....
       
       "But the remains of the terrorists stood out. Four of the DNA profiles from the Pennsylvania crash site didn't match material provided by the families of passengers and crew. By simple process of elimination, Smith knew these were the hijackers. He sent the samples back to Miller along with the genetic codes....
       
       "Working with a team of specialists on the third floor of the J. Edgar Hoover building in Washington, D.C., Giusti was in fact already creating DNA profiles of the New York terrorists from scraps of evidence left behind in hotel rooms and rental cars in the days before the attacks...."
       
       
       http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2 … e-day.html
       
       I haven't studied 911 conspiracies, but I suspect there are good answers to most of their wild theories.

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          SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Hello Deed,
          
             This sounds logical and possible.  But I'm not yet ready to give up the idea that foul play isn't afoot.  You know as well as I do that there has been a number of underhanded acts taken place through the years.
          
               Thanks for the clarity of this aspect of 9/11

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             Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I have no doubt that people in the FBI and CIA and the airlines are unwilling to admit they dropped the ball and failed to share information or take appropriate action that might have prevented the 9-11 attack. However, that's a far cry from the government blowing up the buildings and conspiring to blame it on Al Qaida.

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                SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                I guess we'll have to wait and see if and when they provide the truth in the secret files they keep from the public for years, and years later.

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                   Alastar Packerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Has this been "explained" on here yet? The lady reporter announcing the fall of building 7 a fair amount of time before it fell; and with it clearly visibly standing in the background behind her? It could be assumed by the conspiracy nuts the script timing was off a bit. So someone please answer this one so another door can be shut in their faces. PS- Popular Mechanics is not owned by any Hearst type corp. which in history is known as the fore-runner of "Yellow Journalism."

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                      psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      Link?
                      
                      And Popular Mechanics has a pretty damn good reputation, actually. They were motivated mainly by a geekish annoyance at how ignorance of basic engineering the main conspiracy theories were.

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                         Alastar Packerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         So its not owned by any Hearst type corp. is it. Link? I'm asking the question, someone give me a link to it.

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                            Moderndayslaveposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                            Popular Mechanics is not a be all end all.Go through these guy's findings, 
                            http://ae911truth.org/en/home.html
                            http://www.911truth.org/

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                      SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      There are a lot of questions and a lot of answers one has to make up their own mind at this point as to what is the truth.  Those interesting in seeking more information regarding views of 9/11 can check out these websites;
                      
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuJimaumW4
                      
                      http://www.911sharethetruth.com/

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                         Alastar Packerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         Span Star that's very kind and rational of you but look what happened to that outspoken 9-11 truth-er Charlie Sheen. I'm outta here.

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                      lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      The guy who wrote the so-called debunking is related to Chertoff!!!
                      
                      Geeeee, no conflict of interest there.

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    mathewshowerposted 13 years ago

    I'm pretty sure the planes came from outside of the building.

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    "How were the hijackers able to gain access to the cockpit, remove the pilots, and navigate the aircraft to the Pentagon if the Flight Deck Door remained closed?"
    
    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/inde … opic=18405

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    ahorsebackposted 13 years ago

    Just to answer this question , At the time it would have been thoought of by the pilots as a hijacking , not a bombing run!

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    If the pilot door was never opened it was a bombing run, but by who?

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       Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Prior to 9-11, the cockpit of passenger planes was rather easily accessible to passengers.

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    From fire I would assume. Increase in load. The building got heavier. Or was it the weight of the plane. No other steel-frame building in the history of the world before of since, and many far worse have collapsed from fire.

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       Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       LOL- we just brought a steel-frame building down with fire last summer.

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    andrewwilliams63posted 13 years ago

    Personally i think it is what's know as a 'False Flag' excercise, just like the US government was planning against Cuba in operation northwoods
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

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       Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Apparently the CIA and others have perpetrated false flag incidents, but this wasn't the case on 9-11. Why is the truth that it was perpetrated by a group of fanatical fundamentalist Muslims guided by Al Qaida because they resented the stationing of US troops on sacred Muslim soil and our support for Israel? That seems pretty clear to me.

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Was reading just last night, but can't remember where....
    Anyway, not only did Silverstein buy the towers just a short time before 9/11, he had it written in the insurance that if the towers got hit with a terrorist attrack, he would be able to collect on the damage,but not be liable for the remainder of the mortgage! (?)
    
    I was going to paste it, but thought yes, well, the towers were bombed before, so it makes sense he would do that.....But it's also a BIG plus in his favor and that not a month later, he cashes in BIG time....
    
    ....and says "we pulled it".
    
    What Was In Building 7?
    
    http://wtc7.net/background.html
    
    "How curious that on the day of the attack, Guiliani and his entourage set up shop in a different headquarters, abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event."
    
    Yes, another curious happening on that day.

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       Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "Pulling" a building is firefighter jargon for pulling a crew out of a burning structure they can't save, not for demolishing the building.

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          lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          It's also the word used in Las Vegas when they demolish a building they don't want.
          
          
          "The demolition process uses explosives to damage the columns. This explosion, like any, is a sudden expansion of gases. That expansion, when over, leaves a vacuum. The vacuum within the building "pulls" the building into the middle, helping it to implode, not explode all over the surrounding area.
          When a bld is demo'd they might say, "pull it", to mean create that little black hole to suck the build into.
          The pulling action also helps the building to fall faster than it would without assistance."
          
          Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_it_ … z1ZNvx4efX

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    8 million dead - Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos.

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       Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       True, but the so-called "false flag" Gulf of Tonkin incident itself resulted in no lost lives. Of course it was one of the excuses for Johnson's escalation which resulted, as you said in many, many lives lost.

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    Doc Snowposted 13 years ago

    With nearly 500 comments up so far, this may have been pointed out already--but rather a lot of 'answers' about 9/11 can be found in the official report.  The first chapter, "We Have Some Planes," can be read here:
    
    http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/pdf/sec1.pdf
    
    You can get the rest by modifying the URL by hand, or else via Google.

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       Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       The conspiracy theorists aren't very interested in facts.

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    "Actually we were officially taken over in 1913 when the illegal Federal Reserve was instituted"
    Exactly I agree, a secret
    syndicate. To understand America you have to understand that.

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    Maybe oil, gas, world resources, the domination of the Middle East and Asia, and if Iraq hadn't turned into such a mess, they would have went into Iran, all
    in competition with China and socialism.

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    A Little TRUTHposted 13 years ago

    Yes, the military term is “false flag operation”. A common military strategy.
    
    When there is a murder, the investigators look for a motive. Your question involves murder, so let’s look for a motive.
    
    We need to ask: Who benefited from the event? Well, everyone knows the difference in life on earth before and after 9/11. With the resulting Patriot Act, the US government and police now can essentially search, seize, and detain at will, the airports have x-ray vision scanners, etc. Who benefits from this? The US government and/or those in control of it. Don’t say the people want this, because they only want it AFTER 9/11 occurred.
    
    Do we have a motive?
    
    Do we have a suspect?
    
    Conditioning: When I watched the first building come down real time on TV, I said “Wow, it must have taken months for somebody to sneak in nightly and plant all those charges”. I am an engineer, and the fall was obviously a planned demolition. For weeks, I was glued to the TV news, just like everybody else. I came to believe the official story – the conditioning was that good.
    
    I later came to my senses, using a little logic. My favorite bit of logic is this: The official story says the heat from the flames weakened the steel, and caused the collapse under the weight. But the flames were orange-yellow for a minute or so, then lots of black smoke. Orange-yellow flames indicates a temperature of around 750 deg F. Makes sense, jet fuel, gasoline burns at about that temperature. Black smoke indicates an incomplete burn, not enough air, with cooler temps. It takes thousands of degrees to weaken steel.
    
    Think of it this way: Your gas stove has a blue flame – much hotter than yellow-orange flames. You can put a steel pot on the stove for hours. does it get weak? Could you bend it any easier than if it was cold?
    Not to mention the collapse of Building 7.
    
    Due to my experience, I can understand how so many people can be lead to believe the official story, and even campaign for it. They are like “the lady in the red dress” in “The Matrix”.

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       Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       thank you, thank you!  There's just so much nonsense going on with people thinking it couldn't possibly have happened in OUR country.  I watched the fall in real time, just as you.  I'm NOT an engineer, but thought there was no way it could fall like that.  I had just watched a television show that showed controlled demolitions and how they are accomplished..only weeks before 9/11.  I felt like I was watching a rerun!  And the comparison to cooking with a steel pot was ingenius!  I'm so upset that I didn't think of it first.  I'm really slipping!

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          A Little TRUTHposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I cheated, I saw the pot illustration on one of those multitutes of 9/11 truth type documentaries, but it's something that everyone can relate to.

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          earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Your both slipping. That pot would be full of water right?
          I'm happy with the explanation I saw, and logic tells me that every level that collapses contributes to the downforce to a degree where the building would collapse on itself and fall straight down as it did from the increasing forces.

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             Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Just so you know, much to my embarrassment, I'm not always the best cook in the world.  Sometimes I forget I have something on the stove..dangerous, I know.  Not so very long ago, I had broth on the stove, and getting ready to add vegetables, but got side tracked, forgot about it, and fell asleep.  I woke up hours later, my entire house filled with a black smoke so that I had to crawl to open a window.  The pot was still as perfect as when I had filled it and placed it on the stove.  Except it was coated with burnt grease.  No melting, no warping.  It wasn't even glowing red.

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                John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Erm, so what? How did this thread become cookery based?

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                   Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   He was implying that water would have had to be in the pot and that's why it didn't melt.  I have first hand experience that such a thing isn't true.  My pot would have melted into a lump for all the hours it sat over the heat without anything in it...according to his implied view.  Read the whole thread.

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       Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Black smoke also can indicate a confined, oxygen-starved fire at risk for flashover.

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    "Prince Sultan’s father’s legal counsel is William Jeffress Jr, of Houston-based Baker Botts LLP, where James A. Baker III, longstanding advisor to the Bush family, including both Presidents Bush, is a senior partner.  At the time of the 9/11 attacks, Baker held the post of Senior Counselor for the Carlyle Group, aglobal asset management firm which is heavily invested in military contracting stocks; among Carlyle’s large investors were the bin Ladens. (In a curious coincidence, Baker watched the live television coverage of the attacks from the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Washington, where he and representatives of Osama bin Laden‘s extended family were attending the Carlyle Group’s annual conference. In another odd coincidence, President George W. Bush himself was in Sarasota, reading to schoolchildren, at the very time the Sarasota-area-based terrorists were hijacking the planes. Indeed, he was a short distance from the home the Ghazzawis had recently abandoned.)
    
    President Bush’s actions in the aftermath of the World Trade Center and Pentagon assaults with regard to the Saudi royal family have long been known but have yet to be fully explored. Shortly after the attacks, President Bush permitted an exception to the ban on air traffic so that planes could take prominent Saudis out of the country. One of those leaving on the flights was the late Prince Ahmed bin Salman, brother of Prince Sultan."
    
    http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2011/09/ … hijackers/
    *****
    
    This whole story has yet to be fully revealed......anyone know why Dubai is "the new playground of the rich"? I wonder if it connects? Cause Cheney sure is invested there. We have a No extradition treaty with the United Arab Emerites?...and Israel too? And S. America?-------escape?
    
    It's only a matter of time before it all comes tumbling down.

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    author James Risen. As Risen wrote in his book State of War,
    
    "Ever since the September 11 attacks, the trail back from al Qaeda to Saudi Arabia has been an intriguing path, but one that very few American investigators have been willing to follow. . . . [b]oth before and after 9/11, President Bush and his administration have displayed a remarkable lack of interest in aggressively examining the connections between Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda, and the Saudi power elite. Even as the Bush administration spent enormous time and energy trying in vain to prove connections between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden in order to help justify the war in Iraq, the administration was ignoring far more conclusive ties with Saudi Arabia. Those links are much stronger and far more troubling than has ever been previously disclosed, and until they are thoroughly investigated, the roots of Al Qaeda’s power, and the full story of 9/11, will never be known."
    
    Even Oliver North once said that whenever the trail lead to Saudi Arabia, they were told to back off!
    
    "By Lee Fang on Feb 10, 2010 at 9:35 am
    
    Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal owns a 7 percent stake in News Corp — the parent company of Fox News — making him the largest shareholder outside the family of News Corp CEO Rupert Murdoch. Alwaleed has grown close with the Murdoch enterprise, recently endorsing James Murdoch to succeed his father and creating a content-sharing agreement with Fox News for his own media conglomerate, Rotana."
    
    It's such a mess! As Saud Arabia is THE promoter of Wahabi......why are we friends?   
    Keep digging experts! And we need to keep an open mind and take ALL with a grain of salt! IMO IMO
    
    The truth WILL out!

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Cripes!! Following up on something I read year ago:
    
    'In the 1960's the "Sawt Al Arab" Broadcasting Station in Cairo, Egypt, and the Yemen Broadcasting Station in Sana'a confirmed the Jewish Ancestry of the Saudi Family.
    
    King Faisal Al-Saud at that time could not deny his family's kindred with the Jews when he declared to the Washington Post on Sept. 17, 1969 stating: "We, The Saudi family, are cousins of the Jews: we entirely disagree with any Arab or Muslem Authority which shows any antagonism to the Jews; but we must live together with them in peace. Our country (Arabia) is the Fountain head from where the first Jew sprang, and his descendants spread out all over the world." That was the declaration of King Faisal AL-Saud Bin Abdul Aziz! '
    
    Read more...
    
    http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/brid … story.html
    
    Then this: Ghaddafi's mother is Jewish
    
    http://israelinsider.net/profiles/blogs … ndma-and-a
    
    See what it's like in my mind?

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    Longhunterposted 13 years ago

    Whether you agree or disagree with the 9.11 conspiracy, here's a new link your your review and consideration.
    
    http://news.yahoo.com/twin-tower-collap … 04097.html

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