Was 9/11 an Inside job?

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JJin26posted 13 years ago

With the 10 year anniversary of one of the worst attacks on American soil and with very little answers as to how 19 hijacker can take over 4 commercial airliners and make NORAD stand down from sending jets to intercept the planes. My question is do you think 9/11 was an inside job?
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  magodisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I feel YES, when I see the consequences
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  vox vocisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes
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  Johnjfernandoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. Take a look at what Jesse Ventura says about it or youtube 'loosechange'. Those two have a lot to say on the matter.
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  rus-leelaratneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I don't think so and why should it be? I bet the answers are known by the authorities, but why should they tell the whole world about it, compromising security. As far as lessons are learned and necessary positive actions are taken from the findings, I am okay with that.
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They compromise their own necks by telling the truth. It has nothing to do with security. Imploding buildings require explosives, just like in Las Vegas.
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  Brie Hoffmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's right, no way that a building can come down in 9 seconds without explosives.
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  SOEposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, thanks for exposing your true intentions on starting a over-discussed debate all for the purpose of seeing some profits through your hub. You make me sick, excuse me while I go vomit.
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @SOE Go piss on a flat rock buddy
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  American Viewposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  SOE,
  
  Truth is that is all the truthers are.people who are clueless going on the lecture circuit saying anything they want, claiming all kinds of false credentials, simply to make money. And of course Bush haters bought it hook line and sinker
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I asked a friend, a retired Army Ranger and Vietnam Veteran "Lerp", if he could have planned and executed such a take over of four jets with just 19 men. He said, "It was a modest operation. Could do more with less, if given the right equipment, planning and motivation."
  
  15 SEALS in four boats faked an amphibious landing during the Gulf War convincing the Iraqis that there was at least a battalions strength landing.
  
  Small SEAL teams launch bold raids all the time.
  http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/nationwor … -searches/
  
  MORE INSIDE JOBS?
  http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/ … raids.html
  
  Training, preparation, coordination, operational discipline and motivation are all that is required to launch an attack. The passengers on those planes were told there were bombs on board. Flight 93 went down because the passenger knew there was no bomb - it still killed everyone aboard.
  
  What would have happened today if passengers rushed someone threatening the plane and beat them to death(justifiable, I would say)
  
  We have been told to cooperate with hijackers, hostage takers, etc.... Bad advice - that is for you to decide.
  
  I know one thing, if a man is serious enough about destruction he can and will accomplish it if given the time and resources.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately, that's true. It's happened quite a few times in our country's history, starting with Booth's assassination of Lincoln.
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  Brie Hoffmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, we actually agree on ONE THING! I can't believe it!
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @uncorrectedvision Flight 93 is the biggest mystery to me aside from building 7 and how the world trade towers came down. No one talks about how that plane crash with no passagers surviving or no black box, I mean it a total black out when it comes that.
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  American Viewposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Read my articles
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  Brie Hoffmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They shot it down
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  daskittlez69posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I believe it was. It was more than likely another Pearl Harbor. Every time there is a wartime President they get reelected. Not too mention that Bin Laden said himself that he had nothing to do with the attacks. Personally if I was an extremist and I used box knife's to attack and pummel one of the greatest countries in the world with all of their technological superiority, then I would want to be on the front page of every paper saying "this is what I did". Whether this was Bush's idea or his Daddy's friends who pulled the strings is another question.
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @daskittlez69 Totally agree
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yes.. an inside job... formulated and carried out inside Al-Qaeda
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  LhouvieBlueposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was not there so I can't really say it. But weather is an inside job or not it won't matter at all. They can never bring back the lives of those who died during that time!
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @LhouvieBlue Very true but the real reason why this question has to be asked is, if it is an inside job and they really needed a reason to go into Afghanistan and iraq and all these other place. If they could that and get away with it, what else would they try to set there agenda.
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  jj0466posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure if it was or not, but I remember watching a documentary with a physics professor explaining that he thought it was. The professor thought that a bomb was planted on a lower level or something because of the rate of the building collapsing...it was an interesting theory.
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  Zubair Ahmedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There is no doubt that 911 was a inside job. There is just to many inconsistencies in the whole story fed to us by the government and biased US media for it not to be an inside job.
  
  Just think for a moment - a director/producer with a few millions dollars in his hand can out together films that defy belief what do you think the filthy rich US business men and greedy politicians can do with hands on the controls of power.
  
  This has gone on for generations where power brokers - in order to maintain there power base and hoard more wealth have politicised certain issues and have used war as a way of diverting attention from the real crimes that they undertake.
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  paradigmsearchposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  NO!
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  paradigmsearchposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I thought we had addressed this.
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  2besureposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't put anything past Cheney!
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  Shinkickerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I can't decide if it was an inside job but it's not that fantastical a notion. The Gulf of Tonkin attack was a fictitious fraud that allowed the Vietnam invasion. Operation Northwoods in the 1960's posited the scenario of hi-jacked planes. Except this was the CIA planning to commit terrorist atrocities and blaming it on Cuba.
  
  No 9/11 smoking gun but certainly the official account raises many questions. One of the most curious concerns the 3rd building to fall. World Trade Centre 7, The Saloman Brothers Building. It's not even mentioned in the official enquiry into 9/11.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Gulf of Tonkin attack was a fictitious fraud."
  
  True, but not nearly as complex and harmful to Americans as 9-11. As I recall it was just a big lie used to justify escalation of our warfare in Vietnam.
  
  The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for deploying U.S. conventional forces and the commencement of open warfare against North Vietnam.
  
  In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded[7] that the Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese Navy on August 2, but that there may not have been any North Vietnamese Naval vessels present during the incident of August 4. The report stated:
  
  It is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night. [...] In truth, Hanoi's navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2.[8]
  
  (Wikipedia)
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  A Little TRUTHposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As far as I’m concerned, anyone who worked in the twin towers, but just happened to not be there on that day, is a suspect. Why not follow the new rules of the Patriot Act, round them all up and detain them until this whole thing can be sorted out? Yeah, you’ll have some innocent people detained, but probably less percentage than the current justice system.
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  zduckmanposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The answer is an overwhelming YES. The evidence proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the official story is a lie. Send the two videos below to anyone who needs more facts.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3POeE9b1SE
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT-2fenmLnc
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Moderndayslaveposted 13 years ago
This and the others is who this is for.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/03 … d-justice/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/07 … ou-to-see/
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Holmes221bposted 13 years ago
What is the modern obsession with conspiracy theories? The attacks were the work of terrorists, who had been deluded into believing that they had a place in paradise awaiting them for killing innocent people. To turn the attention away from those who committed and would still commit such evil acts, would seem to let them off the hook.
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  Moderndayslaveposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And how much did you look into this? Just what the media told you?
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @Holmes221b Really Holmes you also must believe that osama bin laden was actually killed in pakastan by navy seals. Those same navy seals came home in a body bag a month ago. And to make things clear I'm not a com piracy theorist, i'm just a firm believer that people should question everything that the government says, kinda like you would a used car sales man who wants nothing more then to just make money buy selling you the biggest pile of crap on the lot. Remember theres nothing wrong with asking questions.
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  Beferyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You must always ask questions(especially where the government is concerned); because there is no such thing as a dumb question, but there are stupid, incredibly lame, unfactual, impractical, and ridiculous answers.
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Holmes, I have another conspiracy for you, that the housing bubble was preplanned and that they, mainly just Republicans this time, are planning another one down the road, perhaps before 2020.
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Jeff Berndtposted 13 years ago
There are a lot of unanswered questions, and I'd love to have answers for them.

But until there's actual evidence of wrongdoing, I'm not going to be throwing around accusations of treason.

W and his administration were certainly opportunistic, possibly corrupt, and probably incompetent, but I don't believe even Dick Cheney capable of colluding in the 9/11 attacks. They were bad for America, but they weren't actually evil.
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @Jeff Actually Dick cheney was the primary person who told NORAD to stand down from send fighter jets to intercept those planes. Believe me guy, if i had to say cheney knew more about the event then George W bush. That came out in the in the Morman Mineta's testmony of the 9/11 commission. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfra6Xtsh9A
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  Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Dick cheney was the primary person who told NORAD to stand down from send fighter jets to intercept those planes"
  
  Sure but why did he do that? There are several possibilities:
  
  1) He wanted the attacks to succeed.
  2) He was afraid that shooting down the jetliners would either
  a) cause even worse damage and greater loss of life, spread out over a greater area of Manhattan
  b) freak everyone out and destabilize the country--the USA is shooting down passenger planes!
  c) or both
  3) He knew that those pilots would have to choose between potentially disobeying an order to shoot down an unarmed civilian airliner, or following that order and becoming the pilot who shot down an unarmed civilian airliner.
  
  Ordering the fighters to stand down isn't by itself evidence of wrongdoing or evil intent.
  
  (Jeez, this is me defending Dick friggin' Cheney over here. Can you believe this?)
  
  I'd be more interested in an investigation of whether and why family members of Osama Bin Laden were allowed to leave US territory before other non-military flights were allowed in the air.
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @Jeff I was about to ask you why you where defending cheney there. lol The purpose of the fighter jets is primarily to shot down craft but it also there job to communicate with the pilots as to what going on on board. We learned nothing because our vice president at the time made no attempt to see or know what was going on which in my opinion make him war criminal and a traitor to this country because he help aid the so called terrorist in there plot. But hey we all know cheney never had a heart to begin with. Also why was the bin laden family allowed to leave especially the worst attacks in US history just accured? to many bloody questions with no answers. I dont believe the official story and neither should anyone if you have doubts.
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  daskittlez69posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Here is a better question. Why was the Bin Laden family in the White House during 9/11? Also, why was a US intelligence agency (the National Reconnaissance Office or NRO) all set for an exercise at 9 AM on September 11th in which an aircraft would crash into one of its buildings near Washington, DC.
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  Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They weren't.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds logical to me!
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  S Leretsehposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Without the mock terrorist drill taking place on 9-11, no planes could hv reached their targets. Stroke of luck a TRILLION to ONE coincidence for the terrorist?
  http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html
  
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There was also a mock drill taking place in Madrid on 7/7.
  
  http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? … mp;aid=821
  
  And remember that odd incident on a lake....Obama was on a boat,and there was a missile threat, or something......they said, (once again): "We were staging a mock incident"!!!!
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  American Viewposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Did you even watch the video, Cheney said no such thing Minetta never says anything like that Get real. At least use a video that slightly backs your opinion, not one that does not back anything you say
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Amen. Conspiracy theories and urban legends are a dime a dozen.
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then explain, Ralph, why the Taliban went to Texas in 1997, reported only by the BBC for the most part? Why did they reject the pipeline to Halliburton investments in the Caspian Sea and refuse to work with Unocal and what were the consequences? The motive for Cheney to get that pipeline was his main reason for running for vice president.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't have the faintest idea. Why don't you explain?
  
  Here's what I consider to be a factual and rational explanation on who was responsible for the 9-11 attacks.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibi … 11_attacks
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Taliban went to Texas in 1997. They refused to build the pipeline to Haliburton investments in the Caspian Sea. That gave Cheney a massive desire to enter Afghanistan and go to war.
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  American Viewposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Taliban never went to Texas. We went down this road before and you still want to spout phony stories. Guess some never change their spots
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You are denying the BBC article? And you have no proof. You never have proof. Also the Telegraph reported the Taliban visit to Texas as well.
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  Brie Hoffmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Did I miss something, I thought Ralph didn't believe the government story? If so I take back what I said earlier.
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Gordon Hamiltonposted 13 years ago
I think that your question is wholly and entirely disrespectful at this time.

What are you looking for - SEO???

Please, above all, a bit of respect and decorum to the fallen, above all else...
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @Gordon Really my question is disrespectful in what way? It a simple question if you believe it or not, what disrespectful is to have a government who tells you the sky is red when its really blue and to have constant lie after lie after lie. No gordon this is not a disrespectful question when millions have died over sea for political gain over this tragedy and politicians still use it as a means to set agendas. So do your self a favor answer the question or just stay quiet.
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  Gordon Hamiltonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  JJSin26
  
  Please read my comment in full and don't skim it. I don't mind answering well thought out answers but not knee jerk reactions.
  
  The answer to your question to me is in my original post...
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Operation Northwoods was the blueprint for this attack, and the declassified info shows that JFK stopped the join chiefs from attacking American cities and blaming it on Cuba. Read it and weap for your nation.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And hear I thought an episode of "Lone Gunmen" was the inspiration for the attacks.
  
  Allah knows that Al Qaeda couldn't possibly be smart enough or resourceful enough to plan and execute such a simple operation.
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are incredibly cryptic, uncorrected. That cryptic mumbling gets you nowhere. Actually, 911 was terribly complex, and so was the plan for Operation Northwoods.
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  Nick Lucasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree that this question is disrespectful and ridiculous...after 10 years of other attempted attacks those who comitted the act are clear........
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  Brie Hoffmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  True...THE GOVERNMENT!
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How is the question disrespectful on any day? If I had a brother killed on 911 I would want to know who did it and I would have yelled in Bush's murderous face on the anniversary.
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  American Viewposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Really, who and where? funny that has never come out in any conversation on this subject before. I was there, you do not want answers because you just want to believe what you want . You are a Bush Hater and therfore Bush did it. To bad you did not have the ability to look at what an operation like this would entail. Even you just said this would have been a complex plan to pull off. Do you think Bush was that smart? He would not be based on your prior posts on Bush
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Bush didn't have to do anything but let it happen.
  
  Why you think he had to get elected?
  
  They already tried the "regime change" thing with Clinton....he wasn't buying.
  
  oh, and all you lovely people who love to throw around the hate word..let's see how you like it, shall we!
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, I supported Bush until I found out he was a lying, murdering degenerate. It was because I was fooled like you still are that I despise everything about him.
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  Brie Hoffmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Me too, voted for him the first time..abstained the second because of the illegitimate war in Iraq and found out about him 3 1/2 years ago...he's one evil man!
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you like this latest hup forum topic read my latest blog on 9/11 http://jjin26.hubpages.com/hub/911-Truth
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Holmes221bposted 13 years ago
I remember the look of shock on the face of President Bush, when informed of the attacks, whilst attending the reading day at the school. I also remember how no one seemed to know what to do afterwards, when the President was kept in the air, with no one knowing if he should return to Washington. If this had been planned, then it wasn't done very well. This kind of thinking is similar to that, which insists the governments of the world are in contact with aliens, or that the Roswell balloon was really a crashed spacecraft. The events of 9/11 were horrific enough without trying to make them into something they were not.
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No Bush's natural reaction if he didn't know would have been ANGER. Again, the Taliban went to Texas in 1997. Read it and weap for your nation. The BBC, a foreign news agency, reported it. The AP said it did but I don't see it anymore.
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  Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've seen the clip where he was informed, many times over. It looked to me like he was indifferent...sort of a thoughtful indifference like he was weighing what it might mean to him and then decided it wasn't worth reacting. That was my first inkling that something was not quite right.
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  TamCorposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Isn't it funny how so many people can see the look on Pres. Bush's face that day, and interpret it differently?
  
  My husband and I both said he looked stunned or shocked, not indifferent at all--I don't see how you could even think that. But while I know that the ones who like him might agree with us, those who don't, never will.
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Respectfully, Terri, if your child had been in that classroom, would you have wanted him to jump up and run from the room?
  
  Take a look at his 9-11 interview if you haven't already and see if you come back with the same conclusion. I don't think it was thoughtful indifference but rather shock then a calm, measured response that wouldn't scare those kids to death.
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  TamCorposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly.
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  Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @TamCor & Longhunter: No, of course I would not expect him to jump up and run. That wouldn't have helped anything. But perhaps excuse himself for a few moments to issue some orders and get details, do something that looked as though he was intending on handling it. And then maybe go back to finish the story. Letting everything just wait until he was done???Seems to me like he already had issued his instructions PRIOR to being told "mission accomplished".
  
  I was not a Bush hater. I thought he was hilarious to watch. I NEVER thought he was in charge of this country but a mere figurehead. So there was no reason to hate him. I've seen his interview many many times. I watched the coverage from the moment right before the 2nd plane crashed. My daughter was a Marine staff sergeant in communications. I knew it meant war and I was worried for her. I find it very revealing that you can read my comment and interpret it to mean I didn't like him. How is a different opinion of an observation connected to liking or disliking him as a man or president?
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I looked back at my comments and saw nothing that said I thought you disliked Bush. Frankly, I've noted that your comments have been measured and factual. I didn't get the impression you liked or disliked Bush.
  
  In his interview, Bush said he knew of the first plane going into one of the first tower prior to going into the classroom but it wasn't known it had been a jetliner. The thought was it had been one of the many sightseeing planes that fly around the city. He'd told his people to provide help for whatever was needed then went in with the children.
  
  I want to thank your daughter for her service as well as your family. A soldier never serves alone and I can only imagine the worry you must have felt on that day. I have a nephew that intends to join the Marines once he graduates high school. We've discussed the dangers he'll face and he still wants to go so we'll support him in that decision.
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  Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  sorry, I lumped you and Tamcor together...not a very good thing to do, I guess. I was sort of in a hurry. Again, sorry.
  
  As for Bush knowing about the plane...in the very first interview with him after the events, Bush stated that he saw the first plane hit the towers and ... That is one of the things that has fueled the controversy of whether it was inside or not. There was no way he could have seen the first plane before going into the classroom. The only clip is from an independent film crew in NY doing a project. They just happened to film it. The clip was not given to news stations for quite some time. There was no way Bush could have seen it. Innocent misstatement? or a more telling slip of the tongue?
  
  As for my daughter: she had planned to make a career with the Marines. She's a Barbie doll type of girl with an iron will and stamina to match any man. She itched to get on a tour. They wouldn't let her because they "needed" her stateside. She had 150 soldiers she instructed in communications. Eventually, she was there but she says she can not discuss it..classified. She left the marines after only 10 years. She will not talk about what she saw, but she claims that what went on and what she saw taking place would not be believed by Americans. She refused to be a part of it. She refused to re-up. She will not give anything away, but in her own way she's telling me it's an illegal war. I believe my daughter. We have a long line of soldiering in our family that goes back to the Revolution. She's very proud of that.
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wildernessposted 13 years ago
There is little doubt that it was an inside job, but not the way you seem to think.

The aliens that have been dealing with the KBG for the last 30 years knew exactly what they were doing when they controlled those planes remotely. We did not scramble interception jets because we knew very well the mother ship would simply suck them up for additional probing exercises.
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @wilderness That little bit more then I can believe but I do think more should have done to avoid something so tragic.
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  SimeyCposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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  ThoughtSandwichesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps the biggest thing that surprises me by this forum thread...none of the typical die-hard conservatives are blaming President Obama for the attack. My O my...that is very refreshing.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Of course they cannot. It would be foolishness to attempt to.
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @thoughtsandwiches Obama was even a thought back in 2001. But I must admit if the people really responsible for these attacks planned it and even stage other events for obama to be president.
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ThoughtSandwichesposted 13 years ago
Oh I know that Cag...but I also know that the biggest economic crash this nation has been in since the Great Depression occurred during the Republican Administration of George W. Bush and yet...to hear it bandied about here...Mr. Bush played no role...it was all President Obama.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  All of the past Presidents had a hand in it, to some extent. America hasn't been on the right for a long time, almost since the inception of America.
  
  To blame just ONE President for it, when so many factors are involved is blatant ignorance on behalf of the people.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting comment:
  
  "The USA was taken over by a coup on November 22, 1963, and the same group of criminals that ran it then, run it now."
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  handymanbillposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Huh Who Johnson and the Democrats???? What drugs are you taking we the people vote people into office or out of office. What country do you live in. This is America we still have some control.
  It was not an inside job. WHY who would gain. NOBODY.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey LMC, only conspiracy theorists would think of things like that. It would not be true, considering America has been screwed up since it's inception.
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  daskittlez69posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The one that LBJ killed Kennedy?
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Let' go further back than that....
  
  "The reason for the plot was the election of President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR), a member of the same ruling circles as the cabal itself. March 5, 1933--the day after his inauguration--FDR embargoed the export of gold and declared a national bank holiday. He told the "Hundred Days Congress" to enact a New Deal into law. In striving against the Depression, FDR awakened hope in the American people, but he appalled bankers and industrialists. Who would pay for this New Deal? The rich feared changes to the US system of finance, a rise in taxes, possibly even (Heaven forbid!) socialism."
  
  What? Fear of Socialism you say? Rise in taxes you say?
  
  Gee, now that's familiar.
  "soldiers fighting for our freedom" "god in schools" "christian nation"....blah blah blah. It's SO old. And stale and rigid. And it's one big lie.
  
  I aint buyin. Like the old 70's song: She's come undone. The story doesn't work anymore.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Illuminati?
  The Bilderbergers?
  The Rosicrucians?
  The Free Masons?
  The Knights Templar?
  The CFR?
  The Trilateral Commission?
  The Vril Society?
  Skull and Bones?
  Bohemian Grove?
  The Reptillians?
  The Grays?
  The IMF?
  MIBs?
  The Denver Airport?
  DARPA?
  HAARP?
  The Montauk Project?
  Chemtrails?
  MK Ultra?
  Majestic 12?
  Fomenko-Nosovsky Chronology?
  
  FLOURIDE!?!?!?
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You forgot the Knights of Malta, of which W, HW and Jeb are members.
  here: CHECK IT OUT!
  
  The Knights of Malta (including now deceased members):
  
  Compiled by Eric Samuelson, J.D.
  
  Edward Fenech Adami
  General Allavena
  George W. Anderson
  James Jesus Angelton
  Samuel Alito
  Julian Allason
  Joe M. Allbaugh
  Roberto Alejos Arzu
  Silvio Berlusconi
  Grandmaster, Prince Andrew Willoughby Ninian Bertie (cousin of QEII) deceased.
  (Former Prime Minister) Tony Blair
  Michael Bloomberg
  Elmer Bobst
  Marie Corinne Morrison Claiborne Boggs (Dame Lindy Boggs)
  Geoffrey T. Boisi
  John Robert Bolton
  Charles Joseph Bonaparte
  Prince Valerio Borghese
  Dr. Barry Bradley
  Nicholas Brady
  Joseph Brennan
  Monsignor Mario Brini
  Pat Buchanan
  James Buckley
  William F. Buckley, Jr.
  George H.W Bush
  George W. Bush
  Jeb Bush
  Precott Bush, Jr.
  Frank Capra
  (King) Juan Carlos
  Frank Charles Carlucci III
  William Casey
  Michael Chertoff
  Gustavo Cisneros
  (President) Bill Clinton
  (Cardinal) Terence Cooke
  Gerald Coughlin
  (Senator) John Danforth
  John J. DeGioia
  Cartha DeLoach
  Giscard d'Estaing
  Bill Donovan
  Allen Dulles
  Avery Dulles
  (Archbishop) Edward Egan
  Frank J. Fahrenkopf Jr.
  Noreen Falcone
  (Count) Franz Egon
  John Farrell
  Matthew Festing (79th Grand Master)
  Edwin J. Feulner
  Francis D. Flanagan
  Raymond Flynn
  Adrian Fortescue (16th century)
  John C. Gannon
  Licio Gelli
  Reinhard Gehlen
  Burton Gerber
  Rudy Giuliani
  Emilio T. González
  Dr. Lawrence Gonzi
  Sir John Gorman CVO
  Thomas K. Gorman
  J. Peter Grace
  Lord Guthrie of Craigiebank
  Gen. Alexander Haig
  Cyril Hamilton
  Otto von Hapsburg
  William Randolph Hearst
  Edward L. Hennessy, Jr.
  (Baron) Conrad Hilton
  Heinrich Himmler
  Richard Holbrooke
  J. Edgar Hoover
  Leonard G. Horowitz
  Daniel Imperato
  Lee Iococca
  Carl Nicholas Karcher
  Francis L. Kellogg
  Joseph Kennedy
  (Senator) Ted Kennedy
  Henry A. Kissinger
  Bowie Kuhn
  Cardinal Pio Laghi
  Cathy L. Lanier
  Joseph P. Larkin
  Louis Lehrman
  General de Lorenzo
  Clara Booth Luce (Dame)
  Henry Luce
  Angus Daniel McDonald
  George MacDonald
  Nelson Mandela
  Avro Manhattan
  Alexandre de Marenches
  John McCone
  Thomas Melady
  Sir Stewart Menzies
  (Prince) Angelo di Mojana
  Thomas S. Monaghan
  Rupert Murdoch
  Joseph A. O’Hare
  Thomas 'Tip' O'Neill
  Francis (Frank) V. Ortiz
  Oliver North
  George Pataki
  Cardinal Patronus
  Robert James "Jim" Nicholson
  Oliver North
  Fra Giancarlo Pallavicini
  Fra Hubert Pallavicini
  Franz von Papen
  Baron Luigi Parrilli
  Juan Peron
  Peter G. Peterson
  Harold A.R. 'Kim' Philby
  Augusto Pinochet
  John J. Raskob
  (President) Ronald E. Reagan
  John Charles Reynolds
  George Rocca
  Nelson Rockefeller
  David Rockefeller
  Francis Rooney
  Rick Santorum
  General Giuseppe Santovito
  Antonin Scalia
  Phyllis Schlafly (Dame)
  Walter Schellenburg
  Joseph Edward Schmitz (Blackwater)
  Stephen A. Schwarzman
  Frank Shakespeare
  Martin F. Shea
  Clay Shaw
  William Edward Simon Jr.
  Jennifer Sims
  Frank Sinatra
  Frederick W. Smith
  Cardinal Francis Spellman
  Francix X. Stankard
  Steve Stavros
  Myron Taylor
  George Tenet
  Fritz Thyssen
  Richard Torrenzano
  Admiral Giovanni Torrinsi
  (Prince) Anton Turkul
  Albrecht von Boeselager
  Winfried Henckel von Donnersmark
  Thomas Von Essen
  Amschel Mayer von Rothschild
  Robert Ferdinand Wagner, Jr
  Kurt Waldheim
  General Vernon A. Walters
  Col. Albert J. Wetzel
  Canon Edward West
  Gen. William Westmoreland
  Gen. Charles A. Willoughby
  William Wilson
  Robert Zoellick
  Gen. Anthony Zinni
  Additions or corrections welcomed.
  The Oath of the Knights of Malta
  ****
  
  Did you SEE the picture of the Norway shooter all dressed up in his group regalia? My my.....like a throwback. So one would think.
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  Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Kngiths Hospitaller being a Catholic religious order rules out a lot of people on your list as "members."
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Take it up with Eric Samuelson, J. D.
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  Brie Hoffmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually we were officially taken over in 1913 when the illegal Federal Reserve was instituted, then the Council on Foreign Relations was brought about soon after. This is where the true power is. Read The Creature from Jekyll Island.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, Cags.
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  Naomi's Bannerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  First off the President does not run the country atonomously so to blame any President completely for this is wrong. I am not a Obama supporter by far but he is not totally responsible here. We have an overpaid house and congress not to mention they only have to work one year to get a lifetime pention....who the heck voted that one in.... two guesses helloo. We need to stop complaining and step in and shrink this government and their paychecks. Big government is why we came to America in the first place and here we are full circle!!
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ThoughtSandwichesposted 13 years ago
Excellent reasoned response. Thank you for reaffirming my faith by seeing such an expression within these forums. Perhaps I won't stop following the political hubs!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Thought,
  
  Maybe it might help. I outlined a little bit of what I just said, in a hub called- America: Degeneration of Value.
  
  It's about the U.S. Economy, American history, actions of politicians and how the politicians have continued on the same path since the inception of America.
  
  The term: Degeneration of Value was created by me, to make a point of how politicians are ruining the value of citizens.
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @cagsil I would have to agree each president has continue the same policy of the previous president and so on so nothing has really changed in this country for a long time. I think now they finally wanna pull the plug on an already dying nation. The bankster already have the military and a goon squad of idiots waiting to crack down on the public. Its only a matter of time.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Politicians, corporations and manufacturers of arms.
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ThoughtSandwichesposted 13 years ago
Hey Cag...about how long ago was it published? I could not find it among your hubs.
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  wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://cagsil.hubpages.com/hub/Degeneration-of-Value
  
  Don't forget, you can go to a profile and search that hubbers work for what you want.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Wilderness.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  From the comments on the page? It says about 20 months ago. However, Wilderness just gave you the link.
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suzettenaplesposted 13 years ago
No, 9/11 was not an inside U.S. job. Conspiracy theories are always brought up after the fact. Accidents happen, "on any given Sunday", some people don't do their jobs, the attackers were good actors, our government officials sleepwalk, etc. There are so many variables involved into why this happened. The towers were hit and collapsed before anyone even really knew what was going on. To me it was more like Pearl Harbor when it was attacked during WWII. Complete surprise and we were caught with out pants down. Our government was like the Keystone Cops on 9/11, so no, I don't think there was any grand conspiracy by anyone in the U.S.
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  Moderndayslaveposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah,It always goes down the way Fox and CNN says it does
  http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/09 … 1-treason/
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was just reading this too MD!!!
  
  And it's not the 1st time I've heard this:
  
  "Soon after his election, President Obama was warned that if he did what he knew he must, jail at least 200 traitors, members of Congress, at least 3 Supreme Court justices and top officials of the White House and Pentagon, he would never have a presidency.
  
  The economy had been gutted and he was told the CIA and military would kill his entire family if he interfered in their drug cartel, which controlled not only Afghanistan, a war he had to keep going forever, but Mexico as well, a border that would be kept open at all costs."
  
  Christopher Story: Global Analysis and Intelligence Report....he said this years ago. And he has since been poisoned,and died.
  
  Now Cheney has his book out....another threat to America.....Do they think we are stupid??
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @lovemychris I really don't know why obama is continue all the same policies that George w bush implemented in his 2 terms. But I must say from the man who ran for president in 2008 to the man now I really dont recognize him at all. Theres more going on behind the scenes thats not being talked about. and nothing in this world is truly black or white, if that was the case then we could fix our economy without even thinking about it. This all part of a much bigger plan that none of can truly see. American need to wake up from the bullshit.
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Cuttersposted 13 years ago
I love our country America and I find it hard to believe that fellow Americans would do this to our country. It does not make sense to me why we would crash planes into our own buildings. Killing our own people. Maybe I am silly but that is what I think and I am tired of Americans hating America. This is our home love it or leave it. For better or worse. I am just saying. Thanks
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @Cutters Rich people in general dont think like average people, there whole mentality is base on what to invest in, and how to make money no matter the cost. The people responsible for 9/11 are the same one causing havoc with other countries economies and also instigating world war 3. These are psychopaths on power trips, my life and your life and anyone life means nothing to these people as long as there agenda is set. The only way to stop these people for good is to just wake up to them and thinking that our government doesnt have a hand in this mess.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
"If an American Airlines pilot swerves lighting a cigarette in the cockpit while flying from Louisville to Wheeling, NORAD knows it, maybe even what brand."

EXACTLY!! And it is infiltrated by 19 men in caves???

"The cover story given now, the recent leaks, just prior to the 9/11 10th anniversary are telling. Former CIA director and Defense Secretary Gates is now describing the enmity between Obama, Biden and Netanyahu. We now understand why millions in Zionist money, the Koch brothers cabal and the Mossad have been working so hard with neocons to brand Obama a socialist, a Muslim and even foreign born."

A psy-op, from the beginning.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
"Soon after his election, President Obama was warned that if he did what he knew he must, jail at least 200 traitors, members of Congress, at least 3 Supreme Court justices and top officials of the White House and Pentagon, he would never have a presidency."

I wonder if this has anything to do with his aunt and uncle being harassed?? Little threats, maybe?
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @lovemychris,I find that kinda interesting because the establishment had john mccain and sarah palin, Why obama to carry out and set the agenda? Is it because hes a better speaker and much younger? Theres way more going on here. If our media wheren't such cowards and ask real questions as to why obama flip flop from all of his campaign promises back in 2008 to now doing all the same things he criticized bush for. I really want Ron paul to be the republican candidate because believe hes gonna go after obama just on those principles.
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Evan G Rogersposted 13 years ago
Buildings don't fall down like that unless you pay a lot of money to have them demolished properly.
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @Evan Indeed, There where traces of Thermite found thoughout the world trade center site. I mean our media is bought and paid for without a doubt if they don't investigate those simple facts.
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  Moderndayslaveposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You, Evan !
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I hate sounding like a lunatic. I really do.
  
  They could prove every aspect of every detail of every conspiracy of 9/11...
  
  ... but buildings just do NOT fall down like that. Especially if the official story is "the steel got heated up, and thus lost support" -- they fell too fast and straight for that to be believable.
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  Moderndayslaveposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You can be a lunatic or a sheep,I rather be a lunatic.
  http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html
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  Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They weren't demolished properly, though. Your only options aren't to be a lunatic or a sheep. You can learn a thing about civil engineering, or even a probie firefighter's education in fire science.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Those things came down pretty well.
  
  If there was ANY structural integrity (as is the official story), those towers would have chosen a direction to fall, and each one would likely have been different.
  
  Oh - and WTC7 wouldn't have fallen.
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  Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nope. A proper demolition would only bring down the building being demolished. Instead, WTC 7 was, as firefighters on the scene observed, "fully involved" and unsalvageable because of the resulting fire. Several other buildings were also damaged or destroyed. If it was a "proper" demolition, it was a crap job.
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  American Viewposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Val,
  
  Do not even bother, Just let them go on and be dilussional. I have been down the road with these same people and they cannot understand logic and refuse to see the facts. They are Bush haters so therefore it is all Bushs fault.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  (psst - WTC 7 was supposed to drop, that was my entire point. Did you notice how the official report ignored the collapse of WTC 7?)
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  American Viewposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  With every response you Continue to prove my point
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  Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church was also not mentioned in the 9-11 Commission Report, yet it was also destroyed in your supposed "proper" demolition of WTC 1 and 2. Your point is?
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Edwin Clarkposted 13 years ago
Seriously, this is not the right time to bring up this subject. Can't you keep yourself busy with the moon landing conspiracy instead?
And as a New Yorker who was there during the attacks and still lives near ground zero, 9/11 was not an inside job.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thinking that 9/11 was a conspiracy does NO injustice to the lives lost.
  
  And, just a reminder: WTC 7 wasn't hit by a plane, it fell at free-fall speed DIRECTLY down, and was NOT mentioned in the official 9/11 commission report.
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  Moderndayslaveposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Thinking that 9/11 was a conspiracy does NO injustice to the lives lost." Exactly. I want the real people that did this to HANG, but they won't .Just get microwaved or the happy ending before you get on that plane. What Constitution? Unless the whole country wakes up this is bigger than all of us
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No kidding. I was curious, so I googled Tim Osman. This name came up:
  Michael Riconosciuto
  http://911review.org/brad.com/archives/ … Osman.html
  
  This is Octopus. This is international crime....drugs, pharma, weapons. It was written about in a book called The Last Circle. It is well worth the read. I was never the same after reading it.
  
  http://www.american-buddha.com/last.circle.htm
  
  and JUST BTW.......Orly Taitz' husband was involved in Inslaw (Octopus).....His company made the swine-flu vaccine. And she was allegedly hired by Bibi Netanyahu to do the birth-certificate smear on Obama. According to Wayne Madsen.
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  Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Might want to read "Last Man Down" by FDNY Battalion Chief Richard Picciotto. He was one of the company that survived the collapse of the North Tower.
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  Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Seriously, this is not the right time to bring up this subject." You're right. It ought to have been fully investigated in open court about nine years ago.
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @Edwin It not a right to bring it up, so when would be a right time? It has been 10 years now with no clear answers. I'm a fellow New yorker too who remembers that day all to well and have my own tale to tell in terms of 9/11. It time to grow up and start having a serious debate about this. The media or the courts are all bought and paid by the same interest who only want to make a profit from death. Seriously Edwin the time answers is now because if average citizen think this is the wrong time to ask a question then we are all doomed. There is no wrong time for this, this is the right time.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Sorry--you are no more of an American than I am.....

And when I go to my town's 9/11 ceremony, I will be cursing a whole other enemy than you.

You do not have the market on the truth...and millions of people think you are wrong.
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  S Leretsehposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My only question I want answered about 9-11 is why Israelis were trying to blow up the Brooklyn bridge? I believe they were also caught in another van loaded with explosives l.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I missed that one. I wonder why? I read a lot of stuff, left, middle and right. Wonder what your source for that is???
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @S Leretseh I miss that headline, where can I find that article?
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  S Leretsehposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXddYoeeuOA
  
  My bad. it was the GW bridge
  
  Also,
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKj60CqlA-Y&NR=1
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Amazing revelation! You mean Israel is actually spying on the US?
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  S Leretsehposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ralph, because you were uninformed, I supplied you with a link to the Israelis being nabbed red-handed in vans LOADED with explosives: one van was caught at the GW bridge, the other van exploded at the WCT site. These Israelis were caught, interrogated ... then allowed to go back to Israel. WHY? Everything in which they revealed during their interrogation has now been classified. WHY? The ones who short-sold American airlines and United stock, this information has also been "classified. " WHY?
  
  If the gov't wanted to end conspiracy theory - false flag - arguments, all they hv to do is:
  --release the interrogation records of the captured Israelis on 9-11
  --allow Americans to see the plane parts from the pentagon and Shanksville sites. those titanium engines are indestructible. Let's see them.
  --tell us who had the shorts on American & United
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You provided a link to a YouTube video from "grassy knoll trolls." Not a credible source. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that Israeli spies may have had information, before 9-11, that they gathered on the Al Qaida terrorists who hijacked the four planes and even that they failed to pass the information on to US authorities.
  
  What possible motive would they have for bombing the Brooklyn Bridge? That's looney tunes. We are their ally. We give Israel $2 billion/year, and we've told the world that serious consequences would befall them if they attacked Israel.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, a woman saw 3 men celebrating and called the police. They were Israeli's filming the event.
  Allegedly, they said "We are not your enemy! Our enemy is your enemy. The Palestinians are your enemy!"
  
  They were released and appeared on Israeli tv. Apparently, a lot of Israeli's were arrested that day.
  
  They used a Wings store as a front in Florida, and pretended to be art students in New York. allegedly.
  
  Just as allegedly Osama Bin Laden did it, because de denied having anything to do with it.
  FBI had no evidence of him for it.
  He said you should look inside your gvt for the answer.
  
  Olmert or Netanyahu said 9/11 was good for Israel, as it made the world sympathetic to them.
  
  USS Liberty
  Mavri Mamra
  Operation Cast Lead
  
  No angels here people.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My recollection is that Osama bin Laden took credit for the attack. I usually agree with you LMC, but you're going off the deep end on this one. Or you're trying to pull the tails of the conspiracy mongers??
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I just know what I know Ralph. It's inner knowing, if you know what I mean.
  
  Interview With Osama bin Laden. Denies His Involvement in 9/11
  Full text of Pakistani paper's Sept 2001 "exclusive" interview
  Daily Ummat in Urdu, BBC translation in English, 2001
  
  "I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people."
  
  http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep2/obl-2001-interview.html
  
  He said there is a government within the government in the United States.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Here's a CNN article outlining his denial of responsibility in the attacks:
  http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/us/i … r?_s=PM:US
  
  Here's Bin Laden suggesting that he APPROVED of the attacks, and an explanation of why he approves of them:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiKyWJRRjnU
  
  This is the video of him claiming he was responsible (it's not him):
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41UAnkQARFs
  
  Anyone watching that last video can easily see it isn't Osama.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Tim Osman!!!! American CIA operative posing as Bin-Laden whenever they needed to send their message out! IMO
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBIthwLN0iI
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  S Leretsehposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Quote From Ralph Deeds: "I read recently that Israel has the biggest spy network in the U.S. of all countries. That includes military and commercial spying. Aside from that the fact that we are clearly aligned with Israel contributes significantly to terrorism against the United States. We give Israel billions every year and they thumb their noses at us. The Israel lobby is among the strongest in Washington. It absolutely terrorizes Senators and Congressmen who say anything contrary to Israel's party line."
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm with you here, Ralph. I put this in the same category as:
  
  man never really landed on the moon
  Obama was born in Kenya
  Obama was put in place by foreign nationals to destroy America
  Bush is Cheney's illigitimate son
  Elvis isn't really dead
  Tupac is still alive
  the U.S. developed AIDS to kill Africans
  most of today's world leaders are actually space aliens
  
  Break out the tin foil!
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  mtsi1098posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  what is next? The Easter bunny and Santa do not exist
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Buildings don't fall down like that - especially if the steel inside still has some strength to them.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The problem is that hot steel has no strength.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It has more than 0%. And the entire steel wouldn't have been equally heated and weakened.
  
  They wouldn't have fallen straight down is ALL that I'm saying.
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  Moderndayslaveposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/10 … -is-wrong/
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  S Leretsehposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Evan 's point is indisputable. The building fell in a free-fall. Also,
  -- only larry silversteins three buildings fell to the ground
  -- larry silverstein, owner/leasor of many other buildings, yet, he only took out double indemnity clause on three buildings (WTC 1,2, 7) , and the only way that policy would pay off is if all three were hit in one event. Out of all the thousands of builds in Manhattan, only silversteins three building (WTC1,2 7) had a double indemnity clause...and only those three building fell to the ground.
  
  --someone can correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe the double indemnity clause policy was a payout directly to larry siverstein
  
  ---Dopey larry went on PBS and TOLD THE WORLD...he and a fire chief (who was this fire chief?) gave the order to "pull" building#7. How did these two know that no one was in the building when they ordered it to be demolished?
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  Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong. St. Nicholas' Church was also destroyed. Furthermore, the North Bridge was destroyed. WTC 4, 5, and 6 and the WTC Marriott were partially collapsed. 30 West Broadway, the Verizon Building, 3 World Financial Center, the Winter Garden, 90 West Street, and the Bankers' Trust Building sustainted substantial damage, and I won't mention all the buildings that sustained facade damage as a result of this supposedly proper demolition.
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  Lady_Eposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lol @Habee ... and then there's the Princess Di conspiracy. We could go on and on..
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is this the plot you're referring to? It involved Al Qaida, not Israelis.
  
  WASHINGTON – An immigrant from Kashmir has admitted being a member of al-Qaeda and pleaded guilty to providing aid to terrorists, Attorney General John Ashcroft said today.
  
  Ashcroft said that truck driver Iyman Faris pleaded guilty to plotting against the United States, including taking part in a plot to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge. An indictment said Faris worked closely with Khalid Shaikh Mohammad, a top officer in the Muslim terrorist group who was captured earlier this year.
  
  Ashcroft said Faris, also known as Mohammed Rauf, tried to obtain "gas cutters" and other tools that could be used to damage train tracks to cause derailments. He studied ultralight aircraft for use in a possible attack and suggested driving a truck loaded with explosives onto an airport tarmac to blow up planes.
  
  http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/art … 2342.shtml
  
  You are a veritable fountain of misinformation.
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cmlindblomposted 13 years ago
I hate how everyone thinks they know what happened for real.... Most people know nothing about anything that happens to America. If you were one of the people that are informed on top secret things you probly wouldn't have time to be asking these questions or stating your opinions on the internet all day. It's almost the anniversary of thousands of people dieing and you want to press the issue of whos "really" at fault. This is definately inappropriate to be talking about this close to the 10 year anniversary I think.
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @cmlindblom again it the wrong time to talk about something like this, I dont understand it, when would be more convenient for you then. And it not thousand of people who have died, stop thinking one dimensional, Million of people have died over this tragedy in the US and abroad, oh I suppose you forgot about that. Like this isnt a football game where the commercial comes on and you can go to the bathroom. People are dying now because of 9/11, our liberty and freedoms are being taken away on a daily basis because of 9/11. So this question needs to be asked to wake people like yourself up who think it isnt the right time ask a question.
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  Moderndayslaveposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's actually 9 years, 11months and 29 days too late.
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Chuck Bluesteinposted 13 years ago
I think people will know the answer to this, the day after they find out how President J.F. Kennedy was really killed.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And how those 12-foot alligators got into the NY City sewers!
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toygurusposted 13 years ago
There was a documentary on this called Loose Change. I think it is on youtube. I highly doubt it was an inside job. It would make no sense.
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @toygurus I've seen loose change before, it a good documentary and it answer some questions about the event in my opinion. The problem I have is that so many live are being lose because of this event and no one wants to ask question as to why they took place in the first place. Leading to multiple wars in middle east countries, demonizing them for there religion. Its disgust on all levels and for some people in this post to say it not the right time to ask a question like this speak to the ignorance of the matter.
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
Just the latest of so many things never investigated. Got to wonder why?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/07/2 … nd-in.html
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awareposted 13 years ago
Blanket blaming are we. enemy's are individual persons. Palestinian children are our enemy? is that your assertion? and 9 11 ? no it was a outside job. you did see the planes didn't you?
ray
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Palestinian children are our enemy?"
  
  That is what the Israeli "art students" allegedly told the police who arrested them.
  
  And I would say the "blanket blaming" has been on the Muslims. From whom, may I ask?
  
  "I will join you Sir at noon tomomrow September 11, 2011 by lifting a finger in the air while simultaneously proclaiming "B*llsh*t!".
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
Aw Sarasota again. I hadn't remembered this one.

http://www.madcowprod.com/04142011.htm
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I saw a documentary on pbs about Mussolini...his guards used waterboarding on the Mafia!
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awareposted 13 years ago
Islam every year at this time feels the need make clear their faiths intent . To us.
Americans and others that question their direction and intent . This should be the time for them to talk amongst themselves i feel. Its Islam that needs reminded daily that their religion isn't meant to be a hostile one.I don't blame Islam . but i think they should be held accountable.
anyway
Ray
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, you think Islam did 9/11?
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fratjoe18posted 13 years ago
The conspiracy theories will live on forever, because living with the pain of loss does involve a little curiosity about what actually happened, but the matter of fact is that with all these theories, we lost so many innocent people by people who didn't care about themselves or others. A lot of people found a way to make a lot of money after this tragedy, and it makes me disgusted at the thought of someone profiting, and not at least sharing or giving it all to the families that lost their loved ones. Flashing lights, non commercial airplanes, bombs planted before attack are all theories that are not impossible, but let's quit with the accusations, and make sure it doesn't happen again to our country.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Doctors and funeral homes make money off of loss, as do many other jobs.
  
  Profiting off of loss isn't wrong unless property rights are infringed upon.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Heck, police profit off of loss...
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awareposted 13 years ago
of course not . but the ones that did were all Muslims. They were soldiers fighting a war because of religious ideology. which they were indoctrinated into . by whom? Islam . Its their baby. Their mess to clean. We shouldn't have to hunt these people down and kill them. Islam should. its their faith at stake here.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You see....I totally disagree.
  I think it was the PNAC/neo-con/dual-citizen Zionists who did it.
  
  So--who is right? You don't know for certain do you?
  
  HOW?
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
40 reasons:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?sto … 1155307646
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Naomi's Bannerposted 13 years ago
That is a ridiculous statement. It has already been proven who did this atrosity!
This caught us all totally off guard. If it was inside then the ones involved were here already but not American citizens.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What proof?
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  Naomi's Bannerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Osama and his kronies did it. We have documented statements from many that admit to the plot. The Taliban were involved and freely take credit for it all. To infer that someone from the inside, I assume you mean one of us (b American citizens ) did this is delorable.
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awareposted 13 years ago
And im in the high rise biz we build them. all this planed demo crap is just that. planed demos don't fall onto 7 other buildings around them . to bring a building down that size you'd have to set spiral charges at every 10 floors or so. there's no way to conceal these charges from people. its a massive undertaking. planed demos are obvious not ambiguous .
ray
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  Moderndayslaveposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And what exactly do you do on these "High Rises"?
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awareposted 13 years ago
this ones easy . the pnac did it. how do i know you might ask? you told me so. that's how.
lol.
i spit ball ideas and thoughts. im not in the righteousness biz.
im wrong alot . and i mean a whole lot. and you know . i sleep better for it.
ray
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I did not "tell" you anything but what I think.
  
  I have said "think", "believe" and "allegedly" at all times.
  
  You, however, said it was Islam's baby. You had the certainty, not me.
  
  Even though I have known what I know since it happened.. I just "knew".
  
  Anyone who wasn't enamored of Bushco could have seen it.
  My boyfriend refuses to believe it--that's his business.
  I have mine.
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awareposted 13 years ago
wall systems,the shell , exterior metal framing sheathing and coatings . and interior stud walls and gypsum products .
23 years . building the walls that cage us in from the blue sky outside.
ray
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  Moderndayslaveposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OK at least you see it ,no structural though. Dig deeper,
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awareposted 13 years ago
your credentials in the industry are?
ray
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awareposted 13 years ago
sighs. i was enjoying the discussion. sorry to upset you.
heated but civil exchanging of contrary ideas . can we do that?
ray
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awareposted 13 years ago
modern . dry walling the exit stairways was a blunder. the sprinklers went off the drywall fell clogging the way. lots of blunders that day . but no conspiracy. i think
ray
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  Moderndayslaveposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry Ray,open your mind and forget what you have been told then start digging. It will make you sick. BTW drywall in stairwells and elevators is BS
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Holmes221bposted 13 years ago
Now that it is ten years since this act of terrorism, which is an important milestone, and one which should be commemorated, I do hope that TV will not concentrate so much on it every 11th of September. I dread this date, because it is very hard to turn on the telly, without seeing the terrible images of people falling to their deaths, and it still has the power to upset. How the families of those who died cope with this, I've no idea. Although it should never be forgotten, I believe it does no good to show such distressing images every year. Let the dead rest in peace now, and spare their families the media fascination, which never seems to diminish.
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @Holmes221b Check out my latest Hubpages blog about 9/11 and the real and simple truth about what is never discussed by the media.
  
  <promotional link>
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awareposted 13 years ago
do we need to define a straight line?
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
9/11 is the justification for the expenditure of 3 trillion and counting for war in the Middle East
and the the reason the US is broke.
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awareposted 13 years ago
ohh a reminder we kill more civilians than any other nation .
its the R.O.E collateral damage 30 for 1
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
"To the prison born

There are none so enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.
Goethe

When a few people wish to control and direct a mass of humanity, there are certain key structures that have to be in place. These are the same whether you are seeking to manipulate an individual, family, tribe, town, country, continent, or planet.

First you have to set the "norms", what is considered right and wrong, possible or impossible, sane or insane, good and bad. Most of the people will follow those norms without question because of the baa-baa mentality, which has prevailed within the collective human mind for at least thousands of years. Second, you have to make life very unpleasant for those few who challenge your imposed "norms".

The most effective way to do this is to make it, in effect, a crime to be different. So those who beat to a different drum, or voice a different view, version of "truth" and lifestyle, stand out like a black sheep in the human herd. You have already conditioned that herd to accept your norms as reality and so, in their arrogance and ignorance, they then ridicule or condemn those with a different spin on life. This pressurizes them to conform and serves as a warning for those others in the herd who are also thinking of breaking away. There is a Japanese saying that goes: Don't be a nail that stands out above the rest because that's the first one to get hit.

This creates a situation fundamental to the few controlling the many in which the masses police themselves and keep each other in line. The sheep become the sheepdog for the rest of the herd.* It is like a prisoner trying to escape while the rest of his cellmates rush to stop him. If that happened we would say the prisoners were crazy, how could they do that?

But humans are doing precisely this to each other every day by demanding that everyone conform to the norms to which they blindly conform. This is nothing less than psychological fascism - the thought police with agents in every home, everywhere. Agents so deeply conditioned that most have no idea they are unpaid mind controllers.

Once you control what is considered "normal" and possible, the whole system virtually runs itself."

---David Icke,from "Children of the Matrix"
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  For a total nut-case good old David Icke got this one about right.
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Rea my latest blog post on the bigest conspiracy since the Kennedy assassination http://jjin26.hubpages.com/hub/911-Truth
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Wt4XlXUrc
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rachellrobinsonposted 13 years ago
I think even asking something like this is harmful to the memories of the hero's who died ten years ago today.
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  Nick Lucasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I second that!
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would suggest that not investigating thoroughly why so many died is more disrespectful to those who died and those who lost them.
  
  The same applies to military actions, it is necessary to know that your child has died on the battlefield for good reason - hard though it is to imagine how that is accomplished in the middle east, even more so than it was in Vietnam.
  
  It should also be remembered that the USA was and is a target due to its own contribution to the terror war, the fallen on both sides should be considered in any memorial discussion.
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  Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Tearing open people's wounds and refusing to accept the facts is neither investigation nor respectful. If the buildings went down as part of a proper demolition, evidence would have been all over the place. The Port Authority building inspectors would have seen the charges and such. The firefighters would have seen the charges as they climbed and swept every floor. And yet they didn't know the buildings would come down until the South Tower began to collapse. Are you saying that the hundreds who died from FDNY and the Port Authority are stupid or that they're in on the conspiracy? See, that's why your supposed investigation (which really has less to do with facts and more to do with disparaging people and governments you don't like) is not respectful.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are aiming at the wrong person - I have no opinion on the conspiracy theory etc.
  
  That these things should be investigated properly is pretty obvious, and if it has not been properly done by some respected and independant body then it leaves the question open - and this is more disrespectful than any other option.
  
  I do go further and consider that the whole war on terror is a fabricated and aggressive trade war - and as an ex-serviceman myself I know that it necessary to believe your cause is right if I am being asked to kill people. The current crop of 'causes' is nothing about 'right' or fighting for your country, it is about profiteering. The 9/11 attack was a terrible tragedy there is no doubt, but the numbers of people killed in that event is around the same numbers of people who are dying most months around the world at the other end of the 'war'.
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  Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So it's only about numbers for you? It's "even" if we kill the same number regardless of whether or not we accomplish the mission? Do you even know what the mission was? Did you lose 343 brothers who were only armed with barely functioning radios that day? Probably not, because if so, you wouldn't call it just a "terrible tragedy" or say this war is about profiteering. Opportunists will use every chance to make a buck. They don't cause crises to make a buck. They just don't let the ones that do happen go to waste.
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Ralph Deedsposted 13 years ago
How 9/11 changed your life according to Mike Thompson:

http://www.freep.com/article/20110911/B … -your-life

"The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will cost American taxpayers $1.29 TRILLION by the end of 2011."
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habeeposted 13 years ago
I watched a TV show in the wee hours this morning about 9/11 heroes, and one was a building engineer who was trapped up on one of the high floors. He survived, and he explained how he saw the way the heat was affecting the steel. After seeing that, he thought the building was probably going to fall. I believe him.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Me too. But some people seem to be inclined to look for conspiracies.
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  Shil1978posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I believe him too. The amount of jet fuel involved and the extreme temperatures would have resulted in the cascading effect. I don't know why people always want to look for a conspiracy in everything.
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
The latest line.

http://ringnebula.com/Oil/pipeline.jpg
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
That would be me.
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Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years ago
Mr. Deeds - Israel attacked a US warship in 1967 to try to trick us into action with them against Egypt. Four of the supposed "Al Qaida terrorist" are still alive and well.

The Talmud teaches that non Talmudic persons are merely cattle.
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
"London Bombings 07/07/2005 - Mock Disaster Drill In Progress"
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You
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Holmes221bposted 13 years ago
Just watching the BBC news, which showed the demonstration in London today, where Muslims burnt the American flag to celebrate the 9/11 anniversary. I find this rather terrifying that they saw this day as one of celebration
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Are you sure they are Muslims???
  
  Its very possible they are not. Who would benefit from doing that on this of all days?
  
  Someone who wants you to hate Muslims, that's who.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPwNk0CJSiY
  
  "Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".
  
  So who is hated and is the justification for the terrorism against Palestine? Hamas!!
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  Holmes221bposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well unless the BBC news is lying, but I doubt it, and their burning of the flag was shown on TV. Somehow I doubt it is a conspiracy created by the BBC and the Israel.
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  zduckmanposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Undercover Israeli military officers were caught filming the collapse of the towers from a moving van, but were not held for questioning
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awareposted 13 years ago
you wont see Americans burning other nations flags in the street or prodding our children to do so. why? were better than that.
ray
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  zduckmanposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  WOW...where have you been....Other countries are burning our flag ...because we are over throwing their government, stealing their reources, and killing their children
  OPEN YOUR EYES
  
  911 killed under 5,000 people ...over 500,000 Iraqis have died ...in the war and they did NOTHING wrong ...they just live in a country that has the oil we want
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3POeE9b1SE
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awareposted 13 years ago
in the Arab world Jews hold only a small piece of it. Islamic governments don't govern well. even they know that. tend your house.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "I doubt it is a conspiracy created by the BBC and the Israel."
  
  Neither one of them has to have anything to do with it.
  
  "tend your house."
  
  Arab dual-citizens were not prevalent in the Bush white house when 9/11 occurred.
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  zduckmanposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  watch this and learn
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3POeE9b1SE
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  JJin26posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My Hubpages blog about 9/11 and the real and simple truth about what is never discussed by the media.
  
  <promotional link>
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