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Petra Vlahposted 13 years ago
Judging by the airtime and coverage that the Occupy Wall Street movement gets it becomes evermore clear that our “independent” media considers it a NONEVENT.
In the last week none of the major TV evening news stations ever mention it. Busy to “inform” us about what is happening in the back alleys of whatever little town in the nation, our “reliable” media is intentionally ignoring the movement, proving ONCE AGAIN that money talk and everything else walks.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree that I haven't seen much about it on TV, but I've seen numerous articles in print.
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  Reality Bytesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Media, Government, Corporations, Banks, all the same entities!
  
  We the People United is their worst fear!
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  cmontijoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually its been global for almost 2 weeks now too ,but such is the insular nature of U.S media.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, they consider it a major event, which is why they will not report on it. Organized money is threatened. Very, very threatened. OWS is already effective.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I guess the very fact that the media is NOT reporting it is an indication of its importance !
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh boy, how hard do they have to work to ignore.
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  road2hellposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, the media is distorting the reasons for the Wall Street Protists. They either missed the point or they intentionally weaken the points the demstrators wish to convey.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, there's a bit of evidence that the reason it isn't being covered is for the same reason why Ron Paul doesn't get any coverage:
  
  OWS mostly agrees with Ron Paul, and they don't like that.
  
  http://lewrockwell.com/spl3/a-lesson-in-democracy.html
  
  Many of the signs that people are holding down there are quotes that have driven Ron Paul for decades.
  
  Either way, it sounds OWS is just now waking up to the bias of mainstream media:
  
  The media isn't biased against the Right or the Left --- THEY'RE BIASED TOWARD GOVERNMENT POWER.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is a non event.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You wish.
  
  This is an important social movement that is receiving growing support.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is a non event destined to go down as the most monumental non event in the history of events.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Which is clearly why you have decided to pay it no attention and decline to comment.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you waste your time worrying about what I post? The occupy wall street crowd are a tiny group of malcontents who want somebody else to pay their way. I would imagine you are in complete solidarity with them.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I never waste my time worrying about what you post, your posts keep me too entertained. You can imagine all you want. Or, following your reasoning, are you suggesting that I don't pay my way either?
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Really?
  
  That shows that you don't even know what #occupy is about.
  
  The major idea of every occupy movement here in the U.S. is that wealthy people and powerful corporations have too much influence on our politicians.
  
  That's it. Not anti-capitalism, but pro fairness. They don't want to destroy capitalism, they just want to curb the excesses that allow people already wealthy to create laws that make damn sure they stay wealthy and keep on getting MORE wealthy.
  
  This greed is destroying our country and the world. Nobody wants to stop you from making yourself a millionaire or a billionaire if you are lucky or smart enough to do that. All we want to do is make sure that you can't cheat on your way.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Clearly you have no idea who is occupying wall street. Good luck with your latest version of disco.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Baby steps, Pcunix, the prospect of fairness and equality can amount to information overload for some.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know, but it's so sad.
  
  I see it in my neighbors. They are all old farts like me( duh, we live in a retirement community!) and so many of them just march lock-step to the drum beat of people who make more money in a year than they made in their entire lives. They get their opinions from Faux and are so full of hate for anything that doesn't jibe with that..
  
  And, like these guys, they just don't know any better. They applaud the people who are robbing their so called "golden years".
  
  It is sad.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is sad, but on a more positive note, there are a whole bunch of people that have their eyes open and are determined to bring about change.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You and the rest of the occupy space crowd are the only ones who are filled with hate. These losers will scurry back to their parents basements as soon as the cold weather kicks in.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wouldn't blame them. But if they do, they'll be back in the spring.
  
  But again, you are wrong if you think it's just kids. Go walk the actual streets - there are people of all ages joining this movement.
  
  Nor is it all failures and the unemployed. Small business owners like me are part of this also.
  
  You are sadly misinformed about who we are and what we want. But that's because people like the Koch's and the Murdoch's of the world WANT you to be misinformed. This movement scares them, and it should.
  
  If they could see past their overwhelming greed for a moment, they'd realize that if they gave in to what this movement wants, they'd still have more money than they can spend in a thousand lifetimes.. but apparently they can't see that.
  
  Things ARE going to change. They won't like it and people like you will fight it tooth and nail because they will tell you to, but the change will happen, one way or another.
  
  I have no idea if you are old enough to remember the "dirty hippies" of my generation. They changed the world too, and they did so with far less popular support than these occupy movements have.
  
  If the protesters go home, fine. They will be back. Without any hate, by the way.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Without hate? Like I said before its a passing fad led by malcontents.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think I'm a malcontent?
  
  I've lived the good life for a long, long time. I had some lean years when I first started my business, and I made some mistakes that cost me, but I recovered and went on to lead a very happy and prosperous life.
  
  I'm having some lean years again right now, but they are almost deliberate: I've been pretty much retired since I was 55 and haven't had to work very much or very hard because of the hard work I put in years before. I'm slipping into my golden years and that was my plan all along.
  
  The real estate crash and stock market plunges have made things a little tighter than I expected, but I can't cry in my beer very much because we're still living pretty high on the hog. Why? Because I worked hard to get here. Why is it not as good as I planned? Because greedy people screwed it up for the rest of it.
  
  I'm a part of the capitalist system. I own stocks and bonds - I'm *invested* both literally and figuratively.
  
  But I know that greed has gone too far. I support #occupy and so do the majority of Americans.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Greedy people caused your problems? The majority of Americans don't think that way. Occupy space is a fad led by malcontents and obviously followed by sore losers.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Keep parroting the same words.
  
  Maybe tomorrow Faux will give you some new ones?
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Don't watch too much news so it won't be influencing me at all. I just have to ask why is it that liberals hate FOX news so much? Could it be that it exposes the left for what it really is?
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Of course you don't watch Faux. None of you ever do..
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I do watch FOX news just not very often. Can you answer the question?
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They tell the truth about the left's lies?
  
  Oh, yeah, like the lies about how the rich need their wealth to create jobs? Oh, wait, that was the Right, wasn't it?
  
  Tell me, what "lies of the left" does lying Faux expose?
  
  The "lie" that our bill of rights applies to everyone? The "lie" that the Occupy people have a right to assemble to air their grievances?
  
  THOSE kinds of lies?
  
  Yeah, those are exactly the kinds of lies Faux exposes.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't say anything about lies you did. I said expose the left for what it is.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah?
  
  What are we? People who care about other people's rights. People who value diversity and are not fearful and mistrusting of anyone who looks, acts or talks differently.
  
  People who care about the poor and disadvantaged. People who value capitalism, but know that its excesses can be ugly.
  
  Oh, we are such AWFUL people!
  
  By the way, do you recognize yourself? http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/ … -politics/
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, the left is not anything quite so magnanimous. More like, What are we? Whiners who need the rules changed because we can't keep up. People who value diversity as long as we can define what is diverse. We care about the disadvantaged because they are easily duped into voting for democrats, all we have to say is hope and change and voila Obama cash falls from the sky. We value capitalism so much we want it to resemble socialism, its so unfair that some make more than others. No, you're not awful people, just disingenuous.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  President John F. Kennedy on being a liberal...
  
  "I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves
  
  I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them."
  ****
  
  GOD, what a whiner! SNARK
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Kennedy wasn't the same kind of liberal that you are, in fact he would be called a moderate today.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So would Reagan. What's your point?
  
  YOU said people on the left are whiners. Kennedy proves you wrong.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He was the same kind of liberal as every liberal I know.
  
  The kind that has a heart and compassion for those who have little. The kind who wants fairness. Not artificial equality, but just simple fairness.
  
  To all. Black, white, gay straight, atheist and crazed fundamentalist. Just fairness.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hopeless.
  
  We want the rules changed because of corruption.
  
  Trust me, I'm "keeping up". I'm not a "loser", I'm not poor, I'm not disadvantaged, but I do have empathy for those who were not as lucky and as privileged as I was.
  
  The system is broken. It has been broken by greed. It has to change, one way or another. It will either be by choice or by force, but it will change.
  
  I want to see it be by choice. I want people to realize that the Right has gone too far and we need to swing back a little. I do not want a hard swing to the left, I just want fairness restored. Is that so much to ask?
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Any swing to the left is too far. You don't want fairness, fairness is allowing people to keep what they legally earned. You want to take and redistribute and call it fair. If you think you can change the way things are done by force then I really want you to try.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hopeless.
  
  But I'll ask one last question. Is it legally earned when you buy the laws that help you make and keep more?
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Were the laws passed? Were they done so in accordance with the law and rules of the legislature? If so then, yes. Once again, get on with your revolution, it wont take long for the rainbow brigade to be shut down.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So it's fine with you if someone with a lot of money gets a special benefit in a bill or a special tax deduction? That's ok, even if he is your competitor and his bennies cost you income?
  
  It's ok with you if he can get a low interest loan that you can't have for your little business? That's all fine with you..
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He'd rather continue the status quo than admit that maybe, just maybe, he's been a tool all along.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I suspect rather that he is just so consumed by hate for liberals that he can't contemplate every agreeing about anything.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hate is such a strong word. Who has that kind of energy. I don't hate liberals for what they are any more than I hate cockroaches or rats for what they are. It is in the nature of some things to be parasites and vermin.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Special benefits? Like parking,food stamps,SSI check because your bipolar? The laws are full of special benefits and they make no difference to me.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well DUH...you should know. You always harp about Grahmm Leach Bliley...which Clinton signed in a deal with the cons.....
  
  legal, and deadly. Grahmm now works in some big money capacity. Ashcroft does something with Xe.....
  
  gvt + corporations = Fascism
  No wonder it felt like a boot on the neck.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  YES! I posted an article here about Koch stealing resources from Native Americans....what I didn't post: apparently someone asked Koch what he wanted. Allegedly, he said "I want my fair share...and that's all of it."
  
  The waa waa boys don't share.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nope.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lying about reality doesn't change it..
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have no reason to lie about a passing fad.
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  Xenonlitposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I write about this. The corporate media no longer reports with any integrity. It's all about popularity or marching orders from their advertisers.
  
  But there is an incredible amount of news through Twitter. You can find all kinds of things by searching #occupyWallstreet or #any city name
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Emile Rposted 13 years ago
You're right. But, like habee said, it's in print. And the news on the internet has been doing some feel good pieces about Occupy Together in action.
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Most people are getting their news from TV and not everyone has a computer - especially old people. At any rate, it is outrageous for the media to ignore what is happening almost allover the world and divert our attention from a situation that will potencially affect the future
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psycheskinnerposted 13 years ago
Maybe it depends what channels you are watching and where you are. because my local Chicago channel gave the protests here a lot of coverage.
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Glad to hear that at least some parts of the country keep their people better informed; the fact remains that this IS A NATIONAL event and it should be covered as such; not in a regional base.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've been watching RT (Russia Today) for coverage, as usual the British media have found some fluff to deflect with.
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recommend1posted 13 years ago
Where are all the loud supporters of free speech when they think it applies to others - where are they now that it is your media that is clearly manipulating the news and with-holding information ?

Where are all the loud supporters of 'human rights' now that it all happening on US soil and UK soil ?

As has been evident over the past couple of years that I have had to deal with loud mouth attacks on these issues in China, just because I live here, and as I have listened to their bleating on about 'other' countries lack of freedoms and human rights - They are just cowardly loudmouths. Not so easy to support all those so-called values when it is you in the firing line is it ?

The same issues arise with Nato's horrendous war on Libya and replacing one possible tyrant with a gang of murderous thugs. I say possible tyrant as his deliberate murder prevents him spilling the beans on what our cowardly leaders have been up to, and are up to. The only thing we know is the heavily censored and blatantly stifled news services. Where are the news people with balls who are supposed to be standing up and telling it like it is ? Loudmouthed cowards all of them.
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saddlerider1posted 13 years ago
That's why it's important for us all to continue to keep it moving in Twitter, Facebook and other social media. The governments control the Media, we all know that. Freedom of speech is being dampened and the voice of the people dampened as well. Our future revolves around the stand we take now, not letting our governments dictate to the people, we must not be silenced.
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
I don't listen to any of the major news media to get news updates. Most of it is nothing more than soundbites. I watch PBS Newshour, listen to independent radio stations and read online. I've actually heard/read quite a bit this past week.

I read this yesterday in RS, it's not going to make the news outlets.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/bl … t-20111021

another
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/bl … t-20111017

I follow his blog, and his FB, Twitter accounts.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Occupy Boston gets so-so coverage. But Keith Olbermann is on it every night.
And Bill Maher every Friday.

So funny last night.
"Gravy-Wavy is ninety...the only gravy wavy is in his pants."
"Brown acid is now the Blue Viagra."

anyway...what should be screamed about is the Police Brutality!
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DonDWestposted 13 years ago
I'm afraid that Occupy Wall Street/Occupy Bay Street is suffering a complete media blackout here in Canada. Not surprising considering the man we have at the helm (Stephen Harper) makes G.W Bush look like a teddy bear by comparison.

My generation is facing a tall order, the baby boomers (who make up the majority ov voting power) are still attached to TV news and print news. They never see the Internet as a valid news source. In fact, baby boomers teachers and administrators in the public education system are teaching children "not to trust the Internet because it's an invalid news source."

If the baby boomers used the Internet, they wouldn't be embracing this war on Libya so enthusiastically, in which Canada was a major player. I can't help but to get depressed some days; baby boomers (including my own parents) need to seriously TURN OFF THEIR TELEVISION SETS if we even have a chance politically.

I'm afraid we just may have to wait until the baby boomers die off; I'm not willing to wait that long, I've waited long enough. "Revolution mode" is starting to look inevitable. I'm not getting any younger. . .
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't you if you can receive Russia Today in Canada, but other than the internet, I've found this to be the only TV source reporting in any detail at all about the OWS, OWSLSX movements.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I !ve actually been seeing some coverage of OWS.
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  good to hear; that "some coverage" you are talking about was is at least half the time they spent covering Lindsay's Lohan latest BS?
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Sally's Troveposted 13 years ago
It's going to be a cold day in hell before the OWS movement gets mainstream media coverage like the Gulf War did. The 1% funded the Viet Nam, Gulf, Afghanistan, and Iraq wars and continues to fund Wall Street and the media. The OWS protest is news they're determined to ignore, downplay, and snuff out.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes...even C-Span! Which always covered TP, and covered the Stewart/Colbert thing too.
  
  I don't get it.....
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I get it just fine - they don't want people to know and especially they do not want to show the police arresting and brutalizing people: this is not Beirut, remember?
  Why would they report what is going on and show the agly face of reality? We are a "country of law", the "greatest country in the world", an "example of democracy and human rights", not to mention all the other slogans that are supposed to get the people drank on water
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  From my perspective, when the media refuse to report on something so massive, not only are they losing the war regarding propaganda, but the grip on a nation.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, I'm just disappointed. Oh well, there's still Keith Olbermann....my favorite ever line about Palin" "That woman is an idiot."
  
  He's not compromised, it seems. I hope. Ole Beck has gone off the deep end.
  
  The crazy moon has risen.
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uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years ago
What they need is a really good banner and a catchy song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCFibtD3H_k
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  DonDWestposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Leave it to the cold war generation to post such useless propaganda. . . Oh no, the KGB is coming, the KGB is coming, the KGB is coming!!! Heard it all before; get over it. The worse that ever came from that era is the government made you hide under your school desk doing "nuclear war" drills. The threat was greatly exaggerated; and you're still living in paranoia of the big bad red army much to the detriment of us all. Get with the times!
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Tell that to the Kulaks. Ignorance of history is shameful.
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  mortimerjacksonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your inability to form coherent sentences in a site for writers is shameful. Also, your sense of perspective is ridiculous. Please do not comment on politics if you insist on not understanding reality.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So you are the arbiter of all things political? Who were the kulaks? The cost of communism was born by people outside the United States. The hands of socialists, fascists, Nazis and communists are red with the blood of what ever 1% drew their ire. Whether it was the Jews of Europe, the Kulaks or eye glass wearers. The 1% have been dragged into the streets and butchered by people who do not understand history or nature or economics. Tell that to the Kulaks. Ignorance of history is shameful. Two complete sentences, two clear statements. I think you may have something sticky and brown on your glasses. Perhaps if you wiped them off you might see you left your head someplace unseemly.
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Bolshevic Revolution was financed by J.P Morgan - how is that for ignoring history?
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He has the history about right, there are always winners and losers in times of change - get over it. Maybe you should recall that the whole idea of Communism came from the horrendous repression of the populations in those countries that chose that route of revolution - change is coming to you next, you would be better advised to join the civilized protest movement rather than stoke the fires of violence.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The violent suppression of the Kulaks and the resulting famine is one of the high water marks of Soviet Oppression. The Communists slaughtered and starved tens of millions in the Soviet Union alone. The horrendous repression of the population was taken to new heights under Communist regimes. The regimes they replaced had been brutal and repressive in their own rights but never aspired to the brutality exhibited time and again by Communists. Even the Nazis were pikers compared to Stalin and Mao.
  
  The violence is coming. The occupy movements here and abroad are supported by those who crave violence. The American Nazi Party and the Revolutionary Communist Party are both big fans of the occupy people. Neither of those groups are known for their loving and generous ways. Besides, much of the rhetoric in the occupy groups has been inflammatory and violent.
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  DonDWestposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, you lost me when you claimed the Jews were victims of communism because the Jews were rich. Last I checked, the Bolsheviks were Jews, including the guy on your poster. It’s a little hard to debate history when you're equating every atrocity of the past century with a communist boogeyman.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of … nd_Zionism
  
  http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso … sia.html#l
  
  Perhaps you should learn a little about the history of Communism before dismissing it as a Bogeyman. The body count under the Soviet and Chinese Communists exceeds 100 million.
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The entire communist ideology was created by Jews - and implemented by them; so what exactely is your point?!
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.marxmail.org/faq/antisemitism.htm
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The point was that Jews were also oppressed by the Communists but that is an old story through out Anti-Semitic Europe.
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you are confusing the issues and Jewish oppression during the nazi regime has nothing to do with what is going on right now and the frustration of people from around the world, unless of course you are making the assumption that the financial system is controled by them. Is that what you are saying?
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The revolutionary movements of the left have always resulted in greater oppression and violence not less. This includes the rise of Nazism/Fascism - the original point was, however, a response to a rather ahistorical reference to the irrelevancy of Soviet Communism in the US. It may have been of little genuine significance to everyday life here but it was very important to the people of Europe.
  
  There has also been a rather vocal anti-semitism among the occupy groups. With the endorsement of the American Nazi Party it is more relevant than one might suppose.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I suspect you are making most of this up, perhaps you can supply some evidence that these parties either support the protests or crave violence. Perhaps you can also back up your claim that the 'rhetoric' of the protest groups has been inflammatory and violent - beyond the obvious and laughable 'plants' that have been exposed as plain clothes police trying to cause trouble that they can then use to suppress everyone around them; or the banks that illegally imprisoned its customers trying to close their accounts; or the police forcing crowds of people onto a bridge so that they could beat and arrest those that fell off the pavement
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://whitehonor.com/white-power/the-o … -movement/
  
  http://occupywallst.org/forum/american- … g-the-pro/
  
  http://www.cpusa.org/communist-party-he … -movement/
  
  http://www.cleveland.com/naymik/index.s … trati.html
  
  http://www.almanacnews.com/news/show_story.php?id=9856
  
  http://www.gaypatriot.net/2011/10/12/th … ccupation/
  
  http://melvin-udall.livejournal.com/1306153.html
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You have to be kidding me !! What kind of dog doo doo are you getting your stuff from, no wonder you have such a weird take on things
  
  A few rather odd individuals post to some extreme websites and from that you conclude that the hundreds of thousands of protestors have the support of the Nazi party and every anti-semitic hate group that America breeds !
  
  On a side note - You look and talk exactly like a Canadian ex-buddy who teaches economics here in China, he doesn't know much about the realities of economics either
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Pretty certain I did not use the word every. The support of the American Nazi Party for the occupy Wall Street people has been made public.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I can vouch for this as you kindly posted the link for me to read. It does appear though that the Nazi party are attempting to hijack a political movement which is gaining momentum for their own ends. As opposed to aligning themselves to a like minded, or ideologically driven movement, in the same vein. So it doesn't necessarily follow that OWS protesters have an antisemitic stance.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There have been some antisemitic rants by some of those attending these protests - but idiots are not uncommon, anywhere. I would not plaster the occupy people with the label of antisemitic but the media and liberal politicians were all to willing to make out the entire TEA party movement as racist.(as some in these forums have)
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How old are you, anyway?
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The ideas that liberals love are as old as Cain and Abel. One man has more than me, I don't think that is fair so I empower the state to take from him and give to me. How old is that idea? As old as the first child who had to share. Liberalism breeds infantile ideas about human nature and the nature of property.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Aren't you assuming too much from the "Cain and Abel" fable? It wasn't about Abel having more than Cain. It was because Cain did not get the recognition he deserved for his hard work. Come to think of it, perhaps you were correct using the old tale showing how hard work isn't always rewarded by the PTB. Too bad for them!
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Except that in this case, we aren't complaining that he HAS more, but rather about how he got it and how he gets to keep it protected and how he manipulates our laws to get more and more.
  
  We WANT you to have "more" if you are smart enough or lucky enough to get it. But not when you cheat other people to get it, not when you buy laws that favor you and punish others, not when your voice drowns out millions of ours.
  
  Nobody wants enforced financial equality. We want forced financial FAIRNESS.
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kripkrip420posted 13 years ago
Sorry for being ignorant to the situation, but, I am not an American citizen. I have seen some Youtube videos about the protests but I don't fully understand the purpose. I know it has something to do with corporations taking money from the people and the Government supporting them. Am I right? Could someone fill me in with a bit more detail? Thank you!
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  google up Occupy Wall Street and you will find out.
  The fact you never heard about it proves my point entirely; the madia is giving it little or no coverage because it is not in the best interest of the ones who created the mess in the first place (the same ones that own the media and make the rules that protect them and their fortunes)
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Something like that. Inequality of wealth and income have increased greatly in recent years. The big Wall Street banks took risky and dishonest actions with subprime mortgage securities and plunged the US and much of the world into a deep economic recession. The government bailed the banks out with taxpayer money and now they are back at their old tricks. Unprecedented unemployment and inequality have shaken the faith of many Americans in our democratic free enterprise system.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago

Gonna be a long night.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
Right. I've noticed how many of the OWS protesters are wearing brown shirts.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
Anti-semitism in what way? Do you mean that protesters are equating big bankers/high finance with Jews? As in Jews control Wall Street?
Or am I missing the point?

FYI, demonstrators arrested at Occupy Sacramento have been banned FOR LIFE from Caesar Chavez Park (how crazy is THAT!???). And no, it didn't make the local TV news.
Hmmm.... Petra, I think you're onto something sinister here!!!
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://thehill.com/homenews/house/18867 … protestors
  
  http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/10/an … treet.html
  
  http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65307.html
  
  Apparently ows is welcoming those hate filled tea partiers with open arms.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why were they banned from Chavez Park?
  
  Wasn't the ban retracted?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s6lCU_4a3U
  
  Isn't California run by Democrats - even in police departments? Gotta love Sacramento.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGV9vE7 … re=related
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  Mighty Momposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In a word: Paperwork.
  It's a small technicality.
  Any of the dozens of homeless and panhandlers who inhabit Chavez Park daily could have set the OWS protesters straight on how it all works.
  
  The main problem with Sacramento is we have no "Wall Street" or any identifiable financial or business center in which to protest.
  Sad. Really, really sad.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hasn't that ban been lifted? Does Sacramento have a governor's palace? That is where they should be protesting. The ruination of California is the direct result of lunatics running the legislature and voting idiots like Jerry Brown back into office. California is finished, it is large enough that it will take generations to empty out and pass back to Mexican ownership but it is finished.
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  Mighty Momposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This is not a protest of state government.
  
  And for the record, Governor Brown lives in an apartment a few blocks from the capitol. Not even King Arnold lived in the Governor's Mansion.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's right that hypocrite lived on his estate in Beverly Hills, or was it Brent Wood, jetted in to do the states business and then preached to us all about how our life styles were polluting the world and causing global warming. Actors are deeply flawed people.
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mighty Mom,
  Too bad that this movment is not seen as a government protest. I have a thread in the political forum http://hubpages.com/forum/right-time-wrong-place
  Wall Street as an institution is only a consequence and a part of the problem; the root of it is in Washington
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  Mighty Momposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I hear ya on that. What some people seem to not be able to grasp (intentionally, it seems) is that OWS is not ONLY protesting Wall Street.
  It's protesting the reality of America today.
  
  A Washington-only protest isn't gonna work (THe Tea Party's been there, failed with that).
  A big-business-only protest is too narrowly focused. Yes, the big banks need to be held accountable.
  But they're only part of the problem as well.
  
  It's really the insidious interplay between Washington and Wall Street that we, John Q American Public, have to expose and expunge.
  BOTH are culpable. Washington policies and Wall Street practices continue to hurt American citizens.
  
  We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it up the shorts from ANYONE anymore!!!
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
All this stuff is just what Beck says....isn't that right? He has gone so far as to say OWS will kill everybody.

It's truly pathetic the lengths money people go to twist everything up.
Pathetic that those wall street brokers laugh at people fighting their oppression. Pathetic that the priviledged Wharton students had the nerve to tell people whose fortunes were stolen by scumbags in THEIR future occupation to "get a job".

Pahetic how little these people seduced by wealth understand about anything. It reminds me of the story of Bhudda.
"Everything is fine son, don't see the world for what it is"
"But father, why are so many suffering?"
"Son, CLOSE YOUR EYES. You have it made.....don't worry about those other people"

They would do well to remember the parable in the bible, of the big powerful guy who died and was left in a dead zone, craving water. Craving,and parched with thirst. And no one could help him, because he was reaping what he sowed in life. "I never knew you" Jesus will say.
WHY?
Cause he turned a blind eye to the suffering of his fellow man. Even though he was well able to help.

It is just pathetc. And Beck is the King of Pathetic. He wouldn't know a true feeling if it bit him in the wazooo.
"Ouch! What was that?" Oh never mind: "Down with OWS! Down with OWS!""Communist/Socialist/Anti-American/Lazy/Bums...."

Meanwhile, Palin, who doesn't speak to "the people" for less than $100,000 is a true American Patriot. snark
She's fighting for Koch's right to pollute!! And those Wharton kid's right to scam "the people" just like their predecessors did.

taxed enough already....give it to the white collar criminals!!!
IMHO
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The vast majority of what OWS stands for is the exact same thing that Ron Paul stands for:
  
  http://lewrockwell.com/spl3/a-lesson-in-democracy.html
  
  And the media blackout is an extension of their blackout of Ron Paul.
  
  The media is biased toward government power.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know, Evan. What about the EPA, for example? Isn't it Ron Paul's position that it shouldn't exist?
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Considering how filthy the occupy people are leaving every place of protest I would bet they aren't big fans of the EPA either. Or are they like the typical liberal, supporters of the rules when they apply to everyone else but ignore those same rules. The true believer exempts himself from the system he imposes on all others(paraphrase of Eric Hoffer)
  
  Just ask this guy:
  
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  Home Girlposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This guy is dead. Too much red anyway. We are wiser now. Well, I hope so.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This is the foolishness of the contemporary. We always think that some how we are morally superior to those who came before us. If we grew more moral with time than we is the bloodiest century in the history of the world the one we left just eleven short years ago?
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think so.
  
  Nobody who truly values freedom can be for Ron Paul.
  
  Would we have civil rights laws without a strong central government? Would the CDC be able to protect us from a State that doesn't care to enforce food safety because they think profits matter most?
  
  Who would protect the rights of minorities? It's hard enough now with some of the yahoo State legislators we have.
  
  Could we have been half so effective against organized crime without a strong central government?
  
  There's a "media blackout" because most of us recognize that local rule makes it too easy to hide prejudice and corruption. Like it or not, we have NATIONAL interests - that's why the original 13 colonies banded together in the first place.
  
  I've followed the #occupy movements closely. Yes, there are Libertarians among them, but I do not get any impression that they represent anything but a foolish and naive minority view.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No...Monied Power.
  That's why they were in love with George Bush.--HE was part of the gvt too. But he was the "Right" gvt.
  
  And yes, Ron Paul has been part of the Truth Movement for a long time, but then WHY does he want the Bush tax cuts made permanent?
  These OWS kids would be pretty bummed to learn there are no more loans and aide available for college, no more aide for nursing-home care, and that business would be UN regulated!!!
  
  All gvt would do is have a military, and he says NO cuts to DOD!
  
  Give all power to states...is a recipe for discrimination.
  
  He does not question 9/11, and says Israel is our friend.
  
  And he has a wack son. Apples don't fall far from the tree.....just too much that doesn't fit there. IMO
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  From what I can see, Libertarians either live in some part of the country that has been frozen in time since 1850 or wish that they did.
  
  They think we still live on farms, are self sufficient and the only national problem they need to worry about are the renegade injuns down the creek aways.
  
  It sure ain't 1850, is it?
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Are you nuts?
  
  The government that you whack-job liberals are married to are having an affair with the richer, stronger, and sexier corporations
  
  You can't compete with them because they shower your 'wife' with gifts from Tiffany's every day.
  
  I'm shocked at what I'm hearing. "Libertarians think we live in the 1850s".
  
  Tell me EXACTLY how the role of government has changed, and I'll bother responding to this idiotic claim.
  
  THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT HAS NOT CHANGED IN MILLENIA.
  
  Government is still a group of idiots who steal money from the poor and give to the rich.
  
  And you're asking for more.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  'Nuff said.
  
  Living in the 1850's, just as I said.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  tell me one function of government that has changed in the past 100 years, and I'll show you nonsense.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Environmental Protection Agency.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wow! You learn something new everyday! I didn't know there was an EPA in 1911!
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thats the point, sorry you missed it.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I didn't miss it at all. The EPA has only been around since 1970. It has not had 100 years in which to change. Just sayin'.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The fact that it exists is the change...just saying
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  These guys sometimes screw up and accidentally point out foolishness to one of their own :-)
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The EPA isn't a necessary change in the role of government.
  
  Next.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If nothing has changed, then what is it you are all in a dither about? If nothing has changed, everything must be just as the Founders designed it.
  
  I know there's no point in actually answering you, because you'll twist anything into some overriding function that has always existed.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  what ROLE of government has changed.
  
  Not, what has government begun to do different.
  
  Those sentences are very different, and I'm a bit disappointed in your response.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Who ever said its role has changed?
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You did when you claimed that libertarians think that the world is the same as it was in 1850.
  
  The biggest difference between Liberals and libertarians is the role of government - your statement insists that the role of government has changed in the last 150 years.
  
  Go for it.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I can't even parse what you said.
  
  No role has changed. Programs change, laws change, but roles don't.
  
  You are dragging a gigantic red herring across this thread, You are winning an argument nobody made.
  
  The SIZE of government has had to increase as the problems we face have changed. But you want to pretend that the weak Federal government of 1850 is all we need today. It would destroy us.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The role of government is to eat the freedom of its citizens until they become subjects and eventually serfs. It is through capturing all authority that government can guarantee stability, a freedom from the unpredictable(unless the emperor is syphilitic.) The overwhelming history of the world is a history of stability for the serf. Up at dawn, eat what is available - no matter how little - labor for his masters as long as the sun shines and go to sleep when the sun goes down.
  
  Given the opportunity this is the course all governments have pursued. It is only through sweeping cultural or technological upheaval that this changed. The history of humanity is not the history of class struggle - Marx was a self loathing idiot - it is a history of violence and oppression by government.
  
  The occupy people are also foolish seeking to reward a corrupt government by stripping property from citizens and growing ever larger in scope, reach, authority, power, wealth and control. Brilliant prescription for oppression.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Useful idiots.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Our man Vladimir had something to say about that:
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  WE are government - or at least here in the U.S. we are.
  
  Our PURPOSE is to provide for the common good and to resolve disputes as best we are able.
  
  That's US. You, me and the other guy. That's what our Constitution says. "We the people, of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
  
  US. People. US. Try to get that through the Faux supplied sound bites that keep you from hearing anything true.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We are government yet "we" in our brilliance elected a man who just loves transferring enormous funds to his capitalist cronies like Solyndra. Bailing out banks, making the "green" economy the "dollar bill green" economy.
  
  "We" seem to love the corruption that "we" encourage from those evil bankers and Wall Street types.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, we don't.
  
  Can't you get it through your head that this is what #occupy is all about? Get the influence of big money out of politics.
  
  OK, you hate Obama. I get that - the only reason I voted for him and will vote for him again is that all other choices are even worse. I understand your dislike.
  
  The system has been corrupted by money. Let's fix that first and then and only then do we have a chance at returning our democracy to its rightful owners.
  
  Simply put, WAKE UP! Stop listening to the jackasses who want to keep the corruption going. Stop believing their lies and parroting them back here like good little soldiers.
  
  I don't like everybody in #occupy. I don't like the Nazis, the Commies, the Anarchists and the Libertarians. But if they can be made to see that reducing or eliminating corruption by money is a goal we all can share, I'll stomach them for now.
  
  Do you LIKE money buying our laws?
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Brilliant! Vote for the idiot because you don't like the other idiots. Liberal logic on display.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Our POTUS is far from an idiot.
  
  There was no one else I *could* vote for. The Tea Party candidate? No, thank you. The crazy Libertarian? No. Some Communist?
  
  No, I voted for the person who at least said the right words, even if I suspected then that he'd renege on some of them.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not an idiot? What has he done? TOTUS is not an idiot just the one reading the words is.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I find the flow of power that liberals perceive amusing. No matter how big the bank it has no armored divisions. If the state seeks to seize the property of or merely bankrupt a business - no matter how big - it can do so. Many businesses have been destroyed by the IRS by mistake. Many businesses are not allowed to open in certain locations because of the political connections of the family or friends of the competition - regardless of how wealthy the denied company is.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, "we" have been blind and stupid for a long time. Have you ever considered the most compelling result of mass protests?
  
  AWAKENING.
  
  Of course, one has to open your eyes first.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  WOW, Fox News is amazing and powerful - they are able to influence me despite my never watching television news. I read my news and from more than one source but hey what ever feeds your delusion that there is an objective truth and it is your monopoly.
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Now it all makes sense...no wonder your views are so off the wall- Fox news did a number on you and it shows
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Fox News is merely one link in the pipeline through which the sewage flows. One can get the same sludge from many places.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well hopefully the occupy people will get around to banning all of that once they redistribute the wealth and round up the Jews. I wonder when the big red banners will make their appearance or will it be the red arm bands. Either way it will be the end of liberty if liberals finally realize that great utopian vision of the all powerful centralized state.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  Your paranoia is showing.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Paranoia or history. The history of humanity is not the history of class struggle, like that idiot Marx wrote, but the history of oppressive governmental elites. What can be more elite than a government run by College Professors and Bureaucrats?
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A government run by lackeys bought and paid for by the uber-wealthy.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I don't think so.
  
  Yes, there is some of that, especially today. But for the most part, people enter politics not because they have been "bought" for that purpose, but because they have something they want to accomplish.
  
  That something may be feathering their own nest or be much more noble. They may have good intentions or bad, demanding morals or none at all, but once they enter the cesspool, they find that the need for money becomes an overriding concern.
  
  Even being "bought" here isn't always black and white. It isn't always "Here's $10,000, vote for this". It's more likely, "You vote for this and I can help you get other people to vote for the thing you want and, by the way, here's $10,000" or "Here is a study prepared by our experts that shows why you should vote for this and, I almost forgot, here's $10,000"
  
  It's "Give me a special tax break and I won't yank 2,000 jobs out of your district" and "We need those pollution laws weakened or we'll close the factory" and "Raising the minimum wage would be a really bad idea if you want us to keep hiring people here". It's "We spent $250,000 on this study that proves pouring our waste into the river is absolutely harmless!"
  
  It's dinners and "fact-finding" trips with perks thrown in for the spouses and maybe the kids. It's promises of lucrative contracts for your friends, visions of comfy consulting gigs if you leave office. It's corruption, yes, but I guarantee you that most would be highly insulted if you said they are corrupt - especially those that still are honestly trying to do something good.
  
  It's not black and white and that is one of the many reasons it never will be curbed entirely.
  
  That is not meant to sound defeatist. I believe we can improve, can cleanse it at least somewhat. I believe we can and must put limits on how much wealth and power can be concentrated in one place - that's why we have the three branches of government, you know - to counterbalance too much power in one place, right?
  
  I don't know the best way to counter concentrated wealth but I do know that is what we need to do.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is too late - the process has moved on to the point where it cannot be stopped. We are all in corporate ownership already, the political system is already owned by the 1%.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You mean like the current one. Wall Street and the financial sector donated more to Obama than any other candidate.
  
  http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contr … =N00009638
  
  Goldman-Sachs
  JP Morgan-Chase, etc...bought and paid for??
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No doubt about it. Democrats and Repubkicans are caught up in the same net.
  
  But at least the Dems recognize a bit more reality than the Republicans. The tax hikes they want are not nearly enough, but at least they aren't being stubborn fools.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Fiddling with it is pointless - the bits that can be 'adjusted' are just playthings to distract you from the real action. It is blindingly simple, the 1% have all the means of production, and own the means of distribution also. There is nothing you can do about the corporations that own everything of use and value except through government change, complete change. The occupy protest movement is going on all over the world and yet it does not appear in the mainstream censored media - the control is near complete and without massive change NOW it will be too late.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I certainly understand the difficulty, yet I'm not ready to roll over and bare my throat.
  
  We may failo, but we have to try.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, like the current one, and I mean Congress. We must find a way to get big money out of politics.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  YOu mean like Obama - raising a billion from receivers of direct patronage - like Solyndra, light Squared and others?
  
  Best way to get big money out is require absolute 100% full disclosure of all sources. Make all sources individuals - no pacs, 527s, unions, corporations or parties - only personal individual contributions and those need to be 100% traceable and no limits.
  
  Big money isn't the problem. Money isn't the problem with anything. Money is a tool. It is the user of the tool that matters.
  
  Sunshine is the best disinfectant.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you that 100% disclosure is needed, and you're right, money is the tool.
  
  Your constant blaming of one man, though, is tiresome. He didn't invent the system and isn't the worst offender.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you mean GWB or Cheney or Halliburton? I guess you are right - that is two people and a corporation. So much better that way. As for "he didn't invent the system," what a dodge. If something is corrupt and wrong and I continue it then I am as dirty as those before me , even the worst offender(I contend that is Obama).
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Did I say anything about those three? Once again, you seem to be talking to someone in your head.
  
  By the way, I also agree that Obama is now as dirty as those before him. He has been a shameful disappointment.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  One could only be disappointed in Barry if one expected something from him. Since he had no record of accomplishment on which to run, I would think that expecting anything would have been a flight of fancy. Therefore, Barry is giving exactly what his prior experience promised, nothing.
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  Blah blah blah, Barry is bad.
  
  I believe that the timing of the OWS movement is partly a result of the people's disappointment in Obama, and the realization that it doesn't matter who is President because the system is rigged.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Than why no anti-Obama protests? Why the occupy people getting a presidential endorsement? Why no occupy Washington? Why heroine dealing, rape, filth, pollution, littering, skin heads and neo-Nazis among the occupy people isn't being conflated into a description of that group when a couple of nutballs became the symbol of the TEA party movement.
  
  You are right the system is rigged. Democrats get a pass from the massive media. The offenses of the liberal are ignored or plastered over. Sounds rigged.
  
  Blah, blah, Bush is bad. Blah, blah, Rush is bad. Blah, blah, Republicans are bad. Blah, Blah rich people are bad.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, we aren't giving the Dems a pass.
  
  We do vote for people who at least give lip service to the ideals we value. So, yeah, Republicans ARE "bad" - at least in general at this particular moment in time.
  
  If they would throw out the Tea Party fools and the religious right, I and many other people might not be so caustic toward them and perhaps some progress could be made. But if they are going to stick to religion and no taxes as their plank, no, I'm going to fight them tooth and nail.
  
  There are things Democrats do that I detest, but - overall - they match my desires far better than the GOP.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So the crony capitalism of Solyndra, Light Squared and Sunpower is ignored despite the growing list of "green" cronies and the dollars that, when added up, eclipse any Halliburton no bid contract. Why, because Democrats get a pass.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Again, you aren't reading. I hate Dems corruption by money as much as I hate it on the other side.
  
  That doesn't change the fact that I detest the GOP for its general stances.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are chewing on detestation and hatred, good.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, look who is talking :-)
  
  Funny, funny guy, you really are!
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't hate liberals any more than I hate someone with a dissociative psychological disorder. I don't hold ones delusions against their person. I do, however, resist the effort of those people to impose on everyone a system based on the delusion of a worldly utopia governed by a liberal elite.
  
  Oh yeah - I know you are but what am I?
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, no, you don't hate Obama, right?
  
  What utopia are you imagining? I never asled for utopia - I ask for FAIRNESS.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know Obama. I didn't want to see him as President. I don't want to see him re-elected. Hate takes a toll, but you should know that by now. As for "fairness" that is, itself, a fuzzy, subjective and fanciful notion. One that lends itself well as a building block for liberal utopia.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, so you think it is good that a corporation can buy special tax treatment for itself?
  
  You must think it's wonderful when your voice is drowned out by the uber-rich.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  One cannot be bought if one doesn't choose to be bought. Corruption requires corruptibility. How does one buy favorable tax treatment from Republicans who wish to establish an exemption and excuse free flat tax. A tax constantly resisted by Democrats precisely because it removes two things crucial to Democrat victory - the ability to sell tax benefits and the power to socially engineer via the tax code. After all, how can one construct a utopia without vast amounts of power and control?
  
  Drown out by the uber-rich, Bill Gates gets one vote. I get one vote. Barrack Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, et all... were elected by the same system as every other President with out error for over 200 years. Where does one go to buy more votes. Again, only the corruptible can be corrupted. Politicians and voters must be willing partners in such corruption. The cooperation of businesses in that corruption is a consequence of governments power over business.
  
  Where are Goldman-Sachs armored divisions? Government awards tax benefits to business to garner the favor of voters - take a look at the benefits and protections afforded unions. Government also promises tax benefits to gain financial support during campaigns. Who approaches whom and from where does the real power flow?
  
  Like all liberals, you mistakenly place the flow of power on the wrong vector. You also presume that sufficient money will corrupt a politician instead of sufficient power over business corrupting him, instead.
  
  It would be trite to quote Lord Acton here.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Barry may be a bad President but I would never speculate on the man. He is however completely incompetent and very weak. The eruption across the Muslim world is a reaction to the weakness of the West.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh no....OWS is seeking to get property back that has been solen by Robber Barons, namely, the wealth and well-being of the Unite States of America.
  And the people of other countries all over the world.
  
  Money has hi-jacked gvts, not the other way around.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What is a robber baron? How does one become a robber baron? How beefy does your resume have to be to get that gig?
  
  The original robber barons were part of the government. The current crop of greedy, powerful men who take what they want when ever they want with no fear of challenge are called Congressman, Senator or Mr. President.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ...or is some cases, Vice-President.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are right Al Gore sure has benefited from his stint at the Naval Observatory.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But not as much as the Cheneymeister.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Really? How did Cheney benefit - good replacement parts for his mechanical heart? If you ay Haliburton in your response I will know how bogus it is. Time to get a new game rooted in the real. Cheney not only dumped his Haliburton stock when he accepted the nomination he donated a large part f the proceeds to charity. Republicans do things like that - give to charity - unlike Democrat misers who expect that voting for an ever expanding federal government is the best charity.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So you know for a fact Cheney didn't benefit from the war or the wealth it brought to some companies? You forgot to mention the bonus he got when he left his former company--the name of his previous employer escapes me at the moment as does the bonus he received when he left to seek the vice presidential office--but I'm sure you'll be glad to refresh my memory concerning these details.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OH MY GOD, a bonus!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!
  
  what an affront to all things decent. How dare he receive a bonus for his private actions with a private company.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, more like Koch, Rockefeller and Rothschild.
  
  We can vote the pols out...how do we get rid of these bums?
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And Koch, Blankfein, and a thousand greedy banksters and CEOs who are paying themselves as if they were Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Bill Gates who actually originated something useful.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not really much of an answer.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Does that mean you disagree? If so, why?
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  More like the late 1700s, before electricity, coal-fired power plants, automobiles, air planes, hydro-fracking, vaccines, prescription drugs,steam engines, the industrial revolution and other developments which led to our imperfect but democratically-adopted government institutions and regulations for which you fail to comprehend the need.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, every single self-professed Libertarian I know personally is a HUGE hypocrite. None of them are living their values; several are government employees. One continues to tell me that the government (which she works for) is going to come and confiscate my farm, slaughter all my animals, and feed them to the masses! Another claims she had NO help getting her college degree, conveniently forgetting that she lived with her parents the entire time, received her preparatory education from the local public school, and used her parents' health care (daddy works for a regional governmental organization) to pay for a major medical procedure while she was in college. Of course, anyone else who maybe didn't have those advantages and didn't manage to go to college are just lazy asses.
  
  I know it's all anecdotal, but it is also TRUE.
  
  What is wrong with people, that they are so self-centered to think that their successes belong ONLY to them? Very few people can truly claim that, if they are honest with themselves.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know. But that's the "53%", sometimes but not necessarily tied up with Libertarians. Did you see http://persephonemagazine.com/2011/10/d … e-student/ for example?
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent breakdown of what many of us already knew was bull$hit.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Who do you think their success belongs to? You?
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, it comes from all of us.
  
  The roads that our taxes built let me travel to my customers. The banking system that our Federal Reserve helps keep stable let me bill them and collect the money.
  
  The schools that I went to were financed by our tax dollars. The food that nourished me was made safer by government programs.
  
  I was also made safe from assault and robbery by police forces again supported by taxes from all of us.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  +1
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  GoGreenTipsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hate to tell you but if you truly research the history of central banking, who's behind it, then you will see that it is designed to create the boom and bust cycles. Yes the government has a role, keeping the playing field equal, but as it stands the government is shifted to where it has become the champion of banking and corporate interests.
  
  Yes the government should fund schools, but should we be fighting wars overseas when our education system is in shambles? Our priorities are wrong..entirely.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, I always love the "I hate to tell you" opening.
  
  Read some history. No, we haven't always been completely successful because economics is probably even more complicated than weather, but it certainly was DESIGNED to stop the booms and busts.
  
  Perhaps you, being apparently much smarter than anyone else who has ever thought about it, can tell us how to fix it so no such things ever happen again. What a boon to mankind that will be!
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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh no! No more loans for college?!
  
  A COLLEGE DEGREE IS ALMOST WORTHLESS.
  
  I have a master's and I can't find a job with health care.
  
  Most kids are graduating 30k in debt and can't find jobs.
  
  All that "reducing the number of loans" would do, would be to make a degree worth something and to reduce the cost of a degree.
  
  Supply and Demand are economic laws, and you can't just legislate them away.
  
  "Hey! I know! Let's just print money and give it to kids to go to college!" --- Man, too bad the cavemen didn't think of this thousands of years ago, otherwise we'd all be living on the moon.
  
  "Hey! I know! Let's make it illegal to NOT own health insurance! Then health care would be affordable!" -- Oh man! Why didn't anyone think of this before?!
  
  Oh wait, I know why. Because it's the dumbest thing anyone could ever say.
  
  Wake up - government can't solve your problems.
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  GoGreenTipsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I second that!
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Chinese gvt tries to censor net. BUT....
  *****
  
  Thebes Today 12:42 AM
  
  "Once again China is copying American businesses.
  The first few days of the #occupywallstreet YAHOO was censoring emails. Corporations are always quicker than governments.
  
  Of course, China admits that they are intentionally subverting Free Speech. Yahoo issued a bullsh*t excuse that the corporate media pretended to believe."
  
  ******
  
  "Corporations are always quicker than governments"......to shut people up.
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  wait and see...How long do you think our government will allow the internet to be up and running?
  NOT LONG, I can assure you - it is after all the major tool of communication for the occupy wall street movement and for the rest of us
  Having us informed and united IS NOT in their best interest and that is precisly why the media (their strongest propaganda tool) is ignoring what's happening.
  Nothing new under the sun... they MAKE the NEWS instead or reporting the news and put a spin anyway they want knowing that if they repeat it long enough it will stick - at least with some.
  It is called manipulation and being selective with the truth, but is what MEDIA DOES BEST
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's Lieberman and Specter that are pushing for the kill switch....
  
  Interesting. 2 guys who switched parties to gain power, and act like NOTHING like they purport to be.
  
  Lieberman wants discussion of the Holocaust outlawed on college campuses....guess what they want censored on the net? Not brain surgery.
  
  9/11....that gets a big back-lash, their whole game is blown to smithereens.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, the same tactics they used in Eqypt etc and they want to use in the UK. Although problematic in terms of organization of the movements etc, I think this will just lead to even greater dissent and civil disobedience. They cannot stop the unstoppable for long.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Petra, you have a suspicious, near paranoid, view of our government. No democratic government, least of all the U.S., is likely to suspend the Internet. The cat is out of the bag.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If the UK is used as some kind of yardstick though Ralph, money can bypass the leaders and make it's way to the police and security services. I'm thinking about the way the Murdoch press had not only direct dealings with the police as a governmental body, but bribed and bought it's heads.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  People like Murdoch and police are problems all over the world.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They are, that's very true. But, I think that the scenario I mentioned goes someway toward highlighting that certain police forces do not necessarily take their directives from Governments, as they so often purport. There can be another factor in the equation.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely. Pakistan is a perfect example. So was J. Edgar Hoover in the US.
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I HAVE GOOD RESONS Ralph to be suspicious of governments in general and the American one in particular. The hypocrisy I see and hear everywher I turn makes me sick.
  Paranoid I am not, but I do know the signs of oppression - repression better than what I care to remember.
  Do you still believe that America is in any possition to talk about "democracy" and human rights?
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I do. But our hands aren't clean. Democracy and human rights are relative. The US is far from perfect, but it's more perfect than most other countries. Good government is a scarce commodity and perfect government is non-existent.
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  WOW, democracy and human rights are RELATIVE, Ralph? I guess they are just that when America is the judge and the jury.
  What can I say? WE are the freedom fighters - everyone else is a terrorist; problem solved
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You misinterpret what I said. I repeat, no country offers ideal human rights, no government is perfect. There are degrees, i.e., some countries are at one end of the spectrum, e.g., Zimbabwe or Afghanistan, perhaps, and others are toward the more civilized end of the human rights spectrum. There are plenty of human rights deficiencies in the United States and in its actions in other countries, of which I am well aware and equally critical of them as you.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
"Government is still a group of idiots who steal money from the poor and give to the rich."

-----As in, the Bush tax cuts, which Paul wants to make permanent!!!

65% of income went to the top class with that idea, while middle class fell.

It's really quite silly to say it's the gvt's fault, and then want us to vote that same gvt back in!
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Voting in new carrier politicians will chang NOTHING even if before getting elected they make promisses of all kinds. The minute new blood gets in the most infested town in the nation - Washington, that is - they get just as corrupted as the ones we voted out of office
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Andrew Sullivan on how he learned to love the ‘g*ddam hippies’—and why their protests aren’t going to end.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2 … ppies.html
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
Radicalactive Breeder
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
Eric Hoffer? I liked that guy a San Francisco long shore-man. He had some good original ideas, but my radical friends didn't like him. But I can't remember why. Maybe 'cause they were from the suburbs.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hoffer was an anti-Communist and in the Ordeal of Change indicts the third world liberation movements as being lead by opportunistic "men of words" who are more than willing to replace "men of action" with a ruling elite. It is a hallmark of liberal "thought" that a few brilliant elitists and theorists can create a utopian paradise. It is for brilliant academics like the entire Obama administration to formulate for all the rest of us the means of attaining that utopian paradise.
  
  Hoffer wrote about Obama before Obama was even born.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
"Rich People Create Jobs! And five other myths that must die for our economy to live"

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/10 … reate-jobs
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sgf468posted 13 years ago
You know, people sort of get tired of an event after a while. I do. That does not mean that I am unsympathetic to the issues involved, but after the news repeats itself 8 or 10 times it's just old news. Now if Anderson Cooper got on it with a new and fresh perspective it would be interesting again.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Who says they're not organized?

http://www.nycga.net/
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
Kind of like solitaire.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Ahaha...did you go to the site? They are so far ahead, they don't even hear the Beckian-type-Bashing!! They are planning this new world already!! Without us!

Man oh man..did we underestimate them. All this time talking peace and love....they are talking organization and a world with art as money! Time as money....in fact: keeping money out of it alltogether!

Gotta LOVE this generation. Practical and wise... no illusions about the white-picket fence.
But ideas and energy galore.

Namaste, and pass the Starbucks ....(yuk.)
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Neil Sperlingposted 13 years ago
We need a complete perception shift to clean things up. Arguing left and right values is how we got into this mess in the first place. My hub Middle Class To Zero looks at the change we need -- I agree with the posts Petra has made here.... they want us in the dark so they can continue their controlling agenda... but it is time we threw away old beliefs and traditions and stood up together and stopped participating in the established controllers plans.

How do we do that? --- a complete perception shift is needed to complete any required change.

We need to stop making such a huge deal about manufacturing "things" and we have to start making a big deal about building character.

Build a new man from the inside out. No longer running from who we are inside.

Are you ready to give up the struggle to survive, and really learn to love life and love living?

“We are the ones we have been waiting for.”
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry, but I might disagree. I say might because I haven't read your hub yet (I will).
  
  Left/right values are important. They aren't made up by our masters to distract us; they are real.
  
  The Right has caused this problem because they think greed is acceptable and do not want controls on business or individuals.
  
  However, that doesn't mean that every conservative is blind to reality. There are moderates and honestly, they are our best hope because while they stand with the crazed ones, nothing can change. If they abandon those far right libertarian crazies, we can make corrections and save ourselves from destruction.
  
  The crazies aren't going to budge. As we have seen here, they are too full of hate.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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gamergirlposted 13 years ago
I love you, Mighty Mom. That was one hell of a post. ***HUGS!!***
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Charles Jamesposted 13 years ago
OWS is barely mentioned in the UK media.
Now who owns the UK media???
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Wilfionposted 13 years ago
I hadn't even heard of the Occupy movement until a few days ago, and have since found out that it has spread to different parts of the world. It would seem to be the biggest protest in decades. Yet the UK news seems to be focusing on the Queen's lovely hats, worn on her visit to Australia.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The only UK title that has covered OWS in any depth is the Guardian. Oh and some coverage in the Independent.
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Look what's happening in Okland and Atlanta - where police brutality reached new hights and critically injured a veteran who served 2 terms in Irak - the media is still no where to be found and the news were only reported on Yahoo. Is this an unbilivebal servitude to the big money, or what?!
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, c'mon. The guy was standing there with his hands in his pockets. You can't expect the police not to react to provocation like that!
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely, the media is "deeply embedded" with big money. Surpression of the news will just make the public more angry in my humble opinion. It wouldn't surprise me if some of parts of the media are later boycotted. And, attempting to repress all those voices I believe will lead to greater indignation from the protestors and an even greater sence of solidarity. Big monies greatest fear, when they lose the ability to divide and rule.
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
The protests are getting prime time coverage on NBC. It's about time. Not much more than sound bites, but it still made news. There needs to be a lot more brought to the attention of those who watch prime time national news.

This is from Huffington Post which is now owned by AOL.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/bl … g-20111025

oops, wrong link, but I'll leave it. It's a good article. Here's the HP link.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/2 … 31879.html
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ahorsebackposted 13 years ago
I can only say that I believe they aren't organized enough ! The massses in the streets will never change one thing until either passively ,congress moves to the direction of popular oppinion or a movement becomes a revolution. One guy on an interview on the street the other night said " All I'm asking is to earn 50 thousand dollars , I assume he meant per year" ....just give me what I'm entitled to ! That seems to be what this is all about ! Advice ; Go and earn it somewhere! Get a job ,any job . Put your time in like the rest of the world . Start somewhere small like everyone in history has. All too many people today believe they should start at the top of the pile ! Great bennies , high pay , a company car , "hey pay off my student loans too while you're at it "
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  Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wonder WHY would the media choose this specific interview?
  Is it because thay want to discredit the movement?!
  
  Nehhh! they will never distort reality, they will never manipulate the truth and will never put their spin on anything. Our media is "indipendent", "reliable" and tells it "as it is", so relax people; the media knows best what's good for you and how much information you really need
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  thebigbagblogposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lol...Reminds me of that old Looney Toons saying, "DON'T YOUUU BELIEVE IT!"
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ahorsebackposted 13 years ago
Petra , you are right , our media sucks ! Plain and simple ,right or Left it doen't matter who you listen to ,the media is on the side of the man that pays for the advertising , the commercials , Want to know what the media thinks ? Look to where it's money comes from ! And alot of their money comes from politics!
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