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   Repairguy47posted 13 years ago

   Kids are too fat.
   
   Answer to problem
   Give them free breakfast and lunch at school.
   
   Got anymore?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Some people are racist.
      
      Answer to problem
      Put a racist in the White House
      
      
      
      
      Some people are cigarette smokers
      
      
      Answer to problem
      Make cigarettes illegal but legalize marijuana
      
      
      
      
      Many people get divorced
      
      Answer to problem
      Give homosexuals the right to marry
      
      
      
      Many kids are bullied in school because they're fat or not as smart as others
      
      Answer to problem
      Tell them the liberal agenda will help them 'cause they're the same as gays
      
      
      
      
      There are poverty-stricken people in America
      
      
      Answer to problem
      Take rich people's money and redistribute it even if they give to charities already

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         WOW!

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            Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Glad you liked it.
            Welcome back Cagsil.
            Nice to see my insight can still wow you.

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               Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you Brenda. Yes, it is amazing that you've no clue or understanding of individual rights. Even after 2 years of dealing with you, you're still in the dark.
               
               That's the WOW factor.

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         Sooner28posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Wow......................................

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            mikelongposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            This is just typical Brenda.....
            
            
            Too much brain-drain in one's diet causes the brain and intellectual skills to deteriorate.
            
            Some make up for this with too much Bible-reading....

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      habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Kids need breakfast and lunch, even if they're overweight. The problem is that most school meals are high in fat and simple carbs.
      Typical breakfast menus at our school included French toast sticks and syrup, sausage biscuits, pastries, waffles, bacon and eggs, and pancakes.
      
      Lunch in many schools is no better. Thankfully, our school provided salads as a choice every day - lettuce, tomatoes, turkey, raw broccoli, fresh fruit, a little grated cheese, and low fat dressing. This is something on which I agree with Mrs. Obama. I'm not for forcing kids to eat salads - a few kids actually need the calories from high carb meals. I am, however, for giving kids a healthy salad as an option.

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         kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         The problem is, most of the kids who are on free or reduced price lunches aren't going to get any better food at home, and in some cases won't get any food at all outside of school. At least at school the meals are theoretically balanced, even if in practice the kids tend to eat the cheese pizza and ignore the nasty frozen "carrot and pea medley" that comes on the side.
         
         What we really need is an overhaul of the ag subsidy practices so fruits and vegetables are cheaper than corn and its 48272732763872 unhealthy by-products. Then you might have both healthier school meals and more kids eating healthy at home.

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         Melissa A Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         One problem is that it seems that the only 'healthy' meal people can come up with is a boring salad. That's why kids don't want to eat well. And also, the incrimination of fat. Children do not want to eat salad everyday for lunch. They are growing. They need foods with healthy calories, not no calories.

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            habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            A chef salad with meat, boiled eggs, and cheese doesn't have "no calories." Our high school students LOVED having a choice of salad every day. I agree that more healthy choices would be even better, but most school cafeterias work with a tight budget, and simple carbs are cheap.

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               Melissa A Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               That would depend on how much meat is included. I'd still find that rather boring so there would need to be other choices. How about a tortilla wrap or something like that? Pizza can also have thin crust and include these ingredients. It would be a start. I also don't think the fat content of the cheese and dressing is an essential concern.

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               gmwilliamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you, habee.

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                  Melissa A Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  @gm Oh no...you're not going to start stalking me now are you -_-

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                     Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Can I?

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      lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Ignore them til they die of starvation...then they're not a problem anymore.
      
      Oh---but while we watch them die....make sure we take more programs away from them, because the real fat cats need more money in their off shore accounts.

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         Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         But,but they're too fat. Now they are starving?

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            kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Strictly speaking, it is possible to be both overweight and malnourished.

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               Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               http://blogs.venturacountystar.com/inge … gic-o.html

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                  kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Calories are units of energy. They have no nutritional value. Thus, a child can consume too many calories and become overweight while still lacking nutrients essential to his or her health.
                  
                  Fast food is not nutritious, but it is cheap and filling, ergo it's popular among low income families. You can get a burger for $1 that will fill you up for hours. The amount of salad it would take to do the same is at least two or three times more expensive from scratch and five to ten times more in a restaurant. Progressives are not trying to "lead you stupid people to do the right thing," we're trying to make it possible for people to do the right thing.

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                     Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     No they're not, they are trying to create a nation of dependents.

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                        kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Who you gonna believe, an actual Progressive or a guy who thinks calories and nutrients are the same thing? Hmmm...

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                           Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Neither, I'll believe my eyes.

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                              kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Again I ask, who you gonna believe, an actual Progressive or a guy who thinks calories and nutrients are the same thing?

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                                 Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Again I'll answer, not you or the guy who thinks blah,blah, bleeeeech

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                                    kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    No, you'll just believe yourself who... thinks calories and nutrients are the same thing. Okay!
                                    
                                    Is that what passes for conservative logic?

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                                       Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                       Liberal logic is what you are demonstrating, where did I ever say nutrients and calories were the same thing?

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                           Josakposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           That is a pretty tragic error.

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                        mikelongposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Repairguy....my sister is a 3rd grade teacher in the Richmond District (California-Bay Area).
                        
                        While there is a school in this district where the families are affluent (mostly white...living up in the hills), the bulk of the community are poor, of minority background, and mostly are immigrants.
                        
                        She recounts to me how many of her students come to school without having eaten...without lunches. 
                        
                        Myself, I have seen this far too often here in my own community.
                        
                        The dependence theory you are pushing is a load of bunk...
                        
                        If you want to see what dependence actually looks like, you can start with the creation of the reservation system for Native Americans and couple that with our good 'ol fashioned slave and indentured servitude history...
                        
                        Dependence?  How about the dependence of wannabe "gentlemen" using headrights to get their hands on land... 
                        
                        Hypocrisy abounds.......especially coming from the "repair guy"....  I think he needs some maintenance work of his own...

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                           Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Well said.

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                           habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           I had students from poor families, too. For many of them, the food they got at school was about the only food they got all day. Even if their parents were "lazy dependents," it's not the fault of the kids. Should we just let them starve?

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                              Sooner28posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Sensible things like this are why I could vote for you Habee!

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                                 habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Thanks.

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      Palomidesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      We have an obesity problem in America.
      
      Publicly shame the entertainment industry for providing children with skinny role models.

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         kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         1. Skinny and healthy are not synonymous. Just ask Karen Carpenter or the Ramos sisters.
         
         2. The entertainment industry isn't shamed for "providing children with skinny role models," they're shamed for providing children with literally unattainable standards of beauty. Models, actresses, etc. not only have personal chefs, personal trainers, nutritionists, stylists, makeup artists, and plastic surgeons to help them stay skinny and look beautiful all the time, their photographs then get airbrushed and manipulated so they're even skinnier and more beautiful looking than they actually are. In some cases, the "photos" you see on magazine covers aren't even a real woman - they're the most beautiful parts of multiple different women Frankensteined together to teach girls that they will never, ever be skinny or beautiful enough.

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      mikelongposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      If this statement is supposed to "show" liberal logic, it failed. It actually shows the stupidity of living in a world of generalizations...
      
      There is no logic to be found here........

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      Sooner28posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      46 million Americans live in poverty.  For those who are kids, a school lunch is quite nice.

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   Interesting.
   
   I see what you're attempting to do, but unfortunately I'm sure someone will most likely come along and see it for something else, which isn't going to look very good for you, but will make the liberal logic(as you call it) seem pretty sane.
   
   Even me, not being as bright as I liked to be, can see how giving kids free breakfasts and lunch at school, would help them to not gain weight, but more importantly I can also see a couple of really bad effects from doing it, which really have nothing to do with "Kids are too fat".
   
   However, good luck.
   
   Just in case, your post was pure sarcasm? or supposedly funny? Well, let's just say, from my perspective- it wasn't funny and the sarcasm? can be done without.

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      Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Glad you commented on this thread which is not worthy of your time.
      
      More liberal logic?

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Not worthy of my time. That's what you perceived from my comment?

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      Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Sanity in the forum returns

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         Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Is that what you call that?

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   Repairguy47posted 13 years ago

   Americans should "move on" past the misconduct of Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy, but should dig up as much old dirt as possible about Republican candidates

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      Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      and all Candidates, whether Dem or GOP or Independent?   Especially Progressive and Communist, which are slowly starting to infiltrate our system.  Illegally, actually, if one goes by the Constitution.

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   Repairguy47posted 13 years ago

   Claiming that an atheistic culture cannot harm anyone, but also insisting that classroom prayer can cause harm

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      Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Great one!

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      getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      What about this one:  Wanting Intelligent Design taught in school, alongside Evolution, or doing away with the Theory of Evolution altogether...while other developed countries far outperform our students.

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         Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         What about it? Do you think the problem is what is being taught or the one charged with teaching not doing their job? Could it be bureaucrats mandating that evolution or intelligent design be taught at all instead of teaching what kids really should know?

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   John Holdenposted 13 years ago

   If, and I admit it is a big "if" the child gets two well balanced meals a day and doesn't then snack on junk food then only good will come of it.

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      Palomidesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly.  While I generally think there's a lot of funky logic behind liberal ideas, any nutrition specialist can tell you that spaced out meals is far healthier than going most of the day without a solid meal, then overcompensating at night by eating too much.  That's why starvation diets fail.

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   Eric Newlandposted 13 years ago

   Cutting the tax on capital gains has been historically proven not only to create jobs but to increase total federal tax revenue.
   
   Hike it anyway. Punishing the rich for being successful is way more important than doing what's good for everyone.
   
   Also, champion a tax increase proposed by a guy whose companies aren't paying the taxes they already owe.

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      John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You what Eric? What's that got to do with school meals?

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         Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Thread isn't about school meals, try and follow along.

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            John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            My bad, I thought breakfast and lunch were meals!

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               Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Thread is about liberal logic, I guess the title threw you.

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                  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Or the opening post.

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                     Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Go with the title, it works every time.

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                        John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I suppose that passes for liberal logic.

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                           Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           No, it makes sense.

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      kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      "Cutting the tax on capital gains has been historically proven not only to create jobs but to increase total federal tax revenue."
      
      Er, even the Bush Administration disagreed with you about them increasing total federal tax revenue (on more than a temporary basis):
      
      http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1286
      
      And there's not much evidence supporting the claim that low capital gains tax rates boost investment (and therefore potentially job creation) in any significant way either:
      
      http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/capital-g … ts-rumble/

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      Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      How rich is enough? There has been a huge "redistribution," to use a favorite right wing word, of income and wealth from the middle class and poor to the multi-millionaires and billionaires in the past 30 years thanks to tax cuts and gaping loop holes for people like Mitt Romney and the billionaires who are supporting him, not to mention the international oil companies like Exxon-Mobil.

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         Eric Newlandposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         But again, if you impose a new tax, and it actually has the effect of REDUCING federal revenue, you actually have LESS wealth to redistribute.
         
         Why knock something that makes EVERYONE richer simply because "everyone," by definition, includes the already wealthy?
         
         I'm not talking about loopholes and willy-nilly tax cuts. Yes, those are bad. I'm talking purely about capital gains, the one place where the tax rate has an INVERSE effect on net federal revenue and the one place where trickle-down apparently actually works.

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            Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Arthur Laffer's theory that new taxes produce less revenue and tax cuts result in more revenue was disproven long ago. The proper tax rate is the one that balances the budget and provides the revenue needed to provide necessary public services in a democratic society. As I recall, George H.W. Bush called your theory "voodoo economics." He was correct.

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               Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Disproven by whom?

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                  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  By most orthodox economists who have studied the record.
                  
                  Contemporary economists do not consider supply-side economics a tenable economic theory, with Alan Blinder calling it an "ill-fated" and perhaps "silly" school on the pages of a 2006 textbook.[18] Greg Mankiw, former chairman of President George W. Bush's Council of Economic Advisors, offered similarly sharp criticism of the school in the early editions of his introductory economics textbook.[19] In a 1992 article for the Harvard International Review, James Tobin wrote, "[The] idea that tax cuts would actually increase revenues turned out to deserve the ridicule…"[20]
                  “     The extreme promises of supply-side economics did not materialize. President Reagan argued that because of the effect depicted in the Laffer curve, the government could maintain expenditures, cut tax rates, and balance the budget. This was not the case. Government revenues fell sharply from levels that would have been realized without the tax cuts.
                  - Karl Case & Ray Fair, Principles of Economics (2007), p. 695.[21]
                  
                  Merle Hazard Meets Arthur Laffer and Sings "In the Hamptons."
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8PwqQ5guYk

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                     Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Are orthodox economists like orthodox Jews?

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                        mikelongposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Brain Drain example number 2 in an ongoing case study...

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                           Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Getting a little frustrated? Eat your Wheaties.

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                              junkoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Herding cats is not an easy job.

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                                 Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 But possible.

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   Repairguy47posted 13 years ago

   Claiming that getting rid of a sadistic dictator by going into Iraq was wrong but stepping into Sudan is not.

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   Repairguy47posted 13 years ago

   Claiming that divine creation is “illogical” but creation from a spontaneous explosion of absolutely nothing at all “makes perfect sense.”

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   Repairguy47posted 13 years ago

   Claiming that Christianity is not a form of diversity while praising Islam for this same reason. Later (whenever it benefits them), liberals will compare the two, claiming that few differences exist between them.

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    Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years ago

    Deny that humans evolved from ape-like creatures.
    
    Bare your teeth, stomp and pound your chest when someone tries to explain it to you.
    
    Hey! This is fun.

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       lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "Mommy, if God created the Earth in 7 days, why do I have to go to school for 12 years?"

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       Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Evolution explains it all, you're right.

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          lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          "Mommy, if Moses parted the Red Sea, why can't I part my hair?"

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             Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

             This ones for you.
             http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt … CGgQ9QEwBQ

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          Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Or in some cases, a lack of evolution explains it.

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             Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Once again you are right, its uncanny.

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    prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago

    liberals are sexier!

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    prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago

    plus they are very logical, very and logical

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    junkoposted 13 years ago

    I agree with you mike, I felt that way the day it was posted.There is no logic in the Far right conservative message,just Hogwash. It's hard to debate.

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    mikelongposted 13 years ago

    If we can't see the direct connection we all have to one another.....then we are blind....
    
    Looking out for the common good does not equal communism.....
    
    Socialism is in no way synonymous with reinvesting wealth in struggling communities. However, using these terms...these political inventions...does a good job of dividing and weakening our population.

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