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Why this fanatic obsession with the gay issue?

  1. silverstararrow profile image85
    silverstararrowposted 5 years ago

    Hello everyone!

    I've been on HP only for a short while, three weeks to be exact. In that time, I've come across one prominent topic on both the forums and the questions section.

    The Gay Issue.

    Why people are gay, how being gay affects religion, how homosexuality undermines the institution of marriage, should same sex marriages be allowed and so on.

    In all these forums(or questions), a bunch of hubbers support the notion of same sex relationships, another bunch is totally against it, while some could really care less. The same old comments and opinions are posted again and again and yet again. I fail to understand why people are obsessed with this issue. Why this sudden fixation?

    Some people are straight, some are gay and some are bi; get over it. Move on!

    1. Josak profile image60
      Josakposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      It's not usually such a conversed topic it's just that recent events have thrown it into the limelight. I do think gay rights are important though.

      1. silverstararrow profile image85
        silverstararrowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Of course gay rights are important, but what's really happening here is two sects of people working extra hard to impress their views on each other. You have a few overly religious individuals and a few activists arguing against and for the issue respectively.

        There hasn't been any conducive end result so far, which is a little sad, given the magnitude to which the issue has been lifted. Neither team is bound to curb and accept the views expressed by the other. It's bound to remain a long, unsettled  debate. *sigh* hmm

        1. jeanihess profile image61
          jeanihessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          There will always be a debate and differing opinions. This should not cancel out people's rights to freely live the life that they choose and to have legal protection to those rights. People argue about divorce but it is still legal. Have those that say it will destroy marriage as we know it, always lived a one partner union, have children with only one partner? None are practicing abuse with domestic violence? None are just merely living together and not actually getting married? There are many things people do to undermine and destroy marriage and the family fabric. Odd how they pick on gays!

      2. ASchwartz profile image74
        ASchwartzposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I hadn't really thought of that. I haven't been here too long, and while hub hopping I kept running across a lot of hubs about it.

    2. kcsummers profile image70
      kcsummersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      As a social issue, it wasn't an obsession for most people. Everyone had an opinion and life went on. But as a political issue, it's been sensationalized, demonized, and inflamed by the media, etc. It's crazy!

      1. silverstararrow profile image85
        silverstararrowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I'll have to say that politics has thrown the issue into a whole new light, and I agree that it has been demonized and blown out of proportion by the media.

        Crazy indeed! But it's just become a little tiring. sad

    3. ib radmasters profile image60
      ib radmastersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      You really are naive in your comment.
      The LGBT has been making an increased full frontal militaristic attack on society and people to force their lifestyle into mainstream validation.

      The LGBT has a lot of rich and politically powerful people behind their movement. The real problem is that if they can get their way by force, then our society can be manipulated by any faction to get their way. And misusing the US Constitution undermines the reasons for its existence.

      Gay rights are no more cogent than smoker's rights.
      It is also like the abortion issue, it is a moral issue, but it is being moved forward through politics

      1. kcsummers profile image70
        kcsummersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        "full frontal militaristic attack on society"? That's a little extreme. It's about evolution. Marriage has evolved. At one time, black people couldn't marry while people, women were considered their husbands property and divorce was illegal. It's time for the next step in that evolution.

        You don't have an argument. Gay marriage will make people gay like hanging around with tall people will make me taller. It ruin the "sanctity" of marriage - you know that till death do us part vow that ends in divoce over half the time, a vow sometimes takes over and over.

        I married her high school sweetheart 23 years ago, and I have seen same sex couples who share a love just as deep and meaningful. Also, to speak to the moral issue - in the same book of the bible is says eating pork and shellfish are sins. No one sin is worse than another. Also, it has been my experience that the people who speak out the loudest against gay marriage have homosexual tendencies of their own they are trying to compensate for. "I think thou dost protest too much".

      2. SmartAndFun profile image98
        SmartAndFunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        LOL at "full-frontal militaristic attack on society." It's a civil rights issue and people who are for gay marriage (including me) are just taking a stand and making a case for what we believe is right. Religions can define marriage however they want, but when it comes to the state, the government must offer everyone equal rights, whether that is the right to liberty, the right to vote or the right to marry. Legalized gay marriage will happen across the country eventually -- wait and see. My prediction is that some day it will make it all they way to the Supreme Court, but the justices will not be able to legally or philosophically deny it.

        1. psycheskinner profile image84
          psycheskinnerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Beware the Gay Army!  Coming to a town near you in *fabulous* fatigues.

          Shades of what people used to feel free to say about Jews.... that just shows me equality is not here yet.

          1. MelissaBarrett profile image59
            MelissaBarrettposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            +1

            BTW... where can i find some of those fabulous fatigues?  Somehow the military missed me when they were sending out supplies...  Should they have came with my Gay kit or are they only if I upgrade to the Gold Membership?

            1. brimancandy profile image81
              brimancandyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Love it!! I think I'll take my fabulous fatigues in hot pink! I can use those when I'm marching down the street in Chicagos gay pride parade, alog with the 750,000 other people that were in the parade last year.

      3. MelissaBarrett profile image59
        MelissaBarrettposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        If the issue was a moral issue then there would be no laws governing it one way or another... since there are laws then it becomes political.

        If everyone would be willing to remove all laws pertaining to the matter then I think everyone would be satisfied with it being a moral issue and the fervor would die down.

        Unfortunately for the anti-gay stance no laws would automatically refer the issue back to "If there are no laws restricting gay marriage then it is inherently legal."

        So yes... the anti-gay movement would really like it to not enter the political field as the laws wouldn't be affected and then they could win by default.

      4. livelonger profile image94
        livelongerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        This is the sort of absurd hyperbole that is actually helping speed up acceptance and approval of equality for LGBT people under the law. So, please, more. big_smile

    4. jeanihess profile image61
      jeanihessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      In South Africa same sex marriages are legal. They can have civil marriages and some churches are willing to conduct gay marriages. There are people from all social spheres who oppose same sex relationships and marriages. At this time Traditional Leaders are trying to find ways to oppose it. Lesbians especially may be subjected to "corrective rape'. Gay men are often still beaten up. Nevertheless, the relationships and the marriages are legal. It is important to have the legal provisions because legislation helps to shape societal responses. Our Bill for Human Rights also offer rights and protection to gays. Gay- lesbian rights are thus constitutional and legislated and it is a crime to abuse anyone because of their sexual orientation.

    5. Onusonus profile image81
      Onusonusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      It's because the current president can't win the next election on his record, so he has brought Gay marriage to the forefront of the conversation as a diversion.

      http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/294971_371654016226296_114364638621903_962064_869865328_n.jpg

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Regardless of why it's out there. It's still an issue in America.

        1. Onusonus profile image81
          Onusonusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Right, it is an issue. but it has been brought to the forefront of the conversation by the president as a diversion to the fact that he has accomplished nothing while in office.

      2. Jane Bovary profile image83
        Jane Bovaryposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I guess politicians are damned if they do and damned if they don't then. Deny gay rights and you're accused of being too fearful of losing the religious vote. Support them and you're accused of launching a 'distraction'.

    6. Jesus was a hippy profile image62
      Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      My take on why it is such a big issue on here is because most of the writers on this site are American, and many of which are fanatical religionists who are homophobic and opinionated about what other people should do.

      In my experience, most people who argue against homosexuality and gay marriage on this site are christians who live in the bible belt.

      I think it is a bit sad really that religion causes so much conflict.

    7. shea duane profile image58
      shea duaneposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      silverstararrow, you should probably avoid reading my hubs because I try to encourage discussion about social issues that are important to me such as equality and the Bill of Rights. i don't want to bore you.

      1. jeanihess profile image61
        jeanihessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Even in South Africa we know about the American Gay Furore. It shocked me to realize that America has still not legalized same sex marriages. Sex between consenting adults is a Human Rights issue and for public /forum discussion. Same sex unions / marriages is an economic issue too. People invest into their partnerships and then find that they have no legal protection such as a traditional marriage offers. No family insurance, no access to hospital as family when one partner is ill, no protected heir status...  Why should people's lives be made so difficult just because their sexual orientation is different? Why should other people not question this? I too experienced this censure on another discussion. Perhaps that should be question too:)

      2. silverstararrow profile image85
        silverstararrowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        shea duane, I'm following you right now and going to read those hubs in the near future.

        Now, when I posted this forum thread, I knew there would be disagreement. Let me reiterate, I fully respect all races, sexes, castes, religions and yes, sexuality also. Maybe my tone implied otherwise, but what I've been trying to get across is the fact that the discussions going on here (in HubPages) specifically, revolve around the same old thread; some against homosexuality and some in favour of it. What I have witnessed is an increase in the number of people posting, and trying to impress their views on others (I refer to the religious people who are against the notion of same sex relationships). As is with all the moral/social/political issues, this one too, can be dragged on for a long long while with no end result.

        The religious people will stay firm in their beliefs and those who support homosexuality will be strong in their views too. Just because the American President revealed his support for gay marriages a little earlier than planned, has made this into a huge discussion topic. The media has also played a pivotal role in that regard.

        My question had more to do with why this hue and cry now, when same sex marriages have already been prevalent and legal in many countries.

        I've also been a victim to some form of  discrimination from time to time. Discrimination is bad and should never be practised or encouraged. I did not mean anything negative while using the term 'The Gay Issue'; in fact the forum I posted this on is called 'Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Issues'. That was just a borrowed term. Nothing to do with segregation or dismissal.

        I'm not a bigot; only too poor with words, it seems. Failed to actually express the thought I was aiming for. sad

        1. jeanihess profile image61
          jeanihessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Not all religious people are against same sex marriages. This was a huge debate in South Africa just a few years ago. It certainly caused international waves in the Anglican Church throughout the world. Some couples opt for a civil marriage followed by a church blessing.

        2. shea duane profile image58
          shea duaneposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          But even now you wrote that some people are "in favour of it" meaning homosexuality... I'm not in favour of anything, but I support human beings... I'm not oin favour of homosexuality or heteriosexuality... I'm just a person who thinks peopel should be treated with respect.
          Later, you wrote, "...and those who support homosexuality will be strong in their views too."  I think you are missing the point... it is not a matter of supporting homosexuality as though it is a political candidate... human beings, gay or not, deserve to be treated with respect. It is an issue now because some states are debating the issue of gay marriage and trying to define marriage in general. The Constitution is supposed to be inclusive rather than exclusive... this 'issue' is just the tip of the iceberg in an overall vision of equal human rights.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            What iceberg?

            Thinking that way would mean that you think a mother and son or daughter who "love" each other should have the right to get married, or that a man and his son or daughter should be able to get married, etc.    That would certainly be "inclusive".
            Heck, since the excuse of economics is so often used in this issue, why don't we just keep goin' down the line and say that any two people of whichever genders who simply share housing/expenses should use the option of getting married just so they can have the same supposed-benefits of all married couples?  That would be "fair", wouldn't it?   After all, we wouldn't want to have any "single" people in America, now would we?  Since everyone "loves" at least someone on this planet, they should make sure they get married to someone.  Otherwise, they're sure to be discriminated against and miss out on that government money! roll

            1. shea duane profile image58
              shea duaneposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I'm talking about Constitutional inclusion with respect to disallowing laws that deny civil rights such as 'separate but equal.' The argument you use is the same argument people used to deny racially mixed marriages. Further, you are comparing incest with gay relationships... Do you really think incest, a behavior even avoided in the animal world, is akin to same sex marriage?  And what government money are you talking about? I've been married to my husband for 24 years, and we haven't been offered any government money?

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                Brenda Durhamposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Some people may have used that argument, but I didn't and haven't and won't, and neither did a lot of the people from generations before this one!   The talk about interracial marriage is used by the Left to finger-point at conservatives.   Skin color is an entirely separate thing from homosexuality.
                As is the reference to animals!   It never ceases to amaze me how liberals keep trying to equate humans to animals when it's convenient for their agenda, but then they try to point out the difference when it suits them!

                And why wouldn't incest (leaving out the animal reference) be akin to homosexuality?   Both are unnatural and wrong.  I suppose if the only two people left on earth were a man and his daughter, there might be a reason to copulate like preserving the human species, but indeed we aren't faced with that dilemma, are we?   And at least a father and daughter would be a male and a female with the right body parts for copulation and producing offspring.   I'm not advocating for incest at all, but it would be more natural and feasible than homosexuality, in ANY scenario.


                And as for the original post and question in the title of this thread,  there is an obsession with furthering the gay agenda.  It's not the opposers who are fanatical about it; it's the liberals who keep pushing this issue, trying to force it into America's laws and into our schools, etc., even after some States have voted against it and the majority of Americans do NOT want it.   They've succeeded so far in making it an issue that's even shoved in the faces of innocent immature grade school children.    It should've been dismissed years ago for the radical fanatical agenda that it was and is.

                1. janesix profile image60
                  janesixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Go take a nap Brenda.

                  1. profile image0
                    Brenda Durhamposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    I really could use one, janesix!   You too?
                    I guess I'm too long-winded sometimes.   But hey I'm an eternal optimist.  Eventually people (usually) do go back to doing what's right.  It just takes years and years sometimes.  But all it takes for a wrong idea to get to fruition is for good people to stay silent and get distracted long enough for it to worm its way into society's laws.   But America is a very resilient Nation.  It corrected the wrongs that were done generations ago.   And eventually it will be corrected and brought back to common sense on these issues; at least I do hold out that hope.  I look forward to the day when it will wake up and realize the horror of how many unborn babies were killed and how many people's lives were led into chaos because of the liberal agenda, and be sad, and hungry enough to fix what was wrong.


                    I want to edit this to say it's not really "man" that I have faith in to fix these immoral wrongs.  What I hope is that God Himself will work through a good leader or group of people to correct things before He has to exact punishment on this Nation.  Because in the meantime the holocaust of abortion will continue, and the deception of our young people will continue, and that's scary.

                2. MelissaBarrett profile image59
                  MelissaBarrettposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Incest results in birth defects in the children from the union.  As you have pointed out many many times there is no way that a gay marriage can produce children with birth defects.

                  Just a point...

                  1. janesix profile image60
                    janesixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Actual points, and reason, doesnt seem to effect her much.

    8. profile image61
      slingshotdaveposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It's social engineering by the central banking/corporate Oligarchic 'elite'. They want to confuse gender roles, feminise men, masculinise women and thus destroy marriage and ultimately the family as family provides cohesion and resistance against tyranny. Institutions like family and religion are intolerable to the oilgarchy as they fast track their plans to force through world government over the ruins of their engineered economic and social chaos. Devotion to a God that promotes individual rights, absolute morality, family values etc the antithesis of the collectivist, Darwinian, Communist ethos of the 'elite's' planned world system is unacceptable to them, they must have devotion to State above all else, hence the engineered anti-religion campaign across society in recent times. Feminism has been massively promoted also in order to destroy male/female relationships and thus family while weakening men, the main threat to the new world order as they're more likely to challenge authority and are physically more combative.
      Another key advantage is the destruction of parental influence from the erosion of the family leaving the children to be brainwashed and raised by the state via the media and in the case of orphans directly.
      Gay marriage also serves as a political distraction why they sneak through devastating civilisation-changing tyrannical legislation like the TPP that grants  banks and corporations near absolute tyrannical control over us where any legal recourse for the public is all but removed. This was passed 2 days before gay marriage.


      The gullibility and ignorance of the masses never ceases to amaze.

  2. psycheskinner profile image84
    psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago

    Obama + Gay (in same news story) = teacup + storm

  3. Marsei profile image86
    Marseiposted 5 years ago

    Livelonger, you are so right.  It's the ridiculous rhetoric, meaness and insensitivity that is causing people to become fed up and think:  Well, I know I don't agree with someone who thinks like this, so maybe same sex marriage is not so bad.  Like you said,  Keep it up.  The more absurd and insulting it gets, the more people change their beliefs.  They are losing their own battle.

  4. silverstararrow profile image85
    silverstararrowposted 5 years ago

    I don't condemn anyone for their sexual orientation, nor am I insensitive. The only reason I posted this thread is because there are so many forums and questions discussing this topic, but with no end result. As I've said, it is different factions of people expressing their opinion and taking a stand, when it doesn't lead to any change.

    Within a few days/months/years, this argument too will fizzle out and then what? It's hard to believe that debate between people of opposite beliefs could lead to either a miraculous disregard or acceptance in this matter. Some people, people against gay marriages or people who support them,are headstrong in their views.

    Of course change is possible,but I do not see anything happening SOON in that route here (HP). That is all. I apologize if it sounded anything otherwise.

    Personally, I believe nobody has the authority to question somebody else' choices. What is indeed mean, is what's happening in the other forum threads, with thousands of posts and still counting.

    1. jeanihess profile image61
      jeanihessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      "...miraculous disregard..."smile more like malicious disregard...

  5. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 5 years ago

    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6622068_f248.jpg

    1. Paulshub profile image60
      Paulshubposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Good point!

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Yeah, I thought so too. lol

  6. Marsei profile image86
    Marseiposted 5 years ago

    Silverstararrow:
    I had pretty much the same feelings you do, that nothing would get resolved in a forum of this sort.  Then I realized that if my rights were threatened in any way by any group of people, I would want someone standing up for me through any forum available.  It's a fundamental part of who we are, that we stand up for the rights of others.  I've said pretty much everything I have to say and likely not made a whit of difference, but when I thought about the fact that one day it might be me for some fundmentally different reason, yet still an infringement of my rights, I had to speak up. 
    Society is a giant organism, in my opinion.  When one part mistreats the other, it becomes dysfunctional until the wrong it righted.  Some of the things being said here should not go unanswered by anyone who believes in fairness.  When any person looks at a group of individuals and tells them for any reason that they are not good enough to enjoy the same rights other enjoy, silence is equal to agreement.  Here's something I believe all of us need to consider.  No one is guaranteed a straight child or grandchild.  I have a friend who had the most homophobic views imaginable.  She had two straight sons.  Now at our age, mid '60s, she is faced with dealing with a gay grandson.  She is his biggest defender; no one messes with him if she's around.  We all love our families and some of the rhetoric being bandied about is hurtful and shameful and should never be used because of the pain it inflicts.  That's why I changed my mind about speaking up in this forum.

    1. silverstararrow profile image85
      silverstararrowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      You are right, Marsei. However, I did not mean that people should overlook the rights (personal and moral) of others, only stop demeaning others because they don't fit into your compartmentalized mindset.

      Should there be someone who lives in a different way than what you are used to, that does not make him/her an anomaly. Rather from said person's perspective you are the different one. Individuality is not dictated by society and forcing ideologies on others just because they have been the norm for so long does not make it morally right. The people who uphold religion and so-called morals, must know that judging others based on their preference alone is the first sign of bigotry. Now, that is something not correct morally, socially or politically.

  7. jacharless profile image81
    jacharlessposted 5 years ago

    To the OP:

    First, thanks so much for the authoritative command, in support of "Move On! [.org]
    I didn't realize TUSA was fully a Citizen Kane society, yet. Must I surrender my ACLU card, though? Am so fond of it.

    Second, the issue of homosexuality has become political in the States, because instead of said people following their own advice of "mind your own business", the issue was pushed -by all ends- into everyone's business, like it or not.

    Third, {though I do not support religion} there are considerable non-religious persons who are in opposition to this mandate. Estimates claim nearly 25% of the non-religious US population. So, let's be fair.

    Finally, I agree, the issue has spun and been spun out of control. Like a cosmic phenomena or something. My position remains the same: sex[uality] -be it hetero, homo, animal, vegetable, mineral, other has absolutely -and should have absolutely nothing to do with the rights of a citizen, within the boundaries of law. Which, then makes the whole issue moot. Marriage is not a civil right, it is a social preference, a permission, a privilege. The religious aspect is generally ceremonial and has been practiced by 80% of the global population probably since the dawn of man. I would like nothing more than to see the "marriage equality" thing {!ha, it is even funny typing that phrase} end already, because there are much more pressing matters -like the environment, food supply, fresh water, genetically-induced super flu, etc that need immediate attention and solutions. Who's boning who for whatever reason is irrelevant. And the money to be made in the "Gay" Peoples Court, Daytime TV Interviews and the like is shameful.

    Good hunting on the peaceful occupation.
    James.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Are you really sticking to this?

      1. jacharless profile image81
        jacharlessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Ray!

        Yup, `fraid so. See, the issue within the "freedom of religion" under Constitutional Law, only emphasizes this. Marriage is a ceremonial expression allowed within one's preference of religion. And because this "freedom" was written into that document, the government must recognize that act of marriage, within the religion of choice. Marriage, therefore, is a privilege -upheld by the Constitution.

        There is no law on the books stating two individuals must be married. That is a violation of civil rights. Rights that include occupying a space, owning property, voting, gambling, open a business, fair market wages for work performed, firearms, etc.

        The issue is being forced into discrimination. But the law forbids discrimination based on genetic race, skin tone, gender and sexual preference. If the individual is being denied equal rights, under the law, then certainly they have every right to defend their equality. But tossing in the term marriage is ridiculous. Say it aloud: "Marriage Equality" !ha, too funny. Typical "Marriage Equality" does not exist in the States for hetero couples, even with the BOR in place. And To my knowledge there are ample cases and laws regarding "unmarried" same sex {non-sexual} persons receiving equal compensation for insurance claims, visitation rights, etc. most of the "disputed" laws, fall under offspring rights -like they are dealing with from adoption cases.

        Me personally, I see no reason to automatically grant another individual the right to claim my insurances, estate, assets, offspring, benefits, etc just because we boned - straight or otherwise. This is one reason I think marriage/divorce in States is ridiculous. A few spats, piles of dollars, a bored sex life and voila, instant cash cow for one, a pick-up truck with three wheels for the other, stocked high with alimony and child support.

        James.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          lol lol

    2. Jane Bovary profile image83
      Jane Bovaryposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      "Marriage is not a civil right"
      But equality under the law is.

      1. jacharless profile image81
        jacharlessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Indeed Jane. I am in total agreement.
        But to be fair, show the equality in regards to "marriage" in US history. It does not exist, equally for both parties. It won't be any different by adding another type of couple to the docket.

        James.

  8. janikon profile image89
    janikonposted 5 years ago

    "full frontal militaristic attack on society" I think I'm going to get that put on a t-shirt because it's the most ridiculous, completely inane and hilarious statement. It will make the best t-shirt ever.

    The 'gay issue' as it was so cavalierly referred to as, because of people like this, who say completely stupid statements like that. I'm not obsessed, it just happens to be my life.

    1. shea duane profile image58
      shea duaneposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      i thought using the term 'the gay issue' was really dismissive of a large segment of humanity, also.

  9. brimancandy profile image81
    brimancandyposted 5 years ago

    In answer to the original post. I agree that the media is partially to blame for the whole gay marriage frenzy. People keep blaming it on a gay agenda, when the fact of the matter is, it's the political agenda, and the media, that has put gay marriage in the spotlight. As a lot of what is being said today, has only been brought up in the last couple years heading into a presidential election. Which does not surprise me...just another hot button issue.

    The Democrats have been trying to sidestep the issue, while leaving it up to the states to pass laws, and the republicans want an outright ban, because their largest financial contributor is the church. That, and they have no plan for America, and want to use the church to scare people into believing that there is impending doom, from gay marriage. Another issue that they tie to the church is abortion.

    However, if you look at the forums, the largest and most talked about subject is religion. And, as much as the politicians are trying to play god, I'm not surprised by all the religious crap that is coming out of their mouths these days. Gay rights is just one that they have chosen to fight head on, because they know that it's an issue that pisses off their base, which is made up of white god fearing rich people.

    I think is was Dave Shappel who did the best bit. One reporter says to him, if you are elected prsident what will do to help the poor and aid the economy. He raises his hand and says. "Awe screw that! Gay folks is getting married yaw, and that aint right...we're talking man on butt sex...in prison maybe. But, not in my neighborhood. Two girls together though..that s#$T is hot!" And, another reporter says...but what about jobs?" And, he looks at her and says did I stutter bytch!" No more questions. Pretty much the mood of the republican party.

  10. Mighty Mom profile image87
    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

    Actually, the recent obsession with "the gay issue" here on HP is merely a distraction from the much larger and more protracted full frontal assault being waged on women's reproductive freedoms by the (faux) religious right.
    Hang in here for a few more weeks and you'll see.
    We'll be back to our regularly scheduled full-fever-pitch moral outrage about the "A" word and women who don't want to get pregnant keeping their knees together and all the other associated anti-woman venom momentarily.
    smile

    Meantime, where can I get me one of those t-shirts?

    1. Marsei profile image86
      Marseiposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you, Mighty Mom.
      It seems a certain group of women does not want the government in their churches, schools, businesses, etc., but does want them in their reproductive organs and in their bedrooms to make sure they're with the correct partner.  Go figure.

      1. livelonger profile image94
        livelongerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Obsessing about gays and abortion is the easiest way to fake piety for a bunch of sinful heterosexual men.

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          Motown2Chitownposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          That's completely unfair, Jason. 

          It works for women too.  tongue

          1. livelonger profile image94
            livelongerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, I suppose among the post-menopausal bunch who won't have to make a decision on abortion for themselves. I've seen that a lot, too. tongue

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              Motown2Chitownposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              lol

              Sheesh, what if men could carry a child?  You'd be at the end of the butt of every political rifle barrel.  Thank God for small blessings.

              1. livelonger profile image94
                livelongerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                lol What's for absolute sure is that if men could get pregnant, the abortion issue on the right would vaporize.

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                  Motown2Chitownposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  You speak truth!

                2. MelissaBarrett profile image59
                  MelissaBarrettposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  LMAO... It might not change the abortion issue much but I PROMISE you that after the first birth they would be handing out condoms in happy meals.

                  1. livelonger profile image94
                    livelongerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    That, too! But I sense all the nuance and sense of agency over your own body would be part of the discussion, and opposition to choice would drop (at least until they reached "man"opause).

  11. psycheskinner profile image84
    psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago

    I think supporting gay marriage which would allow gays to co-adopt/inherit/get life saving health insurance/make end of life decisions for each other etc and allowing gays to serve openly in the military *is* acheiving something.

    1. Onusonus profile image81
      Onusonusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      It's flip flopping.

      1. psycheskinner profile image84
        psycheskinnerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        He's a politician. All I care about is whether he is flopping in my direction.

        1. Onusonus profile image81
          Onusonusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          And it is a reckless transformation of fundamental American values in the name of getting votes.

          1. livelonger profile image94
            livelongerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Changing the definition of marriage is a reckless transformation of fundamental American values?

            Hmmm...

            Are we talking about the outlawing of polygamy again?

            1. Onusonus profile image81
              Onusonusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              no, gay marriage. Try to keep up with the conversation.

              1. livelonger profile image94
                livelongerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Flew right over your head, didn't it?

                1. Onusonus profile image81
                  Onusonusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Nope. Just don't feel like pandering to nonexistent issues.

                  1. shea duane profile image58
                    shea duaneposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    i got it and it was funny

          2. SmartAndFun profile image98
            SmartAndFunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Equality is a fundamental American value.

            1. Onusonus profile image81
              Onusonusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Ok, lets say it's a civil right. What happens when a church doesn't want to marry two dudes? You can't deny people their civil rights, it's the law. They would have to break the law in order to follow their own doctrine. And that law would violate the first amendment of the constitution.

              1. livelonger profile image94
                livelongerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Red herring. Churches already establish their own standards, and regularly turn away people who want to get married but that don't meet their standards. Catholics won't marry divorced people or non-Catholics. Divorced people and non-Catholics still have plenty of other options to get a legally-recognized marriage; gay couples don't.

                1. Onusonus profile image81
                  Onusonusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  No, polygamy is the red herring. Religious freedom is directly connected with the issue. Gay couples all over the country have already sued and won against churches for "discrimination".

                  1. livelonger profile image94
                    livelongerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    For secular renting out of church property context, NEVER for a church refusing to marry them.

                    I'm not sure why Mormons, of all people, are so resistant to having the civil law extended to all citizens, but then again the LDS consistently lags progress, never leads it.

                  2. Cagsil profile image60
                    Cagsilposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Actually it's not. It's a societal construct, which is an agreement between more than two parties with regards to marriage. It just happens to be illegal.

                2. SmartAndFun profile image98
                  SmartAndFunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Exactly. Churches make their own rules, separate from the government's.

  12. Sally's Trove profile image83
    Sally's Troveposted 5 years ago

    I've been sitting on my thoughts about this forum thread for the better part of this day. Now it's time for me to speak up and out.

    To the OP, LGBT is not a noun that has an identity, it is an adjective, an acronym that describes a community. To use LGBT in the way you did supports livelonger's early comment: "This is the sort of absurd hyperbole that is actually helping speed up acceptance and approval of equality for LGBT people under the law. So, please, more."

    See? LGBT describes people. There is no "The LGBT."

    Please, keep posting, here and everywhere else, because your lack of intelligence and authority discredits you, your beliefs, and any cause you are involved with. Anyone with half a brain about this topic loves that.

    Whew...I feel better now.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      +1 lol

      1. Sally's Trove profile image83
        Sally's Troveposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        +2 to you.

    2. silverstararrow profile image85
      silverstararrowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Sally's Trove, I live in a country (India) where homosexuality is not openly accepted, and those who are involved in same sex relationships are forced to hide or worse try to convert themselves to be 'acceptable' members of the society. Should someone be bold enough to come out, they are directed towards psychatrists. All this is done without the backing of religion/Christianity, some sick reasoning about them not being 'normal'. Who decides on 'normal' anyway? You cannot even begin to imagine the sort of stigma prevalent here.

      This is WRONG!

      As if the level of discrimination based on skin colour, caste, religion, region, gender, mothertongue etc. was not enough, you have people trying to poke their noses into the personal life of others. This is actually invasion of privacy. Again, I talk of those who are against same sex relationships.

      Having said that, the reason why this issue (I know that word's become taboo here, but still I'm using it as my vocabulary is too poor to think up an appropriate word without being called offensive yet agin) has been brought to the forefront is a political one (at least in the US). In the context of the USA Presidential elections, this topic has gained some serious momentum. Why should a mere political tactic be cause for such outrage?

      I was merely naming the forum, not trying to demean people. Hence, I beseech you to forgive me for having used LGBT in any way that you thought was not right. If my use of those words helps speed up the process of equality (even if you mean that in a condescending sense), I have no reason to worry, and I've not once talked about cutting off anyone from society just because they live their lives in the way they wish and share it with those they love. I just hope that the blindsided people going on about the evils of being gay would shut up and get a life already.

      I'd redirect you to the reply posted by prettydarkhorse (below), who understood the thought I was aiming for and she's conveyed it much better.

      Also, using words like 'the', 'gay', 'issue' and 'LGBT' was strictly done in a neutral sense, not as a means to belittle anyone.

  13. pstraubie48 profile image85
    pstraubie48posted 5 years ago

    Absolutely...believe how you believe allow others to beleive as they do. It is not my place to dictate a life style to another. I certainly do not want anyone to tell me how to live.
    I believe we are all God's creations and He loves us all, not just some of us.

  14. Friendlyword profile image61
    Friendlywordposted 5 years ago

    It should be talked about alot!  Everyday all day!  Maybe a gay child will get away from their S$#t eating sicko "Christian" parents before they kill themselves. SILENCE=DEATH

    1. livelonger profile image94
      livelongerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I'm inclined to agree with you. That's why it's so important to come out and be visible. (I've been out for 22 years now! Man, I'm dating myself...)

      When I was growing up, I knew no one gay, so I had nothing to counter the unrelenting wave of homophobic propaganda with. Fortunately, my parents were not bigots, but I had friends who were not so lucky.

      1. MelissaBarrett profile image59
        MelissaBarrettposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        You know what's funny?  I'm still not completely out...  Although I'm not really hiding it...  I really should sit everyone down and tell them...  I'm pretty sure they've already guessed though.

        1. livelonger profile image94
          livelongerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          It's a little less important in the age of Will & Grace and Modern Family. (Actually, W&G was a decade ago...dating myself again.) LGBT folk aren't invisible anymore, although every decent member improves the average impression among everyone else. big_smile

          1. MelissaBarrett profile image59
            MelissaBarrettposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            +1

            1. Marsei profile image86
              Marseiposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Just reading through and saw this.   I think it is important to be out, especially in the South.  During a very long debate on Facebookk with a friend and former student, she said:  I only know one person who is gay.  When she began making some really offensive comments on Facebook, I had looked at her friend list of 200-some-odd people.  I immediately recognized a minimum of 15 of them who are gay.  She has no clue.  They are all intelligent, articulate, kind, and generous persons. Of course, I didn't mention it, because I could see her going through, trying to figure out who's gay. I don't know if it would change her opinion, but I tend to believe it would.  All this is easy for me to say as I'm straight.  I'm sure it's tough to know you may lose friends you value by coming out, but I believe it's even more important now than ever.   I agree with Livelonger that every decent member improves the overall impression.  I also believe that every decent member ups the chances for some kid in school who's being teased and taunted.  If children have a view of "gays" as a tiny portion of society, they're more likely to torment a gay child than when that portion is not so tiny and includes their neighbor, bus driver, cafeteria worker, aunt, uncle, and so on.  The words of one of the latest teen suicides still echos in my mind:  You don't know what it's like to be hated.  The more adult gay persons who are out, the easier the path for young gays trying to survive high school, which is tough enough when you're straight.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            They never were invisible.  They just exercised some personal self control and didn't flaunt it in the public's face.  Sorry, but the current display isn't an improvement; it's a liberal movement akin to outright bullying.

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              You really have no concept of reality, do you Brenda?

              1. MelissaBarrett profile image59
                MelissaBarrettposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Nope she's right...

                I am ashamed... I flaunt my heterosexual relationship every day by going out in public obviously pregnant.

                From this moment forward no pregnant woman shall ever leave the house or acknowledge her pregnancy...

                Could someone avert their eyes long enough to bring me some mint-chocolate chip icecream?

                1. jeanihess profile image61
                  jeanihessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Mint-chocolate chip ice-cream coming right up:) May I touch- feel baby kick? Mind you I don't think that any gays that I know would mind your bump!

                  1. MelissaBarrett profile image59
                    MelissaBarrettposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    ROFL...  I have gays touch my baby bump on a regular basis.  Everyone touches my baby bump!  Strangers in grocery stores... people at gas stations...  I fear that soon going to church is going to leave me exposed to rug burn smile.

                    And as much as this one kicks they generally go away happy!  So touch away.

  15. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago

    Yes, people wanting to marry the person they love is bullying... roll

  16. prettydarkhorse profile image65
    prettydarkhorseposted 5 years ago

    I think most of the people who are OPs in several forum threads about gays are   overemphasizing the issues about gays. Mostly they are intolerant and prejudiced. The rest are just trying to negate or take the bait (being on a defensive mode) which should not be the case. Those who are bigots are trained towards deductive reasoning, they have this generalized notions already and they stick to it, failing to see statements, arguments or reasons.

    1. silverstararrow profile image85
      silverstararrowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Phew, that is exactly what I've been trying to say for so long!  smile

      You really put it clearly, prettydarkhorse.

      1. prettydarkhorse profile image65
        prettydarkhorseposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        smile smile

  17. noenhulk profile image74
    noenhulkposted 5 years ago

    gays! I have no issue with the gays. They are fun to be with. No dull moment with them. The issue with other people is that they don't want the same sex marriage. That's their opinion anyway.

    1. Mighty Mom profile image87
      Mighty Momposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      The issue with the other people is they are threatened by gays being afforded the same rights they take for granted.
      That gays marrying will demean "their" institution of marriage.
      Or their own personal marriage.

  18. profile image0
    NikiiLeeReyesposted 5 years ago

    Totally with it, Im happy they passed the law. What bothers me the most is that in this era of Information, why cant people have open minds and just let things be?
    We are who we are. Its saddening really, the one's who are so angry by this new movement. We are growing, manifesting every day-every year. The goal, I believe in these forums, is for people to become more accepting and aware of the fact that "Gays, Lesbians, Bi's--&Straights" are inevitably HUMAN! We all feel, eventually we all wish to settle down-so, who are we to tell other who to love?

 
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