It seems like a never ending cycle. It seems like a war of words. I became caught in it at one time myself. I don't know that anyone will ever win it?
sort by best latest
I would argue and suggest that religion is an obstruction in the path to true spirituality. The path to spirituality requires an open mind willing to question and seek understanding. Religious doctrine quashes this demanding blind faith and belief.
I agree, totally
Radical Rog, do not confused religion with "organized religion". Organized religion are shams. Because they want to increase their membership, they tell you that you can easily go to heaven just by joining their church, whatever.
Religions, by their nature have, are based around theology and doctrine. The practice of theology and doctrine is to reject all ideas that disagree, thereby closing the mind. Name one religion without theology and doctrine and I will agree.
If I am not mistaken, animism and the Chinese folklore religion that is practised by many Chinese have no theology or doctrine.
True, though they are more closely related to paganism, which some call a religion, though it is really an umbrella term for those seeking the hidden spiritual knowledge of the occult. But here we could argue about the definition of religion.
How interesting. Radical Rog prefers to snub Paganism as not being a real religion in favor of other factless, baseless, mythologies, based on nothing more than faith. Literally, there is no difference in the two other than prejudice.
Paganism really is an umbrella term for many different religions though..
Sorry cperuzzi, but I do not snub paganism. I view paganism as being above religion because it allows for freedom of thought, though once again we're into the definition of religion and, dare I say, mythology, which is the root of paganism.
Apologies. This is the problem with the written word and it is subject to misinterpretation. I find the Pagan view of spirituality and mythology fascinating and it opens a different avenue to enlightenment. One truth... many paths.
Ketage, I agree with you. We are all at different stages in our spiritual development. Let each one find the religion that suits him or her most. Not everyone can relate to a formless God.
Good answer. Almost everyone here is answering this question in Christian terms. The question is about religion - not Christianity.
I see you haven't met Jesus...yet. "My sheep hear my voice and they know me."
I'm Jesuit educated. I'd love to meet Jesus, I hear he does good carpentry. Unfortunately, he never comes when I call him... even when I leave cookies.
right answer.everyone should read this carefully.
I was raised Catholic. I always believed in Jesus, but I didn't know Him until I took a step of faith when I was 23. Even then, I had doubts because not too much changed in my life except I suddenly stopped swearing like a sailor w/ no effort.
While I mentioned that there is a need to examine philosophy and theology. The real answer is more in the realm of psychology.
That's why Christ was crucified...he stirred the pot...then He told us to stir the pot too. 10 of 12 apostles were martyred, 1 was sent to Patmos. What they shared was worth talking about and dying for. It still is. Be strong!
It's mythology. It's classic mythology. Christians believe in the crucifixion because it's part of the story. Acts of the Apostles is also part of the story. That behavior only perpetuates more nonsense and gets good people killed... for nothing.
Substitute "jihad" for "crusade" and you change the paradigm for some. It's sort of the same difference between terrorist and freedom fighter. It all depends on what side of the dogma you're on.
Cults are a big joke, yes but when people believe in God they sometimes take things to an extreme . Teaching things and misinterperting HOLY SCRIPTURE. there is the danger. People need no Cult or unbiblical org telling them their status with HIM.
Not everyone believes in God in heaven and although Jesus lived, not all of us have to agree that he is "our lord".. and we should just
accept each others beliefs and not force ours on others
Dueling Bible thumpers. How nice.
It's interesting to see people be passionate with their religion and that somehow they are privileged to see the universal truth through a flawed book that drew bloodshed. I'd hate to think that's how it works.
"When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land." -- Desmond Tutu
I think that the truth is much more complicated, and that we can consider Jesus to be a Boddhisatva.
KILL ALL THE NONBELIEVERS WHO... No, you're right, it's ego.
People have a need for order in their lives and if there is doubt in their faith then they feel they're wasting their time. That's my thought, anyway.
My daughter is a missionary overseas. Her ministry is to Muslims who do not know Jesus. Usually, when a Muslim comes to Christ is because He has revealed Himself to them in a dream. He is God, He is alive, & not Boddhisatva.
The problem with your love is that it is selfish love. It has a hook in it. Human beings cannot love unconditionally without God's Agape (unconditional) love in them, and that only comes from Christ coming to live inside of us.
Of course lorirose.. Everything comes from god coming to live inside us.. But in my opinion love can never be selfish..Love has no religion.. Its something inside us - in our each and every body part. Be it any religion - LOVE is same.
I hear what you are saying, avneet, I think...you believe that love can never be selfish. This is what I disagree with. Human nature allows us only selfish love. We are selfish by nature. Our love always is self-referential. God's love is not.
I could not disagree more. Your assumption is that there is only one religion. There are plenty of religions out there: valid or invalid. And yes, that includes Scientology. Think of religion as a practice and faith as belief.
Not what I said at all. How many interpretations are there? as many humans on earth. Religion is based in man, and his practices, based on his interpretation of the bible. Faith is the belief in that which is not seen, or touched.
"Religion is man's interpretation of the Bible." Your first sentence. That just isn't so. I consider myself somewhat religious and it has nothing to do with a Bible. Religion is a practice. Christianity is a religion based on the Bible.
Christianity is faith in a WHO, not a WHAT. My faith is in Christ, not what He taught. I believe and work at practicing what He taught, but my faith is in Him alone. If I do nothing, if I sin, or if I do good works, it doesn't matter. I'm free.
The point is, is that it's a belief surrounded by a religion. I could believe that the messiah is a cat and that I should do nothing but drink milk all week. That is the practice of religion. You describe brands of Christianity.
To challenge those that disagree, All the different 'Christian' religions look to Moses and Abraham as founding fathers, as does all of Islam. They all interpret the same writings in their own way.
Great answer radical Rog, and to add another point we are all descendants of Moses. Each of us has a choice, to believe or not to believe. We are not puppets, we have a choice. Just shows how unconditional his love is for us. Not About Mans Religion
I'm not. Not even spiritually. I am religious. It is only the arrogance of others that assumes I would even be remotely a child of Israel or any brand of Christianity or Muslim. And Islam is still the largest practiced religion on the planet.
I am confused , from your comment that I read here, I am given to understand that in your eyes, the word religions applies to only different interpretations of the bible, what about religions that have nothing to do with the bible?
Cperuzzi 5, you said: "Islam is still the largest practiced religion on the planet." Where did you get that? According to Wikipedia, Islam is the 2nd largest religion and one of the fastest-growing religions in the world.
Sorry, old data.
32% Christian, 21% Muslim, and 16% comprising of None, Agnostic, Atheist, and prefer not to answer - according to the Washington Post.
Cperuzzi, you talk about "practiced religion". Islam is a religion where, if you join, you cannot quit. I look at Malaysia and find that there are many non-practising Muslims. Some want to quit but they are not allowed to. Is that why it is so large?
Right with God is good however what do you believe about the Bibile in general? We must have a set of orderly guidelines to live by and the Church is the one who gives that....Great comment...
Actually, Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are all religions that interpret all or parts of the Bible. Your comment leaves out several other major world regligions, which is disappointing.
Almost. You hooked me with the vocabulary issue. Religion is practice. Who you are and what you believe is philosophy. Everyone has a philosophy - you don't need to have a religion. The question - which no one here has addressed is "Why?"
You know a great deal about this.I was indoctrinated at a young age into a cult and the presence of them in society makes me sick. Thanks this is the best comment so far.
hate to disagree, religion and God are two different things, religion is a term which defines how God is veiwed. Only a True Valid Bible Based, backed up with history and etc is a way for people to find God, Please read me and see that I do know it.
Yes, you have the right to believe whatever you want to. Scripture says, God even gives us the faith to believe in Jesus so we can't boast about our faith. We have to hum-ble ourselves to receive Christ, but Jesus commissioned us to challenge you.
Uh Oh here we go with the disagree, the "Only," and the "I" do know thing
Religion is the method of worship to a god or gods. Spirituality is how it is experienced or the relationship people have with the Divine. Show me a Buddhist and I'll show you a man without a religion who is spiritually aligned.
QUOTE: "The Christian faith is the ONLY doctrine that condemns a mans wickedness..."
Not too sure about that... I like to read about various religions and so far, I haven't heard of any religion that does not condemn a man's wickedness.
It's a book of fairy tales that people have killed for. Where is the peace and spirituality in justifying genocide? One must ask if it is appropriate to judge based on someone else's mythology. I say, "It's your Hell, burn in it."
It's really only Christians and Muslims that argue over this, though the god of both is the god of Abraham and Moses. And both not only argue, but have a history of slaughtering those who disagree with them. Now that's wickedness.
2 answers hidden due to negative feedback. Show
2 answers hidden due to negative feedback. Hide