Yoga is one of Satan's ways to seduce you into giving up your soul to him. Not the only way by far, but it certainly seems to be one of his favorites. It is even taught in schools and churches now.
Meditation, mudras (specific hand signs and body postures) and mantras are specifically designed to get your brain to a certain state of conciousness, where he can then influence your thinking.
Eventually, if you are foolish enough to continue this practice to it's culmination, you will lose your soul. Possibly this only means that you will have to reincarnate and remain on this Earth, but it could mean you lose your soul for good. It is basically making a deal with the devil. In fact, that is what it literally is.
There isn't an emoticon or words that could describe the massiveness and magnitude of just how ridiculous and hilarious that comment.
Grown adults, indeed.
I can't stand you ATM, but I really hope you never experience this for yourself. I don't think you are a bad person. I wouldn't wish anything bad to happen to you.
I do yoga as part of my exercise program. I'm not a big fan of yoga because it is hard to do, but I know the benefits of yoga do wonders to my physical being, giving me flexibility, balance and strength.
If that is Satan's doing, then bring it on.
It is yoga.
Yoga MEANS "yoking to God" or "union with God"
it is a Hindu religious practice.
But it is really just a way for satan to get you into a union with him.
I'm looking forward to when she researches and debunks the reincarnation idea. She'll get there, I bet.
Not that I want to make a deal with the devil, but just once in my life I would love to have an experience that helps threads like this make sense. Honestly, I thought it was a joke. I've practiced yoga. I have no idea how you came up with this.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.... thanks for the laugh...
If a calming exercise routine is enough to make you lose control of your mind, then you have a really effing weak mind in the first place, and so nothing of value was lost.
I don't think you really know what yoga is. It's hardly a "calming excersize routine".
Why don't you go study what yoga really consists of before you lololol me.
I took yoga classes for years and all it did was help me relax after a day of work and keep me in great physical shape. The instructor left town about 7 years ago - so there went my yoga class, but I thoroughly recommend it to anyone who wants to get in shape.
No hocus pocus to it at all.
Not everything that is different is evil.
It's just different.
Sometimes, it behooves us to get out from behind the curtain and join the world of the living.
It is if that is how you do it. Plenty of people use it as exercise, or exercise and meditation and nothing more.
Others use it as part of their religion, and Hindus are *not* Satanists or some front for Satanism. Suggesting otherwise would be very prejudiced.
Perhaps you should consider that you, personally, had an idiosyncratic bad experience--and it does not have huge implications for yoga, Hindus are indeed anyone but you.
Hindus aren't Satanists. Satan uses yoga as a means to manipilate people. People just don't realize it.
It starts out fine until your hands atart moving into mudras by themselves. It only gets worse from then on.
For *you*. Perhaps you should explore alternative explanations for your experiences before denigrating a practice of a major world religion and a leisure activity for millions more. Because either Satan is very wimpy, a lot of people are Satanists or influenced by Satan, or you got it wrong. I know which I find more plausible.
It is hardly just me. A simple internet search should clue you into that.
You and a handful of other people who thought you saw Satan (assuming such a being exists) versus the other billion or so who find it a life enriching practice.
IMHO you seem like you were overexcited to it being a world-saving revelation and it backfired. I find it helps with my muscle cramps, and it does. Not sighting of Satan as yet.
I think it is unlikely given that I don't even believe in him. When it comes to things outside the physical world we tend to see things that we are open in some way to seeing. Especially as I do not put myself in extremely altered mental states.
I have a hard time believing that you were 100% excited about this one day ago and now you are all of a sudden 100% against it. It seems to me as if you're playing some kind of a game. You can't twist facts to fit your needs. It is deceitful. (3, 2, 1... enter ATM.)
If your hands are moving in ways you don't want them to move - perhaps you should see a medical doctor. It could be the first sign of a debilitating condition.
How would you know? You have never tried it, obviously.
A krya ia a spontaneous movement. When this happens to you, perhaps you will believe me.
Have you ever heard of muscle memory? Where one trains their muscles to move without conscious involvement from the mind?
Athletes use it (particularly fighters), machinery operators use it, and a great many people the world over use it when performing repetitive tasks. It frees the mind to do other things while greatly speeding up reflexive action.
If you don't like the feeling of your limbs moving without conscious volition or think that training your own body to do so results in Satan moving your limbs FOR you, don't train yourself to move them that way. Problem solved.
Believing anything you say is highly unlikely.
All the answers are within yourself. Anything outside of your own mind is nothing more than your personal perceptions. Do not blame outside forces for your existence. All reality begins inside of your own mind. Anything you think is unique. No two people think the same.
There are no mystical outside forces influencing your life. It is you, it has always been you.
I'm a practicing Hindu, which means I practice meditation, yoga and tantra. Mudras and mantras are the parts of meditation and tantra. According to your definition I'm a Satanist, my father is satanist, my mother is Satanist, President and prime minister of my country are satanist, 80 percent of 24 million people in my country are Satanist. About 80 percent of 1.2 billion people in India are Hindus, and almost all Hindus practice some form of yoga and meditation. Buddhism also emphasizes on meditation, and madras are essential part of meditation. China, Japan and Korea are predominantly Buddhist. Chinese, Japanese and the Koreans practice meditation all the while their hands making some mudras.The world seems to be full of Satanist.
I'm afraid so.
I practice meditation to de-stress after work.
So I guess I'm a Satanist too.
When or how did I make any reference to Satan?
Perhaps you responded to the wrong post?
I was trying to respond to the person who created this thread. There was some connection problem and sadly my reply posted under the wrong post. Sorry about that.
Maybe a journey out of the body that took the wrong turning, lol
This thread is one of the most amazing and amusing I have ever seen.
Do you have any basis whatsoever for your argument and your faith, or do you merely regurgitate empty and wild claims about things you know little about?
I think the funniest part of this discussion is when you brought up that "krya" is a spontaneous movement...of the devil, apparently. Do you think all Penetcostal Christians are going to Hell too because of their spontaneous bursts into "speaking in tongues" and dancing in church?
BTW spreading untruths is abuse of freedom of speech.
So, thanks for nothing... on this topic.
So you can "abuse" freedom of speech, only others shouldn't do it?
Who am I to argue with anyone? Who are we to argue amongst ourselves.
Instead, lets vote to see how many agree that Yoga is Bad vs. those who agree that Yoga is Good. I vote that it is good. Thats one vote for Yoga: Good.
Any votes for Yoga: Bad?
Oh boy, oh boy, this is ....RICH! Yoga is bad? C'mon now!
ANOTHER one ! What will be next? Yoga as the source of ALL EVIL? Give me a break, man!
I told you not to say anything, why didn't YOU listen! It's pointless! What DID I tell you?
Good for... what?
Bad for... what?
(Thanks for the excellent analogy, R6.)
Durian is Bad for the sense of smell.
Good for the sense of taste.
Yoga is Good for those who wish to develop their awareness and love of reality within and without.
Yoga is and Bad for those who idolize sloths.
Yoga is good for those who want to exercise but want peace and avoid gym. Reality has nothing to do with yoga.
Yoga is bad for those who want muscles and not flexibility.
Reality does indeed have something to do with Yoga. Most people don't realize this fact, but its a fact, nonetheless.
BTW Where does Durian grow? I have never heard of it!
That's how public discussions do. People say stuff, other people heed, engage or ignore it to the extent pleases them. The same applies to advising people not to do yoga because Satan will get them.
Tell us about the god untruth some more.
This is getting....GOOD! Let's SEE where THIS is going......
Maybe, but I feel there's a little confused thinking here somewhere, might even extend to something deeper.
I would guess that its already about
...at this point the blue butterfly has been out voted and has apparently flown away.
Can't go by polls.
Lotsa people don't vote in polls.
If they were to vote in this "poll".........I believe most people who know the Bible's intent and heed its warnings about things of the Devil.......would indeed "vote" against yoga.
The Bible says to give no place to the Devil. It also says to meditate on God's word. Other types of meditation do what janesix says (leaves your mind "blank" or open to other thoughts (repetitive thoughts, even!) besides the word of God. The Word says we should exercise self-control, that we can even control our own thoughts (or at least control how far we go with our thoughts). Inviting just anything or anyone into our minds isn't good.
And it's my understanding that yoga is a specifically Hindu exercise, even though it may have been "adopted" or supposedly adopted by others in an attempt at using it for a different "spiritual" exercise including Christianity...........the thing is, if it were a Biblically-condoned exercise, then it wouldn't be called "yoga" at all.
Brenda, your post here is a very vivid example of the closed, narrow mind of a born again christian, in my view.
It seems you know nothing about yoga and meditation for a start. Otherwise you would have no need to say things like: "...heed its (the bible's) warnings about things of the Devil..."
"It also says to meditate on God's word." Really? !! Where, and in which translation?
And: " repetitive thoughts, even! " Are you talking here about bible study and prayer meetings, where there is repetition ad infinitum ? ("We just pray Lord..." "We just ask you Lord...." "Hallelujah!!! Hallelujah" etc.)
Those hymns that are sung, week after week, I can imagine your god getting sick of hearing them... so glib and un-meaningful.
"... that we can even control our own thoughts ..." and even to the extent that you close off your minds to anything new, to the entire beautiful world that you are blessed with and, instead, concentrate on combating the "evil" that you are obsessed with!
Compared with the Sanskrit texts and the enlightened understanding it can give to human nature, your very bible and the charlatans that try to interpret it for their own ends, are the epitomy of evil.
Hope you are not too disappointed with these truths.... they can be a bit uncomfortable to stomach.
The real truth is that this world is big enough and diverse enough to encompass your views, and my views, and those of Muslims, and Hindus, and Christians, and Pagans, and Wiccans.... you name it. There is room for all of our points of view. But presumably not in the minds of narrow, blinkered, fanatical christians. Am I right?
You're right that there is room in this world, indeed! But not in the Spiritual world of a Christian. We are in this world, we must live here, but we aren't to be "of" this world.
I might be "disappointed" indeed IF those things you said WERE Truths of life. But they are not.
You asked what Scripture tells us to meditate on God's word.
1Timothy 4: 15 is one.
Also Philippians 4:8
"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."
There are other Scripture passages that speak to the issue of meditating on the Bible's words. Do you want those too?
Yoga is the science of union with God. It ain't bad
- at all.
Biblically, the "union with God" goes through Jesus the Savior. He is the mediator between God and man, the only valid mediator. Yoga isn't a Christian activity, by its very definition even.
Now, I do think a Christian can exercise repetitively and even "meditate" as long as it's Bible-based meditation or even just thinking about good things, OR even leaving one's mind restful and free of cluttered thoughts, etc. But yoga by definition isn't just thinking good things nor necessarily just restful pause in thoughts, it's specifically a Hindu (anti-Christian) exercise that opens one's mind up to spiritualism but not Spiritualism (Godly things, the Holy Spirit).
"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."
A really inspired paragraph to read, learn and inwardly digest. Do you really suppose Paul was talking about the "New Testament" which in those days had not even been written?
Do you suppose Paul would be pleased with the narrow- and closed-minded attitudes of today's christians?
Do you really suppose that the god you worship, one that is constricted and limited by christian ideas and prejudice, is really worth worshipping? You will get the god you deserve!
I think this thread is meant to parody a certain other poster who frequents the religion forum. Here are some Satanic animals for your enjoyment.
bunnies, squirrels, ringtail lemurs, chihuahuas and oh my gosh, even sloths?! - all tuning in to s s s S a t a n.
Watching some one who believes in talking snakes and people coming back to life making fun of some one who believes Yoga is the work of Satan? Priceless.
At least 4 of those have Guru potential!
Beth, YOU did not forget. You know this thread is SUCH FUN!
How come when you click on "unfollow" it still notifies you?
By the way, jonnycomelately.........
from some of the things you said in your post, I take it that you think I'm a "fanatical" Christian?........
Honestly.......if anything, I'm one of the least-strict Christians! I don't think Christians have to dress any specific way except to be decent, I don't think smoking is a sin, I don't think drinking is a sin (but being a drunk is), I think it's okay to joke around some as long as it's not indecent humor, I watch regular tv shows lots of times (but I can discern when they go too far or if they could lead impressionable people astray), I believe one can be a Christian and not be a member of a church or go to church every Sunday etc., I'm not picky about what kinds of foods people eat or how much, I'm apt to challenge any Pastor or preacher's words from the pulpit or off, etc. and etc. on so many things.
I've pretty much decided that a lot of strict Christians probably view me as quite heathenish! But I don't really care. I only care about what whether a person is saved or unsaved. I want people to go to heaven.
I do, however, take the Bible very seriously, and I know that proper interpretation of it is critical in most areas, and I take spiritual/Spiritual things very seriously. Any activity that can have a detrimental and deceitful effect on people are very important things to me.
Thank you Brenda, it's good to know that I am not addressing you in regard to fundamentalism, and I respect your path.
However, I do stick to my point here, that to judge yoga and meditation from a position of ignorance needs to be addressed.
You will find, if you are interested enough to look into it, that there are many christian people who have learned some wonderful insights about spirituality from performing yoga and learning good meditation techniques. Vipassana meditation, with a strong Buddhist element, can be practised by anyone, of any religion, any faith, without having to drop their faith. The world of learning is infinite.
Here again, I'm not interested (matter of fact, I'm strongly opposed to) in a mix of religions nor religious activity. While what I told you is true, and I'm not a strict Christian as far as earthly things that don't matter, I am for sure set on only Christian modes of practicing "spirituality". There is only one "spirit" that I'm gonna follow in any way, shape, or form, and that is the Holy Ghost. The mixing isn't good. It confuses people. And the God I follow isn't the author of confusion. Christians need to have a fixed mind and motivation and set of actions. There's a verse in the Bible that talks about our minds and hearts being fixed on the Lord.
- what is deceitful in this arena is the lie that Yoga is in any way a gateway to "Satan." Yoga teaches that meditation on God, or loving God, (through being still and being with God)) helps bring God directly into one's consciousness and life. It is all about the "lamp of the body" (..."thine eye be single...") which Jesus clearly referred to. In fact, Jesus taught a meditation technique.
All Yoga exercise helps to energize the body and assists in conscious realization of the source of the life-force within... which of course is the energy of God. Scientifically speaking, all is God. Yoga meditation and exercise helps individual awareness in becoming increasingly more sensitive and aware of the essence of God within and without.
Ah, and here we get to the nitty gritty for real.
You speak of the "energy of God" and "all is God" and "in and out"..........
Nope. All is not God. God is a specific Being, a specific entity. He is not the same as other "gods" and He is not "in" everything and everything is not in Him. He is not non-specific. He is very knowable in many many ways. The Bible tells us a lot about Him. And one thing He is not......is non-specific.
What "meditation technique" is it that you think Jesus taught, you said?
So, Brenda, you are indeed a narrow minded, fundamentalist christian!
I suppose so. Amen!
The way is strait (narrow), my mind is closed to false and anti-Christ ideas, and I do believe in the fundamentals of Christianity.
I am fixed on the Word. I make no apology for that.
There is more to the Word than meets the eye. Many things recorded about Jesus have been buried away in the dead sea scrolls or thrown away by Christian reformers. He referred to God as Mother, as well. This is a reference to Mother Nature. God, as Mother Nature, is therefore in everything. You do not have to believe all this. The Bible is good enough for devoted Christians. Its all Good.
Can you tell me where I can find these things that have been thrown away please?
They were thrown away as in gone gone gone. The Dead Sea scrolls however, are still intact. That's where Jesus's reference to God as Mother was discovered. I read this in a book I had, but I lost it.
So - how do you know what was written in them? And what do the dead sea scrolls say about Jesus exactly?
The Essenes have this knowledge. A wish I had that book. I have looked and looked for it. I don't even remember the title. sorry. There may be other books. The internet is no help at all.
Sorry - that didn't really answer my question. How do you know what was written in the texts that were thrown away?
King Charlemagne had many books of the New testament burned.
Maybe I am being unclear with my question or something. Do you actually know what was written in these books?
I have also done some more research and it basicallly supports what I had thought - that there is no reference to Jesus in the dead sea scrolls. So wherever you got the idea that he said what you said he did - it is wrong.
Nope. Of course not. The point is that all info about Jesus and what he said and did has been sort of... censored. Who knows what He actually taught? He could have been explaining the essence of Yoga teaching back then and we would never know! Actually, He talks about last lives... and He talks about Heaven being within... So even in the Books we have there are references to" Yoga" based understanding. He was a middle eastern man, after all... who had travelled to India. There are records in Ladakh about his presence there. He had some reforming to do there too.
1. The records in Ladakh
2. The Dead Sea scrolls
3. The books of the New Testament that were destroyed
...and that is contemporary as they get.
There are records in Ladakh! You need to go there. Happy traveling. It is amazing there!
...who am I to make you believe or not believe in anything? In the end we all make up our own minds.
So have it your way.
Odd that you keep making false claims in that case. It is not a question of believing anything. It is a question of truth. There are no records in Ladakh and the dead sea scrolls make no mention of Jesus. Nor are there any other references to this person. That is why I asked you to back up your claims. And - you have not done so. Does it not bother you to repeat things that are demonstrably false?
- for one thing, neither you nor I have any idea whether the Dead Sea scrolls and the records in Ladakh can be authenticated or not.
Neither of us!
One way or the other!
You are just as bad as me!
We are both equally bad at procuring
2. Lack thereof.
lying? Well, I have been lied to and I have drunk the cool-aid as they say. OR WAS IT A LIE?
I chose to believe it was true. You choose to not believe.
It is a dilemma. Life sucks.
All we can do is do what we like as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Hope this has not hurt you. I never want to force my beliefs onto others. What we are arguing about is what is acceptable in logical terms. Women have less of a filter than men, I believe, regarding what is logical. (sorry to say that, women, but it is just a observation based on human nature
that I have decided
Yes - it was a lie. There is no reference to Jesus in the dead sea scrolls and he did not say anything about god being mother. Nor are there any contemporary references to this person. Yes - I imagine you do think life sucks and presumable that is why you need to make stuff up. I guess a lot of believers think that way. I prefer to learn things and know the truth.
And - yes - I believe being lied to is damaging to people. You obviously don't care. Why is that?
You are a teacher - is it OK to teach children the stuff you have been saying without bothering to check the facts?
...ouch. I am a s u b s t i t u t e teacher. I avoid actual teaching in the classrooms of other teachers for fear of teaching what is not true. I wanted to be an art teacher. I wanted to allow children to get in touch with their creativity and joy of doing art.
Instead, I became a mother and learned the importance of setting appropriate boundaries. Not lying is one of those boundaries.
However, There is still a part of me that likes to creatively explore
(...here on HP in this anonymous fashion and mostly to practice writing/spelling skills. I even learn to think more clearly from people like you Mark K. So Thank you.)
Again I apologize for apparently leading you on.
(After this conversation I think I should never return. But then, I say this to myself every single time I log out.)
Creatively explore possibilities? How is making a claim that Jesus was quoted in the dead sea scrolls as saying something when it is false, exploring possibilities?
I am not offended. The 12 year old me that was fed a load of garbage by adults is still offended and always will be. But that was not you.
Bon Voyage, Jonny, let us all in on what you discover when you do get there!!
Um......that sounds rather condescending, really. LOL.
If there were such a radical thing as Scriptural proof that Jesus referred to God as "Mother".......then that would be something that would've been included in the Bible for every Christian to know.
It's not just that the Bible we "regular" Christians have is "good enough"; it is that it is the complete word of God.
I simply love it (not) when people claim to know or to know of some great, mysterious, extraneous verses or writings that aren't in the Bible yet are being touted as divine Scripture.
Oh my, I gotta laugh again! You think "Mother Nature" is God? And that she is "in everything"?
Well, you're right about one thing----Christians don't have to believe that! ha. And indeed no Bible-believing person would.
No it wouldn't. The men who translated and compiled the books of the bible would never, every have included any such radical notion that might degrade the importance and superiority of the male gender.
Ok Brenda. Would you like to describe to me what you see as the attributes of your god?
I.e., what is worthy of worship?
"Regular " Christians? How would you define what is "regular"?
Who are you to question what other people's God is, Brenda? God may not be to other people what it is to you and saying such things as this will likely cause issues with people that may see God differently than you. If there are people that believe that God is in everything and they revere that as "Mother Nature" why can't you just let them believe what they want, no harm done, instead of feeling the need to CORRECT them or their beliefs? Frankly, it is none of anyone's business how others see God, what's it to you? Why do you care? Christians get offended when non-believers laugh at their idea of God yet here you are doing the very same thing. Superiority complex within some mainstream religions is often the cause for much debate and toe-stepping. Laughing at the possible believe that others may have is unbecoming of anyone, this applies to Christians too.
God is God. There is no other. He is not "Mother Nature". You bet, yes, I do laugh at such silly notions as God being "Mother Nature", and I neither owe nor make any apology for being sensible and following the Bible's Truths.
No apology was expected from you, Brenda. God is God, that's right. And your God may not be someone else's. Your "truth" is no better than anyone else's "truth". Your religion is equal to all others. It is not superior. Like it or not, that is how it is. You being intolerant of other people's beliefs and ideas speak volumes for your religion. And Christians wonder why they are so misunderstood?! Your lack of compassion, tolerance, and love for others and your views are a perfect example as to why.
Then I conclude that your god is Brenda-made.
Can you imagine this scenario?
It's snowing heavily outside. You race out into the cold air and frantically manage to catch only 8 snow flakes.
You come back in and tell everyone: "It's not snowing very much. I have only seen 8 snow flakes. Even they did not last for long. You will just have to take my word for it that I caught 8."
I would say
if it's provable to oneself, it's provable enough!
Although I might add that the level of proof leading to belief varies greatly from person to person.
- yes, as per jonny's illustration. lol!
Just so. The question, then, is that when you tell someone there is confirmation of Jesus outside of the bible, what you might think they would accept as proof. Knowing that the bible won't be accepted, why give it at all? Or the dead sea scrolls, unless you can quote from them, as that person has already said it isn't in those scrolls.
Just to reiterate or confirm that you don't require the same level of proof as they do to form a belief?
I think in terms of gists. The gist of the matter at hand is that there is a lot we do not know. Is this not valid?
Then you shouldn't claim to know things that you don't know. And no - that is not the gist at all. It has nothing at all to do with making claims that are false. I will be the first to admit there is a lot we don't know. Not sure what that has to do with making claims that you know something when it is false.
I believe that Jesus and Yoga go hand in hand. I do not believe that Yoga is the gateway to Satan. That is my final answer. The possibility that Jesus actually taught yogic principles is real to me for the reasons I came up with. If you do not like my thinking process, I am sorry and I will stop (have stopped) already!
I already told you I do not ever attempt to teach anything. Unless it is Art which I know a thing or two about. I will quietly go now. ( Note to self: Avoid keyboarding on hP to UNOHOO.
- why would I not ...go? What more damage do I want to do? If I can damage you, I could certainly damage others! My "possibilities" are obviously dangerous to the sanity and sense of logic and truth in others.
I am not one to stick to sanity, logic and truth here in hP because it no fun for me. If I have to stick to sanity, logic and truth I might as well find something better to do.
It is indeed 100% valid that there is much we do not know.
But that is not the gist of the matter; that is that we sometimes present opinion or belief as knowledge. Or present evidence we know is invalid to the recipient. Should you wish, for instance, to present the dead sea scrolls as secondary evidence of Jesus to Mr. Knowles, (who has said no such evidence is present in those documents) you would need to be prepared to quote, with at least a link to where you got the quote or a screenshot of the relevant section. Whether you are correct or not anything else will be taken as opinion rather than fact and is worthless in any discussion.
But you already know this, so the question remains of why do it? Boredom? Inability to distinguish opinion from fact (I don't believe that)? Ego to the point that anything conceived by your brain is known to be correct by the rest of the world (don't believe that either)? A belief that if you repeat something enough times it will be believed? Why? (I realize this is off the subject, but am genuinely curious.)
I explained I am discussing *possibilities*. I do not think that we should be closed to the idea that Jesus and Yoga are compatible. I explained I had a book which revealed additional teachings of Jesus regarding many things including health principles and references to God as Mother as well as Father. I wish like crazy I could quote from that book, but unfortunately, I lost it. I guess without references I should not attempt to discuss my beliefs. Again, I am sorry. I will just keep quiet when I cannot back things up.
Otherwise it is eyeball abuse.
See? I learned another boundary.
(BTW This boundary is in line with "Do unto Others as you would have Others do unto You." as advised by Jesus.)
Or, conversely, "I will continue to have the courage not to keep quiet, even when what I say cannot be backed up by me, because at least it makes people think more, and I might even learn more....."
And "possibilities" are not a bad thing to discuss. Such as Jesus and yoga are compatible.
I saw your reference to a book with explanations - a book which you no longer have and cannot find again. Good for an initial comment for discussion, not so good as evidence of His acceptance of Yoga or His existence.
But never be quiet and never fail for offer something for discussion. Offering thoughts (especially when backed with solid thought and reason) is a wonderful way to start a discussion - a great many threads are opened that way. Others may have the "proof" you lack.
Well, thank you, wilderness. Some kindness coming my way at last. I always hope there are others who have more detailed knowledge about what I have brought up for discussion. Occasionally it happens!
No thanks necessary; it is a simple truth, although I do think that comments should be tailored to whoever one is responding to.
For instance, you suggested elsewhere that women are more "susceptible" to religion (or less logical in the sense discussed here, I forget the specific comment and am too lazy to look it up) - that could be an interesting topic for discussion regardless of whether true or not.
Hmm. Not sure how to take that, whether good or bad.
And it's not fair to add to your post about being in line with the Golden Rule, not when I've got a hub on Christian fraud because they don't follow it very well.
okay. Your belief that Women are gullible to religious belief is what was revealed by your keyboarding. I never alluded to that. I think women allow themselves to get the gist of things: ideas and topics of discussions... Men tend to go straight for the facts and details. Would you agree?
also. There are sayings in All Religions completely in line with Jesus' Golden Rule!
Did you know that?
Are you not for Any religion?
I didn't say that women are gullible to religious belief, I took your other comment to suggest that that was possible. I just find it an interesting topic.
I think there is a vast difference between "overthinking" a topic and going "straight for the facts and details". Indeed, the two are the antithesis of each other; if men go straight for the facts and details then they are definitely NOT overthinking, wasting their time examining their feelings and emotions for a "truth" that cannot be found subjectively.
Nearly all religions and philosophies contain the golden rule in one form or another. Confuciusism, Hinduism, Paganism, Wicca - all use different words, but the meaning is similar if not identical. It is as close to being a universally accepted moral is we have, but it isn't from Jesus; the Golden Rule far predates Christianity, and probably Judaism as well.
Did you know that?
(I realized my mistake at using the phrase "over-thinking" and took it out.)
Then why did you take offense at my reference to Jesus' quote? It was the first one that came to mind. You would rather I pull it from sources before Jesus? I don't know where those sources are. DO YOU?
No offense, just a small (failed) attempt at humor. Another recent thread discussed that rule and our thoughts on it and that, coupled with my hub, already brought it to mind.
At this minute, I don't recall where my sources were; they came about from researching the rule. I do recall that they were from quite a few different places, and often from the religious scripture as a quotation. Suppose I could look them back up, but not worth the effort as neither of us question that it is very widespread.
Dude, Yoga is like the most chill thing ever (excuse the inherent teenager-isms in that sentence). After a long workout, there is nothing more relaxing than deep stretching and breathing that cools me down. Plus, I'm not flexible at all naturally, and yoga has helped me become so much more flexible. It's a great exercise for your body.
...where'd the OP go?....lost in meditation....or some entity took over?
OP - have some faith in yourself....and turn on some rock and roll...just don't listen to the lyrics backwards.....................................................................
(Sometimes God's presence seems feminine to me, Brenda. I heard the words in my mind: (once while meditating with love on God)
" I care about you."
And this is something I can't prove...)
Sure God loves you!
Are you saying you heard those words in a feminine tone, or what?
At any rate, there's no Biblical reason to think that God is feminine.
And the term "Mother Nature" is simply a metaphorical description of nature; it doesn't mean that Nature is an actual Being.........
i CAN say that father time has a very harsh male tone in my ear,... whispering to me,... "your getting old B**ch!"..... so who knows right? ha!
Ah, now we're on the subject of "Father Time", eh? ha. Of course there is no such Being. But your post did remind me of the authoritarian ways of most Fathers! And it's a good thing! I remember that all my Dad had to do was pat his foot and chide us with his tone, not having to really even say a word, and we listened! And it wasn't because he was mean or rough or anything like that. It was actually that his loving and steady and firm treatment of us, and the example of the way he lived his life, commanded respect.
You are NOT getting old, you're getting better. You are saging, not aging. Time is nothing but a welcoming caress. Time is a friend, a teacher.
Whether God is male or female, it's metaphorical - doesn't mean it' s an actual being
If you think so, that's your issue, not mine.
God is real. He is the Creator. All of His creation is real, not metaphorical. We can look around us anytime and know that.
We? Speak for yourself. Then whatever you choose to believe can be respected.
My view of the world is valid for me. If we can honour the views of eah other it helps. Don't you agree?
I don't do "wishy-washy" nor ear-tickling on this subject.
Once a person finds the Truth, they should fix their minds on it. Otherwise, as "janesix" warned, there is room for false ideas to enter and detract from what's been learned. Playing with fire, indeed.
Brenda, in my opinion your attitude has no resemblance to the person whom you apparently hold up as your spiritual guide. Maybe you are hiding from your inner truth, and your blinkered view is intended to impress others of your standing with your god. Whichever way you want to view it you will find no coverts here. But certainly it gives us further understanding of human nature. How obstinate the mind can be.
My opinion is, of course, neither right nor wrong --- like me, it just is.
I agree, Jonny. and it is not wishy washy to me. It is thinking and contemplating. It is being internally alive. Fish have fins, humans have brains/minds.
In order to grow, one must be eternally inquisitive and to always question the religious status quo. After all, religions all man-made, tailored specifically for the respective cultural and societal times. Religions were not made in stone nor are they sacrosanct. Religious rules and doctrines are wholly dependent upon what particular person makes the rules and his modus operandi. Everyone knows that the Bible was written by MEN. Everyone also knows who has thoroughly studied history that the Bible has undergo many revisions. The Bible has been restructed according to the religious authorities of the time and to suit their power modus operandi. Also, I would like to add that God is totally beyond gender. GOD JUST IS.......... One can say that GOD is both MALE and FEMALE.
It is my understanding.... It makes sense to me... Gm, that "causal" God is both male and female, but He divided Himself with the event of creation. Thats why I keep yakking about this idea. And of course, that's all it really is: an idea.
just explainin' the basis of my viewpoint.
(It explains negative, positive, the basis of electricity, atoms...)
You said one thing right----God just IS. Was and is and will always be.
Everyone has free will to practice what they choose. If your a good loving person that's what matters. Judging others based on indoctrination and ignorance is sinful.
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Yes, I agree with what you have said -- up to a point.
This matter of free will is a most valuable facility we have. It needs to be protected, but not at the expense of intelligence and fair play. Maybe I should explain that a bit more.
Free will to choose a mate, within the context of cultural expectation. If you live in a society which has traditionally accepted "arranged" marriage by the family, then you might be willing to go along with it and sacrifice a bit of your free will.
Free to worship or not worship a higher entity, or god, without bullying from your family or neighbour.
Free to vote for the politician or political party of your choice....the secret ballot is the most precious tool in any successful democracy. NO ONE has a right to know who I voted for. This helps to keep the tyrants and dictators out.
Free to read any book and make your own judgement on what you read. You will need to educate your self on the background and the reasoning behind who ever wrote the book, if you want to arrive at what it really means.
I honour all the above and try to be consistent in my application of allowing freedom, because I want to claim such freedoms myself and must allow others the same choice.
The major problem I find with statements like that which prompts this discussion board, is with the narrow, adamant, stubborn mindset that takes on board one particular point of view, says that view is the only one which has credibility and then sets about promoting that narrow view to vulnerable minds.
Brenda and Janesix, and others like them, are every bit entitled to hold their respective views regarding god, salvation, Jesus, forgiveness, etc. The problem I find is when they arrive at an understanding that fits with their indoctrination; then they say "this is it, don't need to search or explore the world of possibilities any further," and close the door on any further knowledge. To even contemplate worshiping such a constricted god is out of the question for me. Yet their message is proselytized to others, even children, as being the moral code worth considering.
This is why I cannot turn away when the very nature of Yoga and Meditation is questioned by ignorant people.
Totally agree. Each person has to follow his/her own path in life and spiritual evolution. To tell another person what to BE and BELIEF is totally disrespectful to him/her and is infringing upon the former's right to his/her unique and particular spiritual path. It is also SELFISH of a person to dictate spiritually and/or ethically what another person should be because the former believes it to be.
Many people believe that THEIR particular religious and/or ethical path to be THE ONLY legitimate one. They routinely discount other people's spiritual and/or ethic paths because of their particular religious view. They strongly portend that others who elect not to believe as they do are "in extreme error" and "need to change their ways before it's 'too late'". People have the right to THEIR OWN spiritual and/or ethical perspectives. Besides, people who consistently proseytize others have some deep, deep issues. If others are happy with their particular spiritual or life path, DON'T be so SELFISH and IMMATURE to believe that it is ALL ABOUT YOUR SPIRITUAL PATH to the EXCLUSION of others. In other words, your particular spiritual path is NOT THE BE AND END ALL.
I really couldn't have said it better myself. I think we as humans need to find ways to come together not further separate ourselves from one another. Ignorance and judgments towards others shows your mentality. Then we wonder why we're living in chaotic destructive psychopathic society. Change starts with the "man in the mirror".
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000-couldn't have agreed with you more. This is an excellent final note to hopefully END this thread!
I totally agree. We cannot change the world until we change the way we see the world. We cannot change the way we see the world until we change the way we see ourselves
I also agree. So much negativity, I must always come back to my presumtion there must be some kind of ordered and intelligent design (-er) that gives rise to this awesome world. Call this entity God if you like. He/She/It could not in any way be worried about me, a tiny speck in this infinite universe, falling in love with another man; or indulging in that beautiful communication called Yoga.
Union with God... In Jonny's case, union with the the essence of Life.
With the center of your Being. Your pure Self. From this place (infinite, I.e. undefineable) you may view the world and your purpose within it without distortion. It is totally unselfish - it does not need to be, because from there it is possible to know the One-ness of all. It is The "I AM," of which Jesus spoke, so you see it is not anti-Christian.
If you have a question about anything I have said it is not necessary for us to argue. If you choose to do so, try meditation for yourself. Find a good and caring teacher to guide you. If some one wants payment for this service, just say no thanks and walk away. They are wanting you to purchase your own soul.
Through meditating you may find all the answers as they appertain to you specifc needs as they presnt to you at this moment in time. Every moment is pure and precious.
I was wondering how many of you do kechari? it sounds kind of uncomfortable to me. Do you cut your tongue to do it? I was just wondering,as so many of you are into the gentle excersize that is yoga. And how in the hell do you fit your tongue UP into your nasal passsage? Sounds painful to me. And maybe even impossible?
How many of you are into tantra? Just curious. Do you go to tantra classes?
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